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2012-11-08 11:52:32 AM
You know this is going to be a movie. Or, better, a new season of Newsroom.
 
2012-11-08 12:06:39 PM
I love that the first theory is "We should have talked more about Benghazi and Obamacare then we would have won"

Keep pushing your failed ideology scum suckers - the world has left you behind
 
2012-11-08 12:07:54 PM
but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare

but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare

but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare 
 
2012-11-08 12:17:04 PM

Tigger: I love that the first theory is "We should have talked more about Benghazi and Obamacare then we would have won"

Keep pushing your failed ideology scum suckers - the world has left you behind


There was a tactic Romney could have done that would have won him the election. He could have linked Obama to Bush's policies and he should have put more distance between his policies and Bush's.
 
2012-11-08 12:20:35 PM

Tigger: I love that the first theory is "We should have talked more about Benghazi and Obamacare then we would have won"

Keep pushing your failed ideology scum suckers - the world has left you behind



Came here to post that. It's funny that the think that would have got them *more* votes.
 
2012-11-08 12:21:03 PM
Jesus, those folks really don't get it.

Not addressing bengazhi wasn't the problem.

You didn't address the important issues to minorities and women. Worse, you took positions that those demographics OVERWHELMINGLY disapprove of on a whole array of issues.

It's as if these professional political operatives can't even read the exit poll results.
 
2012-11-08 12:31:28 PM
Who's going to play Mitt in the HBO movie?
 
2012-11-08 12:41:30 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Jesus, those folks really don't get it.

Not addressing bengazhi wasn't the problem.

You didn't address the important issues to minorities and women. Worse, you took positions that those demographics OVERWHELMINGLY disapprove of on a whole array of issues.

It's as if these professional political operatives can't even read the exit poll results.


Romney could have given absolutely no policy specifics and run on uniting Government and he would have won.
 
2012-11-08 01:13:42 PM

propasaurus: Who's going to play Mitt in the HBO movie?


I vote for Woody Harrelson
 
2012-11-08 01:17:09 PM

Lipo: propasaurus: Who's going to play Mitt in the HBO movie?

I vote for Woody Harrelson


George Clooney? You need someone fairly handsome. The Sham-wow guy can play Ryan.
 
2012-11-08 01:33:14 PM

mrshowrules: George Clooney? You need someone fairly handsome. The Sham-wow guy can play Ryan.


Tom Cruise

/one senior leader of a cult playing another senior leader of a cult
 
2012-11-08 01:34:41 PM
Is Benghazi a scandal yet?
 
2012-11-08 01:35:27 PM
did i miss the thread that had the picture of bottled neoconservative tears?
 
2012-11-08 01:35:48 PM
You really think you should have doubled-down on Benghazi? Good luck in 2016.
 
2012-11-08 01:36:33 PM

propasaurus: Who's going to play Mitt in the HBO movie?


He'd have to be CGI to get the full Romney "Uncanny Valley" effect.
 
2012-11-08 01:38:22 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: Is Benghazi a scandal yet?


It was, for about four minutes.
 
2012-11-08 01:39:05 PM

Tigger: I love that the first theory is "We should have talked more about Benghazi and Obamacare then we would have won"

Keep pushing your failed ideology scum suckers - the world has left you behind


They should have talked about rape more too. Can' get enough of that.
 
2012-11-08 01:40:08 PM

Wyalt Derp: You really think you should have doubled-down on Benghazi? Good luck in 2016.


They wanted to turn that into Obama's Operation eagle claw. 'something' could have been done to save those lives, but the GOP won't tell us anything about what 'something' is.
 
2012-11-08 01:40:19 PM

Therion: but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare

but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare

but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare 


I don't think it was possible for Fox News to talk anymore about Benghazi. They did their part.
 
2012-11-08 01:40:43 PM

Great_Milenko: Tigger: I love that the first theory is "We should have talked more about Benghazi and Obamacare then we would have won"

Keep pushing your failed ideology scum suckers - the world has left you behind

They should have talked about rape more too. Can' get enough of that.


And they really should have had Anne out more talking about how she and Mitt overcame the crushing poverty of their early marriage.
 
2012-11-08 01:40:46 PM
As long as it continues to be a peaceful transition/retention of power, everything else is trivial.
 
2012-11-08 01:40:55 PM
I'd like to reserve at least a small portion of the blame for "didn't show the tax returns."
 
2012-11-08 01:41:45 PM
"Please proceed, Governor..."

*A minute later*

*Loud laughing*

Good luck with that.
 
2012-11-08 01:42:20 PM

Insatiable Jesus: YoungSwedishBlonde: Is Benghazi a scandal yet?

It was, for about four minutes.


As long as they think they can use it to smear a Democratic president, they'll believe it's a scandal.
 
2012-11-08 01:42:43 PM
Was...

..Our candidate is a potentially-sociopathic, pathologically-lying, out-of-touch plutocrat and career politician who was only nominated as a compromise between the handful of moderates left in the party grasping for anyone who wouldn't send the undecided/moderate 8% screaming for Obama, and the ethically abhorrent, certifiably insane, religious fanatic assholes that make up the base of our party?

...Our party is being poisoned from within by its base, which are ethically abhorrent, certifiably insane, religious fanatic assholes who serve approximately one purpose, and that is to handily deliver the moderates and undecideds into our opposition's camp each and every election, and to serve as a liberal get-out-the-vote drive by merit of its very existence?

...Our party's ethically abhorrent, certifiably insane, religiously fanatic platform celebtrates nativism and white/male/wealthy privilege, and openly pines for a day in which anyone but rich white men were second-class citizens, and anyone else were actively denied civil rights and liberties as a matter of self-perpetuation?

...And not even our methods and strategies are working out for us any more, and even backfiring. Transposed onto a national platform, the Southern strategy has demonstrated to be naught but a patronizing system of oppression in its own right that is driving turnout against the Republican party, as is vote suppression and disenfranchisement efforts pitching anger and driving turnout.

...on the list? I'm not holding my breath.
 
2012-11-08 01:42:59 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: propasaurus: Who's going to play Mitt in the HBO movie?

He'd have to be CGI to get the full Romney "Uncanny Valley" effect.


How about Brent Spiner?
 
2012-11-08 01:43:13 PM
I still have the capacity to be surprised. They lumped Chris Christy, who was concerned about the citizens of NJ, in with Todd Pro-Rape Aiken.
 
2012-11-08 01:44:20 PM
Romney adviser to Mitt Romney

Annnd... that's where I stopped reading.
 
2012-11-08 01:44:48 PM
Movie version of Mitt: barry bostwick or ted danson
 
2012-11-08 01:45:31 PM
FTFA:

...but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare," the adviser tells National Review's Robert Costa. "Those are major issues and Romney rarely mentioned them in the final days."

Yeah. Right. That was your problem.

/moar benghazi
 
2012-11-08 01:45:47 PM
"We should have talked more about Benghazi" - Gingrich/Rubio 2016 advisers trying to come up with reasons for their loss to Hillary Clinton
 
2012-11-08 01:45:48 PM
I, for one, would have totally voted straight ticket Republican if only they had been more right wing. Way too liberal for my tastes. You guys can do better. Let's blow it out in 2016. Do it, you pussies.
 
2012-11-08 01:46:10 PM

mrshowrules: Tigger: I love that the first theory is "We should have talked more about Benghazi and Obamacare then we would have won"

Keep pushing your failed ideology scum suckers - the world has left you behind

There was a tactic Romney could have done that would have won him the election. He could have linked Obama to Bush's policies and he should have put more distance between his policies and Bush's.


He could also have tried not being a raging assclown.
 
2012-11-08 01:47:10 PM
FTA: "Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock, and Chris Christie undermined the Republican message."

The 2 unforced errors - I get that. Romney could still have told both that their comments showed a shocking disconnect from their constituents (also a shocking lack of tact, knowledge of science, pluralistic thinking, ability to govern from anything other than Jesus' back pocket...but this is a Republican. The 11th Commandment plus "Jesus elects me, this I know").

But a governor telling everyone that the response and recovery are more important than politics? THAT SHOULD BE THE REPUBLICAN MESSAGE ANYWAY, jackholes.
 
2012-11-08 01:48:34 PM

blacknite: did i miss the thread that had the picture of bottled neoconservative tears?


One does not simply bottle neoconservative tears any more.

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Though, the USGS has also issued a warning to would-be hikers, campers, and residents near Bullshiat Mountain:

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Bobby Jindal not available for comment.
 
rka
2012-11-08 01:49:05 PM

Carn: He could also have tried not being a raging assclown.


Doesn't matter, when you associate yourself with other assclowns simply by being in the party of assclowns then people tend to think of you as an assclown.
 
2012-11-08 01:49:13 PM
After years of campaigning and billions of dollars, they think they lost because a Governor in Jersey praised Obama? Their message must have been really special if that is the thing that killed it for them.
 
2012-11-08 01:49:37 PM

propasaurus: Who's going to play Mitt in the HBO movie?


Well, I hear Mitt is currently unemployed...
 
2012-11-08 01:50:22 PM
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie "went out of his way to embrace the president during the final week of the campaign... It wasn't necessary and it hurt us. Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock, and Chris Christie undermined the Republican message."

This little gem from the post election Romney campaign is ALL you need to know about Republican view of "bi-partisan cooperation".

Yes, Chris Christie undermined the Republican message Democrats aren't bi-partisan by actually working with a Democrat in the bi-partisan way when the needs of the people demanded it.
 
2012-11-08 01:51:50 PM
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2012-11-08 01:52:37 PM
The Republican Party has won the popular vote in one of the last six Presidential elections.

The problem is not with minor tactical decisions by the campaign. The problem is with their message and brand.
 
2012-11-08 01:53:15 PM

Renowned transvestite sexologist: New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie "went out of his way to embrace the president during the final week of the campaign... It wasn't necessary and it hurt us. Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock, and Chris Christie undermined the Republican message."

This little gem from the post election Romney campaign is ALL you need to know about Republican view of "bi-partisan cooperation".

Yes, Chris Christie undermined the Republican message Democrats aren't bi-partisan by actually working with a Democrat in the bi-partisan way when the needs of the people demanded it.


Of course. Christie committed the unforgivable sin: he put the needs of his state before the needs of his party.
 
2012-11-08 01:55:57 PM
Must be tough being a professional victim.
 
2012-11-08 01:57:56 PM
The world is changing and if you are hesitant to change you get left behind. The GOP shouldn't focus on outdated social issues. And they should put more stock into reality rather than paranoid theories and what they want reality to be. Tempter tantrums, threats, and wanting America to fail if you don't get your way also does not go over well with most people.
 
2012-11-08 01:59:41 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: The problem is with their message and brand.


Well, sort of. They tailored their message and brand to catch the southern racists, and it's doing that just fine. The problem is that the southern racists haven't been able to sell racism as effectively to their children in a world with instantaneous global communication. Meanwhile, they grow old and die, and their children aren't quite as motivated to keep the n*****rs at the back of the bus.
 
2012-11-08 02:01:38 PM
One Republican gets it. The question is whether any others will.

"If I hear anybody say it was because Romney wasn't conservative enough, I'm going to go nuts. We're not losing 95 percent of African-Americans and two-thirds of Hispanics and voters under 30 because we're not being hard-ass enough."
 
2012-11-08 02:02:26 PM
...but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare

Maybe the campaign lost because of these idiot advisors.

1. There was no scandal with Benghazi, and the Romney eventually got schooled on national TV during a debate trying to make it one.

2. All the polling showed that the only voters who really hated Obamacare were the GOP base. While nobody was enthusiastic about it, the hatred the GOP thought was there didn't exist outside of the echo-chamber.

As the exit polling showed, voters thought Romney would do a better job with the economy, but ultimately didn't trust him because he was viewed as an out of touch plutocrat.
 
2012-11-08 02:08:39 PM

Lou Brown: One Republican gets it. The question is whether any others will.

"If I hear anybody say it was because Romney wasn't conservative enough, I'm going to go nuts. We're not losing 95 percent of African-Americans and two-thirds of Hispanics and voters under 30 because we're not being hard-ass enough."


I have no doubt that the GOP solution will be to put a Latino on the ticket in 2016. Gov. Susana Martinez seems highly likely to be the VP nominee.
 
2012-11-08 02:08:42 PM

qorkfiend: Of course. Christie committed the unforgivable sin: he put the needs of his state before the needs of his party.


The slogan was always "party before country", not "party before state". :P

But yeah, Christie realized that he had immediate issues to deal with, and pissing in the eye of the person who can help you is never a wise decision. Fallout from pissing off the GOP establishment is something he can deal with later.
 
2012-11-08 02:09:51 PM

Insatiable Jesus: YoungSwedishBlonde: Is Benghazi a scandal yet?

It was, for about four minutes.


It was until they found out the people who were complaining the loudest about the lack of defense, where the people in congress who cut the budget massively for that year saying it was a waste of money.
 
2012-11-08 02:12:09 PM

thornhill: I have no doubt that the GOP solution will be to put a Latino on the ticket in 2016. Gov. Susana Martinez seems highly likely to be the VP nominee.


Which will most likely fail for the same reason that having Palin as the VP picked failed: being corrupt, crazy and/or incompetent outweighs them being the same race or gender as the voters you're attempting to pander to.
 
2012-11-08 02:13:33 PM
What's this "media blackout on Benghazi" I keep hearing about?
 
2012-11-08 02:14:02 PM

Therion: but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare

but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare

but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare


As it stands, they wouldn't shut the fark up about those. Not sure how they could have talked about them "more".
 
2012-11-08 02:16:53 PM
According to the National Review's source, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie "went out of his way to embrace the president during the final week of the campaign... It wasn't necessary and it hurt us.

Fark you, you self absorbed asshole. It wasn't supposed to be political, a major storm hit, and FEMA responded far faster and more effectively then under the last President. Said president was also in the storm ravaged areas immediately, which wasn't true for his predecessor. Thanking the nation's leader for acting like leader is COMPLETELY fine, and only assholes like this "unnamed source" are too stuck on themselves to realize this.
 
2012-11-08 02:17:25 PM
It would seem the republican party as a whole doesn't honestly think they need to change any of their views. I keep seeing them on the news saying, "Our views aren't the problem, conservative values are something everyone can get behind, we just didn't get the message out well enough." I want to be outraged by their stupidity, but if they keep it up they'll probably lose elections at ever increasing frequencies. So I guess I'm fine with it.
 
2012-11-08 02:18:30 PM
The bottom line is that the GOP thinks that Americans are a hell of a lot dumber than they actually are.
 
rka
2012-11-08 02:23:43 PM

AutumnWind: The GOP shouldn't focus on outdated social issues


What else do they have?

National Security? No. None buys that anymore and sabre rattling has gotten old.
Economy? Hah. They couldn't balance the budget on a teeter-totter that stretched to the moon.

The Republican (sane) platforms have been co-opted by the Democrats as they moved to the center. All the Republicans have left is outdated social issues. Barry Goldwater would be a Democrat today.
 
2012-11-08 02:24:53 PM

thornhill: I have no doubt that the GOP solution will be to put a Latino on the ticket in 2016.


"Hey, let's put a woman on the ticket. That will prove that we like women!"

"Hey, let's put a latino on the ticket. That will prove that we like latinos!"

Another friendly suggestion: Good policy stances towards women / latinos are a hell of a lot more meaningful than finding token figures that will overlook your horrible stances towards women / latinos.
 
2012-11-08 02:36:51 PM

gingerjet: mrshowrules: George Clooney? You need someone fairly handsome. The Sham-wow guy can play Ryan.

Tom Cruise

/one senior leader of a cult playing another senior leader of a cult


No, this is the role that Barry Bostwick was born to play. Hell, a young Mitt Romney even looks eerily like Brad Majors
 
2012-11-08 02:38:13 PM
Their MESSAGE was undermined by people understanding their INTENTIONS.
 
2012-11-08 02:39:16 PM
It was the Republican's election to lose, and lose it they did. Obama should have been an easy mark considering the state of the economy, and they managed to turn a slam-dunk into a brutal beating. Had they stuck to issues like the economy, healthcare, the budget, etc., Mitt would probably be the president in a few months. They just... couldn't... HELP themselves though. They had to blurt out stupidity about rape, birth control, minorities, etc. It was a goddamn cavalcade of gaffes about issues that Republicans, by and large, do have popular views on. All they really needed to do to win was to give us a few solid candidates - people who were strong on economic issues without focusing so hard on social issues. Had they given us that, it would have been a clean sweep for the R's. Instead we got a Mormon plutocrat and Rapin' Todd Akin. If the Republicans want to know who to blame, they need to look in the mirror. Don't blame Sandy, the "liberal media", voter fraud, etc. They had this in the bag, and they blew it. Plain and simple.
 
2012-11-08 02:39:17 PM

Magorn: gingerjet: mrshowrules: George Clooney? You need someone fairly handsome. The Sham-wow guy can play Ryan.

Tom Cruise

/one senior leader of a cult playing another senior leader of a cult

No, this is the role that Barry Bostwick was born to play. Hell, a young Mitt Romney even looks eerily like Brad Majors


And everyone can enjoy yelling ASSHOLE! at the screen.
 
2012-11-08 02:41:51 PM

mod3072: It was the Republican's election to lose, and lose it they did. Obama should have been an easy mark considering the state of the economy, and they managed to turn a slam-dunk into a brutal beating. Had they stuck to issues like the economy, healthcare, the budget, etc., Mitt would probably be the president in a few months. They just... couldn't... HELP themselves though. They had to blurt out stupidity about rape, birth control, minorities, etc. It was a goddamn cavalcade of gaffes about issues that Republicans, by and large, do have popular views on. All they really needed to do to win was to give us a few solid candidates - people who were strong on economic issues without focusing so hard on social issues. Had they given us that, it would have been a clean sweep for the R's. Instead we got a Mormon plutocrat and Rapin' Todd Akin. If the Republicans want to know who to blame, they need to look in the mirror. Don't blame Sandy, the "liberal media", voter fraud, etc. They had this in the bag, and they blew it. Plain and simple.


That's what they get for not distinguishing between politics and religion/morality.
 
2012-11-08 02:42:02 PM
I heard a guy call in to an NPR show last night about the election. He said something like 'what can we do to get those people into the Republican Party? It's not like our message of small government works with them. '

That's your problem right there. First off, maybe stop thinking about them as "those people." And the underlying sentiment in how you phrased it recalls Mitt's "47%" comment. You STILL think 'those people' just want more government handouts.
 
2012-11-08 02:53:00 PM

propasaurus: Who's going to play Mitt in the HBO movie?


Joe Isuzu.
 
2012-11-08 02:53:04 PM
FTA: One anonymous Romney adviser to Mitt Romney blames not the issues, but the selling of them.

Ignoring the incredibly stupid idea that it wasn't Mitt Romney's positions, but instead how he sold them, for a moment...that is some pisspoor writing right there.
 
2012-11-08 03:00:48 PM
It'll never happen but the obvious choice to play Mittens is...

3.bp.blogspot.com

Mr. Bruce Campbell.
 
2012-11-08 03:05:43 PM

propasaurus: I heard a guy call in to an NPR show last night about the election. He said something like 'what can we do to get those people into the Republican Party? It's not like our message of small government works with them. '

That's your problem right there. First off, maybe stop thinking about them as "those people." And the underlying sentiment in how you phrased it recalls Mitt's "47%" comment. You STILL think 'those people' just want more government handouts.


I'f you've spent the last 20 years throwing people out of your tent, don't act surprised when you're the only one left. I'm a republican and I'm fairly ashamed at how they've behaved lately
 
2012-11-08 03:08:28 PM

propasaurus: Who's going to play Mitt in the HBO movie?


I really hope they make one. Game Change was a good watch. Julianne Moore was fantastic.
 
2012-11-08 03:16:59 PM
Wow. Its amazing these rubes were able to manage getting almost half the country to vote for them.
 
2012-11-08 03:22:04 PM

un4gvn666: FTA: One anonymous Romney adviser to Mitt Romney blames not the issues, but the selling of them.

Ignoring the incredibly stupid idea that it wasn't Mitt Romney's positions, but instead how he sold them, for a moment...that is some pisspoor writing right there.


Mitt Romney held positions? On issues? Why wasn't I informed of this earlier?
 
2012-11-08 03:52:23 PM

propasaurus: Who's going to play Mitt in the HBO movie?


John Travolta. Book it. Done.
 
2012-11-08 04:46:06 PM

shabu: propasaurus: Who's going to play Mitt in the HBO movie?

John Travolta. Book it. Done.


Nah, he already played Clinton.
 
2012-11-08 04:52:13 PM

Neeek: Mitt Romney held positions? On issues? Why wasn't I informed of this earlier?


Are you kidding? He held ALL of the positions on ALL of the issues.
 
2012-11-08 04:53:21 PM

Therion: but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare

but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare

but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare



I don't think it would have been possible to talk about it more.
 
2012-11-08 05:36:47 PM
I'm not a supporter of Chris Christie, but mentioning him in the same breath as Mourdock and Akin is pretty terrible.

good luck unseating him in the primary, tea-tards.
 
2012-11-08 05:44:23 PM

mrshowrules: Tigger: I love that the first theory is "We should have talked more about Benghazi and Obamacare then we would have won"

Keep pushing your failed ideology scum suckers - the world has left you behind

There was a tactic Romney could have done that would have won him the election. He could have linked Obama to Bush's policies and he should have put more distance between his policies and Bush's.


That's sheer genius. You should be a political adviser.
 
2012-11-08 05:46:54 PM

dumbobruni: I'm not a supporter of Chris Christie, but mentioning him in the same breath as Mourdock and Akin is pretty terrible.

good luck unseating him in the primary, tea-tards.


Chris Christie is a pragmatist, and as such he'll have a hard time getting the nomination. Which is a shame, because I'd probably vote for the guy, and I haven't voted for a Republican president since 1972.
 
2012-11-08 06:04:59 PM

mod3072: Had they stuck to issues like the economy, healthcare, the budget, etc., Mitt would probably be the president in a few months.


I disagree. While the comments about rape were fairly polarizing, there was enough fodder regarding the budget, economy and healthcare that the Democrats could have stuck back.
 
2012-11-08 08:59:38 PM

propasaurus: I heard a guy call in to an NPR show last night about the election. He said something like 'what can we do to get those people into the Republican Party? It's not like our message of small government works with them. '

That's your problem right there. First off, maybe stop thinking about them as "those people." And the underlying sentiment in how you phrased it recalls Mitt's "47%" comment. You STILL think 'those people' just want more government handouts.



I just had an argument with my Aunt on facebook. She started it off by biatching about "4 more years of people on food stamps stealing my money". I pointed her to the many sources of available information that shows that food stamps are one of the most successful and efficient programs in the country, scientific studies, etc. She dismissed it all by saying "you're wrong, that's not what I see". So then I got into a long and lengthy dissertation about how anecdotal evidence is not actual evidence of anything and so on. I admit I wrote too much, but all of it was fact-based, which she summarily rejected.

A bunch of back-and-forths later, I suddenly realised that she was actually just assuming that every single black person she sees is on food stamps, and therefore anything they own is proof that they're stealing from her.

I suddenly wish I had never even bothered to begin what I thought was going to be a reasoned debate. This is going to make the holidays so much more awkward. All of my uncles came to her defense.
 
2012-11-09 11:12:36 AM

MithrandirBooga: I suddenly wish I had never even bothered to begin what I thought was going to be a reasoned debate. This is going to make the holidays so much more awkward. All of my uncles came to her defense.


You should have just said, "your beliefs are stupid and wrong and they aren't based on anything but your gut instincts. And you'll be dead some day, and there won't be anyone to take up your dumb beliefs. So I'll win."
 
2012-11-09 03:51:35 PM
MithrandirBooga:
I suddenly wish I had never even bothered to begin what I thought was going to be a reasoned debate. This is going to make the holidays so much more awkward. All of my uncles came to her defense.


I grok. I have family who I love more than I hate their opinions, but that doesn't reduce the bile I feel listening to them. I sometimes imagine I've been visited by Lilliputians, and they are merely expanding on the egg breaking issue in a different way. It adds a certain sense of whimsey and makes everything a bit more endurable.

The hard core conservatives who biatch about welfare queens and Adam and Steve and secret muslims do seem to come from a different world. I try to take joy that I don't live on their planet, but they have to live on Blefuscu.
 
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