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2012-11-09 01:33:15 AM
guy above me must have the filthiest desk in history.. the sensor is UNDER the mouse, how do you routinely get cheetoh-dust under there at all??
 
2012-11-09 02:15:48 AM

gaspode: I have a naga and have never had the slightest problem with it in any way, in spite of a long period of highly unreliable internet access some while ago.

In this case you got your new mouse and it works apart from the software driven configurable parts. Also people do NOT buy such equipment primarily for the extra buttons, they buy them for the precision performance and build quality.

Sure its definitely an error on their part to require connection once in the synaps software, and they should change it, but it is an error that almost noone will ever notice. You dont buy fancy gaming mice when you dont have an internet connection at all.


Nah, they buy them because they look "cool" and are for "pro gamers." Hype, baby, hype.

That said, I've got a Razer Copperhead that came with my laptop. It has been working for over three years now. I still have one of those old Microsoft optical mouse that everyone seemed to use years ago and that works perfectly fine as well, so perhaps I'm just easy on mice.
 
2012-11-09 02:41:13 AM

steamingpile: Razer products suck, the mouse I got constantly double clicks even if I just click once, bastards.


Bend the spring under the button.
 
2012-11-09 03:46:00 AM

Fano: Fark_Guy_Rob: StrangeQ: Fark_Guy_Rob: StrangeQ: Any company that creates a piece of hardware or software that is required to phone home before it becomes functional can go fark themselves. I have already purchased the product; there is absolutely no reason why I should have to jump through any further hoops to receive permission to use it. Maybe I bought it with the intention of using it in an embedded system that will never see any sort of network connectivity; what am I supposed to do then? Companies keep pulling this bullshiat, and they they have the audacity to wonder why piracy exists.

You can take it out of the box, plug it in, and it will work.
No internet required.

If by work you mean will have the same functionality of a $2 mouse from Staples, then yes. If you want to use the full gamut of programmable options you have to register, at least initially. It doesn't matter that you can use it offline after that; that one time is one time too many. It is another example of companies making consumers dance like good little puppets and consumers being too blinded by their all encompassing drive to consume to care. I don't mind dancing, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let someone tie a piece of string to my arms and legs and make me do it.

I will personally send you a check for $1,000 USD if you can link me a $2 dollar mouse from Staples that has the same functionality as an out-of-the-box Razor Naga.

I'll wait. Please post link.

You mean the article we are commenting on?


No - I mean a link to where a can buy a $2 mouse that has the same number of buttons and switches found on a Razor Naga. Such that, even without installing Razor's Synapse crap - I can get the equivalent for $2. Since people are claiming that without an internet connection a $2 mouse from Staples is all they are getting from a Razor Naga.
 
2012-11-09 03:50:24 AM

steamingpile: Fark_Guy_Rob: I will personally send you a check for $1,000 USD if you can link me a $2 dollar mouse from Staples that has the same functionality as an out-of-the-box Razor Naga.

I'll wait. Please post link.

Considering I have the Razor Naga and its a piece of shiat, I will take that check.

The farking POS will freeze up on me, will double click all the time when I single click, its a farking magnet for dust in the sensor and refuses to work until I get out eyeglass cloth to clean it for 10 minutes only to have to do all of that over again in less than a month. I had an old logitech wireless that I was going to give to my niece but kept it since this one keeps farking up every few days, you would think for something that was close to $100 it would work a lot better than my $45 logitech but no it doesnt, hell my $15 wireless mouse I use for my work laptop has filled in for it before when my laptop bag was close to me and I got tired of farking with the razor. I will never buy another POS razor peripheral again, working is better than any bells and whistles a device may have.

So will that be check or money order?


You haven't posted any link.
Your link doesn't include a product sold at Staples
Your link doesn't let me purchase a product for $2

You've failed completely.

You mention a $45 mouse and a $15 wireless mouse. Does your $15 wireless include the same number of buttons as the Razor or the toggle switch on the bottom to change the input mode? Keep in mind, that even if you answer 'Yes' $15 is like EIGHT TIMES MORE than the $2 claim.
 
2012-11-09 03:54:03 AM

selrah: 1 cent with free shipping on ebay......


That mouse isn't sold at Staples.
That mouse is used (Staples sells new products)
That mouse doesn't provide the same features as an out-of-the-box, without Synapse, Razor Naga. The Naga has many times more buttons, for starters.
 
2012-11-09 04:01:13 AM

Cyno01: Fark_Guy_Rob: StrangeQ: Fark_Guy_Rob: StrangeQ: Any company that creates a piece of hardware or software that is required to phone home before it becomes functional can go fark themselves. I have already purchased the product; there is absolutely no reason why I should have to jump through any further hoops to receive permission to use it. Maybe I bought it with the intention of using it in an embedded system that will never see any sort of network connectivity; what am I supposed to do then? Companies keep pulling this bullshiat, and they they have the audacity to wonder why piracy exists.

You can take it out of the box, plug it in, and it will work.
No internet required.

If by work you mean will have the same functionality of a $2 mouse from Staples, then yes. If you want to use the full gamut of programmable options you have to register, at least initially. It doesn't matter that you can use it offline after that; that one time is one time too many. It is another example of companies making consumers dance like good little puppets and consumers being too blinded by their all encompassing drive to consume to care. I don't mind dancing, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let someone tie a piece of string to my arms and legs and make me do it.

I will personally send you a check for $1,000 USD if you can link me a $2 dollar mouse from Staples that has the same functionality as an out-of-the-box Razor Naga.

I'll wait. Please post link.

FTFA...

"Finally call Razer who tells me the activation server is down, and I wont be able to use the mouse until it goes back up and will only be able to use it as a standard plug and play mouse til then. I ask about a workaround to use the mouse offline and they say there is none."

So yes, without connecting to their activation server you get a mouse that; moves your pointer; has right, left, and middle click; and scrolls vertically at least. And thats it. The cheapest mouse at staples is $7.99 and does all that. Cheapest ...


$7.99 is still FOUR TIMES greater than the claimed $2. If I told you I could bench 800 pounds, but could only bench 200 pounds - you'd call me a lair.

Second the $7.99 mouse from Staples has THREE buttons. A Naga is going to have SEVENTEEN.

17 > 3
The Naga is BOTH wired and wireless. The mouse from Staples is not.
The Naga's size can be adjusted by swapping in or out plastic pieces that they include so it can better fit your hand. The mouse from Staples cannot.
The Naga has 2x the polling speed
The Naga has 'super cool' LEDs that let you know it's for gamers.

That's just the out-of-the-box functionality you'd get with one of the Nagas. Comparing it to a $2 mouse from Staples is ridiculous.
 
2012-11-09 07:22:48 AM

Arkanaut: ForgotMyTowel: Actually, it sounds like that might be the exact opposite case. Sounds like they put your configuration and profile online so if you were to take it to a different computer (or have to reinstall the software/OS) you wouldn't have to redo your settings. Not a bad idea if you have a particularly complicated set up.

Why not just have a chip in the damn mouse that saves those settings?


Razer mice DO have a chip that saves settings. The problem is it's limited in what it can save and it's slow as shiat. And by slow, I mean it takes 20 seconds to load the settings from the mouse when you go to modify them via the software because it has to read them from the mouse. This alleviates this problem, plus it will reduce manufacturing costs.

Now, for the record, I'm generally against gimmicky "gaming" mice anyway. In all my years of owning gaming mice (Logitech, Microsoft, Razer) I've never used the software after initial setup. Never changed my DPI settings on the fly. It's just never been useful to me.

The only reason I have a Razer is because I use the middle button for move backward and they are the only ones who seem to be able to design a middle mouse button that doesn't suck balls.

/Razer Mamba
//Good mouse, but the battery life sucks balls.
 
2012-11-09 08:17:56 AM
atlumschema.com
 
2012-11-09 09:10:31 AM
Wow, i just witnessed a white knight use the argumentum ad asbergo over the number of buttons a mouse has
 
2012-11-09 09:50:45 AM
I agree with burr, i hate the cloud. whether you need to do that only once or not, i still despise that approach to software. Login, create yet another "account". hand out your info to more people. makes me want to give up computers completely.
 
2012-11-09 10:50:56 AM
As a software engineer, I take offense when people deliberately think we're trying to screw them. If someone told me to develop software for a mouse that wouldn't work if the user wasn't online, I'd laugh at them. It's obviously cloud software that just syncs some user settings to the existing computer.

If you want to complain about the cloud, then you're a dingus. It is the logical first step in creating software and content that travels with you from one device to another. Whoever says they want a physical copy is also a dingus, because they also are content in complaining that it's just a license and doesn't guarantee them another copy if the physical copy breaks. The best way to proceed in this case, is probably for the OS to have some sort of cloud based region that the software would take advantage of. That way, you don't need an account just for your mouse and keyboard, but rather one for all software on the system. Windows 8 is already doing this kind of thing with windows 8 apps.
 
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2012-11-09 12:41:26 PM

evilboyevil: If you want to complain about the cloud, then you're a dingus.


If you think everyone always has internet or the server is always up, you're a freaking moron.

/software engineer
//since before internet was popular
///knows how to make stuff fail gracefully in absence of net
//Failing gracefully for a mouse is *NOT* losing any functionality. Lose settings? Sure. Lose functionality? Fark no.
 
2012-11-09 01:19:14 PM
I made the mistake of buying a razer death adder... I sorely miss my Logitech mx-518, that mouse and its later versions are so awesome... the death adder is light and cheap feeling, it flies all over the place because I have giant hands that tend to push just a little to hard. Going back to logitech as soon as I can afford to.
 
2012-11-09 03:25:19 PM

Toy_Cop: I made the mistake of buying a razer death adder... I sorely miss my Logitech mx-518, that mouse and its later versions are so awesome... the death adder is light and cheap feeling, it flies all over the place because I have giant hands that tend to push just a little to hard. Going back to logitech as soon as I can afford to.


I went from an MX518 to a G500, very happy with it.
 
2012-11-09 04:08:41 PM

evilboyevil: As a software engineer, I take offense


well THAT's hardly a surprise. You guys are retarded.
 
2012-11-09 04:19:34 PM

fluffy2097: evilboyevil: As a software engineer, I take offense

well THAT's hardly a surprise. You guys are retarded.


That's a little harsh. Not much, but a little.
 
2012-11-09 05:13:08 PM

Need a Dispenser Here:

Nah, they buy them because they look "cool" and are for "pro gamers." Hype, baby, hype.

Oh the cool look stuff is a big factor. No question. But decent gaming mice are much more precise (faster read rates) and heavier than conventional desktop mice. For me I buy for the weight primarily, and the extra buttons are useful to me.

Keyboards are a whole different issue.. a cheap keyboard is an ABOMINATION UNTO NUGGAN. Also light up keys are a hug boon to an old ex-student used to working/playing all night in dark rooms.
 
2012-11-09 07:23:15 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: steamingpile: Fark_Guy_Rob: I will personally send you a check for $1,000 USD if you can link me a $2 dollar mouse from Staples that has the same functionality as an out-of-the-box Razor Naga.

I'll wait. Please post link.

Considering I have the Razor Naga and its a piece of shiat, I will take that check.

The farking POS will freeze up on me, will double click all the time when I single click, its a farking magnet for dust in the sensor and refuses to work until I get out eyeglass cloth to clean it for 10 minutes only to have to do all of that over again in less than a month. I had an old logitech wireless that I was going to give to my niece but kept it since this one keeps farking up every few days, you would think for something that was close to $100 it would work a lot better than my $45 logitech but no it doesnt, hell my $15 wireless mouse I use for my work laptop has filled in for it before when my laptop bag was close to me and I got tired of farking with the razor. I will never buy another POS razor peripheral again, working is better than any bells and whistles a device may have.

So will that be check or money order?

You haven't posted any link.
Your link doesn't include a product sold at Staples
Your link doesn't let me purchase a product for $2

You've failed completely.

You mention a $45 mouse and a $15 wireless mouse. Does your $15 wireless include the same number of buttons as the Razor or the toggle switch on the bottom to change the input mode? Keep in mind, that even if you answer 'Yes' $15 is like EIGHT TIMES MORE than the $2 claim.


Razor products suck, they are over priced, and over hyped. F*ck them I wont buy anything that has razor product name again, save your money and just buy logitech.

I didnt fail, Razor failed when trying to make a decent mouse.
 
2012-11-10 08:56:49 AM

simplicimus: fluffy2097: evilboyevil: As a software engineer, I take offense

well THAT's hardly a surprise. You guys are retarded.

That's a little harsh. Not much, but a little.



Ok ok.. THAT software engineer is retarded. The best ones are merely autistic, and bad ones that are neurotypical. ;)

The truth is this whole fiasco could have been avoided by adding a "skip" button to the cloud signup/login page.

The ONLY thing cloud access gives you as a feature in these mice, is the ability to upload your settings to the internet, so they can easily be retrieved later in the event of hardware failure.

This is actually pretty clever. If you store your settings only in the mouse and you have to replace it, you lose all your settings. If you store all your settings on the local machine, you lose all your settings if the hard drive explodes. With the cloud, you can have the active profile stored on the mouse, cached profiles on the hard drive for offline access, and the whole mess can be thrown up on the cloud in case everything goes tits up.

Unfortunately, Razer implemented this brilliant idea with all the finesse and grace of a man with Cerebral Palsy. Because their mice have 15 buttons, multiple game profiles, the ability to program whole macros including keystrokes to single buttons, bind keystrokes to mouse buttons and change DPI on the fly; the mice REQUIRE Razer's specialized drivers to enable full functionality of all these things. Otherwise you've just got a normal mouse with more buttons then you can really use.

Because there is a local cache of all the profiles created by the user, there is no actual need for the cloud at all. They actually advertise this as a selling point. Razer's drivers work offline just fine, but there is a catch. To install them you MUST create a cloud account, and it MUST connect to the cloud server for you to install the drivers. Why? I don't know.

There is simply no need for this to be this way. No reason at all. It's mindbogglingly stupid and I cannot possibly imagine how nobody at Razer saw how monumentally stupid of a design choice this is.

This entire PR fiasco could have been completely avoided if they had had the goddamn common sense to put an "I would like to skip cloud account setup right now. Please remind me about how cool it is later." button on the installer.

/software engineers
//They might be brilliant but they are still farking idiots.
 
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