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(Talking Points Memo)   I don't know which is stranger, that young people came out for Obama once more, or that this is the second election in a row in recent memory that young people were actually decisive   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 158
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2012-11-08 07:39:22 AM
I guess those Occupy Wall Street mofos knew exactly where the real blame lied.
 
2012-11-08 08:49:50 AM

gopher321: I guess those Occupy Wall Street mofos knew exactly where the real blame lied.


And a lot of us worked with campus organizations to register and drive people to the polls. I live in a deeply red, rural part of Texas, and the looks on the volunteer's faces when cars full of teen/early 20's voters came in was pretty priceless.

/bonus: the majority of them were black or female
//not by our design
///guess people get offended when you shiat all over them for your campaign platform
 
2012-11-08 08:51:40 AM

Coolfusis: gopher321: I guess those Occupy Wall Street mofos knew exactly where the real blame lied.

And a lot of us worked with campus organizations to register and drive people to the polls. I live in a deeply red, rural part of Texas, and the looks on the volunteer's faces when cars full of teen/early 20's voters came in was pretty priceless.

/bonus: the majority of them were black or female
//not by our design
///guess people get offended when you shiat all over them for your campaign platform


Exactly. What those folks saw was just a microcosm of the demographic wave that is already up to their waists. they're just too busy listening to Rush and Boortz to notice that the water keeps rising.
 
2012-11-08 08:55:06 AM
We're coming for you, old people.

Be afraid.
 
2012-11-08 08:58:16 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Coolfusis: gopher321: I guess those Occupy Wall Street mofos knew exactly where the real blame lied.

And a lot of us worked with campus organizations to register and drive people to the polls. I live in a deeply red, rural part of Texas, and the looks on the volunteer's faces when cars full of teen/early 20's voters came in was pretty priceless.

/bonus: the majority of them were black or female
//not by our design
///guess people get offended when you shiat all over them for your campaign platform

Exactly. What those folks saw was just a microcosm of the demographic wave that is already up to their waists. they're just too busy listening to Rush and Boortz to notice that the water keeps rising.


We didn't even come close to swinging the county, 15% O or something. It was enough to get people's attention, though.
 
2012-11-08 08:58:19 AM
Those young folks are too old for this shiat, is what it boils down to.
 
2012-11-08 09:06:59 AM
The times, they are a'changing. I for one welcome our new socially progressive overlords.
 
2012-11-08 09:10:18 AM
Congrats democrats. You're starting to tap a previously untapped resource.

Don't blow it.
Nominate someone in 2016 who can also tap this resource.
 
2012-11-08 09:15:44 AM

SilentStrider: Congrats democrats. You're starting to tap a previously untapped resource.

Don't blow it.
Nominate someone in 2016 who can also tap this resource.


Who, exactly?

/Huntsman 2016!
 
2012-11-08 09:17:20 AM

Coolfusis: gopher321: I guess those Occupy Wall Street mofos knew exactly where the real blame lied.

And a lot of us worked with campus organizations to register and drive people to the polls. I live in a deeply red, rural part of Texas, and the looks on the volunteer's faces when cars full of teen/early 20's voters came in was pretty priceless.

/bonus: the majority of them were black or female
//not by our design
///guess people get offended when you shiat all over them for your campaign platform


That must have brought a broad grin across your mug.

One can only imagine the looks on their faces when they've realized their cunning plan may not work. It's a bit easier for a group of young people to simply hop in a car and drive down to the polling station. Can't exactly do that with the older crowd.
 
2012-11-08 09:20:40 AM

somedude210: SilentStrider: Congrats democrats. You're starting to tap a previously untapped resource.

Don't blow it.
Nominate someone in 2016 who can also tap this resource.

Who, exactly?

/Huntsman 2016!


That was the guy they should have nominated. (or Gary Johnson before he bailed in December '11)
 
2012-11-08 09:22:27 AM

BunkyBrewman: somedude210: SilentStrider: Congrats democrats. You're starting to tap a previously untapped resource.

Don't blow it.
Nominate someone in 2016 who can also tap this resource.

Who, exactly?

/Huntsman 2016!

That was the guy they should have nominated. (or Gary Johnson before he bailed in December '11)


Nah, Huntsman was too moderate. Johnson was too crazy when he went Libertarian
 
2012-11-08 09:24:00 AM

BunkyBrewman: somedude210: SilentStrider: Congrats democrats. You're starting to tap a previously untapped resource.

Don't blow it.
Nominate someone in 2016 who can also tap this resource.

Who, exactly?

/Huntsman 2016!

That was the guy they should have nominated. (or Gary Johnson before he bailed in December '11)


My 24 year old cousin - successful, works for KPMG with their banking customers - voted for Johnson. I wonder if he told my uncle.
 
2012-11-08 09:29:22 AM
Again - no. Young people were not decisive. Obama won EVERY demographic except for one.

Obama won young people.
Obama won blacks.
Obama won hispanics.
Obama won asians.
Obama won women.

Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.
 
2012-11-08 09:42:22 AM
This is how the teabaggers respond to someone who points out that their draconian social crusade may be turning off voters:

To: sigSEGV

what the hell are you on about, the poster never made any hate comment, that line of attack you have just done is what th left does when one opposes their agenda.

Homosexuality is not normal, a man getting turned on about wanting to stick his penis up a hole where feces comes out of is not healthy, nor normal nor natural or what nature intended.
It is a perverted sex and that is it and they think they shoudl ne proud of how they have their sex and then be celebrated as if they're hero's?

We never lost the election because of talk like that we lost it due to voter fraud, a media which lied and a community of blacks who are racst and only voted based on color.

13 posted on Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:48:43 AM by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]
 
2012-11-08 09:42:57 AM

Diogenes: BunkyBrewman: somedude210: SilentStrider: Congrats democrats. You're starting to tap a previously untapped resource.

Don't blow it.
Nominate someone in 2016 who can also tap this resource.

Who, exactly?

/Huntsman 2016!

That was the guy they should have nominated. (or Gary Johnson before he bailed in December '11)

My 24 year old cousin - successful, works for KPMG with their banking customers - voted for Johnson. I wonder if he told my uncle.


I voted for Huntsman in super tuesday (after he quit) and I'd do it again. He was a great candidate and his rallies were pretty awesome.

/sad Huntsman
 
2012-11-08 09:45:05 AM

somedude210: I voted for Huntsman in super tuesday (after he quit) and I'd do it again.


As a person he could have given Obama a run for his money. As someone seeking this GOP's nomination he was toast. Sad, indeed.

I do appreciate the fact that he didn't sit down and shut up and fall in line after he was out of the running.
 
2012-11-08 09:45:11 AM
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We voted before it was cool. We voted for Jill Stein. You've probably never heard of her.
 
2012-11-08 09:48:23 AM

Diogenes: somedude210: I voted for Huntsman in super tuesday (after he quit) and I'd do it again.

As a person he could have given Obama a run for his money. As someone seeking this GOP's nomination he was toast. Sad, indeed.

I do appreciate the fact that he didn't sit down and shut up and fall in line after he was out of the running.


Same, made me want to campaign for him if he makes another run. He really was a uniter

/fairly liberal
//like a Lincoln Republican of old
 
2012-11-08 09:49:35 AM

Aarontology: We're coming for you, old people.

Be afraid.


Joke's on you. By the time you get to us, you'll be old people too. Hooray entropy!
 
2012-11-08 09:55:22 AM

somedude210: Diogenes: somedude210: I voted for Huntsman in super tuesday (after he quit) and I'd do it again.

As a person he could have given Obama a run for his money. As someone seeking this GOP's nomination he was toast. Sad, indeed.

I do appreciate the fact that he didn't sit down and shut up and fall in line after he was out of the running.

Same, made me want to campaign for him if he makes another run. He really was a uniter

/fairly liberal
//like a Lincoln Republican of old


The thing is, Huntsman is not really a Lincoln Chafee or Olympia Snowe kind of moderate Republican, he's quite conservative. He's just not completely off the deep end bonkers conservative like most of the candidates this year (i.e. believes in science), so he seemed moderate in comparison.
 
2012-11-08 09:55:51 AM

BunkyBrewman: Coolfusis: gopher321: I guess those Occupy Wall Street mofos knew exactly where the real blame lied.

And a lot of us worked with campus organizations to register and drive people to the polls. I live in a deeply red, rural part of Texas, and the looks on the volunteer's faces when cars full of teen/early 20's voters came in was pretty priceless.

/bonus: the majority of them were black or female
//not by our design
///guess people get offended when you shiat all over them for your campaign platform

That must have brought a broad grin across your mug.

One can only imagine the looks on their faces when they've realized their cunning plan may not work. It's a bit easier for a group of young people to simply hop in a car and drive down to the polling station. Can't exactly do that with the older crowd.



What I felt like:
farm3.staticflickr.com

The best part is knowing none of them can say anything against it openly, or risk sounding like they don't like people being involved in democracy. Even down here, that's a no-no.
 
2012-11-08 10:18:16 AM

coco ebert: somedude210: Diogenes: somedude210: I voted for Huntsman in super tuesday (after he quit) and I'd do it again.

As a person he could have given Obama a run for his money. As someone seeking this GOP's nomination he was toast. Sad, indeed.

I do appreciate the fact that he didn't sit down and shut up and fall in line after he was out of the running.

Same, made me want to campaign for him if he makes another run. He really was a uniter

/fairly liberal
//like a Lincoln Republican of old

The thing is, Huntsman is not really a Lincoln Chafee or Olympia Snowe kind of moderate Republican, he's quite conservative. He's just not completely off the deep end bonkers conservative like most of the candidates this year (i.e. believes in science), so he seemed moderate in comparison.


True, but then we have a conservative/moderate republican to confront the moderate/liberal democrat. That's how it should be
 
2012-11-08 10:33:43 AM

coco ebert: The thing is, Huntsman is not really a Lincoln Chafee or Olympia Snowe kind of moderate Republican, he's quite conservative. He's just not completely off the deep end bonkers conservative like most of the candidates this year (i.e. believes in science), so he seemed moderate in comparison.


But he is (compared to the rest of the party, at least) socially moderate. That's the key with the younger demographics. Many of the republican points about the debt and spending and entitlement programs are not wrong. Overblown perhaps, and definitely hypocritical given their position on defense spending, but not wrong. A socially liberal, fiscally conservative candidate would erase the democrats advantage with women and voters under 40. You think voters under 40 aren't receptive to the argument that Social Security needs to be overhauled?

But that person would never have the Evangelical support, hence why the GOP is screwed.
 
2012-11-08 10:36:58 AM
I'm 30, so I may be outside the "young person" demographic, but my sister is 24, and she said that when she went to vote, there were probably several hundred people about her age in the same line. A lot of older people (40+), but a whole lot of people her age and younger. When my boyfriend and I voted that morning, there were a lot of geriatric people voting; I think a busload from the local nursing homes dropped them off.

The population is getting younger, smarter, and more ethnically and culturally diverse. That doesn't bode well for a party that prides itself on being the defenders of old, Christian, rich white men.
 
2012-11-08 10:38:31 AM

ignatius_crumbcake: coco ebert: The thing is, Huntsman is not really a Lincoln Chafee or Olympia Snowe kind of moderate Republican, he's quite conservative. He's just not completely off the deep end bonkers conservative like most of the candidates this year (i.e. believes in science), so he seemed moderate in comparison.

But he is (compared to the rest of the party, at least) socially moderate. That's the key with the younger demographics. Many of the republican points about the debt and spending and entitlement programs are not wrong. Overblown perhaps, and definitely hypocritical given their position on defense spending, but not wrong. A socially liberal, fiscally conservative candidate would erase the democrats advantage with women and voters under 40. You think voters under 40 aren't receptive to the argument that Social Security needs to be overhauled?

But that person would never have the Evangelical support, hence why the GOP is screwed.


How is he socially moderate? Is he pro-marriage equality or pro-choice? I thought he wasn't.
 
2012-11-08 10:39:55 AM

ignatius_crumbcake: Many of the republican points about the debt and spending and entitlement programs are not wrong. Overblown perhaps, and definitely hypocritical given their position on defense spending, but not wrong.


The problem with the (non-insane) portion of the GOP can best be summed up by RONPAUL: they can find the problems, they can point to them and explain how they are dire situations that need to be fixed, but their solutions either don't exist or exacerbate the problem. There are serious issues, and there are very politically risky moves that must be taken to solve them. The simplest one to explain is how Medicare + Medicaid + SS + Defense > revenues for any given year. Those four are considered untouchable, yet with only those we'd still run a deficit.

That's one reason I begrudgingly had a bit of respect for Paul Ryan; his solutions were certainly farking insane, but he was at least admitting to the problems and trying to do something about it. I was really hoping there would be a larger discussion about how to reduce Medicare/Medicaid/SS spending, but the Romney campaign decided to just jerk themselves off about Obama's Medicare spending cuts and then push more military spending. Totally the opposite.

I'd love to see Obama leverage his lame duck status to make some serious changes in those departments, but I have a feeling they're so toxic that even if he wanted to he'd poison the well for Democrats in '16 and beyond.
 
2012-11-08 10:44:47 AM
Does anyone have the turnout percentage? I think total turnout stayed in the 55-60% range, and the 18-29 crowd showed up in greater NUMBERS than in 2008 (which is indicative of nothing but population growth) - was it anything close to old people's traditional 80%?

In 2008: "Between 22 and 24 million young Americans ages 18-29 voted, resulting in an estimated youth voter turnout...between 49.3 and 54.5 percent...an increase of 1 to 6 percentage points over the estimated youth turnout in 2004, and an increase of between 8 and 13 percentage points over the turnout in the 2000 election. The all-time highest youth turnout was 55.4 percent in 1972, the first year that 18-year-olds could vote in a presidential election."
 
2012-11-08 10:47:02 AM

coco ebert: How is he socially moderate? Is he pro-marriage equality or pro-choice? I thought he wasn't.


He's not socially moderate in the overall sense, but he is more socially moderate than the rest of the GOP. He supports civil unions and extending rights to gay couples, agreed with the DADT repeal, accepts evolution and global warming and thinks science should be taught in science class.

Not ideal, especially on abortion, but loads better than the majority of the GOP.
 
2012-11-08 10:51:43 AM

ignatius_crumbcake: coco ebert: How is he socially moderate? Is he pro-marriage equality or pro-choice? I thought he wasn't.

He's not socially moderate in the overall sense, but he is more socially moderate than the rest of the GOP. He supports civil unions and extending rights to gay couples, agreed with the DADT repeal, accepts evolution and global warming and thinks science should be taught in science class.

Not ideal, especially on abortion, but loads better than the majority of the GOP.


I just find it astonishing that our country has moved SO far to the right that accepting evolution is considered social moderation. That SCIENCE is a sign of moderation. No, I refuse the very presentation of that as moderation. That should be the default.

I'm still gonna go with conservative, not moderate. We're shifting too far to the right on what constitutes the center.
 
2012-11-08 10:53:10 AM

coco ebert: ignatius_crumbcake: coco ebert: The thing is, Huntsman is not really a Lincoln Chafee or Olympia Snowe kind of moderate Republican, he's quite conservative. He's just not completely off the deep end bonkers conservative like most of the candidates this year (i.e. believes in science), so he seemed moderate in comparison.

But he is (compared to the rest of the party, at least) socially moderate. That's the key with the younger demographics. Many of the republican points about the debt and spending and entitlement programs are not wrong. Overblown perhaps, and definitely hypocritical given their position on defense spending, but not wrong. A socially liberal, fiscally conservative candidate would erase the democrats advantage with women and voters under 40. You think voters under 40 aren't receptive to the argument that Social Security needs to be overhauled?

But that person would never have the Evangelical support, hence why the GOP is screwed.

How is he socially moderate? Is he pro-marriage equality or pro-choice? I thought he wasn't.


The mitigating part put in there is "But he is (**compared to the rest of the party, at least**) socially moderate."

Not compared to the electorate that just gave the GOP a spanking, but compared to the rest of his party he's not a rapey-douchey caveman of a social conservative.
 
2012-11-08 10:53:12 AM

ignatius_crumbcake: coco ebert: How is he socially moderate? Is he pro-marriage equality or pro-choice? I thought he wasn't.

He's not socially moderate in the overall sense, but he is more socially moderate than the rest of the GOP. He supports civil unions and extending rights to gay couples, agreed with the DADT repeal, accepts evolution and global warming and thinks science should be taught in science class.

Not ideal, especially on abortion, but loads better than the majority of the GOP.


And if you have to have a conservative republican as your opponent, I couldn't think of a better guy
 
2012-11-08 10:56:55 AM
To be clear, anyone opposed to rape is "socially moderate"
 
2012-11-08 10:57:46 AM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: coco ebert: ignatius_crumbcake: coco ebert: The thing is, Huntsman is not really a Lincoln Chafee or Olympia Snowe kind of moderate Republican, he's quite conservative. He's just not completely off the deep end bonkers conservative like most of the candidates this year (i.e. believes in science), so he seemed moderate in comparison.

But he is (compared to the rest of the party, at least) socially moderate. That's the key with the younger demographics. Many of the republican points about the debt and spending and entitlement programs are not wrong. Overblown perhaps, and definitely hypocritical given their position on defense spending, but not wrong. A socially liberal, fiscally conservative candidate would erase the democrats advantage with women and voters under 40. You think voters under 40 aren't receptive to the argument that Social Security needs to be overhauled?

But that person would never have the Evangelical support, hence why the GOP is screwed.

How is he socially moderate? Is he pro-marriage equality or pro-choice? I thought he wasn't.

The mitigating part put in there is "But he is (**compared to the rest of the party, at least**) socially moderate."

Not compared to the electorate that just gave the GOP a spanking, but compared to the rest of his party he's not a rapey-douchey caveman of a social conservative.


Fair enough. But you also argued that that relative moderation would make him more appealing to young voters, and I was trying to point out how that relative moderation masks to a certain degree the quite conservative politics he actually has. It just further shifts to the right our political center. That's all.
 
2012-11-08 10:58:38 AM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: coco ebert: ignatius_crumbcake: coco ebert: The thing is, Huntsman is not really a Lincoln Chafee or Olympia Snowe kind of moderate Republican, he's quite conservative. He's just not completely off the deep end bonkers conservative like most of the candidates this year (i.e. believes in science), so he seemed moderate in comparison.

But he is (compared to the rest of the party, at least) socially moderate. That's the key with the younger demographics. Many of the republican points about the debt and spending and entitlement programs are not wrong. Overblown perhaps, and definitely hypocritical given their position on defense spending, but not wrong. A socially liberal, fiscally conservative candidate would erase the democrats advantage with women and voters under 40. You think voters under 40 aren't receptive to the argument that Social Security needs to be overhauled?

But that person would never have the Evangelical support, hence why the GOP is screwed.

How is he socially moderate? Is he pro-marriage equality or pro-choice? I thought he wasn't.

The mitigating part put in there is "But he is (**compared to the rest of the party, at least**) socially moderate."

Not compared to the electorate that just gave the GOP a spanking, but compared to the rest of his party he's not a rapey-douchey caveman of a social conservative.


I think what really drew me to him was that he advocated term limits and the defense focus policy that Obama adopted shortly there after (focus on navy, spec ops, less on occupational force). I liked his foreign policy (he actually UNDERSTOOD china!) and some of his economic policies. Yes, he is socially conservative, but he's a high ranking mormon. Of course he is. The fact that he is accepting of gays is huge considering his party is 40 steps behind him on that. I believe he also welcomed the Dream Act when it came to immigration.

The man wasn't a moron. He was a very pragmatic and moderate person when it came to actually governing. He knows a great many things, and social issues aside, probably wouldn't be *that* much further right than Obama is now. At least he knows that we have no need for a defense budget that dwarfs those of the next 25 countries combined, and that a trade war with China is stupid
 
2012-11-08 10:59:27 AM

coco ebert: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: coco ebert: ignatius_crumbcake: coco ebert: The thing is, Huntsman is not really a Lincoln Chafee or Olympia Snowe kind of moderate Republican, he's quite conservative. He's just not completely off the deep end bonkers conservative like most of the candidates this year (i.e. believes in science), so he seemed moderate in comparison.

But he is (compared to the rest of the party, at least) socially moderate. That's the key with the younger demographics. Many of the republican points about the debt and spending and entitlement programs are not wrong. Overblown perhaps, and definitely hypocritical given their position on defense spending, but not wrong. A socially liberal, fiscally conservative candidate would erase the democrats advantage with women and voters under 40. You think voters under 40 aren't receptive to the argument that Social Security needs to be overhauled?

But that person would never have the Evangelical support, hence why the GOP is screwed.

How is he socially moderate? Is he pro-marriage equality or pro-choice? I thought he wasn't.

The mitigating part put in there is "But he is (**compared to the rest of the party, at least**) socially moderate."

Not compared to the electorate that just gave the GOP a spanking, but compared to the rest of his party he's not a rapey-douchey caveman of a social conservative.

Fair enough. But you also argued that that relative moderation would make him more appealing to young voters, and I was trying to point out how that relative moderation masks to a certain degree the quite conservative politics he actually has. It just further shifts to the right our political center. That's all.


also, I would like to point out that he has 3 incredibly hot daughters ^_^
 
2012-11-08 11:00:45 AM
The even more interesting thing is that Obama did better among people in their 30s. All those late 20-something voters in 2008 came back and voted for him again.
 
2012-11-08 11:02:30 AM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: but compared to the rest of his party he's not a rapey-douchey caveman of a social conservative.


Yup, but coco is absolutely correct that when we say "he's not a rapey-douchey caveman" as a compliment it means we've drifted too far to the right.
 
2012-11-08 11:02:31 AM

Coolfusis: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Coolfusis: gopher321: I guess those Occupy Wall Street mofos knew exactly where the real blame lied.

And a lot of us worked with campus organizations to register and drive people to the polls. I live in a deeply red, rural part of Texas, and the looks on the volunteer's faces when cars full of teen/early 20's voters came in was pretty priceless.

/bonus: the majority of them were black or female
//not by our design
///guess people get offended when you shiat all over them for your campaign platform

Exactly. What those folks saw was just a microcosm of the demographic wave that is already up to their waists. they're just too busy listening to Rush and Boortz to notice that the water keeps rising.

We didn't even come close to swinging the county, 15% O or something. It was enough to get people's attention, though.


This could be a crazy conjecture, but if Obama had run the same ground game in all 50 states that he ran in the major battleground states, he might have had a shot at a margin like that.
 
2012-11-08 11:02:58 AM
Us young people are getting sick and tired of you old people and your failed, bigoted policies. Get out of the way already.
 
2012-11-08 11:03:15 AM

RexTalionis: The even more interesting thing is that Obama did better among people in their 30s. All those late 20-something voters in 2008 came back and voted for him again.


Well, considering that not voting would be one step towards Willard getting the presidency, there really is not other choice if you're an informed voter.
 
2012-11-08 11:03:16 AM
As a 26 year old who didn't vote for Obama in 08, I gladly punched my ballot for him this go around. Partly because I think he's done a great job but mostly because the Republicans/Tea Party is literally trying to re-write history in front of us and pretend like I don't remember their actions and words over the past 10 years. It's sickening...
 
2012-11-08 11:03:53 AM

somedude210: Nah, Huntsman was too moderate.


Huntsman is crazy conservative. He doesn't come across as so because he refuses to foam at the mouth.
 
2012-11-08 11:04:35 AM
Republicans need to deploy shiny balls in 2012.
 
2012-11-08 11:04:51 AM

somedude210: I voted for Huntsman in super tuesday (after he quit) and I'd do it again.


You voted for him after he quit? Why not put in a vote for Palin too, while you're at it?
 
2012-11-08 11:04:59 AM
By the way, if anyone wants some serious schadenfraude, list to this clip of Dennis Prager on the election:

Link

As part of his depressed rant, he goes on about how the GOP didn't do enough to say that young people are being burdened with debt, and how stupid young people are for voting for liberals. I can't tell you how much joy I got out of this insanity.
 
2012-11-08 11:06:12 AM

DamnYankees: As part of his depressed rant, he goes on about how the GOP didn't do enough to say that young people are being burdened with debt, and how stupid young people are for voting for liberals.


Young people are burdened with college debt, therefore we should eliminate scholarship programs. Thank you, GOP.
 
2012-11-08 11:06:39 AM
What stymied their progress was their turnout in the 2010 elections, the teabaggers are like the wild and wonderful whites of the political world, they are savvy about gaming the system. These young people need to keep voting in smaller elections.
 
2012-11-08 11:06:45 AM

Coolfusis: gopher321: I guess those Occupy Wall Street mofos knew exactly where the real blame lied.

And a lot of us worked with campus organizations to register and drive people to the polls. I live in a deeply red, rural part of Texas, and the looks on the volunteer's faces when cars full of teen/early 20's voters came in was pretty priceless.

/bonus: the majority of them were black or female
//not by our design
///guess people get offended when you shiat all over them for your campaign platform


Prairie View?
 
2012-11-08 11:07:12 AM

sprawl15: DamnYankees: As part of his depressed rant, he goes on about how the GOP didn't do enough to say that young people are being burdened with debt, and how stupid young people are for voting for liberals.

Young people are burdened with college debt, therefore we should eliminate scholarship programs. Thank you, GOP.


Also, I vote for people who like rape.
 
2012-11-08 11:07:48 AM

DamnYankees: By the way, if anyone wants some serious schadenfraude, list to this clip of Dennis Prager on the election:

Link

As part of his depressed rant, he goes on about how the GOP didn't do enough to say that young people are being burdened with debt, and how stupid young people are for voting for liberals. I can't tell you how much joy I got out of this insanity.


So, I was listening to Fox News radio all day yesterday and boy are they angry.
 
2012-11-08 11:08:40 AM

RexTalionis: So, I was listening to Fox News radio all day yesterday and boy are they angry.


Its not the anger I love. It's the depressed mood, the "I can't believe people did this" attitude, the "Americans are so dumb, they will burn for their sins" stuff. I JUST LOVE IT SO MUCH.
 
2012-11-08 11:08:51 AM

Aarontology: We're coming for you, old people.

Be afraid.


It's about farkin' time. Speaking for all of us progressives over the age of fifty, we're getting tired - it's your turn to step up.

SilentStrider: Congrats democrats. You're starting to tap a previously untapped resource.

Don't blow it.
Nominate someone in 2016 who can also tap this resource.


I hear a lot of enthusiasm over Elizabeth Warren, especially (but by no means exclusively) among women.
 
2012-11-08 11:09:20 AM

YoungSwedishBlonde: As a 26 year old who didn't vote for Obama in 08, I gladly punched my ballot for him this go around. Partly because I think he's done a great job but mostly because the Republicans/Tea Party is literally trying to re-write history in front of us and pretend like I don't remember their actions and words over the past 10 years. It's sickening...


It's amazing how the cons fail to grasp how a lot of the Dem voting was people going "fark your teabag of lies". Obama at least acts like a statesman instead of just derping and lying. I would have voted for a right of center guy who was moderate on social issues over Obama, but the Reps forced my hand and the nice chocolate man received my vote.
 
2012-11-08 11:09:34 AM
Nothing strange about old rich white people dying off.
 
2012-11-08 11:09:48 AM

somedude210: Diogenes: BunkyBrewman: somedude210: SilentStrider: Congrats democrats. You're starting to tap a previously untapped resource.

Don't blow it.
Nominate someone in 2016 who can also tap this resource.

Who, exactly?

/Huntsman 2016!

That was the guy they should have nominated. (or Gary Johnson before he bailed in December '11)

My 24 year old cousin - successful, works for KPMG with their banking customers - voted for Johnson. I wonder if he told my uncle.

I voted for Huntsman in super tuesday (after he quit) and I'd do it again. He was a great candidate and his rallies were pretty awesome.

/sad Huntsman


Unless Huntsman is going to change from an R to a D, he hasn't got a prayer in primaries, this is what happens when a party encourages ignorance.
 
2012-11-08 11:10:15 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Huntsman is crazy conservative. He doesn't come across as so because he refuses to foam at the mouth.


Those two statements do not go together. Foaming santorum at the mouth is the defining characteristic of the conservative.
 
2012-11-08 11:10:58 AM
That's not strange at all. Remember when the GOP primary was crazy, stupid, douchebag, bigot, not a chance, showboat, forget about it, crazy, and liar? This thing's been in the bag for Obama for over a year.
 
2012-11-08 11:11:08 AM

RexTalionis: DamnYankees: By the way, if anyone wants some serious schadenfraude, list to this clip of Dennis Prager on the election:

Link

As part of his depressed rant, he goes on about how the GOP didn't do enough to say that young people are being burdened with debt, and how stupid young people are for voting for liberals. I can't tell you how much joy I got out of this insanity.

So, I was listening to Fox News radio all day yesterday and boy are they angry.


Of course. It reminds me of the ACA ruling; the right wing media was positive they were going to win, to the point of being barely able to conceive a scenario in which they did not win. They've even got a new "turncoat" this time; instead of John Roberts it's Chris Christie.
 
2012-11-08 11:11:49 AM

DamnYankees: Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.


Which is a sea change from the past, when 60% support of white men meant Republican landslides. Now it's not enough to even win.
 
2012-11-08 11:12:53 AM

qorkfiend: Of course. It reminds me of the ACA ruling; the right wing media was positive they were going to win, to the point of being barely able to conceive a scenario in which they did not win. They've even got a new "turncoat" this time; instead of John Roberts it's Chris Christie.


I tried explaining to a family member how if the governor of New Jersey can sink you a week before the election, you have a serious underlying problem. That just triggered a derp storm. Once the anger face of this is over, the Republican strategists better get their shiat together or they'll be handing Dems both Houses in 2014.
 
2012-11-08 11:12:56 AM
1. Voting is a habit. The statistics all show that it's like sex: you may wait awhile to do it for the first time, but once you do, you tend to do it fairly regularly after that.

2. The GOP scared the hell out of everyone under 30, especially from 2005 on.

3. QED, all the young folks voted for Obama in 08, and both they and their younger siblings/younger friends voted this year. Expect to see it happen in 2016 too.

Until and unless the GOP ditches what we might call the 'crazy old white evangelicals who listen to Rush and Beck' wing, they will continue to be nothing more than the party of crazy old white evangelicals. And they will continue to lose at a national level, while winning fewer and fewer state races as well.
 
2012-11-08 11:14:18 AM

thurstonxhowell: That's not strange at all. Remember when the GOP primary was crazy, stupid, douchebag, bigot, not a chance, showboat, forget about it, crazy, and liar? This thing's been in the bag for Obama for over a year.


I think that was the logical conclusion but the way the right wing media was acting even up till the day before the election was that Romney was going to win and possibly win big. Even knowing it is total bullshiat their confidence shakes yours in the electorate.
 
2012-11-08 11:14:32 AM

DamnYankees: RexTalionis: So, I was listening to Fox News radio all day yesterday and boy are they angry.

Its not the anger I love. It's the depressed mood, the "I can't believe people did this" attitude, the "Americans are so dumb, they will burn for their sins" stuff. I JUST LOVE IT SO MUCH.


The even funnier thing is that they kept repeating the mantra that the US is a center-right country.

Well, no, apparently not. 35% of the electorate identify themselves as conservative. 24% (or roundabouts) identify themselves as liberal. 40% identify themselves as "moderates."

But the thing is, conservatives have made the word "liberal" so dirty that most of those moderates are actually liberals who didn't want to self-identify.
 
2012-11-08 11:14:36 AM

RexTalionis: The even more interesting thing is that Obama did better among people in their 30s. All those late 20-something voters in 2008 came back and voted for him again.


Why wouldn't they? Sure there were a bunch of starry eyed college kids who had it in their heads that he was going to ride into Washington on a white horse and bash in the skulls of his political opponents and feast on the goo inside. Sure they may have been a BIT disappointed that he wasn't the Che Guevera they expected him to be. But honestly, in how many cases would that slight disenchantment in any way lead to "Romney, now THAT is the answer!"?

He wasn't my ideal candidate, Jill Stein would be that. But between him and Romney (our unfortunate but realistic choice), it's pretty clear.

/32
//voted for Obama twice
 
2012-11-08 11:14:48 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: somedude210: Nah, Huntsman was too moderate.

Huntsman is crazy conservative. He doesn't come across as so because he refuses to foam at the mouth.


He's for civil unions, against DADT, wanted the military to focus on the navy and spec-ops instead of occupational forces (which was adopted as policy by Obama shortly there after), understands that China is not someone we should be starting a trade war with, believes in science and evolution, wanted Congressional term-limits, bipartisan and is an actual decent guy with really hot wife/daughters.

Now, maybe he'll be the Republican Carter, but if given the choice between him and the Santorums/Romneys/Newts of the party, I will give up my left nut if it means that we can have a party of Huntsmans instead of the tea partier alternative.
 
2012-11-08 11:17:13 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: Us young people are getting sick and tired of you old people and your failed, bigoted policies. Get out of the way already.


I'm 55, my mom amd dad are 80 and 75.I voted Obama and so did they.We have voted democratic all our lives,everybody else I know who is my age voted for Obama. Maybe you shouldn't be too quick to judge whole generations.
 
2012-11-08 11:18:03 AM

coco ebert: I just find it astonishing that our country has moved SO far to the right that accepting evolution is considered social moderation. That SCIENCE is a sign of moderation. No, I refuse the very presentation of that as moderation. That should be the default.


Agreed. I don't know who is going to run for the Democrats in 2016, but I hope an actual progressive gets nominated in response to the expected shift to the center by the GOP. Obama will help move the country forward, but he's a centrist at heart.
 
2012-11-08 11:18:14 AM
I think we can assume that the myth of 'young people don't care the issues' can be safely put to rest.
 
2012-11-08 11:18:50 AM

ha-ha-guy: I would have voted for a right of center guy who was moderate on social issues over Obama


So you'd vote for Obama over Obama?

/Seriously, look at his policies, Obama's the best post-civil rights movement Republican president you've ever had.
 
2012-11-08 11:19:14 AM

ha-ha-guy: I tried explaining to a family member how if the governor of New Jersey can sink you a week before the election, you have a serious underlying problem. That just triggered a derp storm. Once the anger face of this is over, the Republican strategists better get their shiat together or they'll be handing Dems both Houses in 2014.


Not to mention looking down the barrel of another supermajority in the Senate, the presidency (obviously), and enough SCOTUS appointments to flip the court for at least another 10-20 years at a time when numerous landmark rulings are sure to come down the pike.
 
2012-11-08 11:19:32 AM
Maybe the younger generation is just sick of the shiat they're seeing the older generation do and want to change it finally?
 
2012-11-08 11:20:34 AM

DamnYankees: Again - no. Young people were not decisive. Obama won EVERY demographic except for one.

Obama won young people.
Obama won blacks.
Obama won hispanics.
Obama won asians.
Obama won women.

Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.


Hey, don't blame me. I'm an over-30 straight white dude who voted for Obama. Again.

Don't ask me what's wrong with my demographic.
 
2012-11-08 11:22:30 AM

DamnYankees: By the way, if anyone wants some serious schadenfraude, list to this clip of Dennis Prager on the election:

Link

As part of his depressed rant, he goes on about how the GOP didn't do enough to say that young people are being burdened with debt, and how stupid young people are for voting for liberals. I can't tell you how much joy I got out of this insanity.


These people still believe the majority of American's are conservative Christians. They need to re-evaluate their whole approach.


So I kept listening and he says "Any young person who votes left is a fool."

Yep, no war on young people.

lulz
 
2012-11-08 11:23:28 AM

busy chillin': These people still believe the majority of American's are conservative Christians. They need to re-evaluate their whole approach.


Prager is Jewish, FWIW. But he's bought into the "Judeo-Christian" bullshiat.
 
2012-11-08 11:24:01 AM

that bosnian sniper: ha-ha-guy: I tried explaining to a family member how if the governor of New Jersey can sink you a week before the election, you have a serious underlying problem. That just triggered a derp storm. Once the anger face of this is over, the Republican strategists better get their shiat together or they'll be handing Dems both Houses in 2014.

Not to mention looking down the barrel of another supermajority in the Senate, the presidency (obviously), and enough SCOTUS appointments to flip the court for at least another 10-20 years at a time when numerous landmark rulings are sure to come down the pike.


The scary thing is that is is bad for the country for be in a situation where Party A is intelligent and Party B is moronic. There is always the threat that Party A gets too comfortable and starts to drift in extremist directions or get corrupt due to a lack of a challenge. You can your opposition to be keeping the ruling party on its toes. If the Reps just sit around with the old angry white folk and die off, it means the Dems don't have to work as hard to please the other voting blocs since they aren't being challenged for control of them.
 
2012-11-08 11:24:08 AM

shastacola: The My Little Pony Killer: Us young people are getting sick and tired of you old people and your failed, bigoted policies. Get out of the way already.

I'm 55, my mom amd dad are 80 and 75.I voted Obama and so did they.We have voted democratic all our lives,everybody else I know who is my age voted for Obama. Maybe you shouldn't be too quick to judge whole generations.


I actually have the sense that people 10-15 younger than us tend, on average, to be more conservative than most of our cohort. No data, mind you, but a gut feeling.
 
2012-11-08 11:24:14 AM
If we could just get young people to realize that we have elections every 2 years, not 4, we'd be in pretty good shape.
 
2012-11-08 11:24:41 AM

whistleridge: 1. Voting is a habit. The statistics all show that it's like sex: you may wait awhile to do it for the first time, but once you do, you tend to do it fairly regularly after that.

2. The GOP scared the hell out of everyone under 30, especially from 2005 on.

3. QED, all the young folks voted for Obama in 08, and both they and their younger siblings/younger friends voted this year. Expect to see it happen in 2016 too.

Until and unless the GOP ditches what we might call the 'crazy old white evangelicals who listen to Rush and Beck' wing, they will continue to be nothing more than the party of crazy old white evangelicals. And they will continue to lose at a national level, while winning fewer and fewer state races as well.


Unfortunately, due to gerrymandering after the census, the GOP will be fairly well entrenched in the House until the next go around in 2020. Projections are that around 2020 is when we will also see enough of a Hispanic population increase to turn parts of the South (namely Texas) move purple. 2024 it may well go blue. It won't be until around then that the Republicans really begin to wither and die (assuming they don't change course)
 
2012-11-08 11:24:47 AM
I guess most older farks just don't listen or work with people under 30. Now maybe my sample set is self selecting as I work with a lot of younger folks through charitable organizations that I participate in, but they impress me. They are hard working, motivate, intelligent, knowledgeable, and want to participate in society.

It is no surprise they came out and voted, no surprise they vote Obama and the Democrats as they also are pro-health care, pro-choice, pro-marriage equality and desperate for a good economy. Romney and the Republicans offered nothing that would appeal to anybody under 30.
 
2012-11-08 11:24:54 AM
Hmm, young people want Social Security to be there when they get old, and they don't want to be 70 to start collecting it. I guess they think Medicare would be nice, too. For some reason they think the extremely wealthy shouldn't be getting tax breaks when taxes are historically low and these programs are on the chopping block because of it.

/The youth of today is so lazy and entitled and wants stuff and things
//Or something
 
2012-11-08 11:25:52 AM

somedude210: I voted for Huntsman in super tuesday (after he quit) and I'd do it again. He was a great candidate and his rallies were pretty awesome.


Same here. I'd love to see him run again. He's the Mormon the republicans should have nominated.
 
2012-11-08 11:26:00 AM

Doc Daneeka: Hey, don't blame me. I'm an over-30 straight white dude who voted for Obama. Again.


White guilt is the only explanation.......right?



/over 40 who voted Obama as well. R's are broken.
 
2012-11-08 11:26:16 AM

Klivian: Unfortunately, due to gerrymandering after the census, the GOP will be fairly well entrenched in the House until the next go around in 2020. Projections are that around 2020 is when we will also see enough of a Hispanic population increase to turn parts of the South (namely Texas) move purple. 2024 it may well go blue. It won't be until around then that the Republicans really begin to wither and die (assuming they don't change course)


Exactly right. The reason the GOP held the House was basically because of gerrymandering. Not popularity.
 
2012-11-08 11:26:34 AM

Doc Daneeka: DamnYankees: Again - no. Young people were not decisive. Obama won EVERY demographic except for one.

Obama won young people.
Obama won blacks.
Obama won hispanics.
Obama won asians.
Obama won women.

Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.

Hey, don't blame me. I'm an over-30 straight white dude who voted for Obama. Again.

Don't ask me what's wrong with my demographic.


Scared of a black man having control over them?
 
2012-11-08 11:27:14 AM

Jubeebee: coco ebert: I just find it astonishing that our country has moved SO far to the right that accepting evolution is considered social moderation. That SCIENCE is a sign of moderation. No, I refuse the very presentation of that as moderation. That should be the default.

Agreed. I don't know who is going to run for the Democrats in 2016, but I hope an actual progressive gets nominated in response to the expected shift to the center by the GOP. Obama will help move the country forward, but he's a centrist at heart.


IAWTTP. However, I think this goes back to education. A sea change in attitudes to the left will follow a solid foundation of education. It's just a shame that science education and education in general have been so eroded in the past two decades.
 
2012-11-08 11:27:46 AM

kumanoki: IAWTTP


wut
 
2012-11-08 11:28:22 AM

DamnYankees: busy chillin': These people still believe the majority of American's are conservative Christians. They need to re-evaluate their whole approach.

Prager is Jewish, FWIW. But he's bought into the "Judeo-Christian" bullshiat.


I didn't know that...but yeah, many Americans are losing their religions and actually believe in Freedom. Freedom of choice, freedom to love who you want. The old school religious dogma is dying and they better get on board...who they will never win again.

I actually believe the government needs to be more fiscally conservative, but Romney wasn't anywhere near the guy I would have or could have voted for. But the Republicans have drawn such a line in the sand and I just can't be on their side. And I'm okay with this.
 
2012-11-08 11:29:20 AM

BMulligan: shastacola: The My Little Pony Killer: Us young people are getting sick and tired of you old people and your failed, bigoted policies. Get out of the way already.

I'm 55, my mom amd dad are 80 and 75.I voted Obama and so did they.We have voted democratic all our lives,everybody else I know who is my age voted for Obama. Maybe you shouldn't be too quick to judge whole generations.

I actually have the sense that people 10-15 younger than us tend, on average, to be more conservative than most of our cohort. No data, mind you, but a gut feeling.


I agree. Forty something seems to be the age where if you're going to get that "fark you,I've got mine" attitude and start voting for the stupid party,that is the turning point. How anyone feels good about voting for ignorance is beyond me.
 
2012-11-08 11:29:27 AM

thurstonxhowell: If we could just get young people to realize that we have elections every 2 years, not 4, we'd be in pretty good shape.


The Dems should immediately begin hammering home the idea that if you want a more efficient recovery, congress is needed to participate. Then, play some tape of McConnell being a douchebag... and say if congress isn't willing to be bi-partisan, then it's up to the voters to vote in candidates that will participate in responsible governance.
 
2012-11-08 11:30:04 AM
juliacomedy.com

Curses! Foiled again!
 
2012-11-08 11:30:34 AM
I hear this, and I keep thinking of the quote from Winston Churchill "Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains", which goes perfectly well with people like Ted Nugent.

Don't who the generation that was key for this victory (I'm 29 so I don't think I fully fit) fits, but I wish them no ill, and the best of luck.
 
2012-11-08 11:32:00 AM

DamnYankees: kumanoki: IAWTTP

wut


I agree with this thoughtful post
 
2012-11-08 11:32:01 AM

coco ebert: I just find it astonishing that our country has moved SO far to the right that accepting evolution is considered social moderation.



Woodrow Wilson, elected 100 years ago this week: "Of course, like every other man of intelligence and education I do believe in organic evolution. It surprises me that at this late date such questions should be raised. "
 
2012-11-08 11:32:18 AM
I'm 24, and even though I like to think I'm a left-leaning centrist, it was a pretty easy choice for me to make.

Like it or not, the economy is heading in the right direction under Obama and Romney did absolutely NOTHING to convince me that he would do anything more but return to the failed GOP policies of the 2000's.

That and you had a Senate Candidate who doesn't even know basic biology and it made the choice even easier.

Unless the GOP ditches the crazies who are trying to take over the party, they aren't getting my vote for a long time.
 
2012-11-08 11:32:44 AM

DamnYankees: Again - no. Young people were not decisive. Obama won EVERY demographic except for one.

Obama won young people.
Obama won blacks.
Obama won hispanics.
Obama won asians.
Obama won women.

Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.


Romney won white women too, although by about six or seven points less than white men.
 
2012-11-08 11:33:10 AM

DamnYankees: Again - no. Young people were not decisive. Obama won EVERY demographic except for one.

Obama won young people.
Obama won blacks.
Obama won hispanics.
Obama won asians.
Obama won women.

Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.


They dream that someday a white male will be elected president.
 
2012-11-08 11:34:45 AM

Geotpf: DamnYankees: Again - no. Young people were not decisive. Obama won EVERY demographic except for one.

Obama won young people.
Obama won blacks.
Obama won hispanics.
Obama won asians.
Obama won women.

Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.

Romney won white women too, although by about six or seven points less than white men.


The hilarious thing here in MO was that the white women who voted for Romney also voted for McCaskill.
 
2012-11-08 11:36:03 AM

Klivian:
Unfortunately, due to gerrymandering after the census, the GOP will be fairly well entrenched in the House until the next go around in 2020. Projections are that around 2020 is when we will also see enough of a Hispanic population increase to turn parts of the South (namely Texas) move purple. 2024 it may well go blue. It won't be until around then that the Republicans really begin to wither and die (assuming they don't change course)


Agreed.

Hopefully, this will be one of the last rounds where gerrymandering will be an issue. Some states have already shifted to using non-partisan commissions to redraw districts using algorithms instead of political considerations, and the trend is expanding. I don't think it's unrealistic to say that such a thing could be standard by 2020, and almost certainly will be standard by 2030.

Of course, by that time, whites will be something like 55% of the population at best, so it will be a whole new world is ways that Rush can't imagine in his most fever-plagued nightmare.
 
2012-11-08 11:36:23 AM

Mrtraveler01: Like it or not, the economy is heading in the right direction under Obama and Romney did absolutely NOTHING to convince me that he would do anything more but return to the failed GOP policies of the 2000's.


And again, had Romney's policies failed abysmally, even if you could point and say, "This is when he signed that bill, here is where the market crashed, here are 1000 independent experts saying 'the market crashed due to this new policy'", the right's refusal to acknowledge GW's role in our current situation told me they wouldn't change course if this country was the Titanic.
 
2012-11-08 11:37:20 AM

kumanoki: DamnYankees: kumanoki: IAWTTP

wut

I agree with this thoughtful post


Be honest - you just made that up.
 
2012-11-08 11:40:33 AM

aevert: somedude210: I voted for Huntsman in super tuesday (after he quit) and I'd do it again. He was a great candidate and his rallies were pretty awesome.

Same here. I'd love to see him run again. He's the Mormon the republicans should have nominated.


He was the Republican the republicans should have nominated
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-11-08 11:42:24 AM

Doc Daneeka: DamnYankees: Again - no. Young people were not decisive. Obama won EVERY demographic except for one.

Obama won young people.
Obama won blacks.
Obama won hispanics.
Obama won asians.
Obama won women.

Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.

Hey, don't blame me. I'm an over-30 straight white dude who voted for Obama. Again.

Don't ask me what's wrong with my demographic.


I can relate to this. I think the single largest issue with our demographic is "we used to have it so much better when being white male made us the ruling class. oh, and jesus says obama is bad." It's not all, but it clearly is still a significant issue.

Just ask O'Reilly. We've lost our traditional values (of white males being at the core of everything, from congregations to banks to blue collar jobs to office managers) and whites aren't the overwhelming majority of voters to be pandered to. It'd be so much easier and comfortable if we could go back to having white males just own and run 99% of everything, right? It'd be simple to have one message sent out to all corners of the nation.
 
2012-11-08 11:44:22 AM

somedude210: aevert: somedude210: I voted for Huntsman in super tuesday (after he quit) and I'd do it again. He was a great candidate and his rallies were pretty awesome.

Same here. I'd love to see him run again. He's the Mormon the republicans should have nominated.

He was the Republican the republicans should have nominated


My guess is, for Hunstman to a candidate, there needs to be two primordial (and just as difficult) actions:

1.- Disassociate from the religious right (claim that 'they have become as a extreme as the terrorists we fight against' because it's true).
2.- Disassociate from the corrupted wealthy that have their stake in politics.
 
2012-11-08 11:44:53 AM
meh, a lot of young people voted with their wallets, just like the wealthy

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/05/dem-party-platform-college-e d ucation_n_1858987.html

Debt forgiveness? Why yes, I'll take some that.
 
2012-11-08 11:45:01 AM
 
2012-11-08 11:47:24 AM
It's called easy access to information and people are using it. You're welcome.
 
2012-11-08 11:50:05 AM

CygnusDarius: somedude210: aevert: somedude210: I voted for Huntsman in super tuesday (after he quit) and I'd do it again. He was a great candidate and his rallies were pretty awesome.

Same here. I'd love to see him run again. He's the Mormon the republicans should have nominated.

He was the Republican the republicans should have nominated

My guess is, for Hunstman to a candidate, there needs to be two primordial (and just as difficult) actions:

1.- Disassociate from the religious right (claim that 'they have become as a extreme as the terrorists we fight against' because it's true).
2.- Disassociate from the corrupted wealthy that have their stake in politics.


So...make him a Democrat?

1 is improbable (god and guns, afterall) to convince people because of how much it could screw him and 2 is possible but he'll also have to emphasize that his family made their money legitimately and aren't corrupt (basically a "good wealthy" vs "bad wealthy" fight. Which is kinda like a Huntsman vs. Romney fight)
 
2012-11-08 11:50:23 AM
What strikes me is that the Senate has been largely either Democratic or tied in recent years. The presidency usually goes Democratic. Only once since 1988 has the popular vote gone Republican, and that was in the post-9/11 mass-craziness that consumed America. Overall, the Senate largely reflects the popular vote in the presidency.

Gerrymandering in conjunction with Karl Rove's "Permanent Republican Majority" seems to have been pretty effective. It has created something of a firewall for Republicans, by putting just enough in just enough districts, while packing Democratic constituencies in concentrated districts, to keep power of the House. It has basically created a bias in favor of republicans, which holds to a certain degree as the needle shifts left. It seems to create a breaking point though, where if the needle pushes far enough left, the house switches by a large degree (see 2006).

There's a saying that as goes California, so goes America. California was Reagan country in the 70's. It had the extremes of the parties locked into entrenched warfare in the Assembly long before such behavior became a national phenomenon.
 
2012-11-08 11:50:27 AM

DamnYankees: kumanoki: DamnYankees: kumanoki: IAWTTP

wut

I agree with this thoughtful post

Be honest - you just made that up.


I tried to google the definition and Google thought I fatfingered HTTP.

But I'll enjoy the consensus.
 
2012-11-08 11:52:48 AM

Jubeebee: DamnYankees: kumanoki: DamnYankees: kumanoki: IAWTTP

wut

I agree with this thoughtful post

Be honest - you just made that up.

I tried to google the definition and Google thought I fatfingered HTTP.

But I'll enjoy the consensus.


http://www.internetslang.com/IAWTP-meaning-definition.asp
 
2012-11-08 11:55:36 AM
What I thought was more interesting (and probably because I fall into this demographic) is that the 30-somethings are sticking with the democratic platform. Republicans always assumed that we would "grow out of it and become conservatives" but that doesn't change the way they've acted. They have done nothing to deserve or contend for our support. I don't know a single person who has "switched" from their college years. (This doesn't mean everyone I know votes democratic - just that the republicans that I know from college were always republicans).
 
2012-11-08 11:57:37 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: meh, a lot of young people voted with their wallets, just like the wealthy


That's a big part of it for sure. Young people don't tend to be fooled into voting against their own interests by social issues. The youth, for the most part, couldn't give two shiats if gays want to marry or abortion remains legal.
 
2012-11-08 12:00:53 PM

DamnYankees: Again - no. Young people were not decisive. Obama won EVERY demographic except for one.

Obama won young people.
Obama won blacks.
Obama won hispanics.
Obama won asians.
Obama won women.

Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.


As a white male I happily voted for Obama.
fark fear and lies as a platform, until republicans can get to a point of honesty and having a legitimate now religion based platform they can suck it.
I can't wait to watch them become less and less relevant as time goes on.
 
2012-11-08 12:01:30 PM

CygnusDarius: My guess is, for Hunstman to a candidate, there needs to be two primordial (and just as difficult) actions:

1.- Disassociate from the religious right (claim that 'they have become as a extreme as the terrorists we fight against' because it's true).
2.- Disassociate from the corrupted wealthy that have their stake in politics.


You've explained the inevitable and rapidly approaching clash that's going to have to happen inside the GOP in order to stay relevant (#1).

#2 will never happen though, even if the GOP modernizes and tries to go back toward the center, they'll still have the backing of the wealthy.
 
2012-11-08 12:05:46 PM

nekom: Zeb Hesselgresser: meh, a lot of young people voted with their wallets, just like the wealthy

That's a big part of it for sure. Young people don't tend to be fooled into voting against their own interests by social issues. The youth, for the most part, couldn't give two shiats if gays want to marry or abortion remains legal.


wut

We certainly give more than that. We have friends who are amongst the first to live their lives openly, even if we are not gay ourselves. How could I look some of my friends in the eye and say "Hey, you're great and all, but I don't think you are equal."?

We want access to abortion because we realize the tremendous impact having a child can have, financially, mentally, and physically. Many of us can't afford children thanks to the terrible economy which is preventing graduates from getting a full time job.

But, surprise surprise, only one party is in favor of these and not forcing us to bend over to pay for the boomers. And guess which way we vote
 
2012-11-08 12:06:33 PM

ignatius_crumbcake: This is how the teabaggers respond to someone who points out that their draconian social crusade may be turning off voters:

To: sigSEGV

what the hell are you on about, the poster never made any hate comment, that line of attack you have just done is what th left does when one opposes their agenda.

Homosexuality is not normal, a man getting turned on about wanting to stick his penis up a hole where feces comes out of is not healthy, nor normal nor natural or what nature intended.
It is a perverted sex and that is it and they think they shoudl ne proud of how they have their sex and then be celebrated as if they're hero's?

We never lost the election because of talk like that we lost it due to voter fraud, a media which lied and a community of blacks who are racst and only voted based on color.

13 posted on Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:48:43 AM by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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He sure likes to describe anal sex. You know, to show how much he's opposed to it.
 
2012-11-08 12:06:57 PM

raanne: What I thought was more interesting (and probably because I fall into this demographic) is that the 30-somethings are sticking with the democratic platform. Republicans always assumed that we would "grow out of it and become conservatives" but that doesn't change the way they've acted. They have done nothing to deserve or contend for our support. I don't know a single person who has "switched" from their college years. (This doesn't mean everyone I know votes democratic - just that the republicans that I know from college were always republicans).


I think this has a lot to do with the perceptible shift right- that grudging pull that the Tea Party imposed upon the political landscape. The Democratic party, and it's candidate, have had to move right to get anything done. Why would 'moderate' 30-somethings feel the need to move right when they are already there?
 
2012-11-08 12:09:49 PM

Doc Daneeka: DamnYankees: Again - no. Young people were not decisive. Obama won EVERY demographic except for one.

Obama won young people.
Obama won blacks.
Obama won hispanics.
Obama won asians.
Obama won women.

Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.

Hey, don't blame me. I'm an over-30 straight white dude who voted for Obama. Again.

Don't ask me what's wrong with my demographic.


46 year old straight white male here. College Republican. Voted for Reagan in my first election. Still thinks GW1 was underrated.

Voted for Obama (and Casey).

Fark you Republicans- you can have my vote back when you return to sanity.
 
2012-11-08 12:10:01 PM

Coolfusis: BunkyBrewman: Coolfusis: gopher321: I guess those Occupy Wall Street mofos knew exactly where the real blame lied.

And a lot of us worked with campus organizations to register and drive people to the polls. I live in a deeply red, rural part of Texas, and the looks on the volunteer's faces when cars full of teen/early 20's voters came in was pretty priceless.

/bonus: the majority of them were black or female
//not by our design
///guess people get offended when you shiat all over them for your campaign platform

That must have brought a broad grin across your mug.

One can only imagine the looks on their faces when they've realized their cunning plan may not work. It's a bit easier for a group of young people to simply hop in a car and drive down to the polling station. Can't exactly do that with the older crowd.


What I felt like:
[farm3.staticflickr.com image 500x252]

The best part is knowing none of them can say anything against it openly, or risk sounding like they don't like people being involved in democracy. Even down here, that's a no-no.


No, but they WILL be willing to tell all their friends the next day about this suspicious group of INNER CITY young welfare moms who were driving from poll place to poll place voting multiple times and they even tried to come back to THEIR polling place three times and they had to tell them to leave because they were only allowed to vote at that station once and it was oh so scary so they gave them just about three fivvy to leave.
 
2012-11-08 12:11:00 PM
Homosexuality is not normal, a man getting turned on about wanting to stick his penis up a hole where feces comes out of is not healthy, nor normal nor natural or what nature intended.



Begs his girlfriend to let him go in the back door.
 
2012-11-08 12:14:43 PM
i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-08 12:18:08 PM

busy chillin': Homosexuality is not normal, a man getting turned on about wanting to stick his penis up a hole where feces comes out of is not healthy, nor normal nor natural or what nature intended.



Begs his girlfriend to let him go in the back door.


Sorry, but, as a guy, what's up with anal? I mean, sure, I appreciate the backdoor entry when I get the chance to hop in, but, I've never asked to go in.

/Then again
//I've yet to know a woman that likes giving head
///Sure, all love when one goes down, but when you ask :/
 
2012-11-08 12:21:24 PM

Izunbacol: The presidency usually goes Democratic.


No, it doesn't. There have been 24 presidential elections held since 1920; Democrats have won 12 and the Republicans have won 12. Even if we limit it to the modern era - 1960 onwards - it's 7 and 7.

Democrats: Roosevelt in 1932, 1936, 1940 and 1944, Truman in 1948, Kennedy in 1960, Johnson in 1964, Carter in 1976, Clinton in 1992 and 1996, and Obama in 2008 and 2012.
Republicans: Harding in 1920, Coolidge in 1924, Hoover in 1928, Eisenhower in 1952 and 1956, Nixon in 1968 and 1972, Reagan in 1980 and 1984, H. W. Bush in 1988, W. Bush in 2000 and 2004.
 
2012-11-08 12:22:00 PM

thurstonxhowell: If we could just get young people to realize that we have elections every 2 years, not 4, we'd be in pretty good shape.


And that you have to do it again, and Again, And AGAIN, AND AGAIN!

This is not a set it and forget it preference on your email account. There is no adblocker addin. You have to keep clicking "No I don't want that, I want nice things".

Otherwise the crazies win, and we get to pick up the tab.
 
2012-11-08 12:22:23 PM

CygnusDarius: busy chillin': Homosexuality is not normal, a man getting turned on about wanting to stick his penis up a hole where feces comes out of is not healthy, nor normal nor natural or what nature intended.



Begs his girlfriend to let him go in the back door.

Sorry, but, as a guy, what's up with anal? I mean, sure, I appreciate the backdoor entry when I get the chance to hop in, but, I've never asked to go in.

/Then again
//I've yet to know a woman that likes giving head
///Sure, all love when one goes down, but when you ask :/


you should meet my girlfriend ^_^

/also, great rule of thumb: never ask for something you're not willing to reciprocate on them ^_^
 
2012-11-08 12:22:35 PM
Maybe young people are getting sick and tired of the Baby Boomers destroying everything and leaving nothing for future generations?

/Gen X here
 
2012-11-08 12:23:12 PM

CygnusDarius: busy chillin': Homosexuality is not normal, a man getting turned on about wanting to stick his penis up a hole where feces comes out of is not healthy, nor normal nor natural or what nature intended.



Begs his girlfriend to let him go in the back door.

Sorry, but, as a guy, what's up with anal? I mean, sure, I appreciate the backdoor entry when I get the chance to hop in, but, I've never asked to go in.

/Then again
//I've yet to know a woman that likes giving head
///Sure, all love when one goes down, but when you ask :/


You need to start dating a better class of lady. I've known more than a couple girls who prefer that 'other' way over traditional sex.

Also: selfish girls are bad lovers. Give and take when it comes to oral lovins.
 
2012-11-08 12:23:34 PM
We would, bu

SilentStrider: Congrats democrats. You're starting to tap a previously untapped resource.

Don't blow it.
Nominate someone in 2016 who can also tap this resource.


But Bill Clinton's already served his two terms.

/ Here all week.
// Avoid the veal, try the calamari
/// White people are lame
 
2012-11-08 12:29:11 PM

Slaves2Darkness: I guess most older farks just don't listen or work with people under 30. Now maybe my sample set is self selecting as I work with a lot of younger folks through charitable organizations that I participate in, but they impress me. They are hard working, motivate, intelligent, knowledgeable, and want to participate in society.

It is no surprise they came out and voted, no surprise they vote Obama and the Democrats as they also are pro-health care, pro-choice, pro-marriage equality and desperate for a good economy. Romney and the Republicans offered nothing that would appeal to anybody under 30.


I'm not sure your experiences are uncommon. With company loyalty at an all-time low among employees, the shipping of millions of manufacturing jobs overseas that once provided with stable paths of advancement, and especially just recently the Great Recession acting as a cut-off between young, inexperienced workers and older, experienced workers, there is a huge gulf between the two. And given that business's disincentive to train up new hires rather than hire an experienced worker/cog, and you have two almost completely different workplace worlds.

Even before the recession, I worked through college in food service and retail. It never seemed to fail, in over nine years of working, that there was one or two people over 30, general manager and the like, to watch over all the teens and twenty somethings. Those general managers, even if they didn't like their workers, understood if their job got done.
Then there were the corporate types, regional managers and such, generally 40 or older, who were convinced that every college-aged kid was stealing from them, intentionally getting hurt, intentionally wasting product, and there was no fact, balance sheet, or profit margin to convince them otherwise.

CSB: I worked for a chain restaurant whose general manager was convicted of fraud (cutting paychecks to make the store's numbers look better). The assistant manager was a 26 year old girl with a master's in psychology and bachelor's in french language whom had taught at the local college until the recession saw her laid off. The 40-something district manager, whose greatest achievement was graduating high school had her run the store for six months while refusing to promote her to general manager, finally outright saying that he didn't trust her to get the job done and replacing her with another GM who had no college education whatsoever. He at least turned out to be nice...
 
2012-11-08 12:29:38 PM

sprawl15: ignatius_crumbcake: Many of the republican points about the debt and spending and entitlement programs are not wrong. Overblown perhaps, and definitely hypocritical given their position on defense spending, but not wrong.

The problem with the (non-insane) portion of the GOP can best be summed up by RONPAUL: they can find the problems, they can point to them and explain how they are dire situations that need to be fixed, but their solutions either don't exist or exacerbate the problem. There are serious issues, and there are very politically risky moves that must be taken to solve them. The simplest one to explain is how Medicare + Medicaid + SS + Defense > revenues for any given year. Those four are considered untouchable, yet with only those we'd still run a deficit.

That's one reason I begrudgingly had a bit of respect for Paul Ryan; his solutions were certainly farking insane, but he was at least admitting to the problems and trying to do something about it. I was really hoping there would be a larger discussion about how to reduce Medicare/Medicaid/SS spending, but the Romney campaign decided to just jerk themselves off about Obama's Medicare spending cuts and then push more military spending. Totally the opposite.

I'd love to see Obama leverage his lame duck status to make some serious changes in those departments, but I have a feeling they're so toxic that even if he wanted to he'd poison the well for Democrats in '16 and beyond.



you're dead to me.
 
2012-11-08 12:29:59 PM

somedude210: CygnusDarius: busy chillin': Homosexuality is not normal, a man getting turned on about wanting to stick his penis up a hole where feces comes out of is not healthy, nor normal nor natural or what nature intended.



Begs his girlfriend to let him go in the back door.

Sorry, but, as a guy, what's up with anal? I mean, sure, I appreciate the backdoor entry when I get the chance to hop in, but, I've never asked to go in.

/Then again
//I've yet to know a woman that likes giving head
///Sure, all love when one goes down, but when you ask :/

you should meet my girlfriend ^_^

/also, great rule of thumb: never ask for something you're not willing to reciprocate on them ^_^


Ok, how often do you suck your lady's dick?
 
2012-11-08 12:31:02 PM

mjohnson71: Maybe young people are getting sick and tired of the Baby Boomers destroying everything and leaving nothing for future generations?

/Gen X here


I'm guessing I'm a Millenial, then? Born in '83.

somedude210: /also, great rule of thumb: never ask for something you're not willing to reciprocate on them ^_^


The thing is, I am willing to reciprocate. Sure, it's not something I'm phenomenal at (don't get lots of practice), but c'mon.
 
2012-11-08 12:32:32 PM

Klivian: Ok, how often do you suck your lady's dick?


venturefans.org
 
2012-11-08 12:36:55 PM

DirkValentine: you're dead to me.


*shrug* he actually asked serious policy questions. His answers were in crayon and drool, but these are questions that need to be considered for sound budgetary policy. I'd have loved for an adult discussion about how to deal with non-discretionary and defense spending, but instead we had both parties yelling OMG THEY ARE CUTTING MEDICARE at each other.
 
2012-11-08 12:45:06 PM

sprawl15: I'd have loved for an adult discussion about how to deal with non-discretionary and defense spending, but instead we had both parties yelling OMG THEY ARE CUTTING MEDICARE at each other.


I'm pretty sure we had one party trimming what fat they could from Medicare and the other comparing it to death panels. Or is this one of those "Both sides are bad..." arguments?
 
2012-11-08 12:57:37 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Or is this one of those "Both sides are bad..." arguments?


I find it kind of funny that a call for an intelligent discussion on difficult topics is answered with this.
 
2012-11-08 01:03:14 PM
Its not strange at all. All you have to look at is the games they played as kids.

Super Mario and other Platformers.

Pokemon in all its incarnations.

World of Warcraft and zillions of other MMOs.

Halo. Mass Effect. Doom. Minecraft. Etc, etc, etc.

These were all games you really had to stick with and work at in order to win. Not just a few hours like with namby pamby pursuits like baseball or basketball. These games took dozens or even hundreds of hours to complete, involving goals that cast a shadow over your life for weeks or months.

When you were a kid, you HAD to catch them all. You HAD to solve a hundred side quests to rescue Zelda. You HAD to find every secret in every level of the latest Mario. And the only way to do that is to stick with it for the long term.

The younger generation played these games through most of their young lives. And if there's one thing its taught them (besides awesome hand/eye coordination) is that commitment and persistence pay off in the long run. So when they committed to Obama and the Democrats, of course they were going to follow through because they understand the long game and to keep grinding up in order to get to the next level.

I have 100% confidence that the 'video game' generation is going to be the next truly great one, and this will be part of the reason why. Just wait until they get to the next level...
 
2012-11-08 01:08:07 PM

sprawl15: DirkValentine: you're dead to me.

*shrug* he actually asked serious policy questions. His answers were in crayon and drool, but these are questions that need to be considered for sound budgetary policy. I'd have loved for an adult discussion about how to deal with non-discretionary and defense spending, but instead we had both parties yelling OMG THEY ARE CUTTING MEDICARE at each other.


That's the problem with all Republicans: They only ask questions. They never have any answers.

/Plus, they only seem to ask questions when one of those people is in office.
//Y'know...a Democrat.
 
2012-11-08 01:11:07 PM

Klivian: We certainly give more than that. We have friends who are amongst the first to live their lives openly, even if we are not gay ourselves. How could I look some of my friends in the eye and say "Hey, you're great and all, but I don't think you are equal."?

We want access to abortion because we realize the tremendous impact having a child can have, financially, mentally, and physically. Many of us can't afford children thanks to the terrible economy which is preventing graduates from getting a full time job.

But, surprise surprise, only one party is in favor of these and not forcing us to bend over to pay for the boomers. And guess which way we vote


I should have been more clear, what I meant was the youth aren't tricked into voting against their own interests BY the GOP. I know very few people my age or younger who care if gays want to get married.
 
2012-11-08 01:13:09 PM

IlGreven: That's the problem with all Republicans: They only ask questions. They never have any answers.


Oh, they have plenty of answers.

Like take the problem of how to deal with gun control, especially in a political atmosphere where the most often used guns for crimes are not at all like the types that face the strictest regulation, in large part to a 'military purpose' or simply a military look. Romney had a very clear, straightforward answer: ban gay marriage and promote traditional family.
 
2012-11-08 01:16:43 PM
A straight, white, Midwestern/Southern male who is socially liberal and fiscally conservative would have moped the floor with President Obama.

In evangelical minds:
Option A) Misguided youth, but white with an (R) next too their name.
Option B) "Muslim", "non-American" who is black with a (D) next too their name.

The fact of the matter is, the the reason Millennials haven't been voting in force is because we have no one we want to vote for. I honestly can't think of a sinlge Millennial who is in Congress, and the oldest of us are hitting our late twenties. It is absolutely horrible and is firmly in the realm of taxation without representation. Our parents and grandparents are spending our wealth and assets and we do not have a single voice to say enough is enough.

If you really think about it, the Tea Party (and the rest of we Americans) have a right to be pissed. The problem was that their rage was misdirected. Honestly, the Tea Party and Occupy groups needs to join together, as they're mad for the exact same reasons.
 
2012-11-08 01:42:08 PM

sprawl15: I find it kind of funny that a call for an intelligent discussion on difficult topics is answered with this.


You didn't read the whole comment, obviously.
You have one side that is cutting Medicare waste, to the tune of $700 billion, without intentionally affecting care received.
You have another side that wants to turn the whole thing into a voucher program, yet insists nothing will change and that private insurance will jump at the chance to insure the oldest, costliest, least healthy portion of our society.
And yet you assume both are covered under "OMG THEY'RE CUTTING MEDICARE" as if the two scenarios were equal on any level?

I find it kind of funny you can string two sentences together with that kind of logic.
 
2012-11-08 01:48:48 PM
Young people not getting their news from sources that say young people can't be bothered to vote what with their twitters, facebooks and rap musics.

/film at 11
 
2012-11-08 01:55:48 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: The fact of the matter is, the the reason Millennials haven't been voting in force is because we have no one we want to vote for. I honestly can't think of a sinlge Millennial who is in Congress, and the oldest of us are hitting our late twenties. It is absolutely horrible and is firmly in the realm of taxation without representation. Our parents and grandparents are spending our wealth and assets and we do not have a single voice to say enough is enough.


My only hope is that they'll get there when they realize they need help from younger generations in their twilight years, but the younger generations will have none of that bullshiat after facing housing and educational costs 10x what their parents paid.

From personal experience, the older generations just don't understand MATH.
FiL, who graduated debt free in 1976 with help from his parents, bought a house for 40K in 1978, had two children on a single income, and has been employed by the same architecture firm for the last 20 years, thinks I'm less of a man because I paid 40K for college, can't afford a $300K house, the job market is terrible (my first job out of college got outsourced), and wonders aloud why he doesn't have grandchildren yet.
He just doesn't understand why, if I work and my wife work, why we still rent an apartment, can't afford a car, and definitely can't afford children. He seriously thinks we spend all of our money on video games and if we'd just apply ourselves, we'd get jobs that pay 2x as much.
 
2012-11-08 02:32:35 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: Honestly, the Tea Party and Occupy groups needs to join together, as they're mad for the exact same reasons.


Tragically ironic.
 
2012-11-08 03:11:31 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: You didn't read the whole comment, obviously.


No, I read it. It was just stupid and totally missing the point, just like the rest of your post.

Sergeant Grumbles: I find it kind of funny you can string two sentences together with that kind of logic.


Yeah, it's pretty amazing what strawmen are capable of these days.
 
2012-11-08 03:30:04 PM

vernonFL: To be clear, anyone opposed to rape is a"hippy pinko commie tree hugging fairysocially moderate"

 
2012-11-08 03:31:24 PM

sprawl15: DirkValentine: you're dead to me.

*shrug* he actually asked serious policy questions. His answers were in crayon and drool, but these are questions that need to be considered for sound budgetary policy. I'd have loved for an adult discussion about how to deal with non-discretionary and defense spending, but instead we had both parties yelling OMG THEY ARE CUTTING MEDICARE at each other.


I know what you meant :)

You'll always be in green no 2 to me.
 
2012-11-08 03:34:05 PM

DirkValentine: You'll always be in green no 2 to me.


uh oh

stranger danger
 
2012-11-08 04:27:42 PM

sprawl15: No, I read it.


Then there's no way you could have understood the words as they appeared. Asking for an adult discussion and then equating the side that implements a few cuts and reappropriations and the side that wants to burn the motherfarker down as both being the same OMG THEY'RE CUTTING MEDICARE whargarrbl? That doesn't make sense. So I asked if this was another one of those "both sides are bad" arguments, because that's exactly what it sounds like.
 
2012-11-08 04:56:43 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Asking for an adult discussion and then equating the side that implements a few cuts and reappropriations and the side that wants to burn the motherfarker down as both being the same OMG THEY'RE CUTTING MEDICARE whargarrbl? That doesn't make sense.


Hint: neither of those are the adult discussion being asked for.

Sergeant Grumbles: So I asked if this was another one of those "both sides are bad" arguments


No, I get that you're confused. I understand that. It's OK.
 
2012-11-08 05:07:25 PM

sprawl15: Hint: neither of those are the adult discussion being asked for. Both sides are bad.


Glad we cleared that up.
 
2012-11-08 05:09:43 PM
Sergeant Grumbles:

I'll just tag you as 'illiterate'; it should save me the trouble of expecting you to understand words in the future.
 
2012-11-08 05:19:31 PM

sprawl15: I'll just tag you as 'illiterate'; it should save me the trouble of expecting you to understand words in the future.


That's alright. You don't have to answer the initial question. I accept your snark as defeat.
 
2012-11-08 08:52:29 PM

CygnusDarius: mjohnson71: Maybe young people are getting sick and tired of the Baby Boomers destroying everything and leaving nothing for future generations?

/Gen X here

I'm guessing I'm a Millenial, then? Born in '83.

somedude210: /also, great rule of thumb: never ask for something you're not willing to reciprocate on them ^_^

The thing is, I am willing to reciprocate. Sure, it's not something I'm phenomenal at (don't get lots of practice), but c'mon.


suck the doorbell and she'll love you forever (go gentle at first, test her limits)
 
2012-11-09 09:59:45 AM

Izunbacol: There's a saying that as goes California, so goes America. California was Reagan country in the 70's. It had the extremes of the parties locked into entrenched warfare in the Assembly long before such behavior became a national phenomenon.


Meh I don't believe that crap. California isn't on the East Coast.
 
2012-11-09 12:45:44 PM

sprawl15: IlGreven: That's the problem with all Republicans: They only ask questions. They never have any answers.

Oh, they have plenty of answers.

Like take the problem of how to deal with gun control, especially in a political atmosphere where the most often used guns for crimes are not at all like the types that face the strictest regulation, in large part to a 'military purpose' or simply a military look. Romney had a very clear, straightforward answer: ban gay marriage and promote traditional family.


See, that's a response, not an answer. It's called "dodging the question".
 
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