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(Talking Points Memo)   I don't know which is stranger, that young people came out for Obama once more, or that this is the second election in a row in recent memory that young people were actually decisive   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 158
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2012-11-08 11:37:20 AM

kumanoki: DamnYankees: kumanoki: IAWTTP

wut

I agree with this thoughtful post


Be honest - you just made that up.
 
2012-11-08 11:40:33 AM

aevert: somedude210: I voted for Huntsman in super tuesday (after he quit) and I'd do it again. He was a great candidate and his rallies were pretty awesome.

Same here. I'd love to see him run again. He's the Mormon the republicans should have nominated.


He was the Republican the republicans should have nominated
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-11-08 11:42:24 AM

Doc Daneeka: DamnYankees: Again - no. Young people were not decisive. Obama won EVERY demographic except for one.

Obama won young people.
Obama won blacks.
Obama won hispanics.
Obama won asians.
Obama won women.

Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.

Hey, don't blame me. I'm an over-30 straight white dude who voted for Obama. Again.

Don't ask me what's wrong with my demographic.


I can relate to this. I think the single largest issue with our demographic is "we used to have it so much better when being white male made us the ruling class. oh, and jesus says obama is bad." It's not all, but it clearly is still a significant issue.

Just ask O'Reilly. We've lost our traditional values (of white males being at the core of everything, from congregations to banks to blue collar jobs to office managers) and whites aren't the overwhelming majority of voters to be pandered to. It'd be so much easier and comfortable if we could go back to having white males just own and run 99% of everything, right? It'd be simple to have one message sent out to all corners of the nation.
 
2012-11-08 11:44:22 AM

somedude210: aevert: somedude210: I voted for Huntsman in super tuesday (after he quit) and I'd do it again. He was a great candidate and his rallies were pretty awesome.

Same here. I'd love to see him run again. He's the Mormon the republicans should have nominated.

He was the Republican the republicans should have nominated


My guess is, for Hunstman to a candidate, there needs to be two primordial (and just as difficult) actions:

1.- Disassociate from the religious right (claim that 'they have become as a extreme as the terrorists we fight against' because it's true).
2.- Disassociate from the corrupted wealthy that have their stake in politics.
 
2012-11-08 11:44:53 AM
meh, a lot of young people voted with their wallets, just like the wealthy

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/05/dem-party-platform-college-e d ucation_n_1858987.html

Debt forgiveness? Why yes, I'll take some that.
 
2012-11-08 11:45:01 AM
 
2012-11-08 11:47:24 AM
It's called easy access to information and people are using it. You're welcome.
 
2012-11-08 11:50:05 AM

CygnusDarius: somedude210: aevert: somedude210: I voted for Huntsman in super tuesday (after he quit) and I'd do it again. He was a great candidate and his rallies were pretty awesome.

Same here. I'd love to see him run again. He's the Mormon the republicans should have nominated.

He was the Republican the republicans should have nominated

My guess is, for Hunstman to a candidate, there needs to be two primordial (and just as difficult) actions:

1.- Disassociate from the religious right (claim that 'they have become as a extreme as the terrorists we fight against' because it's true).
2.- Disassociate from the corrupted wealthy that have their stake in politics.


So...make him a Democrat?

1 is improbable (god and guns, afterall) to convince people because of how much it could screw him and 2 is possible but he'll also have to emphasize that his family made their money legitimately and aren't corrupt (basically a "good wealthy" vs "bad wealthy" fight. Which is kinda like a Huntsman vs. Romney fight)
 
2012-11-08 11:50:23 AM
What strikes me is that the Senate has been largely either Democratic or tied in recent years. The presidency usually goes Democratic. Only once since 1988 has the popular vote gone Republican, and that was in the post-9/11 mass-craziness that consumed America. Overall, the Senate largely reflects the popular vote in the presidency.

Gerrymandering in conjunction with Karl Rove's "Permanent Republican Majority" seems to have been pretty effective. It has created something of a firewall for Republicans, by putting just enough in just enough districts, while packing Democratic constituencies in concentrated districts, to keep power of the House. It has basically created a bias in favor of republicans, which holds to a certain degree as the needle shifts left. It seems to create a breaking point though, where if the needle pushes far enough left, the house switches by a large degree (see 2006).

There's a saying that as goes California, so goes America. California was Reagan country in the 70's. It had the extremes of the parties locked into entrenched warfare in the Assembly long before such behavior became a national phenomenon.
 
2012-11-08 11:50:27 AM

DamnYankees: kumanoki: DamnYankees: kumanoki: IAWTTP

wut

I agree with this thoughtful post

Be honest - you just made that up.


I tried to google the definition and Google thought I fatfingered HTTP.

But I'll enjoy the consensus.
 
2012-11-08 11:52:48 AM

Jubeebee: DamnYankees: kumanoki: DamnYankees: kumanoki: IAWTTP

wut

I agree with this thoughtful post

Be honest - you just made that up.

I tried to google the definition and Google thought I fatfingered HTTP.

But I'll enjoy the consensus.


http://www.internetslang.com/IAWTP-meaning-definition.asp
 
2012-11-08 11:55:36 AM
What I thought was more interesting (and probably because I fall into this demographic) is that the 30-somethings are sticking with the democratic platform. Republicans always assumed that we would "grow out of it and become conservatives" but that doesn't change the way they've acted. They have done nothing to deserve or contend for our support. I don't know a single person who has "switched" from their college years. (This doesn't mean everyone I know votes democratic - just that the republicans that I know from college were always republicans).
 
2012-11-08 11:57:37 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: meh, a lot of young people voted with their wallets, just like the wealthy


That's a big part of it for sure. Young people don't tend to be fooled into voting against their own interests by social issues. The youth, for the most part, couldn't give two shiats if gays want to marry or abortion remains legal.
 
2012-11-08 12:00:53 PM

DamnYankees: Again - no. Young people were not decisive. Obama won EVERY demographic except for one.

Obama won young people.
Obama won blacks.
Obama won hispanics.
Obama won asians.
Obama won women.

Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.


As a white male I happily voted for Obama.
fark fear and lies as a platform, until republicans can get to a point of honesty and having a legitimate now religion based platform they can suck it.
I can't wait to watch them become less and less relevant as time goes on.
 
2012-11-08 12:01:30 PM

CygnusDarius: My guess is, for Hunstman to a candidate, there needs to be two primordial (and just as difficult) actions:

1.- Disassociate from the religious right (claim that 'they have become as a extreme as the terrorists we fight against' because it's true).
2.- Disassociate from the corrupted wealthy that have their stake in politics.


You've explained the inevitable and rapidly approaching clash that's going to have to happen inside the GOP in order to stay relevant (#1).

#2 will never happen though, even if the GOP modernizes and tries to go back toward the center, they'll still have the backing of the wealthy.
 
2012-11-08 12:05:46 PM

nekom: Zeb Hesselgresser: meh, a lot of young people voted with their wallets, just like the wealthy

That's a big part of it for sure. Young people don't tend to be fooled into voting against their own interests by social issues. The youth, for the most part, couldn't give two shiats if gays want to marry or abortion remains legal.


wut

We certainly give more than that. We have friends who are amongst the first to live their lives openly, even if we are not gay ourselves. How could I look some of my friends in the eye and say "Hey, you're great and all, but I don't think you are equal."?

We want access to abortion because we realize the tremendous impact having a child can have, financially, mentally, and physically. Many of us can't afford children thanks to the terrible economy which is preventing graduates from getting a full time job.

But, surprise surprise, only one party is in favor of these and not forcing us to bend over to pay for the boomers. And guess which way we vote
 
2012-11-08 12:06:33 PM

ignatius_crumbcake: This is how the teabaggers respond to someone who points out that their draconian social crusade may be turning off voters:

To: sigSEGV

what the hell are you on about, the poster never made any hate comment, that line of attack you have just done is what th left does when one opposes their agenda.

Homosexuality is not normal, a man getting turned on about wanting to stick his penis up a hole where feces comes out of is not healthy, nor normal nor natural or what nature intended.
It is a perverted sex and that is it and they think they shoudl ne proud of how they have their sex and then be celebrated as if they're hero's?

We never lost the election because of talk like that we lost it due to voter fraud, a media which lied and a community of blacks who are racst and only voted based on color.

13 posted on Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:48:43 AM by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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He sure likes to describe anal sex. You know, to show how much he's opposed to it.
 
2012-11-08 12:06:57 PM

raanne: What I thought was more interesting (and probably because I fall into this demographic) is that the 30-somethings are sticking with the democratic platform. Republicans always assumed that we would "grow out of it and become conservatives" but that doesn't change the way they've acted. They have done nothing to deserve or contend for our support. I don't know a single person who has "switched" from their college years. (This doesn't mean everyone I know votes democratic - just that the republicans that I know from college were always republicans).


I think this has a lot to do with the perceptible shift right- that grudging pull that the Tea Party imposed upon the political landscape. The Democratic party, and it's candidate, have had to move right to get anything done. Why would 'moderate' 30-somethings feel the need to move right when they are already there?
 
2012-11-08 12:09:49 PM

Doc Daneeka: DamnYankees: Again - no. Young people were not decisive. Obama won EVERY demographic except for one.

Obama won young people.
Obama won blacks.
Obama won hispanics.
Obama won asians.
Obama won women.

Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.

Hey, don't blame me. I'm an over-30 straight white dude who voted for Obama. Again.

Don't ask me what's wrong with my demographic.


46 year old straight white male here. College Republican. Voted for Reagan in my first election. Still thinks GW1 was underrated.

Voted for Obama (and Casey).

Fark you Republicans- you can have my vote back when you return to sanity.
 
2012-11-08 12:10:01 PM

Coolfusis: BunkyBrewman: Coolfusis: gopher321: I guess those Occupy Wall Street mofos knew exactly where the real blame lied.

And a lot of us worked with campus organizations to register and drive people to the polls. I live in a deeply red, rural part of Texas, and the looks on the volunteer's faces when cars full of teen/early 20's voters came in was pretty priceless.

/bonus: the majority of them were black or female
//not by our design
///guess people get offended when you shiat all over them for your campaign platform

That must have brought a broad grin across your mug.

One can only imagine the looks on their faces when they've realized their cunning plan may not work. It's a bit easier for a group of young people to simply hop in a car and drive down to the polling station. Can't exactly do that with the older crowd.


What I felt like:
[farm3.staticflickr.com image 500x252]

The best part is knowing none of them can say anything against it openly, or risk sounding like they don't like people being involved in democracy. Even down here, that's a no-no.


No, but they WILL be willing to tell all their friends the next day about this suspicious group of INNER CITY young welfare moms who were driving from poll place to poll place voting multiple times and they even tried to come back to THEIR polling place three times and they had to tell them to leave because they were only allowed to vote at that station once and it was oh so scary so they gave them just about three fivvy to leave.
 
2012-11-08 12:11:00 PM
Homosexuality is not normal, a man getting turned on about wanting to stick his penis up a hole where feces comes out of is not healthy, nor normal nor natural or what nature intended.



Begs his girlfriend to let him go in the back door.
 
2012-11-08 12:14:43 PM
i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-08 12:18:08 PM

busy chillin': Homosexuality is not normal, a man getting turned on about wanting to stick his penis up a hole where feces comes out of is not healthy, nor normal nor natural or what nature intended.



Begs his girlfriend to let him go in the back door.


Sorry, but, as a guy, what's up with anal? I mean, sure, I appreciate the backdoor entry when I get the chance to hop in, but, I've never asked to go in.

/Then again
//I've yet to know a woman that likes giving head
///Sure, all love when one goes down, but when you ask :/
 
2012-11-08 12:21:24 PM

Izunbacol: The presidency usually goes Democratic.


No, it doesn't. There have been 24 presidential elections held since 1920; Democrats have won 12 and the Republicans have won 12. Even if we limit it to the modern era - 1960 onwards - it's 7 and 7.

Democrats: Roosevelt in 1932, 1936, 1940 and 1944, Truman in 1948, Kennedy in 1960, Johnson in 1964, Carter in 1976, Clinton in 1992 and 1996, and Obama in 2008 and 2012.
Republicans: Harding in 1920, Coolidge in 1924, Hoover in 1928, Eisenhower in 1952 and 1956, Nixon in 1968 and 1972, Reagan in 1980 and 1984, H. W. Bush in 1988, W. Bush in 2000 and 2004.
 
2012-11-08 12:22:00 PM

thurstonxhowell: If we could just get young people to realize that we have elections every 2 years, not 4, we'd be in pretty good shape.


And that you have to do it again, and Again, And AGAIN, AND AGAIN!

This is not a set it and forget it preference on your email account. There is no adblocker addin. You have to keep clicking "No I don't want that, I want nice things".

Otherwise the crazies win, and we get to pick up the tab.
 
2012-11-08 12:22:23 PM

CygnusDarius: busy chillin': Homosexuality is not normal, a man getting turned on about wanting to stick his penis up a hole where feces comes out of is not healthy, nor normal nor natural or what nature intended.



Begs his girlfriend to let him go in the back door.

Sorry, but, as a guy, what's up with anal? I mean, sure, I appreciate the backdoor entry when I get the chance to hop in, but, I've never asked to go in.

/Then again
//I've yet to know a woman that likes giving head
///Sure, all love when one goes down, but when you ask :/


you should meet my girlfriend ^_^

/also, great rule of thumb: never ask for something you're not willing to reciprocate on them ^_^
 
2012-11-08 12:22:35 PM
Maybe young people are getting sick and tired of the Baby Boomers destroying everything and leaving nothing for future generations?

/Gen X here
 
2012-11-08 12:23:12 PM

CygnusDarius: busy chillin': Homosexuality is not normal, a man getting turned on about wanting to stick his penis up a hole where feces comes out of is not healthy, nor normal nor natural or what nature intended.



Begs his girlfriend to let him go in the back door.

Sorry, but, as a guy, what's up with anal? I mean, sure, I appreciate the backdoor entry when I get the chance to hop in, but, I've never asked to go in.

/Then again
//I've yet to know a woman that likes giving head
///Sure, all love when one goes down, but when you ask :/


You need to start dating a better class of lady. I've known more than a couple girls who prefer that 'other' way over traditional sex.

Also: selfish girls are bad lovers. Give and take when it comes to oral lovins.
 
2012-11-08 12:23:34 PM
We would, bu

SilentStrider: Congrats democrats. You're starting to tap a previously untapped resource.

Don't blow it.
Nominate someone in 2016 who can also tap this resource.


But Bill Clinton's already served his two terms.

/ Here all week.
// Avoid the veal, try the calamari
/// White people are lame
 
2012-11-08 12:29:11 PM

Slaves2Darkness: I guess most older farks just don't listen or work with people under 30. Now maybe my sample set is self selecting as I work with a lot of younger folks through charitable organizations that I participate in, but they impress me. They are hard working, motivate, intelligent, knowledgeable, and want to participate in society.

It is no surprise they came out and voted, no surprise they vote Obama and the Democrats as they also are pro-health care, pro-choice, pro-marriage equality and desperate for a good economy. Romney and the Republicans offered nothing that would appeal to anybody under 30.


I'm not sure your experiences are uncommon. With company loyalty at an all-time low among employees, the shipping of millions of manufacturing jobs overseas that once provided with stable paths of advancement, and especially just recently the Great Recession acting as a cut-off between young, inexperienced workers and older, experienced workers, there is a huge gulf between the two. And given that business's disincentive to train up new hires rather than hire an experienced worker/cog, and you have two almost completely different workplace worlds.

Even before the recession, I worked through college in food service and retail. It never seemed to fail, in over nine years of working, that there was one or two people over 30, general manager and the like, to watch over all the teens and twenty somethings. Those general managers, even if they didn't like their workers, understood if their job got done.
Then there were the corporate types, regional managers and such, generally 40 or older, who were convinced that every college-aged kid was stealing from them, intentionally getting hurt, intentionally wasting product, and there was no fact, balance sheet, or profit margin to convince them otherwise.

CSB: I worked for a chain restaurant whose general manager was convicted of fraud (cutting paychecks to make the store's numbers look better). The assistant manager was a 26 year old girl with a master's in psychology and bachelor's in french language whom had taught at the local college until the recession saw her laid off. The 40-something district manager, whose greatest achievement was graduating high school had her run the store for six months while refusing to promote her to general manager, finally outright saying that he didn't trust her to get the job done and replacing her with another GM who had no college education whatsoever. He at least turned out to be nice...
 
2012-11-08 12:29:38 PM

sprawl15: ignatius_crumbcake: Many of the republican points about the debt and spending and entitlement programs are not wrong. Overblown perhaps, and definitely hypocritical given their position on defense spending, but not wrong.

The problem with the (non-insane) portion of the GOP can best be summed up by RONPAUL: they can find the problems, they can point to them and explain how they are dire situations that need to be fixed, but their solutions either don't exist or exacerbate the problem. There are serious issues, and there are very politically risky moves that must be taken to solve them. The simplest one to explain is how Medicare + Medicaid + SS + Defense > revenues for any given year. Those four are considered untouchable, yet with only those we'd still run a deficit.

That's one reason I begrudgingly had a bit of respect for Paul Ryan; his solutions were certainly farking insane, but he was at least admitting to the problems and trying to do something about it. I was really hoping there would be a larger discussion about how to reduce Medicare/Medicaid/SS spending, but the Romney campaign decided to just jerk themselves off about Obama's Medicare spending cuts and then push more military spending. Totally the opposite.

I'd love to see Obama leverage his lame duck status to make some serious changes in those departments, but I have a feeling they're so toxic that even if he wanted to he'd poison the well for Democrats in '16 and beyond.



you're dead to me.
 
2012-11-08 12:29:59 PM

somedude210: CygnusDarius: busy chillin': Homosexuality is not normal, a man getting turned on about wanting to stick his penis up a hole where feces comes out of is not healthy, nor normal nor natural or what nature intended.



Begs his girlfriend to let him go in the back door.

Sorry, but, as a guy, what's up with anal? I mean, sure, I appreciate the backdoor entry when I get the chance to hop in, but, I've never asked to go in.

/Then again
//I've yet to know a woman that likes giving head
///Sure, all love when one goes down, but when you ask :/

you should meet my girlfriend ^_^

/also, great rule of thumb: never ask for something you're not willing to reciprocate on them ^_^


Ok, how often do you suck your lady's dick?
 
2012-11-08 12:31:02 PM

mjohnson71: Maybe young people are getting sick and tired of the Baby Boomers destroying everything and leaving nothing for future generations?

/Gen X here


I'm guessing I'm a Millenial, then? Born in '83.

somedude210: /also, great rule of thumb: never ask for something you're not willing to reciprocate on them ^_^


The thing is, I am willing to reciprocate. Sure, it's not something I'm phenomenal at (don't get lots of practice), but c'mon.
 
2012-11-08 12:32:32 PM

Klivian: Ok, how often do you suck your lady's dick?


venturefans.org
 
2012-11-08 12:36:55 PM

DirkValentine: you're dead to me.


*shrug* he actually asked serious policy questions. His answers were in crayon and drool, but these are questions that need to be considered for sound budgetary policy. I'd have loved for an adult discussion about how to deal with non-discretionary and defense spending, but instead we had both parties yelling OMG THEY ARE CUTTING MEDICARE at each other.
 
2012-11-08 12:45:06 PM

sprawl15: I'd have loved for an adult discussion about how to deal with non-discretionary and defense spending, but instead we had both parties yelling OMG THEY ARE CUTTING MEDICARE at each other.


I'm pretty sure we had one party trimming what fat they could from Medicare and the other comparing it to death panels. Or is this one of those "Both sides are bad..." arguments?
 
2012-11-08 12:57:37 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Or is this one of those "Both sides are bad..." arguments?


I find it kind of funny that a call for an intelligent discussion on difficult topics is answered with this.
 
2012-11-08 01:03:14 PM
Its not strange at all. All you have to look at is the games they played as kids.

Super Mario and other Platformers.

Pokemon in all its incarnations.

World of Warcraft and zillions of other MMOs.

Halo. Mass Effect. Doom. Minecraft. Etc, etc, etc.

These were all games you really had to stick with and work at in order to win. Not just a few hours like with namby pamby pursuits like baseball or basketball. These games took dozens or even hundreds of hours to complete, involving goals that cast a shadow over your life for weeks or months.

When you were a kid, you HAD to catch them all. You HAD to solve a hundred side quests to rescue Zelda. You HAD to find every secret in every level of the latest Mario. And the only way to do that is to stick with it for the long term.

The younger generation played these games through most of their young lives. And if there's one thing its taught them (besides awesome hand/eye coordination) is that commitment and persistence pay off in the long run. So when they committed to Obama and the Democrats, of course they were going to follow through because they understand the long game and to keep grinding up in order to get to the next level.

I have 100% confidence that the 'video game' generation is going to be the next truly great one, and this will be part of the reason why. Just wait until they get to the next level...
 
2012-11-08 01:08:07 PM

sprawl15: DirkValentine: you're dead to me.

*shrug* he actually asked serious policy questions. His answers were in crayon and drool, but these are questions that need to be considered for sound budgetary policy. I'd have loved for an adult discussion about how to deal with non-discretionary and defense spending, but instead we had both parties yelling OMG THEY ARE CUTTING MEDICARE at each other.


That's the problem with all Republicans: They only ask questions. They never have any answers.

/Plus, they only seem to ask questions when one of those people is in office.
//Y'know...a Democrat.
 
2012-11-08 01:11:07 PM

Klivian: We certainly give more than that. We have friends who are amongst the first to live their lives openly, even if we are not gay ourselves. How could I look some of my friends in the eye and say "Hey, you're great and all, but I don't think you are equal."?

We want access to abortion because we realize the tremendous impact having a child can have, financially, mentally, and physically. Many of us can't afford children thanks to the terrible economy which is preventing graduates from getting a full time job.

But, surprise surprise, only one party is in favor of these and not forcing us to bend over to pay for the boomers. And guess which way we vote


I should have been more clear, what I meant was the youth aren't tricked into voting against their own interests BY the GOP. I know very few people my age or younger who care if gays want to get married.
 
2012-11-08 01:13:09 PM

IlGreven: That's the problem with all Republicans: They only ask questions. They never have any answers.


Oh, they have plenty of answers.

Like take the problem of how to deal with gun control, especially in a political atmosphere where the most often used guns for crimes are not at all like the types that face the strictest regulation, in large part to a 'military purpose' or simply a military look. Romney had a very clear, straightforward answer: ban gay marriage and promote traditional family.
 
2012-11-08 01:16:43 PM
A straight, white, Midwestern/Southern male who is socially liberal and fiscally conservative would have moped the floor with President Obama.

In evangelical minds:
Option A) Misguided youth, but white with an (R) next too their name.
Option B) "Muslim", "non-American" who is black with a (D) next too their name.

The fact of the matter is, the the reason Millennials haven't been voting in force is because we have no one we want to vote for. I honestly can't think of a sinlge Millennial who is in Congress, and the oldest of us are hitting our late twenties. It is absolutely horrible and is firmly in the realm of taxation without representation. Our parents and grandparents are spending our wealth and assets and we do not have a single voice to say enough is enough.

If you really think about it, the Tea Party (and the rest of we Americans) have a right to be pissed. The problem was that their rage was misdirected. Honestly, the Tea Party and Occupy groups needs to join together, as they're mad for the exact same reasons.
 
2012-11-08 01:42:08 PM

sprawl15: I find it kind of funny that a call for an intelligent discussion on difficult topics is answered with this.


You didn't read the whole comment, obviously.
You have one side that is cutting Medicare waste, to the tune of $700 billion, without intentionally affecting care received.
You have another side that wants to turn the whole thing into a voucher program, yet insists nothing will change and that private insurance will jump at the chance to insure the oldest, costliest, least healthy portion of our society.
And yet you assume both are covered under "OMG THEY'RE CUTTING MEDICARE" as if the two scenarios were equal on any level?

I find it kind of funny you can string two sentences together with that kind of logic.
 
2012-11-08 01:48:48 PM
Young people not getting their news from sources that say young people can't be bothered to vote what with their twitters, facebooks and rap musics.

/film at 11
 
2012-11-08 01:55:48 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: The fact of the matter is, the the reason Millennials haven't been voting in force is because we have no one we want to vote for. I honestly can't think of a sinlge Millennial who is in Congress, and the oldest of us are hitting our late twenties. It is absolutely horrible and is firmly in the realm of taxation without representation. Our parents and grandparents are spending our wealth and assets and we do not have a single voice to say enough is enough.


My only hope is that they'll get there when they realize they need help from younger generations in their twilight years, but the younger generations will have none of that bullshiat after facing housing and educational costs 10x what their parents paid.

From personal experience, the older generations just don't understand MATH.
FiL, who graduated debt free in 1976 with help from his parents, bought a house for 40K in 1978, had two children on a single income, and has been employed by the same architecture firm for the last 20 years, thinks I'm less of a man because I paid 40K for college, can't afford a $300K house, the job market is terrible (my first job out of college got outsourced), and wonders aloud why he doesn't have grandchildren yet.
He just doesn't understand why, if I work and my wife work, why we still rent an apartment, can't afford a car, and definitely can't afford children. He seriously thinks we spend all of our money on video games and if we'd just apply ourselves, we'd get jobs that pay 2x as much.
 
2012-11-08 02:32:35 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: Honestly, the Tea Party and Occupy groups needs to join together, as they're mad for the exact same reasons.


Tragically ironic.
 
2012-11-08 03:11:31 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: You didn't read the whole comment, obviously.


No, I read it. It was just stupid and totally missing the point, just like the rest of your post.

Sergeant Grumbles: I find it kind of funny you can string two sentences together with that kind of logic.


Yeah, it's pretty amazing what strawmen are capable of these days.
 
2012-11-08 03:30:04 PM

vernonFL: To be clear, anyone opposed to rape is a"hippy pinko commie tree hugging fairysocially moderate"

 
2012-11-08 03:31:24 PM

sprawl15: DirkValentine: you're dead to me.

*shrug* he actually asked serious policy questions. His answers were in crayon and drool, but these are questions that need to be considered for sound budgetary policy. I'd have loved for an adult discussion about how to deal with non-discretionary and defense spending, but instead we had both parties yelling OMG THEY ARE CUTTING MEDICARE at each other.


I know what you meant :)

You'll always be in green no 2 to me.
 
2012-11-08 03:34:05 PM

DirkValentine: You'll always be in green no 2 to me.


uh oh

stranger danger
 
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