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(Talking Points Memo)   I don't know which is stranger, that young people came out for Obama once more, or that this is the second election in a row in recent memory that young people were actually decisive   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 158
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2012-11-08 11:07:48 AM  

DamnYankees: By the way, if anyone wants some serious schadenfraude, list to this clip of Dennis Prager on the election:

Link

As part of his depressed rant, he goes on about how the GOP didn't do enough to say that young people are being burdened with debt, and how stupid young people are for voting for liberals. I can't tell you how much joy I got out of this insanity.


So, I was listening to Fox News radio all day yesterday and boy are they angry.
 
2012-11-08 11:08:40 AM  

RexTalionis: So, I was listening to Fox News radio all day yesterday and boy are they angry.


Its not the anger I love. It's the depressed mood, the "I can't believe people did this" attitude, the "Americans are so dumb, they will burn for their sins" stuff. I JUST LOVE IT SO MUCH.
 
2012-11-08 11:08:51 AM  

Aarontology: We're coming for you, old people.

Be afraid.


It's about farkin' time. Speaking for all of us progressives over the age of fifty, we're getting tired - it's your turn to step up.

SilentStrider: Congrats democrats. You're starting to tap a previously untapped resource.

Don't blow it.
Nominate someone in 2016 who can also tap this resource.


I hear a lot of enthusiasm over Elizabeth Warren, especially (but by no means exclusively) among women.
 
2012-11-08 11:09:20 AM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: As a 26 year old who didn't vote for Obama in 08, I gladly punched my ballot for him this go around. Partly because I think he's done a great job but mostly because the Republicans/Tea Party is literally trying to re-write history in front of us and pretend like I don't remember their actions and words over the past 10 years. It's sickening...


It's amazing how the cons fail to grasp how a lot of the Dem voting was people going "fark your teabag of lies". Obama at least acts like a statesman instead of just derping and lying. I would have voted for a right of center guy who was moderate on social issues over Obama, but the Reps forced my hand and the nice chocolate man received my vote.
 
2012-11-08 11:09:34 AM  
Nothing strange about old rich white people dying off.
 
2012-11-08 11:09:48 AM  

somedude210: Diogenes: BunkyBrewman: somedude210: SilentStrider: Congrats democrats. You're starting to tap a previously untapped resource.

Don't blow it.
Nominate someone in 2016 who can also tap this resource.

Who, exactly?

/Huntsman 2016!

That was the guy they should have nominated. (or Gary Johnson before he bailed in December '11)

My 24 year old cousin - successful, works for KPMG with their banking customers - voted for Johnson. I wonder if he told my uncle.

I voted for Huntsman in super tuesday (after he quit) and I'd do it again. He was a great candidate and his rallies were pretty awesome.

/sad Huntsman


Unless Huntsman is going to change from an R to a D, he hasn't got a prayer in primaries, this is what happens when a party encourages ignorance.
 
2012-11-08 11:10:15 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Huntsman is crazy conservative. He doesn't come across as so because he refuses to foam at the mouth.


Those two statements do not go together. Foaming santorum at the mouth is the defining characteristic of the conservative.
 
2012-11-08 11:10:58 AM  
That's not strange at all. Remember when the GOP primary was crazy, stupid, douchebag, bigot, not a chance, showboat, forget about it, crazy, and liar? This thing's been in the bag for Obama for over a year.
 
2012-11-08 11:11:08 AM  

RexTalionis: DamnYankees: By the way, if anyone wants some serious schadenfraude, list to this clip of Dennis Prager on the election:

Link

As part of his depressed rant, he goes on about how the GOP didn't do enough to say that young people are being burdened with debt, and how stupid young people are for voting for liberals. I can't tell you how much joy I got out of this insanity.

So, I was listening to Fox News radio all day yesterday and boy are they angry.


Of course. It reminds me of the ACA ruling; the right wing media was positive they were going to win, to the point of being barely able to conceive a scenario in which they did not win. They've even got a new "turncoat" this time; instead of John Roberts it's Chris Christie.
 
2012-11-08 11:11:49 AM  

DamnYankees: Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.


Which is a sea change from the past, when 60% support of white men meant Republican landslides. Now it's not enough to even win.
 
2012-11-08 11:12:53 AM  

qorkfiend: Of course. It reminds me of the ACA ruling; the right wing media was positive they were going to win, to the point of being barely able to conceive a scenario in which they did not win. They've even got a new "turncoat" this time; instead of John Roberts it's Chris Christie.


I tried explaining to a family member how if the governor of New Jersey can sink you a week before the election, you have a serious underlying problem. That just triggered a derp storm. Once the anger face of this is over, the Republican strategists better get their shiat together or they'll be handing Dems both Houses in 2014.
 
2012-11-08 11:12:56 AM  
1. Voting is a habit. The statistics all show that it's like sex: you may wait awhile to do it for the first time, but once you do, you tend to do it fairly regularly after that.

2. The GOP scared the hell out of everyone under 30, especially from 2005 on.

3. QED, all the young folks voted for Obama in 08, and both they and their younger siblings/younger friends voted this year. Expect to see it happen in 2016 too.

Until and unless the GOP ditches what we might call the 'crazy old white evangelicals who listen to Rush and Beck' wing, they will continue to be nothing more than the party of crazy old white evangelicals. And they will continue to lose at a national level, while winning fewer and fewer state races as well.
 
2012-11-08 11:14:18 AM  

thurstonxhowell: That's not strange at all. Remember when the GOP primary was crazy, stupid, douchebag, bigot, not a chance, showboat, forget about it, crazy, and liar? This thing's been in the bag for Obama for over a year.


I think that was the logical conclusion but the way the right wing media was acting even up till the day before the election was that Romney was going to win and possibly win big. Even knowing it is total bullshiat their confidence shakes yours in the electorate.
 
2012-11-08 11:14:32 AM  

DamnYankees: RexTalionis: So, I was listening to Fox News radio all day yesterday and boy are they angry.

Its not the anger I love. It's the depressed mood, the "I can't believe people did this" attitude, the "Americans are so dumb, they will burn for their sins" stuff. I JUST LOVE IT SO MUCH.


The even funnier thing is that they kept repeating the mantra that the US is a center-right country.

Well, no, apparently not. 35% of the electorate identify themselves as conservative. 24% (or roundabouts) identify themselves as liberal. 40% identify themselves as "moderates."

But the thing is, conservatives have made the word "liberal" so dirty that most of those moderates are actually liberals who didn't want to self-identify.
 
2012-11-08 11:14:36 AM  

RexTalionis: The even more interesting thing is that Obama did better among people in their 30s. All those late 20-something voters in 2008 came back and voted for him again.


Why wouldn't they? Sure there were a bunch of starry eyed college kids who had it in their heads that he was going to ride into Washington on a white horse and bash in the skulls of his political opponents and feast on the goo inside. Sure they may have been a BIT disappointed that he wasn't the Che Guevera they expected him to be. But honestly, in how many cases would that slight disenchantment in any way lead to "Romney, now THAT is the answer!"?

He wasn't my ideal candidate, Jill Stein would be that. But between him and Romney (our unfortunate but realistic choice), it's pretty clear.

/32
//voted for Obama twice
 
2012-11-08 11:14:48 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: somedude210: Nah, Huntsman was too moderate.

Huntsman is crazy conservative. He doesn't come across as so because he refuses to foam at the mouth.


He's for civil unions, against DADT, wanted the military to focus on the navy and spec-ops instead of occupational forces (which was adopted as policy by Obama shortly there after), understands that China is not someone we should be starting a trade war with, believes in science and evolution, wanted Congressional term-limits, bipartisan and is an actual decent guy with really hot wife/daughters.

Now, maybe he'll be the Republican Carter, but if given the choice between him and the Santorums/Romneys/Newts of the party, I will give up my left nut if it means that we can have a party of Huntsmans instead of the tea partier alternative.
 
2012-11-08 11:17:13 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Us young people are getting sick and tired of you old people and your failed, bigoted policies. Get out of the way already.


I'm 55, my mom amd dad are 80 and 75.I voted Obama and so did they.We have voted democratic all our lives,everybody else I know who is my age voted for Obama. Maybe you shouldn't be too quick to judge whole generations.
 
2012-11-08 11:18:03 AM  

coco ebert: I just find it astonishing that our country has moved SO far to the right that accepting evolution is considered social moderation. That SCIENCE is a sign of moderation. No, I refuse the very presentation of that as moderation. That should be the default.


Agreed. I don't know who is going to run for the Democrats in 2016, but I hope an actual progressive gets nominated in response to the expected shift to the center by the GOP. Obama will help move the country forward, but he's a centrist at heart.
 
2012-11-08 11:18:14 AM  
I think we can assume that the myth of 'young people don't care the issues' can be safely put to rest.
 
2012-11-08 11:18:50 AM  

ha-ha-guy: I would have voted for a right of center guy who was moderate on social issues over Obama


So you'd vote for Obama over Obama?

/Seriously, look at his policies, Obama's the best post-civil rights movement Republican president you've ever had.
 
2012-11-08 11:19:14 AM  

ha-ha-guy: I tried explaining to a family member how if the governor of New Jersey can sink you a week before the election, you have a serious underlying problem. That just triggered a derp storm. Once the anger face of this is over, the Republican strategists better get their shiat together or they'll be handing Dems both Houses in 2014.


Not to mention looking down the barrel of another supermajority in the Senate, the presidency (obviously), and enough SCOTUS appointments to flip the court for at least another 10-20 years at a time when numerous landmark rulings are sure to come down the pike.
 
2012-11-08 11:19:32 AM  
Maybe the younger generation is just sick of the shiat they're seeing the older generation do and want to change it finally?
 
2012-11-08 11:20:34 AM  

DamnYankees: Again - no. Young people were not decisive. Obama won EVERY demographic except for one.

Obama won young people.
Obama won blacks.
Obama won hispanics.
Obama won asians.
Obama won women.

Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.


Hey, don't blame me. I'm an over-30 straight white dude who voted for Obama. Again.

Don't ask me what's wrong with my demographic.
 
2012-11-08 11:22:30 AM  

DamnYankees: By the way, if anyone wants some serious schadenfraude, list to this clip of Dennis Prager on the election:

Link

As part of his depressed rant, he goes on about how the GOP didn't do enough to say that young people are being burdened with debt, and how stupid young people are for voting for liberals. I can't tell you how much joy I got out of this insanity.


These people still believe the majority of American's are conservative Christians. They need to re-evaluate their whole approach.


So I kept listening and he says "Any young person who votes left is a fool."

Yep, no war on young people.

lulz
 
2012-11-08 11:23:28 AM  

busy chillin': These people still believe the majority of American's are conservative Christians. They need to re-evaluate their whole approach.


Prager is Jewish, FWIW. But he's bought into the "Judeo-Christian" bullshiat.
 
2012-11-08 11:24:01 AM  

that bosnian sniper: ha-ha-guy: I tried explaining to a family member how if the governor of New Jersey can sink you a week before the election, you have a serious underlying problem. That just triggered a derp storm. Once the anger face of this is over, the Republican strategists better get their shiat together or they'll be handing Dems both Houses in 2014.

Not to mention looking down the barrel of another supermajority in the Senate, the presidency (obviously), and enough SCOTUS appointments to flip the court for at least another 10-20 years at a time when numerous landmark rulings are sure to come down the pike.


The scary thing is that is is bad for the country for be in a situation where Party A is intelligent and Party B is moronic. There is always the threat that Party A gets too comfortable and starts to drift in extremist directions or get corrupt due to a lack of a challenge. You can your opposition to be keeping the ruling party on its toes. If the Reps just sit around with the old angry white folk and die off, it means the Dems don't have to work as hard to please the other voting blocs since they aren't being challenged for control of them.
 
2012-11-08 11:24:08 AM  

shastacola: The My Little Pony Killer: Us young people are getting sick and tired of you old people and your failed, bigoted policies. Get out of the way already.

I'm 55, my mom amd dad are 80 and 75.I voted Obama and so did they.We have voted democratic all our lives,everybody else I know who is my age voted for Obama. Maybe you shouldn't be too quick to judge whole generations.


I actually have the sense that people 10-15 younger than us tend, on average, to be more conservative than most of our cohort. No data, mind you, but a gut feeling.
 
2012-11-08 11:24:14 AM  
If we could just get young people to realize that we have elections every 2 years, not 4, we'd be in pretty good shape.
 
2012-11-08 11:24:41 AM  

whistleridge: 1. Voting is a habit. The statistics all show that it's like sex: you may wait awhile to do it for the first time, but once you do, you tend to do it fairly regularly after that.

2. The GOP scared the hell out of everyone under 30, especially from 2005 on.

3. QED, all the young folks voted for Obama in 08, and both they and their younger siblings/younger friends voted this year. Expect to see it happen in 2016 too.

Until and unless the GOP ditches what we might call the 'crazy old white evangelicals who listen to Rush and Beck' wing, they will continue to be nothing more than the party of crazy old white evangelicals. And they will continue to lose at a national level, while winning fewer and fewer state races as well.


Unfortunately, due to gerrymandering after the census, the GOP will be fairly well entrenched in the House until the next go around in 2020. Projections are that around 2020 is when we will also see enough of a Hispanic population increase to turn parts of the South (namely Texas) move purple. 2024 it may well go blue. It won't be until around then that the Republicans really begin to wither and die (assuming they don't change course)
 
2012-11-08 11:24:47 AM  
I guess most older farks just don't listen or work with people under 30. Now maybe my sample set is self selecting as I work with a lot of younger folks through charitable organizations that I participate in, but they impress me. They are hard working, motivate, intelligent, knowledgeable, and want to participate in society.

It is no surprise they came out and voted, no surprise they vote Obama and the Democrats as they also are pro-health care, pro-choice, pro-marriage equality and desperate for a good economy. Romney and the Republicans offered nothing that would appeal to anybody under 30.
 
2012-11-08 11:24:54 AM  
Hmm, young people want Social Security to be there when they get old, and they don't want to be 70 to start collecting it. I guess they think Medicare would be nice, too. For some reason they think the extremely wealthy shouldn't be getting tax breaks when taxes are historically low and these programs are on the chopping block because of it.

/The youth of today is so lazy and entitled and wants stuff and things
//Or something
 
2012-11-08 11:25:52 AM  

somedude210: I voted for Huntsman in super tuesday (after he quit) and I'd do it again. He was a great candidate and his rallies were pretty awesome.


Same here. I'd love to see him run again. He's the Mormon the republicans should have nominated.
 
2012-11-08 11:26:00 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Hey, don't blame me. I'm an over-30 straight white dude who voted for Obama. Again.


White guilt is the only explanation.......right?



/over 40 who voted Obama as well. R's are broken.
 
2012-11-08 11:26:16 AM  

Klivian: Unfortunately, due to gerrymandering after the census, the GOP will be fairly well entrenched in the House until the next go around in 2020. Projections are that around 2020 is when we will also see enough of a Hispanic population increase to turn parts of the South (namely Texas) move purple. 2024 it may well go blue. It won't be until around then that the Republicans really begin to wither and die (assuming they don't change course)


Exactly right. The reason the GOP held the House was basically because of gerrymandering. Not popularity.
 
2012-11-08 11:26:34 AM  

Doc Daneeka: DamnYankees: Again - no. Young people were not decisive. Obama won EVERY demographic except for one.

Obama won young people.
Obama won blacks.
Obama won hispanics.
Obama won asians.
Obama won women.

Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.

Hey, don't blame me. I'm an over-30 straight white dude who voted for Obama. Again.

Don't ask me what's wrong with my demographic.


Scared of a black man having control over them?
 
2012-11-08 11:27:14 AM  

Jubeebee: coco ebert: I just find it astonishing that our country has moved SO far to the right that accepting evolution is considered social moderation. That SCIENCE is a sign of moderation. No, I refuse the very presentation of that as moderation. That should be the default.

Agreed. I don't know who is going to run for the Democrats in 2016, but I hope an actual progressive gets nominated in response to the expected shift to the center by the GOP. Obama will help move the country forward, but he's a centrist at heart.


IAWTTP. However, I think this goes back to education. A sea change in attitudes to the left will follow a solid foundation of education. It's just a shame that science education and education in general have been so eroded in the past two decades.
 
2012-11-08 11:27:46 AM  

kumanoki: IAWTTP


wut
 
2012-11-08 11:28:22 AM  

DamnYankees: busy chillin': These people still believe the majority of American's are conservative Christians. They need to re-evaluate their whole approach.

Prager is Jewish, FWIW. But he's bought into the "Judeo-Christian" bullshiat.


I didn't know that...but yeah, many Americans are losing their religions and actually believe in Freedom. Freedom of choice, freedom to love who you want. The old school religious dogma is dying and they better get on board...who they will never win again.

I actually believe the government needs to be more fiscally conservative, but Romney wasn't anywhere near the guy I would have or could have voted for. But the Republicans have drawn such a line in the sand and I just can't be on their side. And I'm okay with this.
 
2012-11-08 11:29:20 AM  

BMulligan: shastacola: The My Little Pony Killer: Us young people are getting sick and tired of you old people and your failed, bigoted policies. Get out of the way already.

I'm 55, my mom amd dad are 80 and 75.I voted Obama and so did they.We have voted democratic all our lives,everybody else I know who is my age voted for Obama. Maybe you shouldn't be too quick to judge whole generations.

I actually have the sense that people 10-15 younger than us tend, on average, to be more conservative than most of our cohort. No data, mind you, but a gut feeling.


I agree. Forty something seems to be the age where if you're going to get that "fark you,I've got mine" attitude and start voting for the stupid party,that is the turning point. How anyone feels good about voting for ignorance is beyond me.
 
2012-11-08 11:29:27 AM  

thurstonxhowell: If we could just get young people to realize that we have elections every 2 years, not 4, we'd be in pretty good shape.


The Dems should immediately begin hammering home the idea that if you want a more efficient recovery, congress is needed to participate. Then, play some tape of McConnell being a douchebag... and say if congress isn't willing to be bi-partisan, then it's up to the voters to vote in candidates that will participate in responsible governance.
 
2012-11-08 11:30:04 AM  
juliacomedy.com

Curses! Foiled again!
 
2012-11-08 11:30:34 AM  
I hear this, and I keep thinking of the quote from Winston Churchill "Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains", which goes perfectly well with people like Ted Nugent.

Don't who the generation that was key for this victory (I'm 29 so I don't think I fully fit) fits, but I wish them no ill, and the best of luck.
 
2012-11-08 11:32:00 AM  

DamnYankees: kumanoki: IAWTTP

wut


I agree with this thoughtful post
 
2012-11-08 11:32:01 AM  

coco ebert: I just find it astonishing that our country has moved SO far to the right that accepting evolution is considered social moderation.



Woodrow Wilson, elected 100 years ago this week: "Of course, like every other man of intelligence and education I do believe in organic evolution. It surprises me that at this late date such questions should be raised. "
 
2012-11-08 11:32:18 AM  
I'm 24, and even though I like to think I'm a left-leaning centrist, it was a pretty easy choice for me to make.

Like it or not, the economy is heading in the right direction under Obama and Romney did absolutely NOTHING to convince me that he would do anything more but return to the failed GOP policies of the 2000's.

That and you had a Senate Candidate who doesn't even know basic biology and it made the choice even easier.

Unless the GOP ditches the crazies who are trying to take over the party, they aren't getting my vote for a long time.
 
2012-11-08 11:32:44 AM  

DamnYankees: Again - no. Young people were not decisive. Obama won EVERY demographic except for one.

Obama won young people.
Obama won blacks.
Obama won hispanics.
Obama won asians.
Obama won women.

Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.


Romney won white women too, although by about six or seven points less than white men.
 
2012-11-08 11:33:10 AM  

DamnYankees: Again - no. Young people were not decisive. Obama won EVERY demographic except for one.

Obama won young people.
Obama won blacks.
Obama won hispanics.
Obama won asians.
Obama won women.

Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.


They dream that someday a white male will be elected president.
 
2012-11-08 11:34:45 AM  

Geotpf: DamnYankees: Again - no. Young people were not decisive. Obama won EVERY demographic except for one.

Obama won young people.
Obama won blacks.
Obama won hispanics.
Obama won asians.
Obama won women.

Romney won a single group - white men. The only decisive aspect of this election is that white men decisively kept it close.

Romney won white women too, although by about six or seven points less than white men.


The hilarious thing here in MO was that the white women who voted for Romney also voted for McCaskill.
 
2012-11-08 11:36:03 AM  

Klivian:
Unfortunately, due to gerrymandering after the census, the GOP will be fairly well entrenched in the House until the next go around in 2020. Projections are that around 2020 is when we will also see enough of a Hispanic population increase to turn parts of the South (namely Texas) move purple. 2024 it may well go blue. It won't be until around then that the Republicans really begin to wither and die (assuming they don't change course)


Agreed.

Hopefully, this will be one of the last rounds where gerrymandering will be an issue. Some states have already shifted to using non-partisan commissions to redraw districts using algorithms instead of political considerations, and the trend is expanding. I don't think it's unrealistic to say that such a thing could be standard by 2020, and almost certainly will be standard by 2030.

Of course, by that time, whites will be something like 55% of the population at best, so it will be a whole new world is ways that Rush can't imagine in his most fever-plagued nightmare.
 
2012-11-08 11:36:23 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Like it or not, the economy is heading in the right direction under Obama and Romney did absolutely NOTHING to convince me that he would do anything more but return to the failed GOP policies of the 2000's.


And again, had Romney's policies failed abysmally, even if you could point and say, "This is when he signed that bill, here is where the market crashed, here are 1000 independent experts saying 'the market crashed due to this new policy'", the right's refusal to acknowledge GW's role in our current situation told me they wouldn't change course if this country was the Titanic.
 
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