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2012-11-08 08:57:30 AM  
A man who surrounds himself with yes-men is always hilarious when he hears a resounding NO for the first time.
 
2012-11-08 09:03:49 AM  
Actually, I would love to read a story about Neil Newhouse, who was Mitt's pollster. About a day before the election, Politico did a story about how Neil Newhouse is pushing back against all the public polls saying Romney is about to lose because he had internal polls that shows that Romney's poised for a major victory. Politico warned that come Tuesday night, he was either going to be a genius or a goat.

I want to see his explanation for how he got it so wrong.
 
2012-11-08 09:06:21 AM  

RexTalionis: Actually, I would love to read a story about Neil Newhouse, who was Mitt's pollster. About a day before the election, Politico did a story about how Neil Newhouse is pushing back against all the public polls saying Romney is about to lose because he had internal polls that shows that Romney's poised for a major victory. Politico warned that come Tuesday night, he was either going to be a genius or a goat.

I want to see his explanation for how he got it so wrong.


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2012-11-08 09:08:56 AM  
The CEO was just fired by the Board of Directors.
 
2012-11-08 09:11:49 AM  

quatchi: A man who surrounds himself with yes-men is always hilarious when he hears a resounding NO for the first time.


As Tuesday has shown.

Twice, if you include both Romney and Trump.
 
2012-11-08 09:13:45 AM  
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2012-11-08 09:14:56 AM  
I've said it before, I would totally buy a tell-all book written a Romney campaign insider. There were points this year where the whole thing seemed to be lurching around so bizarrely that I am really curious what was going on behind the scenes.
 
2012-11-08 09:16:29 AM  

Sybarite: I've said it before, I would totally buy a tell-all book written a Romney campaign insider. There were points this year where the whole thing seemed to be lurching around so bizarrely that I am really curious what was going on behind the scenes.


Maybe HBO can make a great movie out of it.
 
2012-11-08 09:19:55 AM  

somedude210: Sybarite: I've said it before, I would totally buy a tell-all book written a Romney campaign insider. There were points this year where the whole thing seemed to be lurching around so bizarrely that I am really curious what was going on behind the scenes.

Maybe HBO can make a great movie out of it.


Written by Danny Strong.
 
2012-11-08 09:26:50 AM  

somedude210: Sybarite: I've said it before, I would totally buy a tell-all book written a Romney campaign insider. There were points this year where the whole thing seemed to be lurching around so bizarrely that I am really curious what was going on behind the scenes.

Maybe HBO can make a great movie out of it.


Toby Jones will have to play Rove.

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2012-11-08 09:31:11 AM  
I repeat what I asked yesterday - can a person die of an overdose of schadenfraude? Because if so, I'm in trouble.
 
2012-11-08 09:34:57 AM  
And this is my issue with the current leadership of the party.

The Bush Presidency cherry picked information to suit their narrative. Cherry picked intelligence. Didn't look too close at the information and plans given to them when Clinton left office on terrorism, because it wasn't convenient. Didn't look too close at preparations for Katrina. Romney based a campaign on this sort of thing. Reality doesn't have a liberal bias, but it can seem to if you simply don't look further than the folks who are nodding and shaking your hand.

Narrative is the problem. And to be fair, it's not just and Republican thing, but the GOP has adopted subjective reality as a basis for living their lives--while not truly understanding that the concept, while important to understand human interactions, it is not a frame of reference to base decisions upon, rather to understand that how some folks see things aren't necessarily how YOU see things, and understanding that a woman is upset because she felt insulted by an action that you didn't mean as insulting, still hurts her, and she still bases her feelings towards you upon that interaction--and the "I will it, thus it will be manifest" ties in to a lot of NeoConservative thought. Which is perhaps one of the more noisome processes in their snakenest of thinking.

NeoConservatism is now bound up, not just with folks whose economic policy is based on "screw everyone else, I'mma get mine" but with the Religious Right, who have given a LOT of cash for lip service. And that is part of the problem. It IS just lip service. The whole shebang is based on perception, not reality. And sooner or later, such shams fall apart.

We need good Conservatism and thoughtful economic and foreign policy. Sadly, at this point, the radicals have taken over the party that once touted its conservatism, and still brands itself as such, while espousing the most radicalized agenda that ignores facts and figures that aren't convenient. And that is why we are in the straits we are now: ignoring reality doesn't alter the heading of the iceberg...
 
2012-11-08 09:36:48 AM  
"We didn't think they'd turn out more of their base vote than they did in 2008, but they smoked us," said one Romney operative. "It's unbelievable that that they turned out more from the African-American community than in 2008. Somehow they got 'em to vote."

Gee, I dunno, perhaps the fact that a population who fought a decades-long struggle to obtain the right to vote didn't appreciate your over-the-top attempt at voter disenfranchisement. It's farking pathetic. I have ZERO sympathy for a party that would actively work to keep people from voting. In any other country we would point to that as deep-seated corruption undermining the democratic process yet here it's couched in the invented fantasy of voter fraud.
 
2012-11-08 09:40:06 AM  
And they'll look outside their echo chamber, see an America that doesn't match their delusions, and promptly go right back in where it's safe.
 
2012-11-08 09:40:12 AM  

coco ebert: "We didn't think they'd turn out more of their base vote than they did in 2008, but they smoked us," said one Romney operative. "It's unbelievable that that they turned out more from the African-American community than in 2008. Somehow they got 'em to vote."

Gee, I dunno, perhaps the fact that a population who fought a decades-long struggle to obtain the right to vote didn't appreciate your over-the-top attempt at voter disenfranchisement. It's farking pathetic. I have ZERO sympathy for a party that would actively work to keep people from voting. In any other country we would point to that as deep-seated corruption undermining the democratic process yet here it's couched in the invented fantasy of voter fraud.


And what's even more amazing is that this wasn't some secret. It's not like it was a massive surprise that these people came out to vote. THIS IS WHAT EVERY POLL SAID. The polls were freaking dead on. The only way to think that this wasn't going to happen is to actively ignore reality around you.

Hence, this headline.
 
2012-11-08 09:41:24 AM  

DamnYankees: coco ebert: "We didn't think they'd turn out more of their base vote than they did in 2008, but they smoked us," said one Romney operative. "It's unbelievable that that they turned out more from the African-American community than in 2008. Somehow they got 'em to vote."

Gee, I dunno, perhaps the fact that a population who fought a decades-long struggle to obtain the right to vote didn't appreciate your over-the-top attempt at voter disenfranchisement. It's farking pathetic. I have ZERO sympathy for a party that would actively work to keep people from voting. In any other country we would point to that as deep-seated corruption undermining the democratic process yet here it's couched in the invented fantasy of voter fraud.

And what's even more amazing is that this wasn't some secret. It's not like it was a massive surprise that these people came out to vote. THIS IS WHAT EVERY POLL SAID. The polls were freaking dead on. The only way to think that this wasn't going to happen is to actively ignore reality around you.

Hence, this headline.


Yeah, it's not just schadenfreude at their loss, it's schadenfreude over the triumph of empirical reality.
 
2012-11-08 09:42:48 AM  
*sigh*

No, Republicans, Sandy did not sap Mittmentum. It was gone by the time the hurricane hit. You gambled everything on the first debate and it worked, but it left you nothing down the stretch. Obama adapted to your tactics and smoked you in the subsequent debates. Obama's response to Sandy was just the coda.
 
2012-11-08 09:43:00 AM  

hubiestubert: And this is my issue with the current leadership of the party....


They've developed so many levels to their fabricated reality and lost the talisman that tells them which one is actual. They lost control of the creation.
 
2012-11-08 09:43:11 AM  

DamnYankees: coco ebert: "We didn't think they'd turn out more of their base vote than they did in 2008, but they smoked us," said one Romney operative. "It's unbelievable that that they turned out more from the African-American community than in 2008. Somehow they got 'em to vote."

Gee, I dunno, perhaps the fact that a population who fought a decades-long struggle to obtain the right to vote didn't appreciate your over-the-top attempt at voter disenfranchisement. It's farking pathetic. I have ZERO sympathy for a party that would actively work to keep people from voting. In any other country we would point to that as deep-seated corruption undermining the democratic process yet here it's couched in the invented fantasy of voter fraud.

And what's even more amazing is that this wasn't some secret. It's not like it was a massive surprise that these people came out to vote. THIS IS WHAT EVERY POLL SAID. The polls were freaking dead on. The only way to think that this wasn't going to happen is to actively ignore reality around you.

Hence, this headline.


And they still don't really understand why they lost. Years and years of conditioning have caused them to be incapable of any modicum of introspection.
 
2012-11-08 09:43:19 AM  

hubiestubert: The whole shebang is based on perception, not reality.


Link
 
2012-11-08 09:44:28 AM  

DamnYankees: I repeat what I asked yesterday - can a person die of an overdose of schadenfraude? Because if so, I'm in trouble.


In my case it has lead to a sever case of priapism.
 
2012-11-08 09:45:05 AM  
severe not sever because that would be much worse
 
2012-11-08 09:46:03 AM  

Aarontology: And they still don't really understand why they lost. Years and years of conditioning have caused them to be incapable of any modicum of introspection.


In a certain sense I do understand their confusion. As people have noted before, if you took the demographics of 1988 and used that breakdown in the 2012 election, and kept the vote share steady, Romney would have won over 400 electoral votes. Of course, those demographics don't exist - IIRC, the white vote was 91% of the electorate in 1988, and 72% this year. But demographics isn't something you actively see changing around you - you need be aware of population trends on a macro level. So the gut feeling that 'everyone you know' votes for the GOP really is just as true today as it was 25 years ago.
 
2012-11-08 09:46:20 AM  

DamnYankees: I repeat what I asked yesterday - can a person die of an overdose of schadenfraude? Because if so, I'm in trouble.


Only when she lets go, then you may shrivel up in a ball and collapse in on yourself. Like a neutron star
 
2012-11-08 09:56:24 AM  

DamnYankees: Aarontology: And they still don't really understand why they lost. Years and years of conditioning have caused them to be incapable of any modicum of introspection.

In a certain sense I do understand their confusion. As people have noted before, if you took the demographics of 1988 and used that breakdown in the 2012 election, and kept the vote share steady, Romney would have won over 400 electoral votes. Of course, those demographics don't exist - IIRC, the white vote was 91% of the electorate in 1988, and 72% this year. But demographics isn't something you actively see changing around you - you need be aware of population trends on a macro level. So the gut feeling that 'everyone you know' votes for the GOP really is just as true today as it was 25 years ago.


Well put.

And it hurts doubly when they hear inflammatory rhetoric about latinos or black people or women because they don't know why that would offend someone since "everyone they know" wasn't offended.
 
2012-11-08 10:02:59 AM  

DamnYankees: Aarontology: And they still don't really understand why they lost. Years and years of conditioning have caused them to be incapable of any modicum of introspection.

In a certain sense I do understand their confusion. As people have noted before, if you took the demographics of 1988 and used that breakdown in the 2012 election, and kept the vote share steady, Romney would have won over 400 electoral votes. Of course, those demographics don't exist - IIRC, the white vote was 91% of the electorate in 1988, and 72% this year. But demographics isn't something you actively see changing around you - you need be aware of population trends on a macro level. So the gut feeling that 'everyone you know' votes for the GOP really is just as true today as it was 25 years ago.


as a white person, seeing that white person split was.. disheartening.

of course then i noticed the age breakdown and said "farkIN' BOOMERS"
 
2012-11-08 10:03:50 AM  

Aarontology:
And they still don't really understand why they lost. Years and years of conditioning have caused them to be incapable of any modicum of introspection.


I changed, so can they.
 
2012-11-08 10:07:15 AM  

Weaver95: Aarontology:
And they still don't really understand why they lost. Years and years of conditioning have caused them to be incapable of any modicum of introspection.

I changed, so can they.


You made a break towards sanity. Unfortunately, a large percent decided to break towards insanity.
 
2012-11-08 10:07:20 AM  

Weaver95: Aarontology:
And they still don't really understand why they lost. Years and years of conditioning have caused them to be incapable of any modicum of introspection.

I changed, so can they.


You are the notable exception, Weav. But hey, no one can preach like the converted. Go forth into the valley of Derp and do the lord's work!
 
2012-11-08 10:07:21 AM  

Aarontology: And it hurts doubly when they hear inflammatory rhetoric about latinos or black people or women because they don't know why that would offend someone since "everyone they know" wasn't offended.


Bingo.
 
2012-11-08 10:07:36 AM  
"There were a lot of Republicans who were on calls that the campaign was having led to believe we had shots in Pennsylvania and Minnesota," one Republican operative supporting Romney said. "I think Republicans are split right now between confused and shocked, and also I think they are wondering did the Romney campaign have numbers we didn't have."

I think Romney could have taken Pa...but he would had to have started back in October and he would have had to build a campaign network on the ground level. that means local directors, volunteers, offices and staging areas, plus a seriously robust and portable database. Romney didn't bring a logistics plan to his campaign and I really think that's what killed him in Pennsylvania.

From what I've gathered, Romney also didn't engage local Republicans in key states. I *know* he's got motivated voters, I know he could have gotten people on phones, knocking on doors...but he didn't seem to want to do the icky part of running a campaign: talking to rank and file and getting them to help.
 
2012-11-08 10:09:45 AM  

Diogenes: RexTalionis: Actually, I would love to read a story about Neil Newhouse, who was Mitt's pollster. About a day before the election, Politico did a story about how Neil Newhouse is pushing back against all the public polls saying Romney is about to lose because he had internal polls that shows that Romney's poised for a major victory. Politico warned that come Tuesday night, he was either going to be a genius or a goat.

I want to see his explanation for how he got it so wrong.

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"I had a baaad model."
 
2012-11-08 10:10:43 AM  

doyner: Weaver95: Aarontology:
And they still don't really understand why they lost. Years and years of conditioning have caused them to be incapable of any modicum of introspection.

I changed, so can they.

You are the notable exception, Weav. But hey, no one can preach like the converted. Go forth into the valley of Derp and do the lord's work!


Yea, though Weaver walk through the valley of the shadow of derp,
I will fear no herp: For Fark art with me;
Thy memes and thy cats, they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine conservatards;
Thou annointest my head with beer; My cup runneth over.
 
2012-11-08 10:10:45 AM  

Weaver95: "There were a lot of Republicans who were on calls that the campaign was having led to believe we had shots in Pennsylvania and Minnesota," one Republican operative supporting Romney said. "I think Republicans are split right now between confused and shocked, and also I think they are wondering did the Romney campaign have numbers we didn't have."

I think Romney could have taken Pa...but he would had to have started back in October and he would have had to build a campaign network on the ground level. that means local directors, volunteers, offices and staging areas, plus a seriously robust and portable database. Romney didn't bring a logistics plan to his campaign and I really think that's what killed him in Pennsylvania.

From what I've gathered, Romney also didn't engage local Republicans in key states. I *know* he's got motivated voters, I know he could have gotten people on phones, knocking on doors...but he didn't seem to want to do the icky part of running a campaign: talking to rank and file and getting them to help.



This is what happens when you're more concerned with your shareholders than your customers.
 
2012-11-08 10:11:32 AM  

Weaver95: Aarontology:
And they still don't really understand why they lost. Years and years of conditioning have caused them to be incapable of any modicum of introspection.

I changed, so can they.


that's because you were honest. that is why you never got placed on my ignore list. You were always willing to actually listen to people explaining to you why they disagreed. the rest followed since "reality has a well known liberal bias" :D

Weaver95: talking to rank and file and getting them to help.


interact with the plebebs?! are you kidding me! they should see how much money i have from shipping their jobs oversees and worship me as a god!
 
2012-11-08 10:11:42 AM  

somedude210: doyner: Weaver95: Aarontology:
And they still don't really understand why they lost. Years and years of conditioning have caused them to be incapable of any modicum of introspection.

I changed, so can they.

You are the notable exception, Weav. But hey, no one can preach like the converted. Go forth into the valley of Derp and do the lord's work!

Yea, though Weaver walk through the valley of the shadow of derp,
I will fear no herp: For Fark art with me;
Thy memes and thy cats, they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine conservatards;
Thou annointest my head with beer; My cup runneth over.


Bess you, my son.
 
2012-11-08 10:12:21 AM  
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You'd think a casino mogul would make better bets.


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These two thought they could buy the election. They were wrong.


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The Republicans took your money and ran a terrible campaign focused on rape, abortion, and Benghazi. Where did all that money go?

Suckers.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-11-08 10:13:01 AM  

Aarontology: And they'll look outside their echo chamber, see an America that doesn't match their delusions, and promptly go right back in where it's safe.


I think that's the problem. There is so much spin on the right that they have lost the ability to distinguish between spin and reality. Even the spin doctors themselves.

I am worried about what will happen with this stab in the back mentality of theirs.
 
2012-11-08 10:14:49 AM  

Weaver95: Aarontology:
And they still don't really understand why they lost. Years and years of conditioning have caused them to be incapable of any modicum of introspection.

I changed, so can they.


Sorry, you weren't getting away with that one without this.
content7.flixster.com
 
2012-11-08 10:16:30 AM  

doyner: somedude210: doyner: Weaver95: Aarontology:
And they still don't really understand why they lost. Years and years of conditioning have caused them to be incapable of any modicum of introspection.

I changed, so can they.

You are the notable exception, Weav. But hey, no one can preach like the converted. Go forth into the valley of Derp and do the lord's work!

Yea, though Weaver walk through the valley of the shadow of derp,
I will fear no herp: For Fark art with me;
Thy memes and thy cats, they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine conservatards;
Thou annointest my head with beer; My cup runneth over.

Bess you, my son.


Thank you, father

/wait, we're catholics now?
//The power of Fark compels you!
 
2012-11-08 10:17:27 AM  

Weaver95: I changed, so can they.


I have to say, it's been interesting to see. Especially considering you don't seem to have really changed many of your beliefs over the years.

vpb: I think that's the problem. There is so much spin on the right that they have lost the ability to distinguish between spin and reality. Even the spin doctors themselves.

I am worried about what will happen with this stab in the back mentality of theirs.


The polling thing is the greatest example of that. I could see why someone might think Romney would edge this one out. It'd be a long shot, but possible.

But so many of them thought it was going to be a pro Romney landslide, and now that they see that they were so damned wrong, they're having a hard time figuring it out. They, and their viewers, readers, etc thought it would be true because they genuinely believed their "news" outlets were telling the truth.
 
2012-11-08 10:18:25 AM  

Weaver95: "There were a lot of Republicans who were on calls that the campaign was having led to believe we had shots in Pennsylvania and Minnesota," one Republican operative supporting Romney said. "I think Republicans are split right now between confused and shocked, and also I think they are wondering did the Romney campaign have numbers we didn't have."

I think Romney could have taken Pa...but he would had to have started back in October and he would have had to build a campaign network on the ground level. that means local directors, volunteers, offices and staging areas, plus a seriously robust and portable database. Romney didn't bring a logistics plan to his campaign and I really think that's what killed him in Pennsylvania.

From what I've gathered, Romney also didn't engage local Republicans in key states. I *know* he's got motivated voters, I know he could have gotten people on phones, knocking on doors...but he didn't seem to want to do the icky part of running a campaign: talking to rank and file and getting them to help.


But remember he was only given the primary very, very reluctantly after running against people who were - some of them - actually clinically insane. I don't know how much genuine support he ever had from the experienced political chiefs.

I think there'll have to be a fracture between the Tea Party religious right, and the pragmatic high-level funders; the question is whether each can survive without the other. Funny as it is, I'd rather see two (at least) rational parties in healthy competition.

Still, Sheldon Adelson is out several hundred million dollars, so that's nice.
 
2012-11-08 10:20:11 AM  

Aarontology: DamnYankees: Aarontology: And they still don't really understand why they lost. Years and years of conditioning have caused them to be incapable of any modicum of introspection.

In a certain sense I do understand their confusion. As people have noted before, if you took the demographics of 1988 and used that breakdown in the 2012 election, and kept the vote share steady, Romney would have won over 400 electoral votes. Of course, those demographics don't exist - IIRC, the white vote was 91% of the electorate in 1988, and 72% this year. But demographics isn't something you actively see changing around you - you need be aware of population trends on a macro level. So the gut feeling that 'everyone you know' votes for the GOP really is just as true today as it was 25 years ago.

Well put.

And it hurts doubly when they hear inflammatory rhetoric about latinos or black people or women because they don't know why that would offend someone since "everyone they know" wasn't offended.


I think they also underestimate how many of us are "dirty turncoats". My husband's family are all white Obama voters. Many of my friends are white Obama voters. I think the only difference is that we're quiet about it. We don't put bumper stickers on our cars. Our social media pages are bereft of political affiliations. Maybe the Republicans are so blinded by our whiteness that they can't fathom that we might think and vote differently. So they just assume that "everyone they know" voted for Romney. And of course, they were quite mistaken.
 
2012-11-08 10:21:11 AM  

Via Infinito: I think they also underestimate how many of us are "dirty turncoats".


They actually don't, thought. Obama got the same percentage of white voters as Dukakis did - I think he might have actually done a little worse.
 
2012-11-08 10:25:04 AM  
It's always great when the bully loses. Look at those 80s teen flicks for evidence. When the shiatty, snotty, rude, thinks-they're-above-it-all assclown gets his or her comeuppance, it's magical. Tuesday night was basically a real-life version of that axiom. Which is why it was so glorious. The guy who has bought nearly everything in his life, found something no amount of money could purchase.

Fark him.
 
2012-11-08 10:25:46 AM  

Via Infinito: Aarontology: DamnYankees: Aarontology: And they still don't really understand why they lost. Years and years of conditioning have caused them to be incapable of any modicum of introspection.

In a certain sense I do understand their confusion. As people have noted before, if you took the demographics of 1988 and used that breakdown in the 2012 election, and kept the vote share steady, Romney would have won over 400 electoral votes. Of course, those demographics don't exist - IIRC, the white vote was 91% of the electorate in 1988, and 72% this year. But demographics isn't something you actively see changing around you - you need be aware of population trends on a macro level. So the gut feeling that 'everyone you know' votes for the GOP really is just as true today as it was 25 years ago.

Well put.

And it hurts doubly when they hear inflammatory rhetoric about latinos or black people or women because they don't know why that would offend someone since "everyone they know" wasn't offended.

I think they also underestimate how many of us are "dirty turncoats". My husband's family are all white Obama voters. Many of my friends are white Obama voters. I think the only difference is that we're quiet about it. We don't put bumper stickers on our cars. Our social media pages are bereft of political affiliations. Maybe the Republicans are so blinded by our whiteness that they can't fathom that we might think and vote differently. So they just assume that "everyone they know" voted for Romney. And of course, they were quite mistaken.


Me too. Everyone (except my one crazy sister) in my white family voted for Obama. We don't answer polls or put signs in our yard. I imagine that the people running mitten's campaign wouldn't have even considered us in their calculations since only "colored" people and freeloaders vote for Obama.

I am walking on air the last couple of days. So glad those farkers got their biatch-assses slapped!
 
2012-11-08 10:30:32 AM  

Via Infinito: I think they also underestimate how many of us are "dirty turncoats". My husband's family are all white Obama voters. Many of my friends are white Obama voters. I think the only difference is that we're quiet about it. We don't put bumper stickers on our cars. Our social media pages are bereft of political affiliations. Maybe the Republicans are so blinded by our whiteness that they can't fathom that we might think and vote differently. So they just assume that "everyone they know" voted for Romney. And of course, they were quite mistaken.


That could be it too.

At least around here, the conservatives are far more likely to have yard signs and publicly talk about politics than the liberals are.

I saw waaaaaay more Linda McMahon signs than Chris Murphy signs, and she got trounced.
 
2012-11-08 10:32:40 AM  

coco ebert: "We didn't think they'd turn out more of their base vote than they did in 2008, but they smoked us," said one Romney operative. "It's unbelievable that that they turned out more from the African-American community than in 2008. Somehow they got 'em to vote."

Gee, I dunno, perhaps the fact that a population who fought a decades-long struggle to obtain the right to vote didn't appreciate your over-the-top attempt at voter disenfranchisement. It's farking pathetic. I have ZERO sympathy for a party that would actively work to keep people from voting. In any other country we would point to that as deep-seated corruption undermining the democratic process yet here it's couched in the invented fantasy of voter fraud.


Inside the GOP bubble they really thought voter ID laws would push them over the edge. It's farking shameful and shows the mentality of win by any means necessary even if you have to cheat. It goes against everything our government is supposed to be. Winning on the strength of your ideas and platform means nothing to them. That showed in the lack of detail on ANYTHING and EVERYTHING regarding the Romney/Ryan plan.
 
2012-11-08 10:34:50 AM  
for what it's worth, I think the GOP (and Romney in particular) had/have the following problems:

1. open contempt for anyone NOT in the 1%. Romney even gave a closed door speech about it, his infamous '47% of the country are useless' speech. the GOP elites don't even respect their own rank and file, which must have made it difficult for them to organize any sort of ground game.

2. echo chamber. it's fine to have a place where you can talk with like minded people. hey, we're all human and we all need a place to call our own, where we can just chill with our fellows. But the GOP has a completely closed ideological ecology. they climb into their ideological 'biosphere 2' and shut out the world completely. not even a whisper of reality gets through those airlocks and they eat, breathe and sleep GOP ideology. when the Republicans had to leave that protected ecology, their ideas simply fell apart in the harsh and unforgiving atmosphere outside their warm and protected biosphere.

3. Hypocrisy. while the rank and file might be ok with outright lying in order to gain power...the rest of the country apparently takes a dim view of a party run by hypocritical bastards. Romney and Santorum certainly seemed to believe their own rhetoric (even if they both came off as vaguely creepy and inhuman)...but Newt Gingrich as a 'family values' candidate? Rush Limbaugh talking about the sanctity of marriage? that just comes across as parody at best or deliberately mocking at worst. words mean things, and people pay attention to the history and lives of those among the GOP who would call themselves leaders.

4. Romney (and to a lesser extent the GOP at large) are inflexible and lack adaptability. its their way or the highway. no new taxes ever under any circumstances no exceptions for anyone anywhere ever for any reason. Gays are immoral and possibly mentally ill. abortion is wrong always and forever, no exceptions under any circumstances. there are a lot of reasons why the GOP won't budget on their agenda, but I won't go into those here. suffice to say that the GOP is unable to adapt or compromise in order to get even a tiny bit of it passed by congress. it's all or nothing, and they'd rather burn down the building than bend a little to get things done. compromise is for the weak, and weakness is to be despised and purged. that sort of attitude hurts them more than it helps.

there's more I could ponder about but these are just conclusions i've come too over yesterday and today. as more data is revealed, I might revise the above conclusions, and/or develop new ones. But I do think the GOP isn't handling this loss very well. they really, honestly and truly believed that Romney had this election in the bag. that Romney was the winner and Obama was gone. the shock is wearing off slowly...and the GOP pundits are mad as hell. most of them have chosen to insult and berate voters for daring to pick Obama over Romney...and that right there tells me that the Republicans have a long way to go if they want to clean up their act and start winning instead of losing.
 
2012-11-08 10:44:49 AM  

Aarontology: Via Infinito: I think they also underestimate how many of us are "dirty turncoats". My husband's family are all white Obama voters. Many of my friends are white Obama voters. I think the only difference is that we're quiet about it. We don't put bumper stickers on our cars. Our social media pages are bereft of political affiliations. Maybe the Republicans are so blinded by our whiteness that they can't fathom that we might think and vote differently. So they just assume that "everyone they know" voted for Romney. And of course, they were quite mistaken.

That could be it too.

At least around here, the conservatives are far more likely to have yard signs and publicly talk about politics than the liberals are.


That's how it goes in my neck of the woods, too. I live in a county that went for Obama, but outside the large urban area, so we're really red around here. There weren't many Romney/Ryan lawn signs, but there was only one for Obama. Not because there was only one Obama voter in this area, but when you're surrounded by derp, you don't court the herp. I like talking politics, and I enjoy having discussions, but anymore, talking to Republicans is like talking to a wall.
 
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