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(Politico)   "Hey Boehner, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "I think so, Mitch, but if we lost all these seats, should we still try and push unpopular measures?" "No you dunce, we're gonna TRY TO TAKE OVER THE CONGRESS"   (politico.com) divider line 12
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2012-11-08 02:55:32 PM  
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tortilla burger: If the GOP had any sense of self-awareness, it would implode and cease to exist. The GOP definitely has a demographic problem that isn't going away. But I still get the feeling that nothing will change noticeably for at least a couple decades. The only way to change the GOP is wait for the old ones to die out. There is no introspection on the individual level.


What frustrates me most is that they'll approach this problem like a CEO approaches any demographic problem: they'll starting SAYING they support Latinos, they'll PRETEND to support more women's rights, etc., but it's just flowery gestures to win back more votes. Should they ever return to power, they'll go right back to not giving one perfumed turd about these demographics...
2012-11-08 12:58:32 PM  
2 votes:

Hershey Highway Patrol: Here's one obvious problem:

To get past that obstacle, Jankowski said Republicans need "the immigration debate ... to be addressed and settled in a way the Republican Party can live with."

The typical Republican answer "Let's make things work the way we want it" rather than "Gee, maybe we need to modify ourselves to match what the people want".


Yes, but on the other side of the coin, it's like the king who saw all his subjects walking down a road, heading somewhere. He said to himself, "There go my people. I must find out where they're going so I can lead them."

It's one thing to do some soul-searching and see if maybe--just maybe--the planks in your platform need re-shellacking (or outright replacing). It's another thing to take a stance on an issue because it's popular. Things like supply-side do work...but not in extremes. Free-market works, but not if you let it run rampant all over the consumers, the public, and the country in general. Moderation is the key.

The funny thing about economic policy is there's no real way of knowing it will work until you implement it. Keynsian economics have worked so far, but is there a point where it doesn't work as well as it once did? Kind of like how the laws of physics morph a bit between the macroscopic world and the quantum world. But in economics, these "laws" are considerably more vague and nebulous. So, you have to keep re-evaluating your positions.

Easier said than done, I guess.

The GOP's problem has been that they were SO INVESTED in their ideology that few of them in their party ever even bothered to consider that there was even the slightest chance that they were wrong. And so, they fell on their faces this time around (but not SO bad that they lost the House).

I'm done talking out of my ass for now.
2012-11-08 11:59:51 AM  
2 votes:
Best line in the article is the last line:

"The conservative media bubble is totally self-defeating for us. It denies us any realistic view of the real world of the general election, assuming instead that all politics is simply an extension of the Republican primary. It blindly drives us off one cliff after another," said Republican presidential strategist Mike Murphy. "We will not win the real world of big-turnout, presidential-year politics until our bubble realizes that a big world exists outside the precincts of the Republican primary."

"Said Murphy: "Much of the conservative media bubble, with its isolation, denial and semi-paranoia, only incentivized us to lose general elections.""

So very true. Until fox news can tell the base the truth about why they lost- because GOP policies aren't inline with a majority of voters- the GOP won't be able to correctly reassess and move on from their losses.
2012-11-08 02:48:53 PM  
1 votes:

Abner Doon: xanadian: Things like supply-side do work

[Citation Needed]

Does it even work a little bit? I've not seen it, and it doesn't make intuitive sense that it would.


There's no evidence whatsoever that proves it works and it goes against every reasonable economic theory out there.

But, rich people have convinced stupid people that, if they were to get more money, they'd invest it in jobs.

That's ridiculous. Rich people are rich because, when they get more money, they save it instead of spending when they don't need to spend it. If they can meet lower demand now, a tax cut wont change that.
2012-11-08 02:46:26 PM  
1 votes:

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: GAT_00: Rubio individually as the party's promising actors on immigration.

Funny, considering that when a copy of what Rubio was calling for came up for a vote, he didn't hesitate to vote against it.

All through this campaign, and *very* notably at the GOP Convention, Rubio has been notably reluctant to say anything about immigration. It's like he just gets "credit" in the party for having said it at one time in the same way that Ryan has the reputation of being a hard numbers guy simply because he happens to know that 2+3 != potato.


Ryan has not proven that he knows what "2+3" equals.

He is a extreme right-wing social conservative that has abortion views that mirror Todd Akin. He's just a tiny bit smarter which allows him to realize that he needs to keep his trap shut.

He advocates a budget change that includes no revenue increases, no defense spending cuts, privitization of Medicare, and massive discretionary spending cuts. But, it produces a balanced budget and magical employment figures that have never been achieved by the American economy. Ever.

He counts to potato just like the rest of them. He just seems to be able to count to potato in front of a camera without drooling.
2012-11-08 02:45:48 PM  
1 votes:

xanadian: Things like supply-side do work


[Citation Needed]

Does it even work a little bit? I've not seen it, and it doesn't make intuitive sense that it would.
2012-11-08 12:49:45 PM  
1 votes:
It's Boehner and the Mitch
Boehner and the Mitch
One is a moron
The other's a biatch
2012-11-08 12:40:26 PM  
1 votes:
Here's one obvious problem:

To get past that obstacle, Jankowski said Republicans need "the immigration debate ... to be addressed and settled in a way the Republican Party can live with."

The typical Republican answer "Let's make things work the way we want it" rather than "Gee, maybe we need to modify ourselves to match what the people want".
2012-11-08 12:38:41 PM  
1 votes:

OceanVortex: So very true. Until fox news can tell the base the truth about why they lost- because GOP policies aren't inline with a majority of voters- the GOP won't be able to correctly reassess and move on from their losses.


That would be like Fox News telling it's viewers, "Hey, we farking lie to you. So stop watching us."

Unless they plan to change their formatting.
2012-11-08 08:48:58 AM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: Rubio individually as the party's promising actors on immigration.

Funny, considering that when a copy of what Rubio was calling for came up for a vote, he didn't hesitate to vote against it.


Which Mitt Romney opposed, supported, and then opposed again.
2012-11-08 08:30:42 AM  
1 votes:
Impossible.

Neither of them is the brainl
2012-11-08 08:17:48 AM  
1 votes:
Rubio individually as the party's promising actors on immigration.

Funny, considering that when a copy of what Rubio was calling for came up for a vote, he didn't hesitate to vote against it.
 
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