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2012-11-08 09:24:55 AM  
Way to trick me into clicking a lakers link.
 
2012-11-08 09:34:27 AM  
Touche.. well done.
 
2012-11-08 09:35:38 AM  
I don't get it.
 
2012-11-08 09:40:46 AM  
I wish the Iggles had half the success the Lakers do. Sure, lakerschain.gif shows possibly the biggest douchebag in the country, but they still win, a lot.
 
2012-11-08 09:49:38 AM  
I remember threads like this about the Heat when Lebron and Bosh joined. They started out poorly & only ended up with two trips to the finals & an NBA title.
 
2012-11-08 09:55:37 AM  
i blame Steve Blake. He has Kobe, Gasol and Howard to pass to, he is the PG and he had 1 assist in 36 minutes.
 
2012-11-08 09:55:46 AM  

xanadian: I don't get it.


Looks like we're calling any team that acquires a bunch of overpriced free agents the Eagles, like when they got Nnamdi Asomugha, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, and Vince Young in the same offseason. This is somehow unique instead of what the Yankees do almost every year.
 
2012-11-08 09:59:36 AM  

Arkanaut: Looks like we're calling any team that acquires a bunch of overpriced free agents the Eagles, like when they got Nnamdi Asomugha, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, and Vince Young in the same offseason. This is somehow unique instead of what the Yankees do almost every year.


No, any team that acquires a bunch of overpriced free agents and falls flat on their faces coming out of the gate. The Yankees consistently win their division and make the playoffs.

/the Lakers are still going to make the playoffs and end up more like the Yankees this year than the Eagles last year, but it's fun to dream of the Lakers missing the playoffs.
 
2012-11-08 10:10:18 AM  

xanadian: I don't get it.


Last year, the backup QB for the Eagles called them the "Dream Team" after acquiring several sought-after free agents. They're now failing for the second straight year. The Lakers picked up several sought-after free agents and are falling flat on their faces.
 
2012-11-08 10:13:14 AM  

Arkanaut: Looks like we're calling any team that acquires a bunch of overpriced free agents the Eagles, like when they got Nnamdi Asomugha, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, and Vince Young in the same offseason. This is somehow unique instead of what the Yankees do almost every year.


DRC was a trade (for Kevin Kolb... ) and Vince Young was a backup QB paid like a backup QB. So really they got one expensive free agent and way overpaid to extend Vick.
 
2012-11-08 10:15:04 AM  
Dream Team.
 
2012-11-08 10:15:48 AM  
They really should have traded Kobe when they had the chance
 
2012-11-08 10:25:30 AM  
There's still the Clippers.
 
2012-11-08 10:27:14 AM  
Fark the nba.

Is that racism?
 
2012-11-08 10:31:24 AM  
From Wikipedia: "The [Princeton] offense is designed for a unit of 5 players who can each pass, shoot and dribble at an above average level. It attempts to isolate and exploit a mismatch using these skills. Positions become less important and on offense there is no point guard, shooting guard, small forward or power forward."

Well, there's our problem. WTF, it's like Mike Brown picks up a Sports Illustrated, reads an article about Pete Carril and thinks "hey, that could be the thing that makes everyone forget about Jackson and his triangle offense!" Never mind that the Lakers don't have the personnel to run it, or that it makes one of the league's top 10 point guards just another guy who can pass, shoot and dribble at an above average level. FFFUUUUUUUUUU!
 
2012-11-08 10:33:54 AM  

Sargun: xanadian: I don't get it.

Last year, the backup QB for the Eagles called them the "Dream Team" after acquiring several sought-after free agents. They're now failing for the second straight year. The Lakers picked up several sought-after free agents and are falling flat on their faces.


The whole joke is inaccurate as the Lakers didn't do anything like the Heat or Eagles did in the media.

It's just fark being whiney douchenozzles.
 
2012-11-08 10:35:10 AM  
Oh and:

www.alarmforce.com
 
2012-11-08 10:36:16 AM  

Arkanaut: xanadian: I don't get it.

Looks like we're calling any team that acquires a bunch of overpriced free agents the Eagles, like when they got Nnamdi Asomugha, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, and Vince Young in the same offseason. This is somehow unique instead of what the Yankees do almost every year.


OK, are we really posting a thread after every single Lakers loss?


Do we care? Are we caring about that?
 
2012-11-08 10:42:51 AM  

RminusQ: Arkanaut: xanadian: I don't get it.

Looks like we're calling any team that acquires a bunch of overpriced free agents the Eagles, like when they got Nnamdi Asomugha, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, and Vince Young in the same offseason. This is somehow unique instead of what the Yankees do almost every year.

OK, are we really posting a thread after every single Lakers loss?


Do we care? Are we caring about that?


Ok, now there are two of us asking that.

And apparently over 2.
 
2012-11-08 10:44:12 AM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: From Wikipedia: "The [Princeton] offense is designed for a unit of 5 players who can each pass, shoot and dribble at an above average level. It attempts to isolate and exploit a mismatch using these skills. Positions become less important and on offense there is no point guard, shooting guard, small forward or power forward."

Well, there's our problem. WTF, it's like Mike Brown picks up a Sports Illustrated, reads an article about Pete Carril and thinks "hey, that could be the thing that makes everyone forget about Jackson and his triangle offense!" Never mind that the Lakers don't have the personnel to run it, or that it makes one of the league's top 10 point guards just another guy who can pass, shoot and dribble at an above average level. FFFUUUUUUUUUU!


I seem to remember reading that switching to the Princeton offense was Kobe's idea, not Mike Brown's.
 
2012-11-08 10:45:43 AM  

IAmRight: Arkanaut: Looks like we're calling any team that acquires a bunch of overpriced free agents the Eagles, like when they got Nnamdi Asomugha, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, and Vince Young in the same offseason. This is somehow unique instead of what the Yankees do almost every year.

No, any team that acquires a bunch of overpriced free agents and falls flat on their faces coming out of the gate. The Yankees consistently win their division and make the playoffs.


If you want to talk about stumbling "out of the gate", the Yankees have certainly done that a few times in the last decade. Most of the time they still end up going to the playoffs though. The basketball season is long, so it's too early to count the Lakers out.


/the Lakers are still going to make the playoffs and end up more like the Yankees this year than the Eagles last year, but it's fun to dream of the Lakers missing the playoffs.

Can't argue with that.
 
2012-11-08 10:54:17 AM  
Apt metaphor is apt.

But at least the Lakers have trophies in their case that are younger than their fans.
 
2012-11-08 10:58:13 AM  

Disturbing Porn Choreographer: I seem to remember reading that switching to the Princeton offense was Kobe's idea, not Mike Brown's.


I could be wrong (and my negative opinion of Mike Brown could be influencing my memory) but I heard that Brown started selling Kobe on the idea around the time they were getting bounced out of the playoffs last year. This Lakers Nation article seems to lean toward the notion that "the Princeton offense was brought in by Mike Brown and encouraged by Kobe Bryant."
 
2012-11-08 11:00:18 AM  

Lost Thought 00: They really should have traded Kobe when they had the chance


That Kobe almost-trade to the Bulls in '07 would have had some fascinating implications down the road:

- The Lakers would have gotten some combo of Ben Gordon, Ty Thomas, Luol Deng, Kirk Hinrich, and picks. Probably Gordon/Thomas/Harry Potter, as the Bulls did not want to part with Deng. The Lakers would have been good, but in retrospect I think it's difficult to say they were NBA Finals good. It probably also affects the future Gasol to Lakers trade. The 08-10 Finals are affected if the Lakers aren't in any of them, maybe giving the Celtics another title, perhaps giving the Magic one with Howard, or maybe giving the Spurs a chance at another title or two during that stretch.

- The Bulls aren't a 30 win team in '07-08 with Kobe obviously, so they don't get the #1 overall and Derrick Rose in '08. The lottery makes it difficult to say for sure, but the team with the worst record that year who had the best chance at getting #1? Miami Heat. A Wade/Rose backcourt would have been amazing for the Heat to build around, but it also definitely affects their chances/desire to go get both Bosh and LeBron two seasons later.

- If LeBron doesn't go to the Heat, is his destination the Knicks instead? In retrospect, it seems clear that Cleveland was never at option in LeBron's mind (despite his claims), and the Knicks probably would have been his second, most realistic choice. The Knicks definitely don't sign Carmelo if they sign LeBron, questionable if they still sign Amare.

- '10-11 is the interesting year in the East. The Celtics on paper are the best team but had injury problems. The Bulls would have had Kobe, Deng, Noah, and.....? They likely would have signed some free agent big men...Boozer still? Or perhaps they would have ended up with Bosh rather than Miami? Ridiculous to think that Kobe would have accepted LeBron on the team, though that is a frightening thing to think about. The Mavs probably still win the title this year but who they would have met in the Finals seems unclear.

- So if the Heat don't ever gather their Big 3....does that mean the Thunder are NBA champs last year? You maybe could make the case that last years Celtics could have beaten them, but outside of them....LeBron does not have as good a team in NYC, the Kobe-led Bulls would be a threat if they could have scored another big FA...maybe it's still the Heat but lead by Rose now? And if the Thunder win the title last year, do they still trade Harden this year?
 
2012-11-08 11:01:08 AM  
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2012-11-08 11:04:47 AM  

Cybernetic: Apt metaphor is apt.


Incorrect analogy is incorrect.

No one said anything like what Lebron or Vince Young said.
 
2012-11-08 11:05:13 AM  

jayhawk88: Lost Thought 00: They really should have traded Kobe when they had the chance

That Kobe almost-trade to the Bulls in '07 would have had some fascinating implications down the road:

- The Lakers would have gotten some combo of Ben Gordon, Ty Thomas, Luol Deng, Kirk Hinrich, and picks. Probably Gordon/Thomas/Harry Potter, as the Bulls did not want to part with Deng. The Lakers would have been good, but in retrospect I think it's difficult to say they were NBA Finals good. It probably also affects the future Gasol to Lakers trade. The 08-10 Finals are affected if the Lakers aren't in any of them, maybe giving the Celtics another title, perhaps giving the Magic one with Howard, or maybe giving the Spurs a chance at another title or two during that stretch.

- The Bulls aren't a 30 win team in '07-08 with Kobe obviously, so they don't get the #1 overall and Derrick Rose in '08. The lottery makes it difficult to say for sure, but the team with the worst record that year who had the best chance at getting #1? Miami Heat. A Wade/Rose backcourt would have been amazing for the Heat to build around, but it also definitely affects their chances/desire to go get both Bosh and LeBron two seasons later.

- If LeBron doesn't go to the Heat, is his destination the Knicks instead? In retrospect, it seems clear that Cleveland was never at option in LeBron's mind (despite his claims), and the Knicks probably would have been his second, most realistic choice. The Knicks definitely don't sign Carmelo if they sign LeBron, questionable if they still sign Amare.

- '10-11 is the interesting year in the East. The Celtics on paper are the best team but had injury problems. The Bulls would have had Kobe, Deng, Noah, and.....? They likely would have signed some free agent big men...Boozer still? Or perhaps they would have ended up with Bosh rather than Miami? Ridiculous to think that Kobe would have accepted LeBron on the team, though that is a frightening thing to think about. The Mavs proba ...


Wow, do you write sports fanfic? Seriously, though, that is some pretty interesting analysis :-)
 
2012-11-08 11:11:17 AM  
made me laugh
 
2012-11-08 11:13:50 AM  

jayhawk88: - If LeBron doesn't go to the Heat, is his destination the Knicks instead? In retrospect, it seems clear that Cleveland was never at option in LeBron's mind (despite his claims), and the Knicks probably would have been his second, most realistic choice. The Knicks definitely don't sign Carmelo if they sign LeBron, questionable if they still sign Amare.


I doubt LeBron goes to a bad Knicks team. He wanted to win enough that he took a little less than the max to play with Wade and Bosh because he thought that would make winning easy. He probably wouldn't have gone anywhere that didn't have at least one legit star. I wonder how his game would pair with Dirk's.
 
2012-11-08 11:18:51 AM  

jayhawk88: - If LeBron doesn't go to the Heat, is his destination the Knicks instead? In retrospect, it seems clear that Cleveland was never at option in LeBron's mind (despite his claims), and the Knicks probably would have been his second, most realistic choice. The Knicks definitely don't sign Carmelo if they sign LeBron, questionable if they still sign Amare.


I think there's a good chance he stays with Cleveland if there was no Miami opportunity. But the reaches go beyond that - Chris Paul also wanted to be on a team with the rest of the Olympians so maybe he joins whatever city LeBron/Bosh go to (though it's possible the Heat take both of them).

BTW, we all think it's a coincidence that Chicago gets the No. 1 pick when Rose comes out in the draft (given that he's from Chicago and they needed some star power with people actually starting to give a sh*t about the Blackhawks again), Cleveland gets the No. 1 both when LeBron enters the draft (local kid again) and after he leaves (to repair damage in Cleveland)? Not to mention New Orleans getting it after Stern screws them over with the Chris Paul veto and as someone buys the team from the league?

But yeah, there are a ton of really intriguing "what ifs" in the NBA. Like what if the Schultz manages the Sonics properly? Ray Allen maybe never gets shipped to the Celtics. The Celtics never create a Big 3. LeBron probably feels like he has a chance to win a title in Cleveland because he's not losing to them every year. Maybe the Miami team never happens. Schultz might not get Presti; the Sonics might never get the talent OKC currently has. There's no team in OKC. Do the Lakers probably go and get Nash AND Howard? I don't think so.

In that scenario, the last five teams in the East to make the Finals never happen, a franchise doesn't get relocated, etc...and all it requires is for one multibillionaire to not be a cheapskate.
 
2012-11-08 11:22:44 AM  

you have pee hands: jayhawk88: - If LeBron doesn't go to the Heat, is his destination the Knicks instead? In retrospect, it seems clear that Cleveland was never at option in LeBron's mind (despite his claims), and the Knicks probably would have been his second, most realistic choice. The Knicks definitely don't sign Carmelo if they sign LeBron, questionable if they still sign Amare.

I doubt LeBron goes to a bad Knicks team. He wanted to win enough that he took a little less than the max to play with Wade and Bosh because he thought that would make winning easy. He probably wouldn't have gone anywhere that didn't have at least one legit star. I wonder how his game would pair with Dirk's.


And this is why LeBron is overrated. He could not carry a team himself. I'm not a lakers fan, but at least Kobe was willing to carry his team to a title without Shaq. Sadly, management thinks otherwise. Oh and as a Spurs fan

/Tim Duncan.

In all seriousness, It's not the first girl you fark that matters, it's the last one. Lakers will be fine and breaks my heart to admit it.
 
2012-11-08 11:26:51 AM  

you have pee hands: I doubt LeBron goes to a bad Knicks team. He wanted to win enough that he took a little less than the max to play with Wade and Bosh because he thought that would make winning easy. He probably wouldn't have gone anywhere that didn't have at least one legit star. I wonder how his game would pair with Dirk's.


I'm not sure '10 LeBron still fully knew how important winning a championship was, or what it was going to take. Even during that whole FA silly season, it was all about LeBron, culminating with The Decision. He wanted to win titles, sure, but it really seemed like going to Miami and hanging with his boy Wade was equally important to his decision.

I think that if Miami/being with Wade is out of the picture, then the chance to be "The Man in NYC" would have been the deciding factor for him. Remember the Knicks signed Amare before LeBron made his decision, but they were definitely getting reports that their chances were fading, and the Amare deal was a bit of a desperation move on their part: Both to help convince LeBron to come, and also as a saving face move to their fans after they had tanked/gutted their roster the past season. If Miami wasn't in the mix, they hold off on Amare some, and probably could have sold LeBron on the idea of signing him, and still being able to sign another marquee FA (Joe Johnson?).
 
2012-11-08 11:27:31 AM  

riverwalk barfly: He could not carry a team himself.


No one in the history of the sport has.

riverwalk barfly: I'm not a lakers fan, but at least Kobe was willing to carry his team to a title without Shaq.


If by carry his team to a title, you mean quit on them in the playoffs, demand a trade, then be placated when his team acquired another All-Star or two and then managed to win a title again.
 
2012-11-08 11:29:06 AM  

riverwalk barfly: And this is why LeBron is overrated. He could not carry a team himself. I'm not a lakers fan, but at least Kobe was willing to carry his team to a title without Shaq. Sadly, management thinks otherwise. Oh and as a Spurs fan


No one can carry a team by himself, even Wilt couldn't do it and he was physically 40 years ahead of his time. The only year Kobe really had to carry the Lakers by himself he spent the whole time biatching about Smush Parker and they lost in the first round. There's a really, really big difference between Pau Gasol and Anderson Varejao.
 
2012-11-08 11:30:56 AM  

riverwalk barfly: but at least Kobe was willing to carry his team to a title without Shaq.


...after the Lakers got Pau Gasol for 10 cents on the dollar and had Bynum stay healthy/effective.
 
2012-11-08 11:31:18 AM  

you have pee hands: riverwalk barfly: And this is why LeBron is overrated. He could not carry a team himself. I'm not a lakers fan, but at least Kobe was willing to carry his team to a title without Shaq. Sadly, management thinks otherwise. Oh and as a Spurs fan

No one can carry a team by himself, even Wilt couldn't do it and he was physically 40 years ahead of his time. The only year Kobe really had to carry the Lakers by himself he spent the whole time biatching about Smush Parker and they lost in the first round. There's a really, really big difference between Pau Gasol and Anderson Varejao.


I wasn't trolling. Your point is valid. Go Spurs?
 
2012-11-08 11:34:29 AM  
I'd argue that Kareem carried the Milwaukee Bucks to a title...
 
2012-11-08 11:38:28 AM  

IAmRight: But yeah, there are a ton of really intriguing "what ifs" in the NBA. Like what if the Schultz manages the Sonics properly? Ray Allen maybe never gets shipped to the Celtics. The Celtics never create a Big 3. LeBron probably feels like he has a chance to win a title in Cleveland because he's not losing to them every year. Maybe the Miami team never happens. Schultz might not get Presti; the Sonics might never get the talent OKC currently has. There's no team in OKC. Do the Lakers probably go and get Nash AND Howard? I don't think so.


Wasn't the Seattle/OKC move more about the owner wanting to get the city to build him a new stadium, and Seattle telling him to go to hell?
 
2012-11-08 11:41:59 AM  

LucklessWonder: I'd argue that Kareem carried the Milwaukee Bucks to a title...


hmmm. Oscar Robertson?
 
2012-11-08 11:42:53 AM  

jayhawk88: riverwalk barfly: but at least Kobe was willing to carry his team to a title without Shaq.

...after the Lakers got Pau Gasol for 10 cents on the dollar and had Bynum stay healthy/effective.


Pau had nothing but success before becoming a Laker right?
Let's see how Bynum does without Kobe.

/works both ways
 
2012-11-08 11:47:02 AM  

jayhawk88: Wasn't the Seattle/OKC move more about the owner wanting to get the city to build him a new stadium, and Seattle telling him to go to hell?


If Schultz wasn't a cheapskate, he doesn't sell to the Okie who acts as though he's interested in staying in Seattle (when emails among the purchasing group show that it's clear they bought the team specifically to move it to OKC) as long as they're willing to spend an exorbitant amount on a new stadium - which he knew they wouldn't do, given that they were still paying off the renovation to KeyArena that was done a decade before that, not to mention two other stadia.

There may still be an OKC team, but it would be from another city - Bennett and Co. just wanted A team - the Sonics happened to be the first ones on the market when he was looking.

This can also be played with Katrina - NO was on the market prior to Katrina and they wound up just being a test run for OKC, but there was definitely interest in moving that squad - but because of Katrina, Stern didn't want that image for the league...the fact that they weren't making money is kinda sh*tty to bring up PR-wise when the city can claim that it's because they just got hit by a hurricane.

/basically, Katrina cost Seattle its basketball team
 
2012-11-08 11:48:37 AM  

riverwalk barfly: I wasn't trolling. Your point is valid. Go Spurs?


Didn't say you were. Also, Popovich is hilarious.
 
2012-11-08 11:49:27 AM  

Free Radical: /works both ways


The difference is that no one's stupid enough to claim that Pau Gasol carried teams to championships. People ARE stupid enough to claim that Kobe carried subpar teams to championships, despite the fact that actual history shows that he both quit on his team in a playoff Game 7 AND demanded a trade to another team when he was "carrying" the Lakers.

Some of us won't accept people re-writing history to make a cockamamie argument against someone that they don't like.
 
2012-11-08 12:12:15 PM  
If the Lakeshow can get to .500 by December I'm cool with it. I'd rather finish strong than start the season like gangbusters.
 
2012-11-08 12:17:23 PM  

jayhawk88:
Wasn't the Seattle/OKC move more about the owner wanting to get the city to build him a new stadium, and Seattle telling him to go to hell?

 

Or worse, Oklahoma City.
 
2012-11-08 12:43:48 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Sargun: xanadian: I don't get it.

Last year, the backup QB for the Eagles called them the "Dream Team" after acquiring several sought-after free agents. They're now failing for the second straight year. The Lakers picked up several sought-after free agents and are falling flat on their faces.

The whole joke is inaccurate as the Lakers didn't do anything like the Heat or Eagles did in the media.

It's just fark being whiney douchenozzles.


Dwight Howard and Steve Nash agree with you....

Plus the idea of overpaying for names to fail on a team still is co-copyright owned by the Redskins and Raiders until further notice...
 
2012-11-08 12:48:25 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Cybernetic: Apt metaphor is apt.

Incorrect analogy is incorrect.

No one said anything like what Lebron or Vince Young said.


The athletes may not have said it, but it was said for them, repeatedly, by the sports media. The "dream team" label is becoming almost as reliable a jinx as the Sports Illustrated cover. Come to think of it, Nash and Howard were on the SI cover just before the season started, so maybe that's the problem.
 
2012-11-08 12:50:05 PM  
Nash and Kobe don't fit together and Howard is overrated.
 
2012-11-08 12:52:08 PM  

jayhawk88: Wasn't the Seattle/OKC move more about the owner wanting to get the city to build him a new stadium, and Seattle telling him to go to hell?


no. it was not. sonicsgate. the sonics were stolen.
 
2012-11-08 12:53:38 PM  

Cybernetic: Jim from Saint Paul: Cybernetic: Apt metaphor is apt.

Incorrect analogy is incorrect.

No one said anything like what Lebron or Vince Young said.

The athletes may not have said it, but it was said for them, repeatedly, by the sports media. The "dream team" label is becoming almost as reliable a jinx as the Sports Illustrated cover. Come to think of it, Nash and Howard were on the SI cover just before the season started, so maybe that's the problem.


Then hate on the media. The Lakers players didn't say shiat.

This seems to be the level of "GOD I HOPE YOU BASTARDS FAIL" sports tab rage saved for the Heat and the Eagles.

/yes I am a T-Wolves fan white knighting the Lakers
//fark is just being stupid about this
///no, Kobe won;t have sex with me
////rape me maybe, but no sex
 
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