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2012-11-08 04:40:58 AM
I hear that he's a superb balladeer as well.
 
2012-11-08 04:41:23 AM
"Kuhr previously was president of Strategic Emergency Group, a consulting firm that had contracts with New York City, the state and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, according to the news release announcing his appointment. Kuhr had also worked for New York City for 20 years including with the fire department."

Lol, someone is actually going to have to find their way in the workforce for the first time in forever.

With a black eye on his history to boot.

/and many lols were had
 
2012-11-08 04:41:47 AM
Good
 
2012-11-08 04:42:20 AM
Andrew Cuomo shot a man?

WOW.
 
2012-11-08 04:47:17 AM
Constantine X Doukas devastated, cannot believe useless bureaucracy was found to be at fault.
 
2012-11-08 04:49:47 AM
Kuhr sounds like he was acting like a Sandy flap.
 
2012-11-08 04:50:25 AM
Reminds me of the start of Red Storm Rising.. with the Politburo discussing the big oil field fire.

'Weren't we going to build another guard post at this point? Oh, a local party official took the materials to make himself a house?' No one needed to say that that man would die.
 
2012-11-08 05:00:47 AM
can someone explain to me why the utility poles in New England have never been buried?

just amazing to me how every single year lights go out, people get hosed, all sorts of bad stuff happens... BECAUSE THE UTILITY POLES GET WACKED IN STORMS.

like... bad storms in new england are some sort of rare phenomenon or something.

i mean, i can kinda see it in places like phoenix or vegas or LA where there's so little bad weather, but in NY?
 
2012-11-08 05:05:25 AM

bk3k: Andrew Cuomo shot a man?


In Utica, just to watch him die.

/we don't have a reno so we make do
 
2012-11-08 05:06:47 AM

Father_Jack: can someone explain to me why the utility poles in New England have never been buried?

just amazing to me how every single year lights go out, people get hosed, all sorts of bad stuff happens... BECAUSE THE UTILITY POLES GET WACKED IN STORMS.

like... bad storms in new england are some sort of rare phenomenon or something.

i mean, i can kinda see it in places like phoenix or vegas or LA where there's so little bad weather, but in NY?


There was an article on this earlier this year, decrying why we don't farking put our utility lines under ground like other civilized nations. Short answer? We ghetto. We ghetto as fark.
 
2012-11-08 05:14:12 AM

Father_Jack: can someone explain to me why the utility poles in New England have never been buried?

just amazing to me how every single year lights go out, people get hosed, all sorts of bad stuff happens... BECAUSE THE UTILITY POLES GET WACKED IN STORMS.

like... bad storms in new england are some sort of rare phenomenon or something.

i mean, i can kinda see it in places like phoenix or vegas or LA where there's so little bad weather, but in NY?


It's pretty damn expensive, especially in already-developed areas. And that's just for the processs. Everybody in Westchester who's biatching about Con Ed and NYSEG being slow to restore power this week would be biatching next spring about Con Ed and NYSEG ripping up their front yards to put in the power lines.

And the the level of lawyering-up would be astounding.
 
2012-11-08 05:14:55 AM
Getting fired is a slap on the wrist. He will probably be on the water board, or tax office, or something in govenment in a few months. Probably keep his pension and benefits too. For one year, any type of fraud or corruption in any government employed position should be dealt with in the harshest of terms. Lifetime blacklist from all jobs public and private. No sort of public welfare. Anyone caught providing shelter goes to jail for 1 week. Only street begging for food and clothing.

Abuse of power cannot be tolerated.

This would cut down on corruption real quick.
 
2012-11-08 05:19:05 AM
Burying cable is more expensive then utility poles, can trap gasses if there are pressurized lines that may have sprung a leak (nitrogen kills quickly), trapped heat could degrade cabling faster, shifting earth can cause havoc over time, and digging it up for repairs or upgrades is more disruptive. In some rich neighborhoods it's done to shut the whiney biatches up, in high density areas it's done since it is more practical, but for rural peon areas the utility pole is here to stay.

Well, those are my guesses why we don't bury everything.
 
2012-11-08 05:20:04 AM

AmbassadorBooze: Getting fired is a slap on the wrist. He will probably be on the water board, or tax office, or something in govenment in a few months. Probably keep his pension and benefits too. For one year, any type of fraud or corruption in any government employed position should be dealt with in the harshest of terms. Lifetime blacklist from all jobs public and private. No sort of public welfare. Anyone caught providing shelter goes to jail for 1 week. Only street begging for food and clothing.

Abuse of power cannot be tolerated.

This would cut down on corruption real quick.


For all the terrible, awful things the People's Republic of China does, their punishment of politicians who abuse the office is not amongst them. Hard labor, anyone?
 
2012-11-08 05:24:57 AM

muck1969: Burying cable is more expensive then utility poles, can trap gasses if there are pressurized lines that may have sprung a leak (nitrogen kills quickly), trapped heat could degrade cabling faster, shifting earth can cause havoc over time, and digging it up for repairs or upgrades is more disruptive. In some rich neighborhoods it's done to shut the whiney biatches up, in high density areas it's done since it is more practical, but for rural peon areas the utility pole is here to stay.

Well, those are my guesses why we don't bury everything.


Honestly, the safety concerns of pressurized lines, which are rare to begin with, are negligible. It's entirely cost. By virtue of having developed, older cities (which, unlike Europe, were not bombed into oblivion) we've lost out on the chance to cheaply install modern, subterranean utility lines. Thus our always terrible politicians have decided that fark it, we can't afford reliable, consistent power.
 
2012-11-08 05:46:52 AM
Everyone in Long Island is in the mafia.
 
2012-11-08 05:48:04 AM

Father_Jack: can someone explain to me why the utility poles in New England have never been buried?

just amazing to me how every single year lights go out, people get hosed, all sorts of bad stuff happens... BECAUSE THE UTILITY POLES GET WACKED IN STORMS.

like... bad storms in new england are some sort of rare phenomenon or something.

i mean, i can kinda see it in places like phoenix or vegas or LA where there's so little bad weather, but in NY?


$$$$$$

Of course it's the money fool!

Costs about $1.5K-$2K per mile to bury urban/suburban power lines, probably more in the northeast. And that's just the direct costs. Add in 10-20 years of environmental review, NIMBY lawsuits, etc., and the numbers just go up.

If you're willing to more or less double your electric bill for the next 10-20 years (and can convince your fellow utility customers to agree to the same) - assuming you live in the northeast - you can get this done sometime within the next two decades (more or less).
 
2012-11-08 05:59:53 AM
Subby, are you implying that New Orleans officials might be corrupt? Don't you know they're black, democrats, and therefore above suspicion and quite beyond blame for their failings? If this gets out, it'll really put a dent in the whole "Katrina was Bush's fault" meme farkers like so much.
 
2012-11-08 06:22:05 AM

Hunter_Worthington: Subby, are you implying that New Orleans officials might be corrupt? Don't you know they're black, democrats, and therefore above suspicion and quite beyond blame for their failings? If this gets out, it'll really put a dent in the whole "Katrina was Bush's fault" meme farkers like so much.


Louisiana has been a giant corruption-fest for decades and if you think the GOP wasn't also ears-deep in it I have a pool of kool-aid you can go swim laps in.

Maybe since Katrina they finally realized they're a national punchline and cleaned up a bit, kinda like Jersey.
 
2012-11-08 06:27:03 AM

muck1969: Burying cable is more expensive then utility poles, can trap gasses if there are pressurized lines that may have sprung a leak (nitrogen kills quickly), trapped heat could degrade cabling faster, shifting earth can cause havoc over time, and digging it up for repairs or upgrades is more disruptive. In some rich neighborhoods it's done to shut the whiney biatches up, in high density areas it's done since it is more practical, but for rural peon areas the utility pole is here to stay.

Well, those are my guesses why we don't bury everything.


You can probably also add "farking pain in the ass to diagnose and repair" when something goes wrong with a wire underground.
 
2012-11-08 06:28:02 AM

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: Constantine X Doukas devastated, cannot believe useless bureaucracy was found to be at fault.


Sandy's a big Arping problem.

/clearly got nothin'
 
2012-11-08 06:29:08 AM
Cuomo 2016!
 
2012-11-08 06:33:19 AM

muck1969: for rural peon areas the utility pole is here to stay.


Good guesses. I guess someone didn't tell the folks that did our development. I am in as rural of an area as you can get and our power is below ground. It really doesn't matter though, all of the lines going to it are above ground.
 
2012-11-08 06:35:37 AM

Hunter_Worthington: Subby, are you implying that New Orleans officials might be corrupt? Don't you know they're black, democrats, and therefore above suspicion and quite beyond blame for their failings? If this gets out, it'll really put a dent in the whole "Katrina was Bush's fault" meme farkers like so much.


I don't know. Since no one here has taken this position about New Orleans officials and no seems likely to (in light of the suggestions above that corrupt officials be blacklisted from all jobs or sentenced to hard labor), it seems pointless to speculate, wouldn't you agree?

In all honesty if I were jaded or inclined to sarcasm, I might suggest that you were in fact knowingly posting bullshiat in order to fulfill some desperate need for attention by getting people to point out that you're wrong. That would, of course, not happen because the posting rules disallow trolling.
 
2012-11-08 06:44:55 AM
I wonder what it says about our current state of political corruption that this guy's sin seems kind of like small potatoes. I agree that Kuhr shouldn't have done that, and firing him sounds like the right call, but it seems like punishing a kid in class for shooting spitwads when the janitors are raiding lockers for electronics and getting off scot-free.

Also, power lines should be buried--should have been buried long ago. We're in the 21st century and still using late 19th-century technology (wires dangling from poles) for part of our electricity infrastructure. The Jetsons would be ashamed.
 
2012-11-08 06:50:54 AM

muck1969: Burying cable is more expensive then utility poles, can trap gasses if there are pressurized lines that may have sprung a leak (nitrogen kills quickly), trapped heat could degrade cabling faster, shifting earth can cause havoc over time, and digging it up for repairs or upgrades is more disruptive. In some rich neighborhoods it's done to shut the whiney biatches up, in high density areas it's done since it is more practical, but for rural peon areas the utility pole is here to stay.

Well, those are my guesses why we don't bury everything.


Plus, where will all the birds sit?
 
2012-11-08 07:09:10 AM

Father_Jack: can someone explain to me why the utility poles in New England have never been buried?

just amazing to me how every single year lights go out, people get hosed, all sorts of bad stuff happens... BECAUSE THE UTILITY POLES GET WACKED IN STORMS.

like... bad storms in new england are some sort of rare phenomenon or something.

i mean, i can kinda see it in places like phoenix or vegas or LA where there's so little bad weather, but in NY?


people biatch and moan about the expense of burying so many lines. Our population density isn't high enough honestly to warrant it like say in NYC. Utility poles are cheap and easy to access. Bad storms aren't rare but some of us already pay the highest utility costs in the nation (in CT) and honestly we would very much like it to not go higher. So they can stay above ground thank you very much.
 
2012-11-08 07:19:36 AM

muck1969: (nitrogen kills quickly)


Okay this caught my eye and I have to ask. Our atmosphere is about 70% nitrogen (N2). How they hell does nitrogen kill, other than asphyxiation at concentrations greater than 70%?
 
2012-11-08 07:20:30 AM
Meh.
I'll bet the governor got any downed trees quickly removed from around the mansion or whatever.
Shouldn't the head of the state emergency management system be able to function normally, too?

derp.
 
2012-11-08 07:23:30 AM

Free Radical: muck1969: Burying cable is more expensive then utility poles, can trap gasses if there are pressurized lines that may have sprung a leak (nitrogen kills quickly), trapped heat could degrade cabling faster, shifting earth can cause havoc over time, and digging it up for repairs or upgrades is more disruptive. In some rich neighborhoods it's done to shut the whiney biatches up, in high density areas it's done since it is more practical, but for rural peon areas the utility pole is here to stay.

Well, those are my guesses why we don't bury everything.

Plus, where will all the birds sit?


Either moles will start sitting on utility lines instead (which we'll never see directly, so we won't even know it's happening), or birds will start sitting on the ground in oddly straight lines.

/And the nation's feral cats will feast.
 
2012-11-08 07:24:21 AM
Pour encourager les autres
 
2012-11-08 07:25:59 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: muck1969: (nitrogen kills quickly)

Okay this caught my eye and I have to ask. Our atmosphere is about 70% nitrogen (N2). How they hell does nitrogen kill, other than asphyxiation at concentrations greater than 70%?


It gets a massive bonus to backstabbing damage.
 
2012-11-08 07:32:57 AM

TDBoedy: Father_Jack: can someone explain to me why the utility poles in New England have never been buried?

just amazing to me how every single year lights go out, people get hosed, all sorts of bad stuff happens... BECAUSE THE UTILITY POLES GET WACKED IN STORMS.

like... bad storms in new england are some sort of rare phenomenon or something.

i mean, i can kinda see it in places like phoenix or vegas or LA where there's so little bad weather, but in NY?

people biatch and moan about the expense of burying so many lines. Our population density isn't high enough honestly to warrant it like say in NYC. Utility poles are cheap and easy to access. Bad storms aren't rare but some of us already pay the highest utility costs in the nation (in CT) and honestly we would very much like it to not go higher. So they can stay above ground thank you very much.


I was curious about this statement so I did a quick googling of it. You're more or less correct. Link
We're almost charged the most according to the latest update (Jan 2012) Hawaii wins the distinction of being charged the most though. However, I only pay about $.08 per kWh in northern Fairfield County, so I'm curious to know where CL&P and UI charge people upwards of $.18. Are people not shopping around for suppliers that offer lower kWh rates or something?
 
2012-11-08 07:38:34 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: I'll bet the governor got any downed trees quickly removed from around the mansion or whatever.


Actually, he lives at his girlfriend's house and they're still off the grid.

But hey, they've got a generator and she's hot.
 
2012-11-08 07:38:44 AM

Hunter_Worthington: Subby, are you implying that New Orleans officials might be corrupt? Don't you know they're black, democrats, and therefore above suspicion and quite beyond blame for their failings? If this gets out, it'll really put a dent in the whole "Katrina was Bush's fault" meme farkers like so much.


Hey, did you know that your president is a black man? Did you know that several white male republicans lost their offices to women, gays, minorities, and liberals? I think deflecting like a crazy person and being butthurt for 4 more years is definitely going to provide plenty of lols for us normal people.
 
2012-11-08 07:43:09 AM
Cuomo has my vote if he runs in 16. Christie can suck dick


Speaking of sucking shlong, Obama can bite the big one.

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2012-11-08 07:51:28 AM

Father_Jack: can someone explain to me why the utility poles in New England have never been buried?

just amazing to me how every single year lights go out, people get hosed, all sorts of bad stuff happens... BECAUSE THE UTILITY POLES GET WACKED IN STORMS.

like... bad storms in new england are some sort of rare phenomenon or something.

i mean, i can kinda see it in places like phoenix or vegas or LA where there's so little bad weather, but in NY?


Someone already answered your question, but I feel obligated as a New Yorker to point out that New York is not part of New England, that's Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Connecticut.

New York is part of the Mid-Atlantic States, Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Washington D.C., New York, Virginia, and West Virginia.
 
2012-11-08 07:53:08 AM

TheBigAndTheRed: Cuomo 2016!


Truthyness. The man has been my pick for the Dem nominee ever since Hilary announced her retirement. In any case, like Gov Christie next door, Cuomo needs to look fully engaged in serving the people, and Hurricane Sandy has given him that opportunity. Firing his Emerg Services chief for corruption was just the right touch to send the message that he can make the tough calls, and won't bend to political cronyism.

FWIW, I imagine that it was the crew that outed Kuhr. I can see how it went down, too...something like this: "Crew 557, drop what you're doing and run over to 123 Easy St to remove a fallen tree from Mr Kuhr's driveway."

"Uh, sir, we're restoring power to a hospital, a convent with orphanage and a union neighborhood."

"Screw 'em! The Boss says get your asses over there and clear his driveway!"

"Okay...we're on it." *jots down work order number...accesses Twitter on phone*
 
2012-11-08 07:56:29 AM
Great job you're doin' there, Smugly.

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2012-11-08 07:57:09 AM

Father_Jack: can someone explain to me why the utility poles in New England have never been buried?

just amazing to me how every single year lights go out, people get hosed, all sorts of bad stuff happens... BECAUSE THE UTILITY POLES GET WACKED IN STORMS.

like... bad storms in new england are some sort of rare phenomenon or something.

i mean, i can kinda see it in places like phoenix or vegas or LA where there's so little bad weather, but in NY?


I've been in the Baton Rouge area for the past dozen years (having spent the previous three decades in Dallas, which, no matter what else you might say, is a generally well-managed mdtropolis) and I've gone through a number of major hurricanes here. After every big blow, a bunch of power poles have gone down -- no surprise there. And on every occasion, Entergy has come out and REPLACED THE POLES.

And I keep asking my wife (a New Orleans native), "Why don't they just bury the stupid lines? They're on the ground anyway. And in the next storm they're going to get knocked down again."

Her answer, based on a career as a technical manager with BellSouth, and having been responsible for installing the computer lines for the entire state government, is "It would cost too much. They'd rather keep spending the relatively small amount every couple of years -- over and over -- to replace the poles than make the big investment -- once -- to switch to underground lines."

Fiscal shortsightedness is a way of life in Louisiana.
 
2012-11-08 08:05:59 AM

Summoner101: Kuhr sounds like he was acting like a Sandy flap.


Nice
 
2012-11-08 08:08:39 AM

scanman61: Pour encourager les autres


Aupres de ma blonde.

/Qu'il fait bon dormir.
 
2012-11-08 08:09:20 AM

TheBigAndTheRed: Cuomo 2016!


Came to say this.
 
2012-11-08 08:11:34 AM

AmbassadorBooze: Getting fired is a slap on the wrist. He will probably be on the water board, or tax office, or something in govenment in a few months.


I thought we didn't do torture any more?
 
2012-11-08 08:18:00 AM

mksmith: And I keep asking my wife (a New Orleans native), "Why don't they just bury the stupid lines? They're on the ground anyway. And in the next storm they're going to get knocked down again."

Her answer, based on a career as a technical manager with BellSouth, and having been responsible for installing the computer lines for the entire state government, is "It would cost too much. They'd rather keep spending the relatively small amount every couple of years -- over and over -- to replace the poles than make the big investment -- once -- to switch to underground lines."

Fiscal shortsightedness is a way of life in Louisiana.


Same reason why they use those wood utility poles all over the country. Even though they snap off in the high winds they are cheap and easy to replace. Power continuity is lower priority when compared to cost.
 
2012-11-08 08:18:16 AM

hbk72777: Cuomo has my vote if he runs in 16.


You know, I've been impressed with how Andrew Cuomo has run New York State so far. And I say that as someone who really didn't like his father, or even him when he was HUD secretary.

I'm even impressed that he shut down the CoBIS boondoggle, when it was pointed out to him what a waste it was.
 
2012-11-08 08:25:58 AM
mksmith:
And I keep asking my wife (a New Orleans native), "Why don't they just bury the stupid lines? They're on the ground anyway. And in the next storm they're going to get knocked down again."

Because they live in an area with a high water table, and it's much cheaper than sending out a crew every three to six months to dig up the ground to find the leak that shorted out the power. It's also a pain when you have to go out and replace the entire system every decade or so. High density urban areas are fine - you can dig human-sized tunnels that make maintenance easier - but it's pretty pricey everywhere else.

Aside from the cost and reliability issues, buried lines can't carry as much power. They tend to lose a lot due to capacitance effects, and can't be rerated to higher loads in the future (unless you spend a lot more money "future proofing" the system by installing cables rated for higher power, which can be an issue if the future demand doesn't come).

Besides the initial ten times cost increase per foot (yes, ten times or more expensive to install), you have to put more redundancy in the system because they're so much harder to fix. A problem that takes a few days to fix in an overhead system can take weeks to fix in a buried line. Then you have the issue of "ground movement." In areas with earthquakes or shifting ground, buried lines are hard to keep working.

In operation, buried lines tend to be more unstable - it's harder to maintain voltage at a consistent level due to those capacitive effects.

Buried power is great - in some cases. If the water table is high, it's a terrible idea even in the short run.
 
2012-11-08 08:27:40 AM
Man I wish a tree would fall in my driveway. Free firewood!
 
2012-11-08 08:33:25 AM

hbk72777: Cuomo has my vote if he runs in 16. Christie can suck dick


Speaking of sucking shlong, Obama can bite the big one.

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The soothing tears of impotent rage...
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-11-08 08:36:44 AM
Something worked right?

Someone was fired for being an asshole selfish bureaucratic twit?

Wow!

Seriously... when did this happen last?
 
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