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(AZCentral)   Although you might think that the members of the Millennial Generation are soft and weak, you should know that due to the recession they've adapted to only eating out once a week   (azcentral.com) divider line 144
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2012-11-08 09:12:01 AM  
My generation is the greatest for I have nostalgia on my side.
 
2012-11-08 09:13:04 AM  
That's okay. They should still be used to eating Ramen.
 
2012-11-08 09:14:22 AM  
President Obama will get this economy going, and then they will be able to afford to eat out whenever and where ever they like.
 
2012-11-08 09:14:45 AM  
Harry Balzer LOL
 
2012-11-08 09:15:02 AM  
Once they start eating each other, we'll know they're really frugal.
 
2012-11-08 09:15:04 AM  
obama will further plummet our economy into a sinkhole.
 
2012-11-08 09:15:10 AM  
If you know how to cook eating out gets really boring unless you're going to very high end restaurants. Too many places just reheat food or try and charge $20 for a plate of pasta and shrimp.
 
2012-11-08 09:16:24 AM  

Propain_az: President Obama will get this economy going, and then they will be able to afford to eat out whenever and where ever they like.


Only at government approved restaurants though. Can't have them eating unhealthy food.
 
2012-11-08 09:18:08 AM  

Carth: If you know how to cook eating out gets really boring unless you're going very high to restaurants.


FTFY
 
2012-11-08 09:18:13 AM  
Somewhat poor people can only afford to eat out once a week.

REALLY poor people can only afford to eat out seven times a week.

/somewhat serious
//McNutrition
 
2012-11-08 09:18:51 AM  
Quick, up the tip minimum to 25% then. That'll fix it
 
2012-11-08 09:19:19 AM  

Carth: If you know how to cook eating out gets really boring unless you're going to very high end restaurants. Too many places just reheat food or try and charge $20 for a plate of pasta and shrimp.


There are restaurants between Olive Garden and Per Se....

/well if you don't live in flyover country.
 
2012-11-08 09:20:01 AM  
Pretty good for a bunch of people that have been dead for almost 1,000 years.
 
2012-11-08 09:20:04 AM  
Why then is the line at the Chipotle near my house always 40 people deep?
 
2012-11-08 09:20:06 AM  

lucksi: Quick, up the tip minimum to 25% then. That'll fix it


The only real solution is for business owners to not pay the waitstaff anything and make their compensation solely tip based
 
2012-11-08 09:20:18 AM  
"This is a shift of biblical proportions for the restaurant industry"

i48.tinypic.com

Hey guys, is that a Chili's over there?
 
2012-11-08 09:20:23 AM  
Once a week LESS, not once a week. Still eating out ~4x per week vs. 5x per week 5 years ago.
 
2012-11-08 09:20:30 AM  
34 year olds are Gen-Xers, not "millennials."
 
kab
2012-11-08 09:20:49 AM  
How does 202 times per year = 1x per week, subby?

I'd also be curious as to what they consider 'dining out'. Is fast food included?
 
2012-11-08 09:20:59 AM  
who's they? what the hell is an Aluminum Generation?
 
kab
2012-11-08 09:21:55 AM  

soakitincider: consumers will further plummet our economy into a sinkhole.


There, that's better.
 
2012-11-08 09:22:07 AM  
Eatin' ain't cheatin'
 
2012-11-08 09:23:14 AM  
I'm pretty sure that's a euphemism.
 
2012-11-08 09:23:15 AM  
The millenial generation is too young to perform cunnilingus just yet.

/DNRTFA
 
2012-11-08 09:23:43 AM  

lilplatinum: /well if you don't live in flyover country.


I'm sure in NYC you can find a place that offers real Amish cooking...

Best breakfast I ever had was at an Amish house where they converted their basement into a restaurant.

/I live where the food is
 
2012-11-08 09:24:51 AM  

olapbill: who's they? what the hell is an Aluminum Generation?


I think that's the spaceship from "Star Wars."
 
2012-11-08 09:24:55 AM  
Link 
/Enjoying the epic butthurt in Freeperland
 
2012-11-08 09:25:06 AM  
i love websites that have a big pop-up that states "you must have javascript enabled to view this site." meanwhile, right behind the pop-up, i can see the site clear as day. so i obviously don't need javascript enabled, since i can see the site just fine, they just want me to turn it on for some other reason.
 
2012-11-08 09:25:22 AM  
People eat out 202 times a year! That's crazy. I'm guessing people either never go out like me and people in Houston who eat out for every meal to get this average.
 
2012-11-08 09:26:52 AM  
Umm - subby: Millennials will eat out 202 times annually this year

52 weeks per year.
That's nearly *four times* per week.

Looking at how fat everyone else, I'm okay with this.
 
2012-11-08 09:28:19 AM  

oukewldave: People eat out 202 times a year! That's crazy. I'm guessing people either never go out like me and people in Houston who eat out for every meal to get this average.


Do you make your lunch every day for work or do you buy some food and eat it?
 
2012-11-08 09:29:31 AM  
I'm gen-X and I only eat out about twice a month.

/wife is an excellent cook
//I sound am fat
 
2012-11-08 09:29:43 AM  

Carth: If you know how to cook eating out gets really boring unless you're going to very high end restaurants. Too many places just reheat food or try and charge $20 for a plate of pasta and shrimp.


Food isn't the only reason people go out to eat.
 
2012-11-08 09:31:59 AM  
Oddly enough - I'm poor - so I'm getting a big kick out of this.

Last time I ate out was at a Papa John's in early September.

// Sucks to be me.
 
2012-11-08 09:32:13 AM  
The other 20 times, they are raiding the fridge of their parents or friends.
 
2012-11-08 09:32:42 AM  

oukewldave: People eat out 202 times a year! That's crazy. I'm guessing people either never go out like me and people in Houston who eat out for every meal to get this average.


The other thing to consider is that there are more than 1 meal a day. This stat probably also counts the people who grab a egg mcmuffin at the drive through or a quick chick-fil-a sammy for lunch.

If you figure the average person eats 2.5 meals a day, 202 is only one fifth of their meals. So the stat is not that crazy as it sounds
 
2012-11-08 09:33:02 AM  
I can't seem to stay away from the Old Country Buffet lately.

I really don't know why. Been going there for lunch, like, every day.

Does that count as fine dining?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-11-08 09:33:09 AM  
their sex lives are boring
 
2012-11-08 09:34:10 AM  

corridor: I'm gen-X and I only eat out about twice a month.

/wife is an excellent cook
//I sound am fat



So, eat her out, and skip lunch?
 
2012-11-08 09:34:45 AM  
philly.curbed.com 

It's a buffet!
 
2012-11-08 09:34:57 AM  

Propain_az: President Obama will get this economy going, and then they will be able to afford to eat out whenever and where ever they like.


HAHHAHAHAA... maybe the restaurants will start taking food stamps
 
2012-11-08 09:35:47 AM  

Carth: If you know how to cook eating out gets really boring unless you're going to very high end restaurants. Too many places just reheat food or try and charge $20 for a plate of pasta and shrimp.


This. I hate going somewhere and eating food when the combined cost in time, gas, and money means I could have made something better at home for less.
 
2012-11-08 09:35:51 AM  
"Millennials will eat out 202 times annually this year vs. 252 times a year for their age group back in 2007."

What? Is this serious? Are they counting swinging by Dunkin Donuts for a coffee on the way to work? I seriously sit down in a restaurant and order something to eat maybe twice a month. Who eats a full, sit-down meal almost every day? I don't even know rich people who do that.
 
2012-11-08 09:37:12 AM  

redmid17: oukewldave: People eat out 202 times a year! That's crazy. I'm guessing people either never go out like me and people in Houston who eat out for every meal to get this average.

Do you make your lunch every day for work or do you buy some food and eat it?


I don't eat much at work. I bring fruit and sometimes some carrots and I'll occasionally get some pretzels from the vending machine. I doubt vending machine counts as eating out. I would say I eat out about 45-50 times a year when I add up the 3-5 times at a restaurant and the occasional Subway/Burger King/Wendys/Pizza.
 
2012-11-08 09:38:19 AM  

doczoidberg: I can't seem to stay away from the Old Country Buffet lately.

I really don't know why. Been going there for lunch, like, every day.

Does that count as fine dining?


When I was a kid, there was this video game for the Sega Genesis called Final Fight. You'd walk down the street beating people up, and every once in a while you'd punch a trash can and a roast chicken would fall out and restore your health.

Yeah... That's pretty much what the Old Country Buffet is like.
 
2012-11-08 09:39:46 AM  

MycroftHolmes: If you figure the average person eats 2.5 meals a day, 202 is only one fifth of their meals. So the stat is not that crazy as it sounds


Especially when you consider a lot of people eat at a restaurant at lunch when they're working.
 
2012-11-08 09:40:08 AM  
www.tektonics.org 

/oblig
 
2012-11-08 09:40:43 AM  

Joe Blowme: Propain_az: President Obama will get this economy going, and then they will be able to afford to eat out whenever and where ever they like.

HAHHAHAHAA... maybe the restaurants will start taking food stamps


Now I'm wondering what would happen if cheap buffets did take food stamps. I can see them loading up for the day or so with one meal.
/Man I would not want to be poor.
 
2012-11-08 09:42:24 AM  

Joe Blowme: Propain_az: President Obama will get this economy going, and then they will be able to afford to eat out whenever and where ever they like.

HAHHAHAHAA... maybe the restaurants will start taking food stamps


Some fast food joints do.
 
2012-11-08 09:48:10 AM  
Including the times when I go out for lunch at work, I eat out about 50-60 times a year. Even then it's usually only because the family has snarfed all the leftovers from the fridge by the time I'm getting ready to leave for work.

/I'm the cook in the family, and enjoy doing it.
 
2012-11-08 09:49:40 AM  
My wife handles Lunch and Dinner, and I handle breakfast.

Homemade Biscuits and Gravy. Pancakes, Waffles. Fry up some bacon from the family farm, poach some eggs, toast some homemade bread and spread some homemade strawberry jam over it...and don't forget the fresh brewed coffee (Use a french press).

I make sure I eat breakfast. I can skip lunch and dinner (I try not to) but I have never skipped breakfast.

/damnit, I'm starving now.
 
2012-11-08 09:50:16 AM  

IAmRight: MycroftHolmes: If you figure the average person eats 2.5 meals a day, 202 is only one fifth of their meals. So the stat is not that crazy as it sounds

Especially when you consider a lot of people eat at a restaurant at lunch when they're working.


At one of my last jobs, our meetings and special occasions tended to happen at buffets.

/why yes, we were all fat, why do you ask?
 
2012-11-08 09:50:53 AM  

Carth: If you know how to cook eating out gets really boring unless you're going to very high end restaurants. Too many places just reheat food or try and charge $20 for a plate of pasta and shrimp.


This. The better you get as a cook, the fewer restaurants there are that make acceptible food. Olive Garden, Ruby Tuesday's, TGI Fridays, Applebees, etc. are not were people who like food eat. They are where people who like to eat eat. Here in New England, the non-chain restaurants are hit or miss unless you go somewhere competitive in a specific genre (North End in Boston, Federal Hill in Providence, Wollaston Beach in Quincy, etc.), so when I do eat out, I choose a non-chain. Better to not know that you will get a good meal than be sure you are going to get a bad one.
 
2012-11-08 09:52:18 AM  
As of Tuesday we have changed from once per week to once per month. My trickle down to restaurant workers goes down 75%.
 
2012-11-08 09:53:13 AM  
Well apparently one year too old to be a millenial. Which may explain why I eat supper (not dinner, that can be lunch!) out about twice a month. Pretty sure they're counting breakfast and dinner, and yes, even vending machines, because hey, you aren't eating at home, therefore you must be eating OUT.

As others mentioned, going out to eat isn't all about the food. Yes, I can cook very well. But so can some professionals, and it's as much, if not more, about the ambiance as the food. Dining out is an experience, not just a chance to shove food down your gullet.
 
2012-11-08 09:54:11 AM  
4 times a week, 2.5 average meals a week, 60% of Americans eat breakfast at McDonald's, and a lot of folks will go out to get lunch.

Hm. Just throwing some stats around.
 
2012-11-08 09:55:44 AM  
One time a week LESS, subby.
 
2012-11-08 09:56:45 AM  

Tommy Moo: "Millennials will eat out 202 times annually this year vs. 252 times a year for their age group back in 2007."

What? Is this serious? Are they counting swinging by Dunkin Donuts for a coffee on the way to work? I seriously sit down in a restaurant and order something to eat maybe twice a month. Who eats a full, sit-down meal almost every day? I don't even know rich people who do that.


They probably count ANY food not pre-prepared. One cheeseburger for lunch, donuts ect.
 
2012-11-08 09:57:30 AM  

dustygrimp: Carth: If you know how to cook eating out gets really boring unless you're going to very high end restaurants. Too many places just reheat food or try and charge $20 for a plate of pasta and shrimp.

This. The better you get as a cook, the fewer restaurants there are that make acceptible food. Olive Garden, Ruby Tuesday's, TGI Fridays, Applebees, etc. are not were people who like food eat. They are where people who like to eat eat. Here in New England, the non-chain restaurants are hit or miss unless you go somewhere competitive in a specific genre (North End in Boston, Federal Hill in Providence, Wollaston Beach in Quincy, etc.), so when I do eat out, I choose a non-chain. Better to not know that you will get a good meal than be sure you are going to get a bad one.


The chain's design their food not to offends, so they avoid flavor. Fast food is designed to taste good at the lowest cost, so it is very salty and fatty. High end restaurents can spend money to get good ingredients and good chefs to make the food taste good without being just salt and fat.

That being said, there are whole cadres of ethnic and specialty restaurants that are both very good and not very expensive. The amount of decent Vietnamese, Mexican, Indian, Ethiopian, etc. food that I can get for under $10 is significant.

If you stay on the beaten path, $20 a plate for a plate of pre-made food is not surprising. But it is so not necessary.
 
2012-11-08 09:57:49 AM  
How selfish!

Will no one think of the restaurants?
 
2012-11-08 09:59:19 AM  
www.tdtmag.net

"Times is hard...."
 
2012-11-08 10:02:32 AM  

Tommy Moo: "Millennials will eat out 202 times annually this year vs. 252 times a year for their age group back in 2007."

What? Is this serious? Are they counting swinging by Dunkin Donuts for a coffee on the way to work? I seriously sit down in a restaurant and order something to eat maybe twice a month. Who eats a full, sit-down meal almost every day? I don't even know rich people who do that.


Ah. So clearly subby meant 1x less per week. Meaning they were eating out 5x / week five years ago. That's half a ten. And that's awful.
 
2012-11-08 10:05:27 AM  

MycroftHolmes: High end restaurents can spend money to get good ingredients and good chefs to make the food taste good without being just salt and fat.


Although it almost always is high fat and high salt, because they taste good.
 
2012-11-08 10:07:30 AM  

doczoidberg: I can't seem to stay away from the Old Country Buffet lately.

I really don't know why. Been going there for lunch, like, every day.

Does that count as fine dining?


Only if you have pudding.
 
2012-11-08 10:07:38 AM  

MycroftHolmes: If you stay on the beaten path, $20 a plate for a plate of pre-made food is not surprising. But it is so not necessary.


A lot of people live in areas where the only choice is 'the beaten path'.
 
2012-11-08 10:14:45 AM  

kab: soakitincider: consumers will further plummet our economy into a sinkhole.

There, that's better.


do not misconstrue what i wrote; obama specifically will contribute to the downfall of our society.
 
2012-11-08 10:16:08 AM  

soakitincider: do not misconstrue what i wrote; obama specifically will contribute to the downfall of our society.


Go on . . .
 
2012-11-08 10:16:16 AM  

wildcardjack: Joe Blowme: Propain_az: President Obama will get this economy going, and then they will be able to afford to eat out whenever and where ever they like.

HAHHAHAHAA... maybe the restaurants will start taking food stamps

Some fast food joints do.


No, they don't.
 
2012-11-08 10:19:09 AM  

Public Savant: The millenial generation is too young to perform cunnilingus just yet.

/DNRTFA


they do it, they're just not any good at it. which is why their sisters, girlfriends and wives are into banging old dudes on the lowdown.
 
2012-11-08 10:20:43 AM  

Pokey.Clyde: wildcardjack: Joe Blowme: Propain_az: President Obama will get this economy going, and then they will be able to afford to eat out whenever and where ever they like.

HAHHAHAHAA... maybe the restaurants will start taking food stamps

Some fast food joints do.

No, they don't.


Actually, yes, they do.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2011/09/fast-food-chains-getting - into-the-food-stamp-act/
 
2012-11-08 10:24:07 AM  

Carth: If you know how to cook eating out gets really boring unless you're going to very high end restaurants. Too many places just reheat food or try and charge $20 for a plate of pasta and shrimp.


Or maybe some of us like to eat ethnic foods that we have no idea to prepare at home?

\thanks, English ancestors.
 
2012-11-08 10:26:03 AM  
I try to eat the lady out at least 3x a week.
 
2012-11-08 10:28:43 AM  

Joe Blowme: Propain_az: President Obama will get this economy going, and then they will be able to afford to eat out whenever and where ever they like.

HAHHAHAHAA... maybe the restaurants will start taking food stamps


Jack In The Box already does.
 
2012-11-08 10:30:22 AM  

Priapetic: Pokey.Clyde: wildcardjack: Joe Blowme: Propain_az: President Obama will get this economy going, and then they will be able to afford to eat out whenever and where ever they like.

HAHHAHAHAA... maybe the restaurants will start taking food stamps

Some fast food joints do.

No, they don't.

Actually, yes, they do.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2011/09/fast-food-chains-getting - into-the-food-stamp-act/


So those who cant afford to dont eat out so others can on our dime... nice.
 
2012-11-08 10:33:16 AM  
Although you might think that the members of the Millennial Generation are soft and weak, you should know that due to the recession they've adapted to only eating out once a week

You should really work on that reading comprehension.
 
2012-11-08 10:35:41 AM  

dj_spanmaster: Although you might think that the members of the Millennial Generation are soft and weak, you should know that due to the recession they've adapted to only eating out once a week

You should really work on that reading comprehension.


In his defense, this is FARK
 
2012-11-08 10:36:58 AM  
I don't understand why millennials are having such a hard time getting high-paying jobs. Don't they have an unprecedented ability to utilize social media? I read in Time Magazine that that's like the job skill of the future.

Previous generations only had an unprecedented ability to play Nintendo or use a TV remote or read comic books---and for some reason, it never occurred to them to brag about this on a resume. So this generation has that going for them.
 
2012-11-08 10:39:42 AM  

Egoy3k: MycroftHolmes: If you stay on the beaten path, $20 a plate for a plate of pre-made food is not surprising. But it is so not necessary.

A lot of people live in areas where the only choice is 'the beaten path'.


Considering that hole in the wall restaurants are usually cheaper to open than a Chili's or an Appleby's, I will call BS on that. I have been to the smallest of towns, and it is without exception that they have local diners or restaurants that are better than most chains. You have to look a little, and be wiling to be a little adventurous.

I will put this challenge out there (though we will never be able to test it). Within 5 miles of any Cili's, Appleby's, TGI Friday's, Outback, or Hooters's, there will be at least one local or ethnic restaurent that serves good, cheaper food.
 
2012-11-08 10:42:43 AM  

MycroftHolmes: Egoy3k: MycroftHolmes: If you stay on the beaten path, $20 a plate for a plate of pre-made food is not surprising. But it is so not necessary.

A lot of people live in areas where the only choice is 'the beaten path'.

Considering that hole in the wall restaurants are usually cheaper to open than a Chili's or an Appleby's, I will call BS on that. I have been to the smallest of towns, and it is without exception that they have local diners or restaurants that are better than most chains. You have to look a little, and be wiling to be a little adventurous.

I will put this challenge out there (though we will never be able to test it). Within 5 miles of any Cili's, Appleby's, TGI Friday's, Outback, or Hooters's, there will be at least one local or ethnic restaurent that serves good, cheaper food.


That's about as challenging as saying "I can find water at any point within 5 miles of the ocean."
 
2012-11-08 10:45:45 AM  

redmid17: MycroftHolmes: Egoy3k: MycroftHolmes: If you stay on the beaten path, $20 a plate for a plate of pre-made food is not surprising. But it is so not necessary.

A lot of people live in areas where the only choice is 'the beaten path'.

Considering that hole in the wall restaurants are usually cheaper to open than a Chili's or an Appleby's, I will call BS on that. I have been to the smallest of towns, and it is without exception that they have local diners or restaurants that are better than most chains. You have to look a little, and be wiling to be a little adventurous.

I will put this challenge out there (though we will never be able to test it). Within 5 miles of any Cili's, Appleby's, TGI Friday's, Outback, or Hooters's, there will be at least one local or ethnic restaurent that serves good, cheaper food.

That's about as challenging as saying "I can find water at any point within 5 miles of the ocean."


That's my point. Anyone who says that the big chains are their only options are full of crap. There are good restaurants all over the place.
 
2012-11-08 10:49:39 AM  
That's an absolute tragedy. I weep for American restaurants. How can American business continue to grow if the millennials aren't eating? HOW!?!?


/lol who gives a tiny shiat
 
2012-11-08 10:50:24 AM  
It's far, far worse than that: I heard that some of them have to settle for the 8GB iPhone instead of the 16GB iPhone.

/The horror. The horror.
 
2012-11-08 10:51:30 AM  
The restaurant owners are just corporate greed mongers anyhow. How dare they try to make a profit. They should burn in hell.

/amirite
 
2012-11-08 10:52:23 AM  
And don't forget sushi restaurants. That's one thing I can't cook at home.
 
2012-11-08 10:54:14 AM  

Tommy Moo: "Millennials will eat out 202 times annually this year vs. 252 times a year for their age group back in 2007."

What? Is this serious? Are they counting swinging by Dunkin Donuts for a coffee on the way to work? I seriously sit down in a restaurant and order something to eat maybe twice a month. Who eats a full, sit-down meal almost every day? I don't even know rich people who do that.


I presume they're including any time somebody orders food at any restaurant- so yeah, that includes picking up a donut or grabbing some other fast food- that's buying a meal at a restaurant, isn't it? I don't know if they can filter the "just grab coffee" stops out or not, you'd have to read the actual study. 

Eating out as a term isn't exclusive to a sit down dinner with waitstaff. Of course it includes fast food.
 
2012-11-08 10:54:24 AM  

Tommy Moo: doczoidberg: I can't seem to stay away from the Old Country Buffet lately.

I really don't know why. Been going there for lunch, like, every day.

Does that count as fine dining?

When I was a kid, there was this video game for the Sega Genesis called Final Fight. You'd walk down the street beating people up, and every once in a while you'd punch a trash can and a roast chicken would fall out and restore your health.

Yeah... That's pretty much what the Old Country Buffet is like.


At least you could work off a few calories in the process by playing Haggar, hefting up one of the larger restaurant employees, and powerbombing them through the aforementioned trashcan.

/also, LOL for the reference
 
2012-11-08 10:54:31 AM  
Makes sense to me. I thought this was outrageous until I thought about my own experience. When I worked full time, I ate lunch at fast food about 3x/week and went out with the husband 1x/week for dinner and 1x/weekend for lunch. After we decided I would stay home with the kids, we've dropped that to 1x/month for dinner and almost no fast food. ~260/year to ~20/year. I suspect higher levels of unemployment drops that average for many people in a big way.
 
2012-11-08 10:56:06 AM  
Eating out should cost 5 cents.
 
2012-11-08 11:01:24 AM  
Although I despise cities like they are a plague, I was in the Cherry Creek area of Denver last week. In a coffee shop (oh so tony).

Seated next to me two 20-somethings were bemoaning the economy.

"He has to what?"
"Accept a pay cut, or he won't be able to stay on."
"They can't do that."
"They did."
"How much?"
"He was making$280,000. Now he's down to $200,000."
"OMG, how will he be able to live on that?"

True story
 
2012-11-08 11:03:13 AM  

MycroftHolmes: Egoy3k: MycroftHolmes: If you stay on the beaten path, $20 a plate for a plate of pre-made food is not surprising. But it is so not necessary.

A lot of people live in areas where the only choice is 'the beaten path'.

Considering that hole in the wall restaurants are usually cheaper to open than a Chili's or an Appleby's, I will call BS on that. I have been to the smallest of towns, and it is without exception that they have local diners or restaurants that are better than most chains. You have to look a little, and be wiling to be a little adventurous.

I will put this challenge out there (though we will never be able to test it). Within 5 miles of any Cili's, Appleby's, TGI Friday's, Outback, or Hooters's, there will be at least one local or ethnic restaurent that serves good, cheaper food.


You know how I know you have never spent time in a small rural town? People by me don't trust ethnic food and any ethnic (except for 'Chinese' food) restaurant that opens quickly goes bankrupt. Seriously people near me think pizza is exotic.
 
2012-11-08 11:05:31 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Although I despise cities like they are a plague, I was in the Cherry Creek area of Denver last week. In a coffee shop (oh so tony).

Seated next to me two 20-somethings were bemoaning the economy.

"He has to what?"
"Accept a pay cut, or he won't be able to stay on."
"They can't do that."
"They did."
"How much?"
"He was making$280,000. Now he's down to $200,000."
"OMG, how will he be able to live on that?"

True story


You do realize that everything is relative. In many circles, making $50K a year would be looked at the same way you look at someone making $280K a year. And yes, taking a 30% pay cut will likely negatively affect your lifestyle.

Now, I know you are going to arbitrarily define a minimum standard of living and say that anything more than that is conspicuous consumption.
 
2012-11-08 11:06:04 AM  

MycroftHolmes: The chain's design their food not to offends, so they avoid flavor. Fast food is designed to taste good at the lowest cost, so it is very salty and fatty. High end restaurents can spend money to get good ingredients and good chefs to make the food taste good without being just salt and fat.

That being said, there are whole cadres of ethnic and specialty restaurants that are both very good and not very expensive. The amount of decent Vietnamese, Mexican, Indian, Ethiopian, etc. food that I can get for under $10 is significant.

If you stay on the beaten path, $20 a plate for a plate of pre-made food is not surprising. But it is so not necessary.


You can definitely get decent Mexican and various South American food here and there are good Cambodian and Thai places as well, but the number of them that are good are matched by the number that are bad.
 
2012-11-08 11:10:01 AM  

dustygrimp:

You can definitely get decent Mexican and various South American food here and there are good Cambodian and Thai places as well, but the number of them that are good are matched by the number that are bad.


So you're saying you've got a 50-50 shot of getting good ethnic food in your 'hood? Sounds better than the 0% probability of getting good food at Chili's, Applebees, et al.
 
2012-11-08 11:10:06 AM  

Egoy3k: MycroftHolmes: Egoy3k: MycroftHolmes: If you stay on the beaten path, $20 a plate for a plate of pre-made food is not surprising. But it is so not necessary.

A lot of people live in areas where the only choice is 'the beaten path'.

Considering that hole in the wall restaurants are usually cheaper to open than a Chili's or an Appleby's, I will call BS on that. I have been to the smallest of towns, and it is without exception that they have local diners or restaurants that are better than most chains. You have to look a little, and be wiling to be a little adventurous.

I will put this challenge out there (though we will never be able to test it). Within 5 miles of any Cili's, Appleby's, TGI Friday's, Outback, or Hooters's, there will be at least one local or ethnic restaurent that serves good, cheaper food.

You know how I know you have never spent time in a small rural town? People by me don't trust ethnic food and any ethnic (except for 'Chinese' food) restaurant that opens quickly goes bankrupt. Seriously people near me think pizza is exotic.


You will note that I stated 'local or ethnic' restaurants. I have spent much time in small rural towns (here in Texas, just drive 2 hours in any direction, and you are in a small town). They almost invariably have at least one, if not more, good diners. Hell, I've driven an hour or so just to eat at some small town diners.

And those towns will very seldom support a big chain restaurant.

I will stand by my original contention, there should be no situation where you are forced to eat at a big chain due to the lack of better, usually cheaper options.
 
2012-11-08 11:10:29 AM  

Egoy3k: MycroftHolmes: Egoy3k: MycroftHolmes: If you stay on the beaten path, $20 a plate for a plate of pre-made food is not surprising. But it is so not necessary.

A lot of people live in areas where the only choice is 'the beaten path'.

Considering that hole in the wall restaurants are usually cheaper to open than a Chili's or an Appleby's, I will call BS on that. I have been to the smallest of towns, and it is without exception that they have local diners or restaurants that are better than most chains. You have to look a little, and be wiling to be a little adventurous.

I will put this challenge out there (though we will never be able to test it). Within 5 miles of any Cili's, Appleby's, TGI Friday's, Outback, or Hooters's, there will be at least one local or ethnic restaurent that serves good, cheaper food.

You know how I know you have never spent time in a small rural town? People by me don't trust ethnic food and any ethnic (except for 'Chinese' food) restaurant that opens quickly goes bankrupt. Seriously people near me think pizza is exotic.


Oh yeah and another thing. The 'adventurous' members of this backwards region see advertisements for American chain restaurants like those that you mentioned and really want to go to them. I recently went to North Carolina for business and a local was with me. He actually asked if we could go to an olive garden if we saw it. He had seen the commercials and thought that it would be good. They actually think that those places are 'fine dining'.

Trust me I have literally heard the words "Oh I hope we can go to an Applebees on our vacation to New York!" spoken aloud without a single trace of irony.
 
2012-11-08 11:10:34 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Although I despise cities like they are a plague, I was in the Cherry Creek area of Denver last week. In a coffee shop (oh so tony).

Seated next to me two 20-somethings were bemoaning the economy.

"He has to what?"
"Accept a pay cut, or he won't be able to stay on."
"They can't do that."
"They did."
"How much?"
"He was making$280,000. Now he's down to $200,000."
"OMG, how will he be able to live on that?"

True story


And you apparently know the whole story to be able to judge him like that. If I arbitrarily took 30% of your income, how would that affect your lifestyle?
 
2012-11-08 11:10:37 AM  

Propain_az: President Obama will get this economy going, and then they will be able to afford to eat out whenever and where ever they like.


Sarcasm? Too early, not enough Starbucks, not sure.

Whatever. I won't hold my breath waiting for miracles from Glorious Leader. Not when there's news like this. Link

One of our homeless friends, an out-of-work architect who has been living in his car for the last 3 years, got re-hired by his old company about 3 months ago. He has been busy socking away his salary for, as he said, just in case Obama got re-elected. Sure enough, he got two week notice yesterday. Several projects that the employer was expecting were canceled.

Be that as it may, I voted for the incumbent asshole rather than the magic underwear asshole because incumbent asshole is more likely to renew federal extensions on unemployment insurance. If they get renewed to the normal 99 weeks, I will still have another 54 weeks at $412 per week on the current claim. By then, I'm betting that businesses will be used to the new "normal" and start hiring again.

Well, maybe not here in California. The moron voters passed prop 30 and didn't pass prop 32, so the union bosses are high-fiving with the corrupt assholes in Sacramento and the cost of food (being homeless, we have to eat out, which is taxable) is going up.
 
2012-11-08 11:12:04 AM  

Carth: If you know how to cook eating out gets really boring unless you're going to very high end restaurants. Too many places just reheat food or try and charge $20 for a plate of pasta and shrimp.


Agreed. We are getting very tired of Carl's sausage egg biscuits (best deal in town with 2:1 coupons).
 
2012-11-08 11:12:40 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:

One of our homeless friends, an out-of-work architect who has been living in his car for the last 3 years, got re-hired by his old company about 3 months ago. He has been busy socking away his salary for, as he said, just in case Obama got re-elected. Sure enough, he got two week notice yesterday. Several projects that the employer was expecting were canceled.

Be that as it may, I voted for the incumbent asshole rather than the magic underwear asshole because incumbent asshole is more likely to renew federal extensions on unemployment insurance. If they get renewed to the normal 99 weeks, I will still have another 54 weeks at $412 per week on the current claim. By then, I'm betting that businesses will be used to the new "normal" and start hiring again.

Well, maybe not here in California. The moron voters passed prop 30 and didn't pass prop 32, so the union bosses are high-fiving with the corrupt assholes in Sacramento and the cost of food (being homeless, we have to eat out, which is taxable) is going up.


There's a freeper among us.
 
2012-11-08 11:12:52 AM  

Resident Muslim: Somewhat poor people can only afford to eat out once a week.

REALLY poor people can only afford to eat out seven times a week.

/somewhat serious
//McNutrition


More like 21 times per week.
 
2012-11-08 11:20:43 AM  

FizixJunkee: Just Another OC Homeless Guy:

One of our homeless friends, an out-of-work architect who has been living in his car for the last 3 years, got re-hired by his old company about 3 months ago. He has been busy socking away his salary for, as he said, just in case Obama got re-elected. Sure enough, he got two week notice yesterday. Several projects that the employer was expecting were canceled.

Be that as it may, I voted for the incumbent asshole rather than the magic underwear asshole because incumbent asshole is more likely to renew federal extensions on unemployment insurance. If they get renewed to the normal 99 weeks, I will still have another 54 weeks at $412 per week on the current claim. By then, I'm betting that businesses will be used to the new "normal" and start hiring again.

Well, maybe not here in California. The moron voters passed prop 30 and didn't pass prop 32, so the union bosses are high-fiving with the corrupt assholes in Sacramento and the cost of food (being homeless, we have to eat out, which is taxable) is going up.

There's a freeper among us.


Homelss, lauding more unemployment checks AND voted fo the one??
diannaeanderson.net
 
2012-11-08 11:23:41 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Resident Muslim: Somewhat poor people can only afford to eat out once a week.

REALLY poor people can only afford to eat out seven times a week.

/somewhat serious
//McNutrition

More like 21 times per week.


I tried an experiment of trying to make 10 total servings for $10 (I did this two weeks in a row). It was doable, but consisted on one protein(pork or chicken), one starch (usually rice), maybe some beans, and a variety of lower end vegetables (like onions or celery or such). The food was decent, but not great. If I was spending what a McD's meal costs per meal (call it $4 per serving), I could have made some pretty decent food with better fresh vegetables. There are very few situations where McD's is the only option.
 
2012-11-08 11:24:46 AM  
Tommy Moo
2012-11-08 09:35:51 AM

"Millennials will eat out 202 times annually this year vs. 252 times a year for their age group back in 2007."

What? Is this serious? Are they counting swinging by Dunkin Donuts for a coffee on the way to work? I seriously sit down in a restaurant and order something to eat maybe twice a month. Who eats a full, sit-down meal almost every day? I don't even know rich people who do that.


Yeah im pretty sure this counts fast food and breakfast and lunch as well.
 
2012-11-08 11:27:19 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Propain_az: President Obama will get this economy going, and then they will be able to afford to eat out whenever and where ever they like.

Sarcasm? Too early, not enough Starbucks, not sure.

Whatever. I won't hold my breath waiting for miracles from Glorious Leader. Not when there's news like this. Link

One of our homeless friends, an out-of-work architect who has been living in his car for the last 3 years, got re-hired by his old company about 3 months ago. He has been busy socking away his salary for, as he said, just in case Obama got re-elected. Sure enough, he got two week notice yesterday. Several projects that the employer was expecting were canceled.

Be that as it may, I voted for the incumbent asshole rather than the magic underwear asshole because incumbent asshole is more likely to renew federal extensions on unemployment insurance. If they get renewed to the normal 99 weeks, I will still have another 54 weeks at $412 per week on the current claim. By then, I'm betting that businesses will be used to the new "normal" and start hiring again.

Well, maybe not here in California. The moron voters passed prop 30 and didn't pass prop 32, so the union bosses are high-fiving with the corrupt assholes in Sacramento and the cost of food (being homeless, we have to eat out, which is taxable) is going up.


I am confused by the notion of how continuing unemployment benefits will enable businesses to be able to start hiring again.

If someone has been on unemployment for 99+ weeks, they are pretty much unemployable (if for no other reason than the huge work gap). Rather than renewing unemployment benefits, maybe the government should be creating programs that can make candidates more attractive, or create jobs to close work gaps.

If companies start hiring again, it won't be hiring the guy who has 198 weeks of unemployment.
 
2012-11-08 11:29:35 AM  
*Only* eating out once a week? Those poor people...
 
2012-11-08 11:30:35 AM  
Once a week? Spoiled.
 
2012-11-08 11:36:04 AM  

Tommy Moo: "Millennials will eat out 202 times annually this year vs. 252 times a year for their age group back in 2007."

What? Is this serious? Are they counting swinging by Dunkin Donuts for a coffee on the way to work? I seriously sit down in a restaurant and order something to eat maybe twice a month. Who eats a full, sit-down meal almost every day? I don't even know rich people who do that.


I was grabbing Arby's, Burger King, or Wendy's and doing pretty bad, hundreds of dollars. Work had a cafeteria and I was buying a bagel with ham and egg and cheese for breakfast plus a bottle of orange juice or Sobe, and getting an entree and a soda for lunch, and wound up spending $600/mo on food for just myself (I'm single, always have been). I weigh 150lb.

Even sticking to frozen foods gets you under $200.
 
2012-11-08 11:48:50 AM  
My wife would be upset if that's all I was willing to do.
 
2012-11-08 11:50:13 AM  

FizixJunkee: So you're saying you've got a 50-50 shot of getting good ethnic food in your 'hood? Sounds better than the 0% probability of getting good food at Chili's, Applebees, et al.


Which was my original point. Not sure I agree that all non-corporate restaurants are better than the corporate ones. Much the same as in music, independent /=good. But I know I am going to get a crappy meal at Chili's, so why not try something new instead.
 
2012-11-08 11:53:00 AM  
Maybe we should bring Home-Ec back to schools and call it "Life Management" or something feel good like that (Or hell, just call it Home Ec)

Teach children how to cook cost effective nutritious basic meals (with things like rice, chicken, beans), since most of their parents don't know how to do this themselves. You could also teach them proper food storage and how to re-use leftovers, stretching their dollar even farther.

Before the norm became a "two income household", children would learn these skills from the parent that wasn't working (granted, that was the mom 99% of the time, but it could be either one in this day and age). That has fallen by the wayside, causing an increase in people eating out, usually with cheap, fast, unhealthy options.

If you want a healthier nation, then make this mandatory in schools. Hell, you can also add how to balance a budget, how credit cards work, general home maintenance, and other things that appear in everyday life that nobody knows how to do anymore. It would help the financial stability of this country as well as keeping us healthy.

/education, it works
 
2012-11-08 11:59:22 AM  

Egoy3k: MycroftHolmes: Egoy3k: MycroftHolmes: If you stay on the beaten path, $20 a plate for a plate of pre-made food is not surprising. But it is so not necessary.

A lot of people live in areas where the only choice is 'the beaten path'.

Considering that hole in the wall restaurants are usually cheaper to open than a Chili's or an Appleby's, I will call BS on that. I have been to the smallest of towns, and it is without exception that they have local diners or restaurants that are better than most chains. You have to look a little, and be wiling to be a little adventurous.

I will put this challenge out there (though we will never be able to test it). Within 5 miles of any Cili's, Appleby's, TGI Friday's, Outback, or Hooters's, there will be at least one local or ethnic restaurent that serves good, cheaper food.

You know how I know you have never spent time in a small rural town? People by me don't trust ethnic food and any ethnic (except for 'Chinese' food) restaurant that opens quickly goes bankrupt. Seriously people near me think pizza is exotic.


I agree. I've travelled a lot of the US. Ethnic restaurants in places with less than 400K people are difficult to find, even harder to find good ones. (by ethnic, I mean not chinese, that shiat's everywhere)
 
2012-11-08 11:59:26 AM  
No subby, they're not "only eating out once a week". They're eating out once a week less than they used to.
In 2007, the 18-34 age group ate out 4.8 times a week. This year they're only going out 3.8 days.

Does "eating out" include any meal or just dinner? I don't really consider lunch with coworkers the same as a dinner date.
3.8 meals out of 7 is a lot of eating out, but 4.8 out of 21 doesn't sound that bad.
 
2012-11-08 12:01:23 PM  

Girion47: I agree. I've travelled a lot of the US. Ethnic restaurants in places with less than 400K people are difficult to find, even harder to find good ones. (by ethnic, I mean not chinese, that shiat's everywhere)


every place I've lived has had pretty decent mexican restaurants too. But yeah, the less popular cuisines are, surprisingly, less popular.
 
2012-11-08 12:02:25 PM  

serial_crusher: Girion47: I agree. I've travelled a lot of the US. Ethnic restaurants in places with less than 400K people are difficult to find, even harder to find good ones. (by ethnic, I mean not chinese, that shiat's everywhere)

every place I've lived has had pretty decent mexican restaurants too. But yeah, the less popular cuisines are, surprisingly, less popular.


shiat, I need to correct that. The mexican restaurants are usually "decent" in terms of business success, not in quality of food. I'm looking at you, El Rodeo of Blacksburg Virginia...
 
2012-11-08 12:02:26 PM  

radicalicious: Once a week? Spoiled.


Yeah damn after spending $100,000 on college why would they have five bucks to spare for lunch?
 
2012-11-08 12:02:45 PM  

serial_crusher: Girion47: I agree. I've travelled a lot of the US. Ethnic restaurants in places with less than 400K people are difficult to find, even harder to find good ones. (by ethnic, I mean not chinese, that shiat's everywhere)

every place I've lived has had pretty decent mexican restaurants too. But yeah, the less popular cuisines are, surprisingly, less popular.


mexican or tex mex? huge difference.
 
2012-11-08 12:05:50 PM  

Asphyxium: *Only* eating out once a week? Those poor people...


Nope. Subby was wrong plus the article also mentions older generations eat out even more.
 
2012-11-08 12:25:57 PM  

Egoy3k: MycroftHolmes: Egoy3k: MycroftHolmes: If you stay on the beaten path, $20 a plate for a plate of pre-made food is not surprising. But it is so not necessary.

A lot of people live in areas where the only choice is 'the beaten path'.

Considering that hole in the wall restaurants are usually cheaper to open than a Chili's or an Appleby's, I will call BS on that. I have been to the smallest of towns, and it is without exception that they have local diners or restaurants that are better than most chains. You have to look a little, and be wiling to be a little adventurous.

I will put this challenge out there (though we will never be able to test it). Within 5 miles of any Cili's, Appleby's, TGI Friday's, Outback, or Hooters's, there will be at least one local or ethnic restaurent that serves good, cheaper food.

You know how I know you have never spent time in a small rural town? People by me don't trust ethnic food and any ethnic (except for 'Chinese' food) restaurant that opens quickly goes bankrupt. Seriously people near me think pizza is exotic.


You know how I know you have never spent time in a small rural town? Actual small rural towns don't have Chilis, Applebees, TGI Fridays, Outbacks, or Hooters.
 
2012-11-08 12:29:40 PM  

redmid17: And you apparently know the whole story to be able to judge him like that. If I arbitrarily took 30% of your income, how would that affect your lifestyle?


That's a silly question. The effect on your lifestyle depends on the absolute salary amount, not the percentage drop. A 30% cut in a 30K salary can ruin you. A 30% cut in a $200K salary means that your disposable/investable income decreases.

If you cut my salary by 30%, I'd have to put off stuff like renovating the attic or buying a new kitchen or new living room furniture. Probably fewer trips to Portugal. I'd still have all the money we need to pay the mortgage, bills, daycare, food, and maintain our existing standard of living. And I'm not making anywhere near this guy's tragically low salary.
 
2012-11-08 12:34:39 PM  
How cool would it be if they made food stamps edible
 
2012-11-08 12:37:14 PM  

strathmeyer: radicalicious: Once a week? Spoiled.

Yeah damn after spending $100,000 on college why would they have five bucks to spare for lunch?


Hm... I was referring to the fact that I'm in that generation and I don't think I go out to eat once a week. I think that's an overestimation. It's more like once every 2 weeks to a month. That's probably true for a lot of people in that age group.
 
2012-11-08 12:48:59 PM  
I eat out about once a week, but it's not just about the eating. SO and I go to our favorite restaurant on Saturday or Sunday afternoon, sit on the patio (we've had very nice weather lately), have a couple of drinks before we order and hang out for a couple of hours.

We've stopped eating fast food (that was usually once or twice a week) in the last several months and feel much better for it. (And are less fat too.)
 
2012-11-08 01:28:31 PM  
Chinese on New Year's Eve.

Local Fish & chips on my birthday.

Same on the wife's birthday.

Nice sit-down restaurant on our Anniversary.

Take-out pizza 6 times per year.

So, about ten times.

/low budget
 
2012-11-08 01:36:07 PM  

lucksi: Quick, up the tip minimum to 25% then. That'll fix it


Oh thank goodness, a tipping thread and a kids these days thread combined, just what I always wanted.
 
2012-11-08 01:49:54 PM  

Burr: lilplatinum: /well if you don't live in flyover country.

I'm sure in NYC you can find a place that offers real Amish cooking...

Best breakfast I ever had was at an Amish house where they converted their basement into a restaurant.

/I live where the food is


Mmmmmmmmm hamballs and meadow tea.....
 
2012-11-08 01:57:54 PM  

Egoy3k: Oh yeah and another thing. The 'adventurous' members of this backwards region see advertisements for American chain restaurants like those that you mentioned and really want to go to them. I recently went to North Carolina for business and a local was with me. He actually asked if we could go to an olive garden if we saw it. He had seen the commercials and thought that it would be good. They actually think that those places are 'fine dining'.

Trust me I have literally heard the words "Oh I hope we can go to an Applebees on our vacation to New York!" spoken aloud without a single trace of irony.



umad: You know how I know you have never spent time in a small rural town? Actual small rural towns don't have Chilis, Applebees, TGI Fridays, Outbacks, or Hooters.


Yeah I know. Hence the post almost an hour and a half before yours.
 
2012-11-08 02:16:23 PM  
I stopped eating at restaurants after I married a Portuguese woman.

/Fat and happy and fat
 
2012-11-08 02:52:33 PM  

Xcott: redmid17: And you apparently know the whole story to be able to judge him like that. If I arbitrarily took 30% of your income, how would that affect your lifestyle?

That's a silly question. The effect on your lifestyle depends on the absolute salary amount, not the percentage drop. A 30% cut in a 30K salary can ruin you. A 30% cut in a $200K salary means that your disposable/investable income decreases.

If you cut my salary by 30%, I'd have to put off stuff like renovating the attic or buying a new kitchen or new living room furniture. Probably fewer trips to Portugal. I'd still have all the money we need to pay the mortgage, bills, daycare, food, and maintain our existing standard of living. And I'm not making anywhere near this guy's tragically low salary.


Expenses can mount exponentially as you get older as well. Kids, divorce, college, 401K, whatever you want. Call it first world problems or white person problems or whatever. I was just saying he only knew two things about the guy. For all he knew the guy could have a ridiculous alimony to an ex-wife, a mortgage to a house he doesn't live in, full custody of the kids and has to send them to college. There are ways around everything, but don't pretend like losing 30% of your earnings isn't a shock to your budgeting unless you're old enough to have literally banked away several years of salary ( hundreds of thousands of dollars in this case).

The aforementioned guy would be sending 50-60K (20%) a year to his ex-wife. I'm probably low balling the mortgage payment since the dude would probably have a nice house, but call it around 20K per year with insurance, taxes, and principal payment. Now he's down to 200K minus whatever expenses he incurs from buying/renting a new place and raising multiple kids. If you cut 80K out of his salary, he still has all of those expenses unless he can get the family court to update the alimony amount and maybe exclude the old mortgage, which he'd have to pay a lawyer thousands of dollars to get. The remaining 120K is easily enough to raise a family on well, but I'm saying that it would require a major life adjustment and would really affect future life planning. Admittedly that would be somewhat of an extreme case, but between family friends who've been in similar situations and the bitter, divorced dad threads on Fark, it wouldn't surprise if something like this had played out multiple times.
 
2012-11-08 03:08:43 PM  

redmid17: The aforementioned guy would be sending 50-60K (20%) a year to his ex-wife. I'm probably low balling the mortgage payment since the dude would probably have a nice house, but call it around 20K per year with insurance, taxes, and principal payment. Now he's down to 200K minus whatever expenses he incurs from buying/renting a new place and raising multiple kids. If you cut 80K out of his salary, he still has all of those expenses unless he can get the family court to update the alimony amount and maybe exclude the old mortgage, which he'd have to pay a lawyer thousands of dollars to get. The remaining 120K is easily enough to raise a family on well, but I'm saying that it would require a major life adjustment and would really affect future life planning.


 
media.comicvine.com 

Most of us never see $120K a year total, much less after tax and mortgage. If you need a "major life adjustment" to live on such a meager amount, maybe you should take some remedial classes in home economics.
 
2012-11-08 03:17:03 PM  

Xcott: redmid17: The aforementioned guy would be sending 50-60K (20%) a year to his ex-wife. I'm probably low balling the mortgage payment since the dude would probably have a nice house, but call it around 20K per year with insurance, taxes, and principal payment. Now he's down to 200K minus whatever expenses he incurs from buying/renting a new place and raising multiple kids. If you cut 80K out of his salary, he still has all of those expenses unless he can get the family court to update the alimony amount and maybe exclude the old mortgage, which he'd have to pay a lawyer thousands of dollars to get. The remaining 120K is easily enough to raise a family on well, but I'm saying that it would require a major life adjustment and would really affect future life planning.

 
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Most of us never see $120K a year total, much less after tax and mortgage. If you need a "major life adjustment" to live on such a meager amount, maybe you should take some remedial classes in home economics.


I don't make near that. I'm just saying it's a major adjustment. Also I wasn't even accounting for taxes in that, so feel free to knock off another 20-30% of his total income. Once again, I'm not saying it's hard to live off that income. In fact it should be quite easy. I'm just saying it's a major adjustment.
 
2012-11-08 03:31:01 PM  
FTFA The news is a punch in the gut for $632 billion restaurant industry, which is already struggling. Its most important generation of eaters appears to be drifting away

Quick get the bailout checkbook ready. YUM must flourish!
 
2012-11-08 04:10:47 PM  

FizixJunkee: Just Another OC Homeless Guy:

One of our homeless friends, an out-of-work architect who has been living in his car for the last 3 years, got re-hired by his old company about 3 months ago. He has been busy socking away his salary for, as he said, just in case Obama got re-elected. Sure enough, he got two week notice yesterday. Several projects that the employer was expecting were canceled.

Be that as it may, I voted for the incumbent asshole rather than the magic underwear asshole because incumbent asshole is more likely to renew federal extensions on unemployment insurance. If they get renewed to the normal 99 weeks, I will still have another 54 weeks at $412 per week on the current claim. By then, I'm betting that businesses will be used to the new "normal" and start hiring again.

Well, maybe not here in California. The moron voters passed prop 30 and didn't pass prop 32, so the union bosses are high-fiving with the corrupt assholes in Sacramento and the cost of food (being homeless, we have to eat out, which is taxable) is going up.

There's a freeper among us.


Non sequitur much?
 
2012-11-08 04:13:12 PM  

MycroftHolmes: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Resident Muslim: Somewhat poor people can only afford to eat out once a week.

REALLY poor people can only afford to eat out seven times a week.

/somewhat serious
//McNutrition

More like 21 times per week.

I tried an experiment of trying to make 10 total servings for $10 (I did this two weeks in a row). It was doable, but consisted on one protein(pork or chicken), one starch (usually rice), maybe some beans, and a variety of lower end vegetables (like onions or celery or such). The food was decent, but not great. If I was spending what a McD's meal costs per meal (call it $4 per serving), I could have made some pretty decent food with better fresh vegetables. There are very few situations where McD's is the only option.


A homeless person really has no option EXCEPT McDs or other fast food.
 
2012-11-08 04:17:40 PM  

MycroftHolmes: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Propain_az: President Obama will get this economy going, and then they will be able to afford to eat out whenever and where ever they like.

Sarcasm? Too early, not enough Starbucks, not sure.

Whatever. I won't hold my breath waiting for miracles from Glorious Leader. Not when there's news like this. Link

One of our homeless friends, an out-of-work architect who has been living in his car for the last 3 years, got re-hired by his old company about 3 months ago. He has been busy socking away his salary for, as he said, just in case Obama got re-elected. Sure enough, he got two week notice yesterday. Several projects that the employer was expecting were canceled.

Be that as it may, I voted for the incumbent asshole rather than the magic underwear asshole because incumbent asshole is more likely to renew federal extensions on unemployment insurance. If they get renewed to the normal 99 weeks, I will still have another 54 weeks at $412 per week on the current claim. By then, I'm betting that businesses will be used to the new "normal" and start hiring again.

Well, maybe not here in California. The moron voters passed prop 30 and didn't pass prop 32, so the union bosses are high-fiving with the corrupt assholes in Sacramento and the cost of food (being homeless, we have to eat out, which is taxable) is going up.

I am confused by the notion of how continuing unemployment benefits will enable businesses to be able to start hiring again.

If someone has been on unemployment for 99+ weeks, they are pretty much unemployable (if for no other reason than the huge work gap). Rather than renewing unemployment benefits, maybe the government should be creating programs that can make candidates more attractive, or create jobs to close work gaps.

If companies start hiring again, it won't be hiring the guy who has 198 weeks of unemployment.


Last point first, as I've said before, that long period of unemployment is interspersed with short periods of temp jobs. I've been lucky in that those temp jobs occur at the right times to "renew" my UI Claim, and what I make at them is sufficient to make the weekly amount enough to get by on. Because of the temp work, my resume does not show a huge blank period. Also, the glowing letters of recommendation from the temp job supervisors helps. But, yeah, the spotty record is a hurdle.

I'd love it if the government would create jobs. But Glorious Leader in his infinite wisdom thinks it better to give "stimulus" money to fat cat Dem contributors.
 
2012-11-08 05:14:36 PM  

Xcott: I stopped eating at restaurants after I married a Portuguese woman.

/Fat and happy and fat


You sound fat. And probably happy. But definitely fat.
 
2012-11-08 06:00:39 PM  
Now if only I could get pooping down to once a week.
 
2012-11-08 06:46:51 PM  

Resident Muslim: Somewhat poor people can only afford to eat out once a week.

REALLY poor people can only afford to eat out seven times a week.

/somewhat serious
//McNutrition


When I only had $2 a day to eat (and yes, I was employed- at Fry's Electronics as a tech no less) every meal was at McDonalds. I lost 50 lbs and was half dead by the time my friends abducted me from that job and just had me move in with them. The best value was a sausage biscuit for breakfast and a mcDouble for lunch. No dinner, unless I was able to get some pocket change for a ramen packet.
 
2012-11-08 07:12:02 PM  

redmid17: Xcott: Most of us never see $120K a year total, much less after tax and mortgage. If you need a "major life adjustment" to live on such a meager amount, maybe you should take some remedial classes in home economics.

I don't make near that. I'm just saying it's a major adjustment. Also I wasn't even accounting for taxes in that, so feel free to knock off another 20-30% of his total income. Once again, I'm not saying it's hard to live off that income. In fact it should be quite easy. I'm just saying it's a major adjustment.


A major adjustment from what?

I'm saying it's not a major adjustment. Once you earn above a certain level, your extra income is essentially disposable. You will either invest it, or spend it on things you never really needed and won't really notice living without. If a bunch of that money vanishes from a pay cut, you're still living in the same house with the same standard of living---there is no real adjustment.

As I said before, if I had a 30% pay cut I'd just have less money to spend on purely elective things like trips or remodeling the basement---I'd still have more than enough to cover the mortgage, bills, daycare, and our present standard of living. Less would go into savings, less into the retirement, but at least in the present day there would be no "adjustment."

On the other hand, if I earned 30K/year, a 30% pay cut would require a Hell of an adjustment.
 
2012-11-08 07:19:07 PM  

Xcott: redmid17: Xcott: Most of us never see $120K a year total, much less after tax and mortgage. If you need a "major life adjustment" to live on such a meager amount, maybe you should take some remedial classes in home economics.

I don't make near that. I'm just saying it's a major adjustment. Also I wasn't even accounting for taxes in that, so feel free to knock off another 20-30% of his total income. Once again, I'm not saying it's hard to live off that income. In fact it should be quite easy. I'm just saying it's a major adjustment.

A major adjustment from what?

I'm saying it's not a major adjustment. Once you earn above a certain level, your extra income is essentially disposable. You will either invest it, or spend it on things you never really needed and won't really notice living without. If a bunch of that money vanishes from a pay cut, you're still living in the same house with the same standard of living---there is no real adjustment.

As I said before, if I had a 30% pay cut I'd just have less money to spend on purely elective things like trips or remodeling the basement---I'd still have more than enough to cover the mortgage, bills, daycare, and our present standard of living. Less would go into savings, less into the retirement, but at least in the present day there would be no "adjustment."

On the other hand, if I earned 30K/year, a 30% pay cut would require a Hell of an adjustment.


That right there. I kind of noted that in the post. Obviously the scale slides to a higher grade with less income.
 
2012-11-08 07:29:38 PM  

Leeds: Eatin' ain't cheatin'


and suckin' ain't farkin'....dang I wish that still rhymed...
 
2012-11-08 11:54:51 PM  

MycroftHolmes: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Resident Muslim: Somewhat poor people can only afford to eat out once a week.

REALLY poor people can only afford to eat out seven times a week.

/somewhat serious
//McNutrition

More like 21 times per week.

I tried an experiment of trying to make 10 total servings for $10 (I did this two weeks in a row). It was doable, but consisted on one protein(pork or chicken), one starch (usually rice), maybe some beans, and a variety of lower end vegetables (like onions or celery or such). The food was decent, but not great. If I was spending what a McD's meal costs per meal (call it $4 per serving), I could have made some pretty decent food with better fresh vegetables. There are very few situations where McD's is the only option.


True, though I think you are missing what I was too...and that's some people might not even have a functional kitchen/gas/fridge to store said food.
The initial cost of that can be prohibitive to really poor people.

/knows a guy who actually did what you recommend. Guy lived off tuna casserole when he had had enough and decided to do what it takes to pay off his credit card bills.
 
2012-11-09 12:20:02 AM  
They eat out over 200 times per year?????? Holy crap. No wonder they are all fat asses. I also just lost a lot of sympathy for their claims of not being able to find jobs/earn enough money. When I was in my 20s I think I ate out once every other week. It simply cost too damn much for me. There are better things to do with money.
 
2012-11-09 12:41:25 AM  

Burr: Maybe we should bring Home-Ec back to schools and call it "Life Management" or something feel good like that (Or hell, just call it Home Ec)


It's still there. It's called "Family and Consumer Science" now. Unfortunately, it's not required as there's no test for it associated with NCLB. Plus, fractions are hard.

Before the norm became a "two income household", children would learn these skills from the parent that wasn't working (granted, that was the mom 99% of the time, but it could be either one in this day and age). That has fallen by the wayside, causing an increase in people eating out, usually with cheap, fast, unhealthy options.

My grandparents were poor immigrants and "two income households" were the norm for poor people. Women's liberation was really only for the middle class. My mom learned to cook by going to cooking classes.
 
2012-11-09 07:17:18 AM  

Carth: If you know how to cook eating out gets really boring unless you're going to very high end restaurants. Too many places just reheat food or try and charge $20 for a plate of pasta and shrimp.


Indeed, even in the UK we are not immune to this. It used to be you could go to the pub and have a pint and a nice home cooked meal (depending on the pub obviously). Steak & chips or a homemade pork pie of some description and so on.

Now it seems that irrespective of what pub you go to (out in the country, inner-city chain) it's the exact same food on offer... and it tastes almost exactly the same. It's passable but... yeah... if I'd of wanted McDonalds I'd of bloody gone to the clown.
 
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