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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Bears' cornerback and DPOY candidate Charles Tillman may miss Sunday Night game against Houston if his wife goes into labor, unless he can punch it out   (blogs.suntimes.com) divider line 80
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2012-11-08 08:31:15 AM
I don't know if Mike Florio was being an asshole or a troll, but I love this idea of "plan to have the baby another time." Like a baby is a farking bag of popcorn.

And for what it's worth - there is an old urban legend in the NFL. Duke Hanny played end for the Chicago Bears in the mid- and late-1920s. Hanny was scheduled to get married on a Sunday afternoon, and asked George Halas to miss a game. Halas angrily refused, and told him to play or he'd get fined. On the opening kickoff Hanny started a fight with an opposing player and got ejected, promptly left the stadium, and hopped on a train across town to his wedding.
 
2012-11-08 08:39:26 AM
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2012-11-08 08:40:45 AM

UNC_Samurai: Mike Florio was being an asshole or a troll


Wow. What a farking douche. In other news the NFL is only 16 days of work a year according to a "professional".
 
2012-11-08 08:47:03 AM

UNC_Samurai: I don't know if Mike Florio was being an asshole or a troll, but I love this idea of "plan to have the baby another time." Like a baby is a farking bag of popcorn.


Well the gestation period is pretty predictable. You can do all of your conception attempts between June and December and you'll avoid the full season & playoffs as much as possible.

It's not like babies just happen on their own.
 
2012-11-08 08:47:29 AM
Good, we need all the help we can get
 
2012-11-08 08:50:29 AM
"punch it out"?

I thought we were talking about Charles Tillman not Chris Cook....
 
2012-11-08 08:51:03 AM
Yea, I was gonna bring up Florio's commentary too, glad to see it was done already.

FWIW, I see his point, even though I vehemently disagree with it.

Family is first. Look at what the other Bears are saying:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/08/lovie-smith-brandon-m a rshall-support-any-decision-charles-tillman-makes/

Florio stepped on his dick in this instance. Let Peanut take the day off if his wife is popping one out, and pay him too. Its just the right thing to do. Of course, this is why a former lawyer can't comprehend.
 
2012-11-08 08:55:07 AM
I thought they retired the "Domestic Partner Of the Year" award after Rae Carruth had to return the trophy.
 
2012-11-08 09:01:38 AM

UNC_Samurai: I don't know if Mike Florio was being an asshole or a troll, but I love this idea of "plan to have the baby another time." Like a baby is a farking bag of popcorn.


I was just listening to Mike and Mike talk about this and of course Greenberg was playing devil's advocate (sort of) for Florio's position. Apparently Florio later compared it to members of the armed forces on deployment not getting to come home to be there for the birth.

Now I don't care if you're pro-military, anti-military, or indifferent, but anyone with a functioning brain should agree that their job is far more serious than an NFL player's.

I'm a football fan, but for the love of Pete, keep some perspective. It's a farking game. Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that it has real world consequences.
 
2012-11-08 09:03:40 AM
I guess I'm old fasioned, but if you get paid to work 16 days a year you should be there those 16 days. His career will be over in a few years and he can spend plenty of time with his kid. Also, dnrta so I may be way off base.
 
2012-11-08 09:07:07 AM
Nice of Lovie to let him spend time with family... but christ this is not an opportune time. the Texans? why couldn't God let it happen during the Titans game?? Maybe offense wont screw everything up....

/good to see family values though
 
2012-11-08 09:08:52 AM
Of course I won't hold it against Peanut if he takes the day off, but we really need all hands on deck for this game. The Bears have had a pretty easy schedule so far, and it's time to see what this team is made of.

Front four better get some pressure.
 
2012-11-08 09:12:11 AM
He said if she had the baby Sunday morning, he would be at the game that night. If she is due, why not just induce labor Sunday morning? People have done it for much sillier reasons than a few hundred thousand dollars.
 
2012-11-08 09:15:24 AM

MugzyBrown: UNC_Samurai: I don't know if Mike Florio was being an asshole or a troll, but I love this idea of "plan to have the baby another time." Like a baby is a farking bag of popcorn.

Well the gestation period is pretty predictable. You can do all of your conception attempts between June and December and you'll avoid the full season & playoffs as much as possible.

It's not like babies just happen on their own.


You do realize that pretty much that entire time period is during the season, right? From mid-July through August, players are at a training camp, in a city that's not their home. During the season, they're usually on the road 3-4 days per week and even when they are home, they're still work 6 days a week. Factor in that players have way more "free time" during the offseason and even if they're trying to keep it out of the regular season, accidents will still happen.
 
2012-11-08 09:19:44 AM
You do realize that pretty much that entire time period is during the season, right? From mid-July through August, players are at a training camp, in a city that's not their home. During the season, they're usually on the road 3-4 days per week and even when they are home, they're still work 6 days a week. Factor in that players have way more "free time" during the offseason and even if they're trying to keep it out of the regular season, accidents will still happen.

1) Maybe you're not aware, but having sex isn't very complicated and doesn't take a whole lot of planning or logistics. If you're trying to have a baby, putting an hour (ha) aside a couple of times per week during the season is pretty damn easy.

2) If you're getting paid a whole lot of money to be available for 10 years of your life for 18 or so specific weeks, which are always the same exact weeks every year, I think one of the sacrifices you could make is trying to work around the schedule.
 
2012-11-08 09:19:46 AM
The baby is loose! There's a scramble for it -- and it looks like Nurse Rodriguez has it!
 
2012-11-08 09:25:05 AM
Who cares? Out of conference games are pretty much a dont-care for the playoff tiebreaker scenarios.. unless the Bears finish the with same record in every way with the Packers (split head-to-head, same division record, same conference record,) and it comes down to common opponents. Even then the Colts game is already in the Bears favor there.

He's had a good year, let him take the day off. Family first.
 
2012-11-08 09:43:18 AM
Good for him. He'll barely remember what happens in this game in two weeks, and definitely not in a year. He'll remember the birth of his child forever.

Also, Florio must have been trolling. He's usually pretty sensible and an informed guy. To compare a meaningless football game to the armed services is just too blatant. I give him an 8/10 though because it rustled people's jimmies and that's the goal of any troll.
 
2012-11-08 09:46:30 AM

omnimancer28: He said if she had the baby Sunday morning, he would be at the game that night. If she is due, why not just induce labor Sunday morning? People have done it for much sillier reasons than a few hundred thousand dollars.


This. People know you can (and many, many, many do, often because the woman works or to coincide with others' schedules - like if the rest of the family doesn't get time off, they can schedule it on a weekend so family can be there for support) induce labor, right?
 
2012-11-08 09:51:55 AM
Headline win!
Maybe Vick should do the delivery?
 
2012-11-08 09:53:20 AM
BTW, I support giving him time off if that's the day the baby comes, and I wouldn't have a problem with him not being at the game...but yeah, you can schedule the birth with no real danger to the baby or mom.
 
2012-11-08 09:54:04 AM

litespeed74: Headline win!
Maybe Vick should do the delivery?


We don't want the baby falling to the floor.
 
2012-11-08 10:01:28 AM

IAmRight: BTW, I support giving him time off if that's the day the baby comes, and I wouldn't have a problem with him not being at the game...but yeah, you can schedule the birth with no real danger to the baby or mom.


Not to mention this happens just about every year, "Important Player might miss a game for the birth of his child!", and very rarely does it become an issue because the baby never comes when it is supposed to.

In fact I'm pretty sure Big Ben has a child due in December and there's talk he might miss a game too. I'm not that worried it will actually happen on a game day.
 
2012-11-08 10:05:49 AM

HaywoodJablonski: Good, we need all the help we can get


Yup. Let's hope Kubiak can remind the team that there are in fact 4 quarters in a game and the Bears defense isn't something you want to be sleepwalking 2 quarters for. Plus I would love for them to look dominent in a national game for once.
 
2012-11-08 10:08:15 AM

poughdrew: Who cares? Out of conference games are pretty much a dont-care for the playoff tiebreaker scenarios.. unless the Bears finish the with same record in every way with the Packers (split head-to-head, same division record, same conference record,) and it comes down to common opponents. Even then the Colts game is already in the Bears favor there.

He's had a good year, let him take the day off. Family first.


Pretty much my thoughts too. This is one of the more difficult games on the Bears schedule this year, but it's also one of the least important. If the Bears lose a squeaker without Tillman because his wife is popping out a baby, it would hardly doom their season. Better to miss this game than the 9ers game, or a division game.

Still, it would be cool to see Watt and Tillman playing in the same game.
 
2012-11-08 10:09:55 AM

js34603: In fact I'm pretty sure Big Ben has a child due in December and there's talk he might miss a game too.


He should really consider moving rape season into the summer so this won't be an issue again.
 
2012-11-08 10:19:03 AM

js34603: Good for him. He'll barely remember what happens in this game in two weeks, and definitely not in a year. He'll remember the birth of his child forever.


He's a football player; he may not remember much of anything.

js34603:
In fact I'm pretty sure Big Ben has a child due in December and there's talk he might miss a game too. I'm not that worried it will actually happen on a game day.


I thought the female body shut down to prevent that sort of thing...
 
2012-11-08 10:19:19 AM
If Charles Tillman is a potential DPOY, then what is Tim Jennings?

Tim Jennings has 6 INTs versus 2 for Charles Tillman.
Tim Jennings has 15 passes defended versus 6 for Charles Tillman.
Tim Jennings has 42 tackles versus 43 for Tillman.
 
2012-11-08 10:21:59 AM

SlothB77: If Charles Tillman is a potential DPOY, then what is Tim Jennings?

Tim Jennings has 6 INTs versus 2 for Charles Tillman.
Tim Jennings has 15 passes defended versus 6 for Charles Tillman.
Tim Jennings has 42 tackles versus 43 for Tillman.


Charles Tillman Forced Fumbles 7 vs Tim Jennings 0

Also defended vs chances factors in.
 
2012-11-08 10:23:51 AM
Holy hell why didn't Tim Jennings do these things when he played for the Colts!!!!
 
2012-11-08 10:24:42 AM

SlothB77: If Charles Tillman is a potential DPOY, then what is Tim Jennings?

Tim Jennings has 6 INTs versus 2 for Charles Tillman.
Tim Jennings has 15 passes defended versus 6 for Charles Tillman.
Tim Jennings has 42 tackles versus 43 for Tillman.


Tim Jennings has a lot more passes thrown his way because people don't want to throw toward Tillman. Also, Tillman has forced 7 fumbles and returned both of his INTs for TDs. Jennings has forced 0 fumbles and has only one return for a TD. Which isn't to say he's not performing well - just Tillman has been better.
 
2012-11-08 10:28:42 AM
I think the Bears are in the right to allow Tillman to miss the game if his wife naturally goes Sunday. Anything to keep one of your higher impact players happy. Granted I wouldnt mind Peanut to take one for the team and convince his wife a little petosin wouldn't kill her but then again that probably goes against my previous statement about being happy (my wife would kill me if I ever suggested inducement when it is not 100% necessary).
 
2012-11-08 10:29:20 AM
ahhhh, the website i looked up didn't list forced fumbles.
 
2012-11-08 10:30:37 AM

SlothB77: If Charles Tillman is a potential DPOY, then what is Tim Jennings?

Tim Jennings has 6 INTs versus 2 for Charles Tillman.
Tim Jennings has 15 passes defended versus 6 for Charles Tillman.
Tim Jennings has 42 tackles versus 43 for Tillman.


Tillman's ridiculous forced fumble stats (7), and the single game record at that stat (4), for someone who plays at the DB position is insane. Also, his 2 INTs were pick-6's.

Either way, Jennings/Tillman should be the #1/#2 corners in the NFC Pro Bowl, based on the stats, which I'm sure some Seattle fans would argue, but hey, stats are stats.
 
2012-11-08 10:33:35 AM

poughdrew: Either way, Jennings/Tillman should be the #1/#2 corners in the NFC Pro Bowl, based on the stats, which I'm sure some Seattle fans would argue, but hey, stats are stats.


Eh, we get to play Sanchez at home this week, our corners could certainly catch up. Not as easy to get picks off of Rodgers, Brady, Smith (in SF), etc.

/would have no problem with the Chicago corners getting both nods since our guys aren't forcing enough turnovers - if we forced turnovers like the Bears do, we'd be where they are record-wise.
 
2012-11-08 10:34:29 AM

Satanic panic in the attic: Holy hell why didn't Tim Jennings do these things when he played for the Colts!!!!


Lovie Smith is great at coaching up defense. Lovie Smith is probably the best coach in the NFL except from the time during the week between kickoff and final whistle. He is a dreadful in-game coach.

But Lovie is great at attracting talent to the Bears in the offseason, assessing personnel (the Bears recognized what they had in the virtual no-name Matt Forte very early on), preparing the team for the season and for each week's contest, devising game plans and scripting plays. But in-game he will make some really bone-headed decisions.
 
2012-11-08 10:40:31 AM

SlothB77: But in-game he Jay Cutler will make some really bone-headed decisions.


Fixed, but I fully agree with everything else. Maybe the new OC will pay off over time too.
 
2012-11-08 10:43:10 AM
He should be playing. This is the fourth kid, so he and his wife know the drill. Football players work all week, yes, but only 16 days count for the success of their season, and then the playoffs.

But, as a Packer fan, I say take six weeks off. I really think his wife a new child, along with the other three young'uns, need daddy at home. If fact, he should stay home until February. Only a monster would ditch his family in their time of need.
 
2012-11-08 11:01:26 AM

SlothB77: But Lovie is great at attracting talent to the Bears in the offseason,


Since there was talk in the other thread about the Eagles' Dream Team corners, I thought it would be fun to compare them to Chicago's and Seattle's, who are among the best in the league.

Chicago:
Tim Jennings - 2nd rounder, picked up 2010, base salary this year $900K
Charles Tillman - 2nd rounder, 2003, base salary $3.5M

Seattle:
Richard Sherman - 5th rounder, 2011, base salary $465K
Brandon Browner - Undrafted, from CFL in 2011, base salary $415K

Philly (Dream Team CBs):
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - 1st rounder, acquired via trade, base salary $1.13M
Nnamdi Asomugha - 1st rounder, acquired via FA in 2011, base salary $11M
(Asante Samuel, who is now gone - 4th rounder, acquired via FA in 2008, base salary $9.9M)

/not looking forward to Sherman and Browner's payday in the future, though
 
2012-11-08 11:07:35 AM

MugzyBrown:

1) Maybe you're not aware, but having sex isn't very complicated and doesn't take a whole lot of planning or logistics. If you're trying to have a baby, putting an hour (ha) aside a couple of times per week during the season is pretty damn easy.


You're not MwC, are you?
 
2012-11-08 11:12:34 AM

SlothB77: Satanic panic in the attic: Holy hell why didn't Tim Jennings do these things when he played for the Colts!!!!

Lovie Smith is great at coaching up defense. Lovie Smith is probably the best coach in the NFL except from the time during the week between kickoff and final whistle. He is a dreadful in-game coach.

But Lovie is great at attracting talent to the Bears in the offseason, assessing personnel (the Bears recognized what they had in the virtual no-name Matt Forte very early on), preparing the team for the season and for each week's contest, devising game plans and scripting plays. But in-game he will make some really bone-headed decisions.


that's pretty spot-on. I have always had trouble wrapping my head around Lovie, but I think you spelled it out pretty good.
 
2012-11-08 11:36:54 AM

SlothB77: Satanic panic in the attic: Holy hell why didn't Tim Jennings do these things when he played for the Colts!!!!

Lovie Smith is great at coaching up defense. Lovie Smith is probably the best coach in the NFL except from the time during the week between kickoff and final whistle. He is a dreadful in-game coach.

But Lovie is great at attracting talent to the Bears in the offseason, assessing personnel (the Bears recognized what they had in the virtual no-name Matt Forte very early on), preparing the team for the season and for each week's contest, devising game plans and scripting plays. But in-game he will make some really bone-headed decisions.


I've come to appreciate Lovie for a lot of reasons. Players love his "keep it in the clubhouse" style. They know that even if he's SERIOUSLY pissed and is going to read them the riot act, it won't be public. Lovie doesn't care about attention whoring, and his players respect the hell out of that and play hard for him.

As a fan, I love that I'm never embarrassed by Lovie Smith antics the way that Cowboy fans or Jets fans have to be embarrassed by their coach/ownership. There is real dignity in the way Lovie goes about his business.

In the end, all that will matter is if he can win the big one, and that's ultimately how he'll be judged.
 
2012-11-08 11:38:10 AM

IAmRight: poughdrew: Either way, Jennings/Tillman should be the #1/#2 corners in the NFC Pro Bowl, based on the stats, which I'm sure some Seattle fans would argue, but hey, stats are stats.

Eh, we get to play Sanchez at home this week, our corners could certainly catch up. Not as easy to get picks off of Rodgers, Brady, Smith (in SF), etc.

/would have no problem with the Chicago corners getting both nods since our guys aren't forcing enough turnovers - if we forced turnovers like the Bears do, we'd be where they are record-wise.


Chicago's secondary is one of the happier surprises of the season for me. Tillman has been steady for years, but Jennings was benched last year, Wright has been hurt every single year except this one, and last year Conte played so deep he spent time talking with the hot dog vender during running plays.

This year, they're all playing at a really high level, despite having very little pedigree. Everyone expected the D-line to play well, but now the secondary is really making teams pay when the front 4 get pressure.

The SEA/CHI game later this year will probably feature +/- 6 interceptions. Ball hawks everywhere.
 
2012-11-08 11:41:56 AM

Jubeebee: The SEA/CHI game later this year will probably feature +/- 6 interceptions. Ball hawks everywhere.


Or both teams will say "f*ck it, I'm not taking any chances."

/the last few weeks seem to have shown that it's pretty easy to run up the gut on the Seahawks
//then again, two of those games were against Frank Gore and Adrian Peterson, which has a way of making people look bad
 
2012-11-08 11:43:06 AM
Just saw this. A little off-topic but hilarious.
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2012-11-08 11:47:51 AM

Treygreen13: Just saw this. A little off-topic but hilarious.
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Okay, thats farking epic.
 
2012-11-08 11:49:32 AM
Haha that e mail is farking epic!
 
2012-11-08 11:50:13 AM

thecpt: Treygreen13: Just saw this. A little off-topic but hilarious.
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Okay, thats farking epic.


The email from Aaron Rodgers cracks me up.
 
2012-11-08 11:51:02 AM

SlothB77: Satanic panic in the attic: Holy hell why didn't Tim Jennings do these things when he played for the Colts!!!!

Lovie Smith is great at coaching up defense. Lovie Smith is probably the best coach in the NFL except from the time during the week between kickoff and final whistle. He is a dreadful in-game coach.

But Lovie is great at attracting talent to the Bears in the offseason, assessing personnel (the Bears recognized what they had in the virtual no-name Matt Forte very early on), preparing the team for the season and for each week's contest, devising game plans and scripting plays. But in-game he will make some really bone-headed decisions.


You did it. You finally explained what has been bugging me for years about Lovie. The Bears have been competitive (and winning a lot) for years now but I would always see an in-game shot of Lovie after he threw a challenge flag on a play that my blind grandmother knew didn't go in the Bears favor... He can be so damn infuriating...
 
2012-11-08 11:53:00 AM

Treygreen13: thecpt: Treygreen13: Just saw this. A little off-topic but hilarious.
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Okay, thats farking epic.

The email from Aaron Rodgers cracks me up.


Personally I laughed at every single email. Particularly the Cromartie one.
 
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