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(The New York Times)   Coolest infographic on how the nation shifted politically in 2008 and 2012 you'll see all day   (nytimes.com) divider line 139
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2012-11-07 09:27:50 PM  
While that looks cool, its not really very informative.
 
2012-11-07 09:34:24 PM  
Damn thing looks like crawling red ants.
 
2012-11-07 09:45:25 PM  
graphics8.nytimes.com

Republican herpes.
 
2012-11-07 10:07:35 PM  
As a least coaster, I am now crawling with red sperm.
 
2012-11-07 10:26:42 PM  
I'm a little confused by that shift map, so that indicates the shift in voting as compared to the previous election?
 
2012-11-07 10:33:56 PM  

make me some tea: I'm a little confused by that shift map, so that indicates the shift in voting as compared to the previous election?


Yeah. Looks like they took the code from the Wind Map site.
 
2012-11-07 11:04:19 PM  
Looks fancy. Doesn't convey information well.

Look at the places that shifted hard right in both 2008 and 2012 though. Kentucky, Tennessee and West Virginia, the derp belt.
 
2012-11-07 11:22:14 PM  

impaler: Looks fancy. Doesn't convey information well.

Look at the places that shifted hard right in both 2008 and 2012 though. Kentucky, Tennessee and West Virginia, the derp belt.


There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to reasonable man. It is a dimension as vast as the Appalachians and as timeless as blind patriotism. It is the middle ground between religious zealots and wannabe freedom fighters, between incest and racism, and it lies between the pit of white trash fearing for their guns and the summit of their cultural ignorance. This is the dimension of paranoia. It is an area which we call...the derp belt.
 
2012-11-07 11:53:37 PM  
The take away: if you piss off and look to demonize a demographic, they don't vote for your party.

Seriously. The last year has been a move to identify the leeches, the parasites, the folks bringing this country down. Women. Minorities. Lazy young folks. Greedy poor folks with no jobs BUT WHO STILL HAVE REFRIGERATORS! Veterans who have served, but find their training isn't compatible with standards for employers. Oddly enough, these people listened.

And now folks are amazed that their rhetoric had consequences.
 
2012-11-08 02:11:56 AM  
i could have sworn i haven't done acid in 10 years
 
2012-11-08 02:13:26 AM  
The other take away: it ain't easy bein' a racist, homophobic white man.
 
2012-11-08 02:14:33 AM  
2008 is hilarious. It shows EXACTLY where the bible belt is.
 
2012-11-08 02:15:53 AM  
I'm not sure what all that was supposed to convey except that if you're an old, white, conservative male, the writing is on the wall.
 
2012-11-08 02:18:30 AM  
...and on that day America's Second Age, the rule of Whitey, came to its' end. The Third Age, the rule of the Darkskins, began when Karl Rove, insanely disturbed by the gross expenditure of his power having no effect, lurched over the edge of reason and plummeted into the fiery depths of Mordor. He proclaimed on the way down towards the molten end, "I still think it is too early to callllllll....."
 
2012-11-08 02:22:33 AM  

Owangotang: ...and on that day America's Second Age, the rule of Whitey, came to its' end. The Third Age, the rule of the Darkskins, began when Karl Rove, insanely disturbed by the gross expenditure of his power having no effect, lurched over the edge of reason and plummeted into the fiery depths of Mordor. He proclaimed on the way down towards the molten end, "I still think it is too early to callllllll....."


A good victory, but not without cost.

All the Pacific Islanders will board their boats and return to Valinoth.
 
2012-11-08 02:28:56 AM  

DamnYankees: While that looks cool, its not really very informative.


If you flip between the two years, you pretty much just notice a normalization effect. Which is fairly correct, Obama is a center-right president. 2008 wasn't really a shift to the 'left', it was a hold against an otherwise rightward shift.
 
2012-11-08 02:36:38 AM  
Part of me wants me to be amused that I was part of that tremendous youth vote shift in the Arizona election... and yet, it didn't matter for shiat.
 
2012-11-08 02:38:02 AM  
Very interesting how in 2012 much of the south became more liberal
 
2012-11-08 02:39:13 AM  

hubiestubert: The take away: if you piss off and look to demonize a demographic, they don't vote for your party.

Seriously. The last year has been a move to identify the leeches, the parasites, the folks bringing this country down. Women. Minorities. Lazy young folks. Greedy poor folks with no jobs BUT WHO STILL HAVE REFRIGERATORS! Veterans who have served, but find their training isn't compatible with standards for employers. Oddly enough, these people listened.

And now folks are amazed that their rhetoric had consequences.


Limbaugh spent today calling Obama voters spoiled children, as if insulting the electorate was going to somehow magically make them vote Republican next election cycle. Maybe the right wing in this country should stop being rude insulting control freak douchebags and come up with some sort of ideology that people want to support and they'll start winning elections instead of losing them.

or, you know - santa klaus.
 
2012-11-08 02:41:24 AM  

Weaver95: hubiestubert: The take away: if you piss off and look to demonize a demographic, they don't vote for your party.

Seriously. The last year has been a move to identify the leeches, the parasites, the folks bringing this country down. Women. Minorities. Lazy young folks. Greedy poor folks with no jobs BUT WHO STILL HAVE REFRIGERATORS! Veterans who have served, but find their training isn't compatible with standards for employers. Oddly enough, these people listened.

And now folks are amazed that their rhetoric had consequences.

Limbaugh spent today calling Obama voters spoiled children, as if insulting the electorate was going to somehow magically make them vote Republican next election cycle. Maybe the right wing in this country should stop being rude insulting control freak douchebags and come up with some sort of ideology that people want to support and they'll start winning elections instead of losing them.

or, you know - santa klaus.


It's alright. Either the Republicans will expand their demographic base by pivoting on immigration and the nomination of candidates such as Marco Rubio or they won't... and they'll simply die.
 
2012-11-08 02:42:14 AM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Very interesting how in 2012 much of the south became more liberal


My state (SC) shows a pronounced leftward trend in both 2008 and 2012. Gives me hope that mayhaps in my lifetime, some parts of Dixie will be in play.

/Charleston County voted for O in both elections
//amazingly, Dorchester (Summerville) and Berkeley (Mt. Pleasant) did not. Funny, that.
 
2012-11-08 02:50:23 AM  

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor:

It's alright. Either the Republicans will expand their demographic base by pivoting on immigration and the nomination of candidates such as Marco Rubio or they won't... and they'll simply die.


all of my more conservative friends have been extremely quiet today. very subdued facebook posts, nothing to me via twitter. I haven't pushed it with 'em either, I figure they need time to process what happened and just how badly the GOP got trounced by the country at large.

But I gotta be honest...part of me wonders if they'd be as respectful towards me had Obama lost the race.
 
2012-11-08 02:51:15 AM  

Triumph: [graphics8.nytimes.com image 366x250]

Republican herpes.


Cubans are giving Mexicans reproductive competition it seems.
Perhaps China isn't the only country that can employ human wave tactics.
 
2012-11-08 02:53:36 AM  

Weaver95: Limbaugh spent today calling Obama voters spoiled children,


That's rich, coming from the guy trying to bring about an America ruled by trust fund children, who will never have to work a day in their lives.
 
2012-11-08 02:54:24 AM  
As a lifelong resident of a state neither national party would so much as mail a postcard to, I'd like to say I'm fascinated by cutting-edge election strategy, as manifested in the Obama team and its victory.

It almost came down to a person-by-person choosing of sides, like for a sandlot sports game.

If I were Republican, I'd be furious ... then scared. Scared that I might have to start being genuinely nice to, respectful to and concerned for a lot more people than I'm accustomed to.
 
2012-11-08 02:54:34 AM  

Weaver95: Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor:

It's alright. Either the Republicans will expand their demographic base by pivoting on immigration and the nomination of candidates such as Marco Rubio or they won't... and they'll simply die.

all of my more conservative friends have been extremely quiet today. very subdued facebook posts, nothing to me via twitter. I haven't pushed it with 'em either, I figure they need time to process what happened and just how badly the GOP got trounced by the country at large.

But I gotta be honest...part of me wonders if they'd be as respectful towards me had Obama lost the race.


I'm betting no.

/some of mine have been downright Trumpian with the derp
//I just ignore too
 
2012-11-08 02:58:08 AM  

Alphax: Weaver95: Limbaugh spent today calling Obama voters spoiled children,

That's rich, coming from the guy trying to bring about an America ruled by trust fund children, who will never have to work a day in their lives.


Limbaugh also said that the Romney was a kind, gentle and decent man while implying that Obama was a big old meaniehead for not giving the GOP their turn as President. In a more general sense, the GOP has been less specific but still just as insulting. I think the mantra is going to be that the 47% were just being greedy sons of biatches and that the Republicans will have to dig in and fight their way out of the trap they're in.
 
2012-11-08 03:02:06 AM  
Great to see Dallas County becoming more liberal and being just as Democratic as the other big cities in the US. Houston (Harris County), OTOH, disappointed me.
 
2012-11-08 03:07:25 AM  
Per Weaver95 (I remember your pro-Bush days) and The Dreaded Rear Admiral,

No, of course they wouldn't, because Republicans engaged in the classic 2004 blunder: they nominated against candidate not to be President but to oppose Obama. They'd have gloated until their sad, pathetic attempts at politicking went dry. They'd have deried you as a heretic and apostate (you, Weaver) or simply an infidel.
 
2012-11-08 03:11:53 AM  

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: Per Weaver95 (I remember your pro-Bush days) and The Dreaded Rear Admiral,

No, of course they wouldn't, because Republicans engaged in the classic 2004 blunder: they nominated against candidate not to be President but to oppose Obama. They'd have gloated until their sad, pathetic attempts at politicking went dry. They'd have deried you as a heretic and apostate (you, Weaver) or simply an infidel.


Of course, I'm drunk again: they nominated Romney to be the candidate against Obama.
 
2012-11-08 03:19:29 AM  
Make no mistake about it: If the GOP doesn't immediately begin a 180 on Immigration and the Hispanic population(purge their platform of anything even remotely resembling xenophobic terminology and/or phrasing), their days as a national party are numbered.

This was their LAST shot at maintaining the status quo in terms of their voterbase. They 'have' to reach out to the Hispanics before 2016 or they'll be a regional party by 2020.
 
2012-11-08 03:20:06 AM  
overwhelming impression that one side was using 21st century science, to measure trends and demographics to figure out what people were looking for, while the other side was relying on 19th century prejudices to assume what people should want
 
2012-11-08 03:28:21 AM  
I'm still trying to figure out where the Republicans go from here. Seems that every decade they double-down on stupid and then shift right, but i don't see where they can really shift any more right. As a (very) bad analogy:

1980's = Republicans are stupid
1990's = Republicans are pants-on-head stupid
2000's = Republicans are pants-on-head on fire stupid
2010's = Republicans do self immolation???

The more sensible ones have already mostly bailed out and a few remaining ones are starting to ask why they smell burning hair. There's no place they can really go short of renaming themselves as "God's Rich White Angry Asshole Party" (which is what the Tea Party will probably turn into once the cocoon hatches). Is there anyone else left for them to alienate?

/and just because the [R] takes two giant steps to the right doesn't mean the [D] needs to take one baby step rightward
 
2012-11-08 03:28:41 AM  
I think this is important news. It means that the shift towards a republican majority can happen at any time and that demographics DO NOT automatically mean a democratic win. This is important information and flies in the face of the interpretation that no woman or youth would ever vote for a Republican candidate.
I'm more comfortable with having real competition in the elections rather then "I belong to this demographic so my guy is going to win."
 
2012-11-08 03:29:17 AM  
Whoa, trippy.

Have you ever really looked at a NYT infographic, man? I mean *really* looked at it?

/Damnit and I was oh so careful about avoiding the brown acid back in the day too.
 
2012-11-08 03:31:04 AM  

hinten: I think this is important news. It means that the shift towards a republican majority can happen at any time and that demographics DO NOT automatically mean a democratic win. This is important information and flies in the face of the interpretation that no woman or youth would ever vote for a Republican candidate.
I'm more comfortable with having real competition in the elections rather then "I belong to this demographic so my guy is going to win."


Uh, what? I voted against Romney for this very reason: it's clear the Republican Party has no future outside of expanding its' demographic base. I cannot for a moment contemplate how you're taking a repeat of the minority and women voter beat down suffered as a positive.
 
2012-11-08 03:33:34 AM  

hinten: This is important information and flies in the face of the interpretation that no woman or youth would ever vote for a Republican candidate.


Then hope to God the GOP stops being ignorant and just goes back to small government but rational conservatives. It's really up to them and I think it would be very good for our country if they become moderate enough to attract young and female voters. Talking about rape, gay marriage, and limiting freedom gets them no where with young and female voters as well as moderates.
 
2012-11-08 03:36:05 AM  

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: Uh, what?


I base my comment on this statement:
Most of the nation shifted to the right in Tuesday's vote, but not far enough to secure a win for Mitt Romney.

Yes, currently demographics work slightly in Democrats favor, but it is not an automatic gimmie.
 
2012-11-08 03:38:31 AM  

Infernalist: Make no mistake about it: If the GOP doesn't immediately begin a 180 on Immigration and the Hispanic population(purge their platform of anything even remotely resembling xenophobic terminology and/or phrasing), their days as a national party are numbered.

This was their LAST shot at maintaining the status quo in terms of their voterbase. They 'have' to reach out to the Hispanics before 2016 or they'll be a regional party by 2020.


And that's the problem. It will take a generation or more for minorities to forget, or get over, what the GOP is right now. If they purge the racists from the party there won't be enough voters left to get them elected since that's most of their base. It's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation they're in. They were warned years ago and they ignored those warning. Now it seems that they will pay the price for their ignorance. I'll also add, as hubiestubert/Weaver95 goes so goes the Republican Party. They are the moderates in that party and if they can't win those people back they may never win again.
 
2012-11-08 03:44:18 AM  

hinten: Yes, currently demographics work slightly in Democrats favor, but it is not an automatic gimmie.


Come'on. Romney managed a whole 21% of the Hispanic electorate. 21%. That's down from McCain by nearly 10%. Republicans clearly have a demographics issue, Mormon-turned-sleazebag-politician candidate aside.
 
2012-11-08 04:03:50 AM  

TheJoe03: Great to see Dallas County becoming more liberal and being just as Democratic as the other big cities in the US. Houston (Harris County), OTOH, disappointed me.


That's especially interesting since Houston is one of those multicultural/"hey where'd all the white people go?" cities.
I guess illegal immigrants aren't big on voting.
 
2012-11-08 04:16:30 AM  

Weaver95: But I gotta be honest...part of me wonders if they'd be as respectful towards me had Obama lost the race.


Short answer: no.
Long answer: f*ck no, don't you believe that sh*t for a millisecond. They'd be all over you, like piss on a bum's shoes. They'd never let up, and you'd never hear the end of it.
 
2012-11-08 04:25:12 AM  

The Dreaded Rear Admiral: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Very interesting how in 2012 much of the south became more liberal

My state (SC) shows a pronounced leftward trend in both 2008 and 2012. Gives me hope that mayhaps in my lifetime, some parts of Dixie will be in play.

/Charleston County voted for O in both elections
//amazingly, Dorchester (Summerville) and Berkeley (Mt. Pleasant) did not. Funny, that.


I figger that is mostly black folks turning out for Obama. My county (Richland) also went and usually goes blue. Dorchester and Summerville is rich, old, and white. Berkeley is dominated by poor, stupid, and white.

The areas currently keeping the state red are the deeply fundiie upstate, and Lexington county. Both those areas are hell bent at trying to outbreed non-whites.

Add in the gerrymandering for the House too. It's going to take another Republican to oust that ass Joe (you lie!) Wilson. He ran unopposed this time, but in the midterms I watched him be losing for most of the night until Lexington county reported. Lexington, plus the other rural areas in his district are used to cancel out Richland.
 
2012-11-08 04:29:23 AM  

Weaver95: Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor:

It's alright. Either the Republicans will expand their demographic base by pivoting on immigration and the nomination of candidates such as Marco Rubio or they won't... and they'll simply die.

all of my more conservative friends have been extremely quiet today. very subdued facebook posts, nothing to me via twitter. I haven't pushed it with 'em either, I figure they need time to process what happened and just how badly the GOP got trounced by the country at large.

But I gotta be honest...part of me wonders if they'd be as respectful towards me had Obama lost the race.


Are these friends of more just acquaintances? If they're actually friends, then I'd hope you could trust them to respect you as you do them (and if you can't, you might want to reevaluate those friendships, just sayin'). If they're just acquaintances then there's no telling. I guess it depends on whether their outrage overcomes their coping mechanisms.
 
2012-11-08 04:30:29 AM  
So when do we see the lawsuit for stealing the Wind Map "intellectual property"?

Where is Apple? Can't they loan out one lawyer?
 
2012-11-08 06:20:02 AM  

DigitalCoffee: I'm still trying to figure out where the Republicans go from here. Seems that every decade they double-down on stupid and then shift right, but i don't see where they can really shift any more right. As a (very) bad analogy:

1980's = Republicans are stupid
1990's = Republicans are pants-on-head stupid
2000's = Republicans are pants-on-head on fire stupid
2010's = Republicans do self immolation???


So, why was it a semi-close race? I mean, EV aside, 48 fracking percent of the population voted for this guy, despite all of the gaffs, flip-flopping, etc. The reason why nothing has changed is because of this fact. At this point, I don't think the GOP needs to change, but the people voting for them. We need better education, more encouragement of social intermingling (ie: these rural folk need to stop thinking about themselves because they are so isolated), and we need to train these people on critical thinking.

I mean, I know we've been trying to do that for centuries, but nothing is going to change unless we change our population to actually practice their Christian values and "care for their fellow man". And I don't want to turn this into a religious rant, but nevermind the Creationism or old Testament arguments. What about this single quote?

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." -- Matthew 19:24

IE: If you're rich, you CANNOT go into Heaven. And this is NT stuff. Practice what you preach, for God's sake!
 
2012-11-08 06:31:42 AM  
"Most of the nation shifted to the right in Tuesday's vote"

Which was still to the left of the GOP.
 
2012-11-08 06:33:25 AM  

hinten: Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: Uh, what?

I base my comment on this statement:
Most of the nation shifted to the right in Tuesday's vote, but not far enough to secure a win for Mitt Romney.

Yes, currently demographics work slightly in Democrats favor, but it is not an automatic gimmie.


You realize that everything in that article is averaged, right? So when they they say "Mr. Obama won despite losing the support of white voters by wide margins" those numbers are almost entirely due to regional voting trends, aka the Confederacy? Obama did well among whites in the rest of the country.

So when they say the country "moved" to the right they mean most of the country moved to the left but the South got even derpier.

That is not a formula for national success. The ONLY path for the republican towards national success in the future is to take a hard left turn back towards the center, soften their positions on social issues in particular and start trying to represent Americans outside of angry white guys that drive pickups.

Demographics are killing the GOP and rightfully so.
 
2012-11-08 06:44:16 AM  
I'm tired of the univariate "Obama lost whites" statement. I'm a walking Aryan Nation poster child and I've voted Obama three times. There are other reasons involved with this group not voting Obama, some are racist, others are richer, religious conservatives, men/women differences, poor education, etc. WHITENESS as a solitary explanatory variable accounts for a small number.
 
2012-11-08 06:47:40 AM  

herrDrFarkenstein: I'm tired of the univariate "Obama lost whites" statement. I'm a walking Aryan Nation poster child and I've voted Obama three times. There are other reasons involved with this group not voting Obama, some are racist, others are richer, religious conservatives, men/women differences, poor education, etc. WHITENESS as a solitary explanatory variable accounts for a small number.


Yeah, okay, but if you voted four or more times in 2008, then you're part of the farking problem!
 
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