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(TMZ)   Ariel Winter, one of the Dunphy daughters from Modern Family removed from her home over allegations of emotional and physical abuse. Chris Hansen will monitor this thread closely   (tmz.com) divider line 36
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2012-11-08 12:30:27 AM
4 votes:

The One True TheDavid: You don't have to "chase kids" to look at what young women who are old and developed enough to carry a fetus to term insist on showing off.

For most of human existence a virgin of 14 was either in a guarded castle or damn ugly and a non-virgin of 14 was usually a wife (or concubine) and perhaps a mother.

But of course those who think somebody is a poor little baby until they magically change at age 18 (or whatever happens to be the Age of Consent where they happen to be) will now proceed to get all huffy and call me impolite things.


It's one thing to acknowledge that adolescence is when those physiological changes do occur and that, from an evolutionary standpoint, a person is "good to go" as it were. It's another entirely to be completely oblivious to the massive cognitive differences between an early adolescent and someone in their 20s, 30s, or older, on top of being so incredibly unaware of or unphased by societal expectations, mores, taboos and laws that dictate appropriate social-sexual behaviors and issues of consent.
2012-11-08 02:35:59 AM
3 votes:
Penis V. Brain.

Penis: Hey Brain, did you see that bikini picture? I wanna see what's underneath and then I want to penis it with all of my penis.
Brain:Yeah.. Says here she's 14.
Penis: Nothing looks 14 about her
Brain:Yeah... But she is a 14 year old girl. In every way other than those huge jugs, she is a child.
Penis: Oh yea I want to penis those too.
Brain: Well my dear Penis, it's a good thing you are not calling the shots.

That's my process. Just being honest.
2012-11-07 11:45:58 PM
3 votes:

natgab: We are here to post Ariel Winter pictures right?

[i49.tinypic.com image 850x1121]


That's creepy as fark.

See: not 4chan.

Or Redditt.
2012-11-07 11:40:28 PM
3 votes:

natgab: We are here to post Ariel Winter pictures right?

[i49.tinypic.com image 850x1121]


Dude... This isn't 4chan. I mean, the people here are pervy, but I'm pretty sure most of us are not chasing kids.
2012-11-08 01:57:34 PM
2 votes:
There is a HUGE difference between finding this sexually attractive (A):

i.imgur.com

And this (B):

www.givememyremote.com

To find a sexually mature (note I did not say MENTALLY or EMOTIONALLY mature) human being such as (A) attractive or sexually desirable is perfectly natural. This does not make you a "pedophile". It might make you a creep, or an exploiter, if you act on those feelings, but you'd only truly be guilty of bad judgement. It is ok to admire and compliment her body or imagine yourself motorboating there for a few minutes. But then you check yourself and move on to more socially acceptable objects of desire.

The sexual desire of a pre-pubescent CHILD, such as (B) makes you a pedophile and morally abhorrent. All societies deplore this behavior. But there is NO comparison between (A) and (B). Until recent times, subjects such as (A) were fair game once they were past puberty. Not passing judgement on wrong or right, just stating a fact.
2012-11-08 01:50:48 PM
2 votes:
The One True TheDavid: This. Pedophilia is properly defined as being into PRE-PUBESCENT kids. Humbert Humbert liked 'em around 11-12 with slightly swollen nipples & no pubic hair at all, and he was a borderline case.

I'm not calling you bad, pedo, pervy, wrong, or even inappropriate. But I am saying I got very very squicked from that sentence.
2012-11-08 07:33:06 AM
2 votes:

The One True TheDavid: Wayne 985: natgab:

We are here to post Ariel Winter pictures right?

[i49.tinypic.com image 850x1121]

Dude... This isn't 4chan. I mean, the people here are pervy, but I'm pretty sure most of us are not chasing kids.

You don't have to "chase kids" to look at what young women who are old and developed enough to carry a fetus to term insist on showing off.

For most of human existence a virgin of 14 was either in a guarded castle or damn ugly and a non-virgin of 14 was usually a wife (or concubine) and perhaps a mother.

But of course those who think somebody is a poor little baby until they magically change at age 18 (or whatever happens to be the Age of Consent where they happen to be) will now proceed to get all huffy and call me impolite things.


Apparently Piers Anthony has a Fark account.
2012-11-08 02:07:45 AM
2 votes:
I always like to imagine Jay Pritchett and Al Bundy as the same person. Like maybe Bud and Kelly moved out, Peggy divorced him, and without them all leeching his money he was able to save up and take a vacation to Columbia while Peg went out west and joined the sons of anarchy.

/she doesn't look like any of the 14 year olds I remember
2012-11-08 01:00:43 AM
2 votes:

The One True TheDavid: Pedosplaining


Go back to reddit perv.
2012-11-08 12:28:32 AM
2 votes:
What the hell, I'll post it...

i.imgur.com
2012-11-08 12:07:30 AM
2 votes:

What_Would_Jimi_Do: " There's a report Ariel is seeking legal emancipation from her mom so she can be with her boyfriend "

sounds like the kid needs a good ass whooping.

/don't know the show or the kid


Did you really just stop quoting that sentence halfway through? Just...wow. FTFA: There's a report Ariel is seeking legal emancipation from her mom so she can be with her boyfriend, but that report is false.
2012-11-08 11:14:18 PM
1 votes:
Christ, this thread is creepy. Seriously.
2012-11-08 07:05:07 PM
1 votes:
Jeez-o-f♥ck, am I glad that people weren't this repressed in the 70s, 80s and early 90s. It used to be entirely common for a 20-year-old to date someone 15 or older with nobody thinking anything of it.

When I was in high school, I was considered LATE to the game when I saved my virginity (intentionally. I took a vow) until I was 16 (and I lost it ON my 16th birthday, thank you very much). Most girls were deflowered before they were 15. Most guys who weren't total slugs or social outcasts lost their virginity by the time they were 16. When I was 15 years old I was dating a 19-year-old. These days, the poor girl would be in jail and on the sex offender's list. Back then, it was no big deal. Her parents didn't mind. My parents didn't mind. The cops who interrupted us in the middle of fooling around in her car didn't mind. She was never hauled off and treated like a predator.

We should protect CHILDREN; Not post-pubescent, sexually-active, non-impaired teenagers. I keep hearing that their emotional maturity and judgement aren't "fully developed", but these same people making this claim also expect these teenagers to take on the duties, chores, and responsibilities of a modern teenager without any remorse. If you let your kid drive, attend classes, take lessons, deal with social issues in school, act in a major television network prime time show, or have lunch with her agent to discuss residuals, then it's a pretty good bet your kid is mentally mature enough to decide whether or not she wants to have a penis inside her.

It's like parents think that the way to keep children youthful and innocent is to prevent them from having sex.. As if THAT thing, among all the other responsibilities you heap on teenagers, is the ONE thing that "ruins" them.

Jeez... You expect them to cope with so much, and yet you don't trust them to make judgments regarding their own sexuality. I just don't get it. As if you weren't ready when you were their age? As if you would have had a problem if your partner was four years older than you? Give me a break.

All I'm saying is that the holier-than-thou, protect-the-teenagers-from-sex, dude-she's-only-16 crowd needs to chill out. Nobody here is actually going to f♥ck this celebrity, and chances are--- in the business she's involved in-- she has consented to having sex with guys a LOT older than she is. She doesn't need you protecting her from FARK admirers.

For the record, I'm happily taken and don't trust anyone under 30, but I just get sick of seeing the two camps square off to shout "Pervert!" and "Prude!" at each other all day. Isn't there a sensible, logical, reasonable medium here?
2012-11-08 04:14:00 PM
1 votes:

steve_wmn: Debeo Summa Credo: The One True TheDavid: Debeo Summa Credo:

Amazing how many people don't know who she is. Well, I didn't know her real name but I would have recognized "the younger daughter from modern family".

I had no idea before this thread. I haven't owned a TV since 1994. TV totally distorts your view of reality, as we see from this thread.

Perhaps. Case in point, I thought of this girl as a typical somewhat pretty teenage actress playing a role in a particularly funny show.

I had no idea until this thread that she had such a smoking body.

Damn you TV for distorting my views on this chick whatever her name is!!!

I've always thought that the casting director was an idiot for casting such short teens to be the Dunphy daughters. By the time my daughter was 14 she was 4 inches taller than her mother. There is no reason at all for both parents to be six or more inches taller than two high school aged daughters. If you've ever been in a middle school you'd know that girls get a growth spurt that starts a year or so before puberty and they hit adult height be age 15. Boys start growing a year or so later and don't reach their full height until age 17.


Well, they don't want to risk real life intruding, and they can't have the kids be taller than the adults, 'cuz that would confuse the average teevee watcher. Which is why 30-year-old women who are 5'2'' or less can still play "teenaged" roles.
2012-11-08 02:08:25 PM
1 votes:

100 Watt Walrus: The One True TheDavid: Gramma: Jim from Saint Paul: Begun the Lohan 2.0 has.

Begun the Britney 3.0 has.

Begun the Barrymore 4.0 has.

Shirley Temple 7.2.


[i.imgur.com image 438x594]
Ohhh, yea she does.


Not sure if that's intentional, but Temple is 13 years-old in that picture.
2012-11-08 01:49:10 PM
1 votes:

Profedius: Well I will say it. The strongest argument against underage sex is that they do not have the intelligence (maturity) to handle a sexual relationship, but I have to ask what about all the adults who are equally if not more incapable?


There's a point at which your age stops being a valid excuse for the fact that you're dimmer than a dead lightning bug in a paper sack.
2012-11-08 12:19:05 PM
1 votes:
Look, she's 14. Obviously I wouldn't touch it. But based on that bikini picture, I'm going to build a time machine, go back 20 years and drag my 14 year old self into the future risking a complete unravelling of the space-time continuum, and tell him to go take one for the home team so that the memories of it will be implanted in my brain.

/ Hate time-travel sci-fi ... so I don't even know if that's possible.
// Screw it - I'm just going to go make a sandwich instead.
2012-11-08 11:38:45 AM
1 votes:

Mokmo: I have no idea who she is.
But i'm making a bit of math here, seems that Ariel's sister, who's seeking guardianship, was removed from that house "almost two decades ago" and kept in a foster home for two years, probably her 18th birthday. Ariel being 14, that means that even though she had lost her daughter to child services, the mother had another one a few years later without a follow-up by child services.

Some actors are just good because they were bred in crazy, i guess we have such a case here.


Amazing how many people don't know who she is. Well, I didn't know her real name but I would have recognized "the younger daughter from modern family".

In the sea of crap that is prime time network TV, that show is an island of brilliance.
2012-11-08 11:36:09 AM
1 votes:

Kome: The One True TheDavid:

You don't have to "chase kids" to look at what young women who are old and developed enough to carry a fetus to term insist on showing off.

For most of human existence a virgin of 14 was either in a guarded castle or damn ugly and a non-virgin of 14 was usually a wife (or concubine) and perhaps a mother.

But of course those who think somebody is a poor little baby until they magically change at age 18 (or whatever happens to be the Age of Consent where they happen to be) will now proceed to get all huffy and call me impolite things.


Kome: It's one thing to acknowledge that adolescence is when those physiological changes do occur and that, from an evolutionary standpoint, a person is "good to go" as it were.

Yes, but... I know there's a "but" coming...

It's another entirely to be completely oblivious to the massive cognitive differences between an early adolescent and someone in their 20s, 30s, or older,

True. I'm so much wiser than I was at 14. For that matter at 49 I'm wiser than at 39.

So? I wasn't suggesting tying her up in a basement or even talking to her, merely looking at what she insists on showing off to everyone in public. You know, for glossy magazines to show everybody in line at the supermarket.


on top of being so incredibly unaware of or unphased by societal expectations, mores, taboos and laws that dictate appropriate social-sexual behaviors and issues of consent.

Let me guess, you're proud of your liberal arts degree.

Tellya what: if you and several hundred thousand of your closest friends make it a felony for the parents of anybody under the age of consent, which will be set at 27 for every state, to let their kids wear anything skimpier than a full burka in public you'll no longer need to explain to people exactly why you should get to be the final authority on "societal expectations, mores, taboos and laws that dictate appropriate social-sexual behaviors and issues of consent."

Fair enough? I'm only trying to help you here.
2012-11-08 10:38:24 AM
1 votes:

This is Winter's real-life sister. There is a strong family resemblance.

i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com 
2012-11-08 10:26:05 AM
1 votes:
She bears an uncomfortable resemblance to Jordan Capri.
2012-11-08 10:24:17 AM
1 votes:
Okay... now this thread is beginning to disturb me...
2012-11-08 10:04:20 AM
1 votes:

kroonermanblack: dletter: kroonermanblack: styckx: /oblig

Those have to be heads shopped onto bodies. The heads just don't look right.

Good job Columbo.

They look like they could be real photos but I wasn't sure, because shopping heads on porn star bodies is NOT what pedos are out for at all so I don't get the point.


No, those to most anyone are clearly 7-9 yr old girls heads photoshopped on very developed women's bodies.

So, the campaign is trying to say that being attracted to fully developed 14 year olds is equivalent to being interested in 8 year olds, which is ludicrous. Yes, it is still statutory rape, and, you need to be not so dumb guys, and just lookie at the beach, but don't touchy (and, that is the point of the ad campaign I guess, to get that across to the dolts). But, that bikini pic of Ariel, or the photos that came out of Madonna's daughter who was 15 I believe... those are easily bodies that could be on a 19 or 20 year old.... they just got to a fully developed shape much earlier than other women. Again, yes, don't cross the line for many reasons (the law, not enough life experience to make those decisions, etc), but, there is no real visceral difference in the visuals between those 14-15 year olds and legally aged women.
2012-11-08 05:20:29 AM
1 votes:

farkingismybusiness: 100 Watt Walrus: Not giving TMZ a click, but I wish a good escape and healthy recovery for any kid in an abusive home
//Bikini pic: hubba!

TMZ=bad. Pedophilia=good.

Got it.


i.imgur.com

Get over yourself. I'm not luring her into a van, nor am I condoning sex with 14-year-olds. To imply otherwise is a serious indicator of farkwittery.

But since you seem to consider yourself an expert on the subject, please tell me when it will be OK for anyone not in her own age group to find her physically attractive. What's your criteria?

Note that I'm not asking when it will be OK to boink her. But apparently by your definition of "pedophilia," anyone who thinks she looks good in a bikini is some kind of monster. So apparently I need guidance as to where to draw the line.

This girl is apparently 14 or 15. Kate Upton is 19. Is it OK to think she's hot? How about two years ago when she modeling bikinis and underwear at 17? Would it have been it OK to have found Upton hot at that point? If so, does that make 16 the demarkation line? If so, is it the 16th birthday or the 17th birthday? Or is it somewhere in between?

PLEASE MAN, YOU GOTTA HELP ME! I DON'T WANT TO BE A "farkingismybusiness perv"™! PLEASE TELL ME WHEN IT'S OK TO THINK "NICE BOOBS." I'M LOST IN THE TALL GRASS WITHOUT YOU, MAN.
2012-11-08 03:47:14 AM
1 votes:

100 Watt Walrus: Not giving TMZ a click, but I wish a good escape and healthy recovery for any kid in an abusive home
//Bikini pic: hubba!


TMZ=bad. Pedophilia=good.

Got it.
2012-11-08 03:43:11 AM
1 votes:

Kome: It's one thing to acknowledge that adolescence is when those physiological changes do occur and that, from an evolutionary standpoint, a person is "good to go" as it were. It's another entirely to be completely oblivious to the massive cognitive differences between an early adolescent and someone in their 20s, 30s, or older, on top of being so incredibly unaware of or unphased by societal expectations, mores, taboos and laws that dictate appropriate social-sexual behaviors and issues of consent.



vwarb: I think one of the problems with the way we, as a society, think about "pedophilia" is that we don't make much distinction between thought and action. i.e. it would be despicable to have sex with a 15 year old for the exact reasons you've cited, but that 15 year old's mind is not present in abstracted representations of her body (which is often indistinguishable from that of a 20 something, aside from face)



DisregardTheFollowing: Penis V. Brain.

Penis: Hey Brain, did you see that bikini picture? I wanna see what's underneath and then I want to penis it with all of my penis.
Brain:Yeah.. Says here she's 14.
Penis: Nothing looks 14 about her
Brain:Yeah... But she is a 14 year old girl. In every way other than those huge jugs, she is a child.
Penis: Oh yea I want to penis those too.
Brain: Well my dear Penis, it's a good thing you are not calling the shots.

That's my process. Just being honest.


These.
/Not giving TMZ a click, but I wish a good escape and healthy recovery for any kid in an abusive home
//Bikini pic: hubba!
2012-11-08 02:59:48 AM
1 votes:
I have no idea who she is.
But i'm making a bit of math here, seems that Ariel's sister, who's seeking guardianship, was removed from that house "almost two decades ago" and kept in a foster home for two years, probably her 18th birthday. Ariel being 14, that means that even though she had lost her daughter to child services, the mother had another one a few years later without a follow-up by child services.

Some actors are just good because they were bred in crazy, i guess we have such a case here.
2012-11-08 02:40:44 AM
1 votes:

The Man Who Laughs: /she doesn't look like any of the 14 year olds I remember


I've been hearing that comment for over thirty years. I'm always amazed that so many people have such horrible memories.
2012-11-08 01:25:59 AM
1 votes:

What_Would_Jimi_Do: VTGremlin: What_Would_Jimi_Do: " There's a report Ariel is seeking legal emancipation from her mom so she can be with her boyfriend "

sounds like the kid needs a good ass whooping.

/don't know the show or the kid

Did you really just stop quoting that sentence halfway through? Just...wow. FTFA: There's a report Ariel is seeking legal emancipation from her mom so she can be with her boyfriend, but that report is false.

yes, and since when is leaving 5 words out of a 23 word quote half?



When said five words encompass the the main point of the sentence in question.
2012-11-08 12:38:23 AM
1 votes:
She'll turn out OK. Let's try and keep Wilmer Valderrama and meth away from her, please. If possible assign a dire wolf to follow her around and prevent the thing that always happens.
2012-11-08 12:27:29 AM
1 votes:
Her mom abused her and her older sister. Thus has nothing to do with a boyfriend. Her sister is seeking legal guardianship.
2012-11-08 12:13:17 AM
1 votes:
Thank god TMZ is watching over this little angel and definitely not making her life any worse
2012-11-08 12:04:01 AM
1 votes:

wholedamnshow: When I did a GIS for her, one of the suggestions was "ariel winter bikini."


I hope most of those searches are from teenage boys, but I'm skeptical.

Evil Mackerel: Not a kid chaser but I did step on a dwarf today at a fast food joint. I felt a little bad, she was the size of a 7 year old and I'm 6'2.She was pissed.


She should've worn a bell, like my cat.
2012-11-07 11:50:44 PM
1 votes:
2012-11-07 11:30:01 PM
1 votes:
I really don't want to be "that guy" but who ever the primates that spew out these poorly written TMZ articles are in serious need of a dictionary or maybe even a semester or two of journalism classes at a local community college.

"Ironically, we've learned Shanelle suffered the same alleged abuse as Ariel. Nearly two decades ago, the Department of Children and Family Services removed her from Crystal's home based on similar abuse allegations.

That is the exact opposite of ironic. It indicates a pattern and is not at all surprising
2012-11-07 11:27:43 PM
1 votes:
There is such a thing as non-sexual physical abuse.
 
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