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2012-11-07 09:55:59 PM
By perfectly preserved, you just meant a skeleton. I was assuming, you know, like that kid found with hair, flesh stomach contents etc.
 
2012-11-07 10:02:44 PM
Don't say that you love me........
 
2012-11-07 10:09:10 PM
...France surrenders...

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2012-11-07 10:25:48 PM
Perfectly preserved?

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2012-11-07 10:36:08 PM
From TFA - Its tusks and bones were found next to two flint blades - suggesting it was hunted by Neanderthals and cut up.

Whenever I read something like this I always wonder how they would feel if you could've told them that in 200,000 years a futuristic society they'd never be able to imagine would find the evidence of this kill and dig it up because it's interesting.

If someone told me that, I'd be a little creeped out. Not only because they're probably crazy as hell, but also because that means a futuristic society I can't possibly imagine is digging through my trash and probably putting the results in some wikipedia thing. We're calling him "Gork", and Gork appeared to enjoy harvest cheddar Sun Chips, which coincides with what we found when we dug up his corpse in the cemetery across town.

Speaking of, at what point does it go from grave-robbing to archaeology?
 
2012-11-07 10:42:20 PM

Old Man Winter: By perfectly preserved, you just meant a skeleton. I was assuming, you know, like that kid found with hair, flesh stomach contents etc.


Yeah, I was a little puzzled by that photo after reading that headline. It is a big deal to find the full skeleton, but that was the left-overs from a butchering session. Hardly perfect.
 
2012-11-07 11:08:07 PM
It was perfect with red wine and a brown chive sauce.
 
2012-11-07 11:11:15 PM
Well it does show that humans in the area were hunting mammoths as far back as 200,000 years ago. Like 189,000 years before the advent of agriculture. Pretty interesting to contemplate.

There are probably better mammoth remains found bi-weekly in Russia though. With hair and flesh and stomach contents and everything.
 
2012-11-07 11:21:57 PM

Eddie Ate Dynamite: Whenever I read something like this I always wonder how they would feel if you could've told them that in 200,000 years a futuristic society they'd never be able to imagine would find the evidence of this kill and dig it up because it's interesting.

If someone told me that, I'd be a little creeped out. Not only because they're probably crazy as hell, but also because that means a futuristic society I can't possibly imagine is digging through my trash and probably putting the results in some wikipedia thing. We're calling him "Gork", and Gork appeared to enjoy harvest cheddar Sun Chips, which coincides with what we found when we dug up his corpse in the cemetery across town.


I wrote a short story once about an anthropologist time traveler searching for the origin of the human condition. As an experimental study of man's barbarous nature, he goes back to the Neolithic Age and gives a caveman a 10mm pistol and observes what happens. The caveman fails to figure out how to use it and eventually just discards it in the bush somewhere. So he tries again with another caveman, this time demonstrating how the pistol works. The loud noise of the firing mechanism scares the caveman and he runs off. So he tries again with another caveman, this time earning the trust of an tire tribe before showing them the gun. After the demonstration, the town elder promptly shoots himself accidentally in the neck. One more attempt: The anthropologist gives the pistol to a different tribe and after demonstrating how it works, the town elder shoots all the males in the tribe and keeps the females for himself.

The anthropologist concludes that no matter how much modern civilization softens or safeguards us against our innate instincts, we will always be forever stupid, frightened, clumsy and greedy.

/has nothing to do with TFA
 
2012-11-07 11:39:08 PM

Old Man Winter: By perfectly preserved, you just meant a skeleton. I was assuming, you know, like that kid found with hair, flesh stomach contents etc.


I went even further, thinking, "Wow...they found a perfectly preserved mammoth up in the French Alps ice and snow...like Otzi Man. How cool is that!?"

But noooooooo...
 
2012-11-08 12:57:26 AM
We know Gaul surrendered to Ceasar.
 
2012-11-08 04:03:07 AM
She had hairy armpits?
 
2012-11-08 05:50:34 AM

Eddie Ate Dynamite: Speaking of, at what point does it go from grave-robbing to archaeology?


Yeah. And why is it OK to put Ramses the Great's body on display, but not Abraham Lincoln's?

/Too soon?
//Or Wogs don't have feelings like we do...
 
2012-11-08 06:26:06 AM

Eddie Ate Dynamite: From TFA - Its tusks and bones were found next to two flint blades - suggesting it was hunted by Neanderthals and cut up.

Whenever I read something like this I always wonder how they would feel if you could've told them that in 200,000 years a futuristic society they'd never be able to imagine would find the evidence of this kill and dig it up because it's interesting.

If someone told me that, I'd be a little creeped out. Not only because they're probably crazy as hell, but also because that means a futuristic society I can't possibly imagine is digging through my trash and probably putting the results in some wikipedia thing. We're calling him "Gork", and Gork appeared to enjoy harvest cheddar Sun Chips, which coincides with what we found when we dug up his corpse in the cemetery across town.

Speaking of, at what point does it go from grave-robbing to archaeology?


I find it fascinating, I'd love to think that in 200,000 years time I could help historians learn about people in our time. I wonder if people back then even had any notion of studying the past, and thus the idea that people in the future would study them.

Grave robbing and archaeology are very distinct when you consider the motives. Enriching yourself vs enriching human understanding of the past.

0Icky0: Eddie Ate Dynamite: Speaking of, at what point does it go from grave-robbing to archaeology?

Yeah. And why is it OK to put Ramses the Great's body on display, but not Abraham Lincoln's?


I think there needs to be a clear and distinct break in culture before it's ok, to average people, to display bodies. They are thousands of years old with no link to the present, no known relatives with delicate sensibilities to complain, and no status as more than an average man to the average man today. Lincoln has such a status to the average American. He is revered. Then there is probably still tangible links around right now to his day. There are probably people alive still today who lost grandparents in the civil war, or who talked to people who fought in the war. Or if not by one degree, then two degrees.

Personally I think the point of displaying bodies is to generate interest in the past. If displaying Lincoln's body would generate more interest and study of the period then it would be a good thing to display it, but people are too sensitive and would never go for it.
 
2012-11-08 07:29:04 AM
Ha! France "surrenders" yet again. Ho ho ho hoo! Yuk yuk that was such a good one.
 
2012-11-08 07:56:25 AM

Slaxl: 0Icky0: Eddie Ate Dynamite: Speaking of, at what point does it go from grave-robbing to archaeology?

Yeah. And why is it OK to put Ramses the Great's body on display, but not Abraham Lincoln's?

I think there needs to be a clear and distinct break in culture before it's ok, to average people, to display bodies. They are thousands of years old with no link to the present, no known relatives with delicate sensibilities to complain, and no status as more than an average man to the average man today. Lincoln has such a status to the average American. He is revered. Then there is probably still tangible links around right now to his day. There are probably people alive still today who lost grandparents in the civil war, or who talked to people who fought in the war. Or if not by one degree, then two degrees.

Personally I think the point of displaying bodies is to generate interest in the past. If displaying Lincoln's body would generate more interest and study of the period then it would be a good thing to display it, but people are too sensitive and would never go for it.


It's also a heavily cultural thing. When Churchill died, over 300,000 people came to see his dead body (or as we delicately put it, to see him lie in state), but I don't think we'd put the corpse on display for longer than a few days. Conversely, the Soviet Union had the embalmed corpse of Lenin on display for nine decades.
 
2012-11-08 09:13:58 AM

0Icky0: Eddie Ate Dynamite: Speaking of, at what point does it go from grave-robbing to archaeology?

Yeah. And why is it OK to put Ramses the Great's body on display, but not Abraham Lincoln's?

/Too soon?
//Or Wogs don't have feelings like we do...


Oddly enough, up around 15 years ago the Smithsonian had a mummy exhibit with plenty of mummies. One was a 18 century Philadelphia man who's grave had limestone seep in and was naturally mummified. Later, they removed all the exhibits. That was in the "western civilization" exhibit that was both politically incorrect for being about western civilization and attacked by the right for pointing out the importance of Iraq (where it started and flourished for thousands of years).

There is a new mummy exhibit there now (or was, it may have been temporary), along with plenty of skeletons for their CSI: Jamestown exhibit.
 
2012-11-08 11:22:16 AM
Preserved
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Smashed up pile of bones

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