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(CBS News)   The Justice Department wants everyone to know that even if pot is legalized at state level, they're going to continue being complete dicks about it   (cbsnews.com) divider line 170
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2012-11-07 02:59:24 PM
Time to bring AG Holder back into the light. One signature from Holder would reschedule marijuana from schedule 1 to schedule 3 or 4 then the states could do what they want and the US would not be in violation of treaties.
 
2012-11-07 03:06:20 PM
Can this thing finally get some national attention? Get Senators, the President and others to talk about it? Two states took a stand and others have medical marijuana legalized (including Arizona).
 
2012-11-07 03:08:04 PM
In response, Justice Department spokeswoman Nanda Chitre said in a statement: "The department's enforcement of the Controlled Substances Act remains unchanged. In enacting the Controlled Substances Act, Congress determined that marijuana is a Schedule I controlled substance. We are reviewing the ballot initiatives and have no additional comment at this time."

Schedule I Controlled Substance
1.The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
Just like anything, a mental addiction can be created by the user, but there is absolutely no physical addiction or high potential for abuse unless the person chooses to do so.

2.The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
That's because you (the gov't) either refuses to conduct studies or straight up ignores the countless studies already out there proving otherwise

3.There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
That's because there's no need to have medical supervision when using marijuana, it's one of the safest natural products out there. Water has a higher mortality rate than marijuana.

In conclusion, congress is farking stupid
 
2012-11-07 03:13:51 PM

eurotrader: Time to bring AG Holder back into the light. One signature from Holder would reschedule marijuana from schedule 1 to schedule 3 or 4 then the states could do what they want and the US would not be in violation of treaties.


Er, no. It's a lot more complicated. Link
 
2012-11-07 03:15:40 PM

eurotrader: Time to bring AG Holder back into the light. One signature from Holder would reschedule marijuana from schedule 1 to schedule 3 or 4 then the states could do what they want and the US would not be in violation of treaties.


This. Pot doesn't meet any of the requirements for Schedule 1 anyway. I get that it's an easy way to score that War of Drugs money but the States are calling you on this BS, it's time to let it go.
 
2012-11-07 03:18:52 PM
I like how pot, a schedule 1 drug, is labeled as a "gateway" to other, more harsh, Schedule 2 or 3 drugs.

Yeah. That's like saying Jack Daniels is a gateway to beer.
 
2012-11-07 03:19:44 PM

Voiceofreason01: eurotrader: Time to bring AG Holder back into the light. One signature from Holder would reschedule marijuana from schedule 1 to schedule 3 or 4 then the states could do what they want and the US would not be in violation of treaties.

This. Pot doesn't meet any of the requirements for Schedule 1 anyway. I get that it's an easy way to score that War of Drugs money but the States are calling you on this BS, it's time to let it go.


after 80 farking years? wow...progress.
 
2012-11-07 03:30:08 PM
 
2012-11-07 03:50:04 PM

scottydoesntknow: 1.The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
Just like anything, a mental addiction can be created by the user, but there is absolutely no physical addiction or high potential for abuse unless the person chooses to do so.


There are differences between abuse, addiction, and dependence. Marijuana definitely had a high potential for abuse--just look at how many people enjoy abusing it. Then again, so do a lot of things both drug and nondrug, and we don't regulate those in the same way.
 
2012-11-07 03:59:11 PM

scottydoesntknow: 1.The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.


Evidently, I have a schedule 1 penis.
 
2012-11-07 04:02:28 PM
I thought the Civil War made it crystal clear that Federal Laws trump State Laws.
 
2012-11-07 04:02:44 PM
breeland.files.wordpress.com 

Dewd!!
 
2012-11-07 04:03:25 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: I thought the Civil War made it crystal clear that Federal Laws trump State Laws.


I thought the Boston tea party made it crystal clear that the AMerican people will dress up and toss your shiat into the harbor if you are complete dicks about your governing.
 
2012-11-07 04:07:12 PM

eurotrader: Time to bring AG Holder back into the light. One signature from Holder would reschedule marijuana from schedule 1 to schedule 3 or 4 then the states could do what they want and the US would not be in violation of treaties.


What makes you think Holder, Obama, or anybody else in Washington wants to do something about this ridiculous situation? The War on Drugs is great cronyism material.
 
2012-11-07 04:08:02 PM
Much like the military industrial complex is such a critical part of America's economy, so is its perpetual war on drugs.
 
2012-11-07 04:08:13 PM

vudukungfu: Kraftwerk Orange: I thought the Civil War made it crystal clear that Federal Laws trump State Laws.

I thought the Boston tea party made it crystal clear that the AMerican people will dress up and toss your shiat into the harbor if you are complete dicks about your governing.


The Boston Tea Party made it crystal clear that alcohol consumption can change the course of history.
 
2012-11-07 04:09:30 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: I thought the Civil War made it crystal clear that Federal Laws trump State Laws.


We should revisit that idea. I'm all for burning Atlanta down again
 
2012-11-07 04:09:59 PM
how do we get this on a nation ballot?
 
2012-11-07 04:10:30 PM
StrikitRich:

breeland.files.wordpress.com

Dewd, I voted for you!! Not cool, Obama!
 
2012-11-07 04:11:44 PM
What makes you think Holder, Obama, or anybody else in Washington wants to do something about this ridiculous situation? The War on Drugs is great cronyism material.

Obama does not participate in cronyism! He is the leader of the common man!
 
kab
2012-11-07 04:12:14 PM
So much for that whole "government by the people, for the people" schtick, eh?
 
2012-11-07 04:17:19 PM

CreamFilling: scottydoesntknow: 1.The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
Just like anything, a mental addiction can be created by the user, but there is absolutely no physical addiction or high potential for abuse unless the person chooses to do so.

There are differences between abuse, addiction, and dependence. Marijuana definitely had a high potential for abuse--just look at how many people enjoy abusing it. Then again, so do a lot of things both drug and nondrug, and we don't regulate those in the same way.


The definition of "abuse" is circular. Any use of marijuana is "abuse" because it has no accepted medicinal value. Who says it has no medicinal value? The DEA.

Oddly, Marinol - synthetic THC - is a legal, schedule III drug is acceptable. But THC in the plant is illegal.

Of course, drug companies manufacture Marinol so .. that's makes it perfectly fine then.
 
2012-11-07 04:18:48 PM

metzjames: how do we get this on a nation ballot?


First, you'd need a national ballot.
 
2012-11-07 04:20:46 PM
Step 1: Legalize Weed
Step 2: Elect a gun loving, states rights libertarian as sheriff
Step 3: Lavishly fund the tac teams

Sup DEA? Or as the sheriff calls you evil treasonous agents of big government...
 
2012-11-07 04:21:31 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Kraftwerk Orange: I thought the Civil War made it crystal clear that Federal Laws trump State Laws.

We should revisit that idea. I'm all for burning Atlanta down again


Put a firebreak around the north end of the 285 perimeter and you're fine with me.

/not a local
 
2012-11-07 04:23:00 PM

metzjames: how do we get this on a nation ballot?


Congress is the "nation ballot". Go knock on their doors if you want to pass laws legalizing shiat.
 
2012-11-07 04:26:02 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Kraftwerk Orange: I thought the Civil War made it crystal clear that Federal Laws trump State Laws.

We should revisit that idea. I'm all for burning Atlanta down again


Go for it. You'll take out more Yankees than Southerners.
 
2012-11-07 04:30:56 PM

Marcus Aurelius: metzjames: how do we get this on a nation ballot?

First, you'd need a national ballot.


And that is a major failing of our nation.
 
2012-11-07 04:33:46 PM
Has the fear of Negro Jazz Musicians finally subsided?
 
2012-11-07 04:36:59 PM
Federal agents don't enforce it in michigan against medical marijuana holders now, so all it sounds like is they are keeping their options open to use it as a tool when it suits them.

Not that that is right, but it isn't the "zomg they're gonna crackdown" that some may think.

Funbags: Much like the military industrial complex is such a critical part of America's economy, so is its perpetual war on drugs.


True, that still doesn't solely explain the continuing existence of the war on drugs. There are plenty of things the government could spend that money on in communities for improvement that have nothing to do with drugs. The seizure cash would of course be lost. It still ultimately comes down to ignorance and stupidity in our voting populace. Fortunately this is something that is waning with recent years.
 
2012-11-07 04:38:02 PM

Smackledorfer: Federal agents don't enforce it in michigan against medical marijuana holders now, so all it sounds like is they are keeping their options open to use it as a tool when it suits them.

Not that that is right, but it isn't the "zomg they're gonna crackdown" that some may think.

Funbags: Much like the military industrial complex is such a critical part of America's economy, so is its perpetual war on drugs.

True, that still doesn't solely explain the continuing existence of the war on drugs. There are plenty of things the government could spend that money on in communities for improvement that have nothing to do with drugs. The seizure cash would of course be lost. It still ultimately comes down to ignorance and stupidity in our voting populace. Fortunately this is something that is waning with recent years.


Largely as old people die.
 
2012-11-07 04:39:32 PM

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WHAT?!


MMMM, the bacon.
 
2012-11-07 04:43:01 PM
The Justice Department wants everyone to know that even if pot is legalized at state level, they're going to continue being complete dicks about it

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2012-11-07 04:46:24 PM

Nabb1: Smeggy Smurf: Kraftwerk Orange: I thought the Civil War made it crystal clear that Federal Laws trump State Laws.

We should revisit that idea. I'm all for burning Atlanta down again

Go for it. You'll take out more Yankees than Southerners.


Even better.
 
2012-11-07 04:54:46 PM
Once again, most people's position on states' rights comes back to bite them in the ass.
 
2012-11-07 04:57:55 PM

eurotrader: Time to bring AG Holder back into the light. One signature from Holder would reschedule marijuana from schedule 1 to schedule 3 or 4 then the states could do what they want and the US would not be in violation of treaties.


He is an incompetent, corrupt racist. I wouldn't count on him to do anything productive or logical.
 
2012-11-07 05:06:39 PM
I don't really care about legalization, but what I don't want is the government spending my taxes doing street-level policing of 47M people in three states. They already have border drug war and expanding the budget to oppose a states-rights issue is ridiculous.
 
2012-11-07 05:08:45 PM
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2012-11-07 05:09:55 PM
The piece on 60 Minutes from a few weeks ago was pretty interesting. Two words: Jury nullification.
 
2012-11-07 05:18:42 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: I thought the Civil War made it crystal clear that Federal Laws trump State Laws.


This. It doesn't work for anti-abortion laws and it won't work for this. It is, however, a roundabout way of getting a point across.

Also, bear in mind the situation changes going the other direction. A federal ban means state-level legalization means nothing, but if federal law changes, states can still have their own bans. The states that "legalized" pot basically clarified that they did their part and are now just waiting for the federal government to make its move.

For similar reasons, a lot of states have anti-abortion laws set up to trigger the instant Roe vs. Wade is reversed. They're not unconstitutional since they comply as-written.

These aren't complete wastes of time, though I will agree with anyone who thinks they're 99% dog-and-pony show.
 
2012-11-07 05:19:08 PM
Didn't the governor of CO basically say that he wasn't going to implement their ballot referendum, regardless of the outcome of the vote?
 
2012-11-07 05:24:20 PM

dragonchild: Kraftwerk Orange: I thought the Civil War made it crystal clear that Federal Laws trump State Laws.

This. It doesn't work for anti-abortion laws and it won't work for this. It is, however, a roundabout way of getting a point across.

Also, bear in mind the situation changes going the other direction. A federal ban means state-level legalization means nothing, but if federal law changes, states can still have their own bans. The states that "legalized" pot basically clarified that they did their part and are now just waiting for the federal government to make its move.

For similar reasons, a lot of states have anti-abortion laws set up to trigger the instant Roe vs. Wade is reversed. They're not unconstitutional since they comply as-written.

These aren't complete wastes of time, though I will agree with anyone who thinks they're 99% dog-and-pony show.


The difference is that legalizing pot gives people MORE rights, while making abortion illegal TAKES AWAY rights.

The history of federal law in this country is about giving people MORE "personal" rights, for the most part.

So yes, federal law still rules the land, but the states are doing the right thing by saying "We want more rights", and the Feds will probably cave. The same can't be said about abortion. The feds aren't big on taking away rights people already have.
 
2012-11-07 05:24:51 PM

dragonchild: Kraftwerk Orange: I thought the Civil War made it crystal clear that Federal Laws trump State Laws.

This. It doesn't work for anti-abortion laws and it won't work for this. It is, however, a roundabout way of getting a point across.

Also, bear in mind the situation changes going the other direction. A federal ban means state-level legalization means nothing, but if federal law changes, states can still have their own bans. The states that "legalized" pot basically clarified that they did their part and are now just waiting for the federal government to make its move.

For similar reasons, a lot of states have anti-abortion laws set up to trigger the instant Roe vs. Wade is reversed. They're not unconstitutional since they comply as-written.

These aren't complete wastes of time, though I will agree with anyone who thinks they're 99% dog-and-pony show.


Sure the DEA can still act in those state to enforce federal drug laws. But last I checked, most cannabis enforcement is done by local police, sheriffs, and highway patrol. Are they gonna step down on this due to state law? I'm curious to see how the state AGs, and their own commanders direct them on it.
 
2012-11-07 05:26:10 PM

badspella: I don't really care about legalization, but what I don't want is the government spending my taxes doing street-level policing of 47M people in three states. They already have border drug war and expanding the budget to oppose a states-rights issue is ridiculous.


They won't need to - they'll just cut off federal funding to the states and they'll fall in line quickly enough.
 
2012-11-07 05:29:17 PM
Why is this in the Business tab instead of the Politics tab?
 
2012-11-07 05:29:28 PM

pudding7: The piece on 60 Minutes from a few weeks ago was pretty interesting. Two words: Jury nullification.


Yeah. And though the Fed representative in the piece didn't come out and say they weren't going to prosecute people complying with the state law, he did everything but say it.

DEA just needs to focus on keeping the illegal (read: untaxed) weed down; just like ATF does with moonshine.
 
2012-11-07 05:30:15 PM

al-Mundane: Why is this in the Business tab instead of the Politics tab?


Isn't the politics tab still being fumigated?
 
2012-11-07 05:33:55 PM
i'm trying to imagine a scenario where the feds start investing heavily in cracking down on a gram or 2 possession. Pounds sure but I don't see them enforcing anything below the current limits.
 
2012-11-07 05:35:34 PM

naughtyrev: badspella: I don't really care about legalization, but what I don't want is the government spending my taxes doing street-level policing of 47M people in three states. They already have border drug war and expanding the budget to oppose a states-rights issue is ridiculous.

They won't need to - they'll just cut off federal funding to the states and they'll fall in line quickly enough.


The thing is, they haven't done so with medical MJ. If the feds were serious, medical MJ would not exist, they would tie up all highway funding until the State that passed it relented and made it illegal again. The government knows it exists at the will of the people, that's why the GOP didn't ban abortion when they had complete power after 9/11, they knew it would get them killed. The federal position on MJ is going to change fairly soon, as the justifications for schedule 1 are tenuous at best. Once the schedule changes, states will be free to do what they want.
 
2012-11-07 05:36:23 PM
"We are reviewing the ballot initiatives and have no additional comment at this time."

Actually that's a pretty damn staid response from them. That's a far cry from, "We will not tolerate the flouting of federal law and will vigorously prosecute persons found to be in violation of the law" which is what I would have expected.

The vast majority of people who want to smoke weed already smoke weed. Lots of people will be shocked when everything stays the same after it's legalized.
 
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