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2012-11-07 06:32:58 PM  
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TGWJH: While they might have been interesting pre 2006, I am well aware of the Borg and how much better of a character they are in every respect. Including humor.


I don't know. I don't remember the Borg being involved in any scene as funny as the Cybermen getting trash-talked by the Daleks.
2012-11-07 07:40:21 PM  
3 votes:

SockMonkeyHolocaust: It's Neil Gaiman so it's going to be painfully derivative of whatever is really popular right now- so how much zombie school teachers making meth can you take?


I don't even care enough to give you a score. Just go fark off and fark yourself.
2012-11-07 06:49:17 PM  
2 votes:
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Would you like me to repeat the question?
2012-11-07 03:38:39 PM  
2 votes:
The Cybermen are terrible. Like many Dr. Who villains, their greatest weakness is their inability to run.
2012-11-08 01:46:58 PM  
1 votes:

LeoffDaGrate: 100 Watt Walrus: LeoffDaGrate: It rules out nothing. The newer Cybermen lost the Cybus logo, that's all. They've already been jumping around both time and parallel universes. Different weapons, TOTALLY different stylings, and no silly weakness to gold. They're the new-school variety.

Well, obviously they're not going to go back to the '60s-'80s style Cybermen.

I don't remember nuWho Cybermen doing any time travel. Can you refresh my memory on that? Is there any point at which it's specifically mentioned that they've time-travelled? Or are you assuming so because nuWho Cybers have shown up in Victorian times, etc.?

As for not having a weakness to gold, I don't recall them specifically coming into contact with gold - at least not the ones I'm presuming to be Mondas Cybers. The Pete's World Cybers may have, as RTD was trying to clearly establish that his Cybers were not old-school Cybers, but not those in "A Good Man Goes to War" or "Closing Time."


You're trying to make things "fit" with the vaguest of information. There's no indication that these are old-school Cybermen

Time Travel theories and examples:
"Army of Ghosts" Cybermen traveled through the void to a parallel universe, but no limitations are given as to what time period they can deposit themselves in, like much the Void Ship.
"The Next Doctor". Yes, Cybermen in Victorian times.
"The Pandorica Opens" Cybermen guard the Pandorica for hundreds, perhaps thousands of years.
"A Good Man goes to War" Cybermen in the future. Possibly from simple linear progression, possibly from time travel. No way to know, not addressed.

No contact with gold does not equal weakness for gold. Besides, if gold WAS a weakness, and they were old school, sooner or later the Doctor would have used it somehow as a plot point to help push the notion that these were old-schoolers.

Nowhere in any interviews or the episodes themselves have RTD, SM, or any other writers or producers mentioned Mondas, "old school" Cybermen, or ...


It seems to me you're trying even hard to make things fit your view:

"Army of Ghosts" has Cybermen traveling from present-day Pete's World to present-day here. There has never, ever been even a hint that travel between those to worlds could also include time travel.

I do not recall - and apparently neither do you - any indication that the Cybermen time-travelled to any of the periods in any of the stories you mentioned. In fact, in the entire canonical history of "Doctor Who" (this doesn't include comics, audio books, etc.) I can recall only one occasion in which the Cybermen time-traveled of their own accord - the Colin Baker adventure "Attack of the Cybermen" - and in that story they stole a time machine.

You can't say things that haven't happened or haven't been said are evidence that you're theory is correct - especially when pointing to things that haven't been said or demonstrated is the entire basis of your argument that my theory is wrong.

So unless you can point to some story where it's said that the Cybermen have the ability to time-travel, I'm sticking to the theory that Cybers seen in any era prior to 2007 ("Rise of the Cybermen") are Mondas Cybermen.


However, I will grant that damn near everybody the Doctor has ever beaten turns up in Roman times during "The Pandorica Opens," whether they've been mentioned as time-travelers or not (e.g., the Zygons), so either every villain race in the universe can time travel at some point in their existence (and hold a grudge for a very long time) or a bunch of them hitched a ride with those who can. Personally, I'd lean toward the latter.
2012-11-07 10:52:46 PM  
1 votes:

jackmalice: TGWJH: Dear Dr. Who writers,

The Cybermen are awful. Nothing you can write can make them better. No additional information or revision will ever make me feel anything but disgust whenever I see a Cybermen episode. They are a joke and a bad one at that. Take the Daleks, strip them of everything good about the character, add hands, and you get the Cybermen.


Well, they are better at dying.


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2012-11-07 08:49:57 PM  
1 votes:
Hoping Neil brings back the original, cloth-faced Cybermen from "The Tenth Planet".

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2012-11-07 08:40:37 PM  
1 votes:
It won't take much to make it the best episode of the season, as it's been farking awful thus far. Moffat or not, they need to get back to basics, and stop trying to show us how clever they think they are.
2012-11-07 07:30:24 PM  
1 votes:

TGWJH: Dear Dr. Who writers,

The Cybermen are awful. Nothing you can write can make them better. No additional information or revision will ever make me feel anything but disgust whenever I see a Cybermen episode. They are a joke and a bad one at that. Take the Daleks, strip them of everything good about the character, add hands, and you get the Cybermen.


Well, they are better at dying.
2012-11-07 06:35:58 PM  
1 votes:

Fish in a Barrel: TGWJH: While they might have been interesting pre 2006, I am well aware of the Borg and how much better of a character they are in every respect. Including humor.

I don't know. I don't remember the Borg being involved in any scene as funny as the Cybermen getting trash-talked by the Daleks.


Not to mention the Borg were basically gutted as a villain in Voyager.
2012-11-07 06:09:05 PM  
1 votes:
screw the cybermen, bring back the iccccccccccccccccce warriors. it's only been 38 years since they have been on
2012-11-07 05:55:20 PM  
1 votes:
Hope they won't go "Asylum of..." with this one. But if it's a must, then at least focus more on the original, death-by-floodlight ones.
2012-11-07 05:23:02 PM  
1 votes:
FTFA: Cyberman, the vicious cyborg (much like cylons)

Ummm.... right.
 
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