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2012-11-07 03:09:20 PM  
Err ... image didn't post.

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2012-11-07 03:09:50 PM  

MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today our fiscal problems are not going to be fixed anytime soon.

light em if you got em.....it's going to be a bumpy ride.


Funny, a few days ago these were your 'facts'.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-07 03:09:52 PM  

skullkrusher: Headso: skullkrusher: some sort of professional courtesy where you don't call each other out? Man, people have no sense of community anymore these days

that's nothing anyone remember that doctormojophd guy? that dude had like files on people

yeah, where'd he go?


prob got banned for trolling other farkers, that dude was relentless
 
2012-11-07 03:09:55 PM  

The Iconoclast: Aren't there truth in advertizing laws? Why not have truth in journalism laws? Couldn't some kind of class-action be taken on behalf of the American people? A lot of stuff we're being fed by the "media" is just outright lies.


Yep. Like I said, there is so much gray area here it's crazy. And first amendment issues make you want to tread lightly. Like I said, I'm cool with lying and whatnot, I just want regulation of the word news. If you call yourself news, you have to meet minimum standards. And the place to properly fight it out is the courts, where for instance NBC News can sue Fox News for damages by diluting/destroying the meaning of the word "news."
 
2012-11-07 03:12:09 PM  

themadtupper: DamnYankees: For what it's worth, Barack Obama is now only the third Democrat in history to win 2 elections with 50%+ of the vote - FDR and Jackson.

[Jefferson]

ಠ_ಠ

 

i.imgur.com 

JEFFERSON, YOU DOLT!!!!!
 
2012-11-07 03:12:59 PM  

sandoval10: StreetlightInTheGhetto: henryhill: Counter_Intelligent: I noticed that, too. Where are all the Derpists today? Out buying guns and ammo?

We are missing alot of people here today arent we. My screen is noticably missing alot of red farkies.

They're off the clock now


I don't know if it's just me but, I detect a little anger it the righties today. Might be about Romney, or is it Allen West? It might be
Elizabeth Warren, or Allen Grayson that has their dander up. Give me a day or two, I'll put my finger on it.


By "off the clock" I meant "they're not getting paid anymore".

This isn't the case with all of them, by any means. And I'm sure that Democratic campaigns have "social media" hires who just roam forums and discussion boards like gangbusters.

But just wait for two years. They'll come around again. Might have new names, but...

(I called a paid shill out in 08 - he said he was a Michigan voter and he totally wasn't. I really don't bother highlighting anyone except a few Michiganders (before I got bored of keeping track), anyone who sponsors me... and *that guy*.

He came out for a post or two this year until I called him out again, then disappeared like Soze. Maybe he forgot that I had done so before when he dusted off the "logins I created several years ago so it looks like I have more cred on these sites and can't be called out as a newbie" folder.)
 
2012-11-07 03:13:58 PM  

Modguy: Mid terms are still going to favor the GOP. So long as the only people who truly "get out the vote" during the Mid Terms/Primaries are old white people, the GOP will still be relevant in that regard.


Those are good points, but remember the Tea Party Senate candidates also struggled in 2010 and could get nominated again in 2014, and remember where the economy was in 2010 and where it could be in 2014.
 
2012-11-07 03:14:08 PM  

Glenford: MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today our fiscal problems are not going to be fixed anytime soon.

light em if you got em.....it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Funny, a few days ago these were your 'facts'.

[i.imgur.com image 850x430]


Do you have a thread number?

This may need to be immortalized in art.
 
2012-11-07 03:14:30 PM  

vernonFL: Phil Moskowitz: Take a moment and imagine this man's sexual tastes.

On a scale of 1 to John Wayne Gacy, I'm thinking he's an 8.


He makes John Waters look like a Presbyterian Sunday school teacher.
 
jvl
2012-11-07 03:15:16 PM  
Mandates come from being easily elected after making clear, large proposals about what you will do once elected. So no, Obama does not have a mandate for any particular action he might choose to take now. His only mandate is to be President. Contrast this with the first time around where he had clear plans for change and a mandate to which supported those plans.

Personally, I'm hoping he will use his final term to reform Social Security. God knows you can't talk about that kind of thing during an election. He and Pelosi seem to be able to accomplish anything, and that's the thing most needed.
 
2012-11-07 03:15:17 PM  

qorkfiend: The Iconoclast: Aren't there truth in advertizing laws? Why not have truth in journalism laws? Couldn't some kind of class-action be taken on behalf of the American people? A lot of stuff we're being fed by the "media" is just outright lies.

We have libel and slander laws, but the idea of the government being the arbiter of what is true, and being able to enforce that via law, runs counter to both the letter and spirit of the First Amendment.


That makes perfect sense. Perhaps we could just pelt bad journalists with rotton tomatoes... There's got to be a way to stop the outright BS...
 
2012-11-07 03:18:57 PM  

skullkrusher: Headso: skullkrusher: some sort of professional courtesy where you don't call each other out? Man, people have no sense of community anymore these days
that's nothing anyone remember that doctormojophd guy? that dude had like files on people
yeah, where'd he go?


Was wondering that myself. I had a few conversations with him outside of here. He's a little different. "Intense" doesn't quite cover it. I think he'll be back one of these days.
 
2012-11-07 03:20:22 PM  
GOP two days ago: This is a CHANGE ELECTION! Americans will choose between two VERY DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS for the country! This is the BIGGEST ELECTION OF OUR LIVES!!!

OBAMA WINS

GOP today:
There is no mandate. This means nothing.
 
2012-11-07 03:20:26 PM  

Jackpot777: Glenford: MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today our fiscal problems are not going to be fixed anytime soon.

light em if you got em.....it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Funny, a few days ago these were your 'facts'.

[i.imgur.com image 850x430]

Do you have a thread number?

This may need to be immortalized in art.


Here you go.

Posted it a bit up thread. 

Still looking for Wombat and dfourus, their crow is getting cold.
 
2012-11-07 03:20:50 PM  

cryinoutloud: skullkrusher: Headso: skullkrusher: some sort of professional courtesy where you don't call each other out? Man, people have no sense of community anymore these days
that's nothing anyone remember that doctormojophd guy? that dude had like files on people
yeah, where'd he go?

Was wondering that myself. I had a few conversations with him outside of here. He's a little different. "Intense" doesn't quite cover it. I think he'll be back one of these days.


perhaps he's still with us?
 
2012-11-07 03:20:54 PM  

sammyk: Denial is the first stage of grieving Charles. It's going to be a long ride.

The electorate is moving to the left and last night was the very last chance for the conservative agenda.


Dear God, I'd love to think so. At least "conservative" will, fairly soon, have to redefine itself if it's going to survive. On the other hand, I didn't think some of these people would be so...stubborn.

My theory that 2004 was the last election that the Republicans could use homophobia as an election strategy is holding on. That was the cycle that they put gay marriage bans on the agenda in something like 13 swing states simultaneously to beef up Republican participation. Sooner or later, if only because of momentum, they're going to have to abandon being anti-gay. They won't have a choice. Too much progress will have been made in that area.

Getting them to take abortion off the table is going to be a bit harder, because the wingnut wing has been extremely successful in making progress towards bans in that area. The goal of Pro-Lifers has been to ensure enough Republican Presidential administrations to pack the court with Scalias (with Thomas, they have two now) and Obama hasn't had the chance to replace a conservative Justice yet. On the other hand, Roberts very publicly proved himself an unreliable puppet.

But they'll have to take those two issues off the table if the forces that elected Obama are going to glance in their direction again. They still have SOME stuff left; for some reason, a majority of Americans still considers them superior in terms of controlling the federal budget and securing the national defense, despite Bush's spectacular failures in both those areas. They'll have to come down off the social issues to stand a better chance in national elections. There's precedent for this - when the Democrats gave up racism as part of their national platform, their hold on the "solid south" disintegrated, and the Republicans rushed in to pick up the pieces. If they surrendered those two issues ("Okay, fine, abortion stays legal and gay marriage is all right") you'd start seeing Southern states turn blue again. And elections would become a lot less predictable.
 
2012-11-07 03:20:56 PM  

Jackpot777: Glenford: MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today our fiscal problems are not going to be fixed anytime soon.

light em if you got em.....it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Funny, a few days ago these were your 'facts'.

[i.imgur.com image 850x430]

Do you have a thread number?

This may need to be immortalized in art.


Original thread
 
2012-11-07 03:22:51 PM  
Oh, man, I drank so many bottles of Conservative Tears last night I passed out and just woke up. What going on h....oh, FFS, Krauthammer! Just slink back to the dark side of the moon where you belong!

Do you sent the condolence letters to full­b­u­tth­u­rt­mode­[nospam-﹫-backwards]pog*com?
 
2012-11-07 03:22:53 PM  

peasandcarrots: sammyk: Denial is the first stage of grieving Charles. It's going to be a long ride.

The electorate is moving to the left and last night was the very last chance for the conservative agenda.

Dear God, I'd love to think so. At least "conservative" will, fairly soon, have to redefine itself if it's going to survive. On the other hand, I didn't think some of these people would be so...stubborn.

My theory that 2004 was the last election that the Republicans could use homophobia as an election strategy is holding on. That was the cycle that they put gay marriage bans on the agenda in something like 13 swing states simultaneously to beef up Republican participation. Sooner or later, if only because of momentum, they're going to have to abandon being anti-gay. They won't have a choice. Too much progress will have been made in that area.

Getting them to take abortion off the table is going to be a bit harder, because the wingnut wing has been extremely successful in making progress towards bans in that area. The goal of Pro-Lifers has been to ensure enough Republican Presidential administrations to pack the court with Scalias (with Thomas, they have two now) and Obama hasn't had the chance to replace a conservative Justice yet. On the other hand, Roberts very publicly proved himself an unreliable puppet.

But they'll have to take those two issues off the table if the forces that elected Obama are going to glance in their direction again. They still have SOME stuff left; for some reason, a majority of Americans still considers them superior in terms of controlling the federal budget and securing the national defense, despite Bush's spectacular failures in both those areas. They'll have to come down off the social issues to stand a better chance in national elections. There's precedent for this - when the Democrats gave up racism as part of their national platform, their hold on the "solid south" disintegrated, and the Republicans rushed in to pick up the pieces. If they ...


I think the electorate is just where it's always been. Somewhere around the middle. That's why they vote for the party that's somewhere around the middle. It isn't a shift in the electorate, it is a shift in the GOP that's made the difference.
 
2012-11-07 03:25:08 PM  

skullkrusher:
Was wondering that myself. I had a few conversations with him outside of here. He's a little different. "Intense" doesn't quite cover it. I think he'll be back one of these days.
perhaps he's still with us?


Nah, he's too proud to use an alt. I think he just took his demons elsewhere for a while.

/If you're here, mojo--don't eviscerate me.
 
2012-11-07 03:25:30 PM  
i.ytimg.com

"Let me put it to you this way: I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it."

2004 - Bush - 62,040,610 (popular vote); 286 (electoral vote)
Kerry - 59,028,444 (popular vote); 251 (electoral vote)
Difference - 3,012,166 (popular vote); 35 (electoral vote)

2012 - Obama - 60,305,225 (popular vote); 303 (electoral vote)
Romney - 57,538,254 (popular vote); 206 (electoral vote)
Difference - 2,766,971 (popular vote); 97 (electoral vote)
 
2012-11-07 03:25:46 PM  

qorkfiend: Carn: qorkfiend: The Iconoclast: We need to hold our "journalists" to higher standards. They are supposed to be the watchdogs of our society. How do we go about getting them to do their job?

Carn: He threw in a lot of liberal code words last night, as well as made it perfectly clear the Republicans would get one chance to immediately come to the table or they are going to learn thing or two about brass knuckles.

One thing's for sure; after the "fiscal cliff" hits, it will be highly amusing to watch the party of "fiscal responsibility" argue in favor of deliberately unbalancing the budget and taking on more debt to pay for upper-income tax cuts and more military spending.

But we need more boats! And stuff.

Listen - the US Navy's dwindling number of steam-powered sloops and tramp steamers is a huge national security risk! Why can't you see this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!


NO NO NO NO NO. We need more sailboats because wind power.
 
2012-11-07 03:26:15 PM  
You know, the fact that the media was turning this into a much closer race than it really was (media != people who can actually do impartial statistics and math, and you know which two I mean) probably really helped energize the Obama ground game.

On Monday night I had to drop off a UPS package, and my normal drop box was full (could've stolen a bunch of stuff out of it full). So in running around trying to find where this phantom box at another address is supposed to be, I run into the Obama headquarters for the city and ask them. Now... Michigan went Obama easy. This is 7 PM the night before the election. It was still packed with people, at least half in their 40s-60s and white, who were still working. Yeah, they were pushing downticket candidates... but there was at least one poll that went Romney and they wanted to make damn sure that didn't happen.

Hell, there's one area in town that is notorious for siccing lawyers on people who dare to talk to residents, First Amendment (and state permits, and state law citations, and city permit be damned). This one woman in her 50s was talking about how she was going to circumnavigate the security there to do GOTV on Tuesday.

They were that crazy revved up still in Michigan. I can only imagine in Ohio. And I knew from the get-go that Obama's ground game in 08 was meticulously detailed in their data collection... things change in 4 years, especially with unlikely voters, but they had much less to do this year to catch the data back up to speed. After that it was just motivating people to go out there and do it... and nothing like knowing your state is a nail-biter to get your butt to one of the zillions of Obama locations in battleground states. Where they're set up to get you to work ASAP.

Ironically, I guess, if that's ironic, the same "close race" the media was calling for Romney probably threw the win squarely to Obama. He probably would've won anyway, but maybe not as decisively.

The closer the media said the race was, the more Silver seemed to have Obama winning.
 
2012-11-07 03:26:17 PM  

cryinoutloud: skullkrusher:
Was wondering that myself. I had a few conversations with him outside of here. He's a little different. "Intense" doesn't quite cover it. I think he'll be back one of these days.
perhaps he's still with us?

Nah, he's too proud to use an alt. I think he just took his demons elsewhere for a while.

/If you're here, mojo--don't eviscerate me.


that dude made me look like a rank amateur when it comes to pedantry
 
2012-11-07 03:28:22 PM  

culebra: aug3: Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.

In a sense he's correct, but the problem is that Obama has done a brilliant job of taking all of the good conservative ideas and making them his own. There's no room in that territory for Republicans except through the compromise they are so unwilling to even consider.

If one were so inclined they might call that a pretty strong political strategy on Obama's part.


Let me preface this by saying I'm glad Obama won. Really really glad. However I'm still pretty worried (concerned, if you will) about the road our political machine is going down.

Our two party system is already pretty slim for choices in my opinion, but when one of those parties is cartoon villain evil and batshiat crazy at the same time then obviously you're left with only one choice. As the GOP sheds its less evil, more sane and centrist members they're picked up by the only viable party still standing. As a result that party tends to move to the right (formerly towards the center, but I'd say that line was crossed a while ago).

This leaves the GOP nothing but their extremist territory, and effectively makes ours a one party system. I believe the only reason the GOP even manages to get votes is the ridiculously effective poison they're allowed to whisper into the ears of anyone they can get to listen. You need an educated and informed electorate for this shiat to work!

Anyways, so yeah...one party system. Without a viable opposition what's to keep the Democratic party on the rails? Perhaps sanity, good intentions, and intellect will self-regulate the party, but I'd hate to bet on it over a long period of time.

I suppose the path of least resistance might be for the D's ranks to continue to swell, the R's continue to shrink, and at a certain point the balloon pops and some "new" parties become viable when the great schism occurs in the Democratic party.

What do you guys think? Can the R's pull their shiat together and still have room to stand? Will a new party spring up in the barren wasteland that is a true political left? Hidden option C?
 
2012-11-07 03:28:32 PM  

qorkfiend: The Iconoclast: Aren't there truth in advertizing laws? Why not have truth in journalism laws? Couldn't some kind of class-action be taken on behalf of the American people? A lot of stuff we're being fed by the "media" is just outright lies.

We have libel and slander laws, but the idea of the government being the arbiter of what is true, and being able to enforce that via law, runs counter to both the letter and spirit of the First Amendment.


All you need to do is slightly modify the current libel/slander laws to more easily allow for damages. NBC News could then sue Fox News for using the word news while lying. Using the word news while filling the airwaves with lies takes value away from the word news, which in turn takes value away from NBC News. The problem now is you could easily show Fox News is full of lies but good luck showing direct damages.

I do agree with your first amendment concerns though. That's why I only want regulation of the word news. Print whatever you want to print, say whatever you want to say, you just can't call it all news. I also wouldn't want the FCC overseeing it, it would have to be the judicial branch.
 
2012-11-07 03:28:47 PM  

CygnusDarius: Carn: CygnusDarius: Carn: He threw in a lot of liberal code words last night, as well as made it perfectly clear the Republicans would get one chance to immediately come to the table or they are going to learn thing or two about brass knuckles.

Let's hope that's true, because the republicans in the house will fight tooth and nail, and there's nothing more dangerous than a cornered rat.

Boehner actually sounds like he understands his predicament (cooperate or die). McConnell is the one who will stick to his intransigence no matter what, but if King leads them to change the filibuster to be less ridiculous he might be muted. Of course, Cantor and the teahadists are still strong in the House so you're right. I truly think they wasted all their political capital at the worst time. They tried to convince everyone that liberal policies would never let our economy recover. During the next four years, we're going to see them pay off in spades. They can either try to join the party or set themselves up for complete slaughter in 2016. I'm ok with either.

My worry is, there's still money in politics. The Kochs, the bankers, anyone that might have something to lose with progressive ideas in the government will move up to bribe/bully/remove key Democrats and progressives. They'll use Fox News (again) and CNN (have noticed this for some time now) to drop the fear on people, and they'll use the Tea Party as the vanguard for more vicious attacks.

Democrats better be ready to man the walls, shields and swords, because, as the Romans used to say: Barbari ad portas (Barbarians at the gates).


You're right. I'm perhaps foolishly believing that they'll be up to the fight this time.
 
2012-11-07 03:29:41 PM  

MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today our fiscal problems are not going to be fixed anytime soon.

light em if you got em.....it's going to be a bumpy ride.


Yeah, I'm disappointed with the congress still being Republican too.
 
2012-11-07 03:33:24 PM  

jvl: Mandates come from being easily elected after making clear, large proposals about what you will do once elected. So no, Obama does not have a mandate for any particular action he might choose to take now. His only mandate is to be President. Contrast this with the first time around where he had clear plans for change and a mandate to which supported those plans.

Personally, I'm hoping he will use his final term to reform Social Security. God knows you can't talk about that kind of thing during an election. He and Pelosi seem to be able to accomplish anything, and that's the thing most needed.


This.

Come on, liberally minded people and rebelling conservatives who are waiting for their party to get sane again... we have to be better people than Dubya and try to bridge the gap with the saner folks on the right.

Not the crazy ideologues, though. Obama learned you can't work with them, as their only goal is to undermine at every turn. But the 25% of the country or so that voted Republican for various reasons and who maybe didn't approve of Bush in 2008... those.
 
2012-11-07 03:36:20 PM  
i301.photobucket.com 

/"shoved up it is own anus"...?!?

//also gayer than LordAction talking about sodomy. NNTAWWT
 
2012-11-07 03:41:57 PM  
Boehner on TV right now saying that Obama has no mandate and that Boehner and House Republicans will agree to a "balanced approach" to cut spending and raise revenue, so long as revenue doesn't mean tax increases on the top two percent. He does, however, support the Romney/Ryan plan to modify the tax code.

The balls on these guys.
 
2012-11-07 03:44:40 PM  
The scary thing is that something as "simple" as another 9/11 can change all of this very quickly. No matter demographics and best intentions.
 
2012-11-07 03:45:34 PM  

skullkrusher: that dude made me look like a rank amateur when it comes to pedantry


Shh, before we get banninated.
 
2012-11-07 04:01:13 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: quickdraw: Weaver95: authoritarians all over are gonna scream bloody murder all week.

I must admit - this pleases me greatly.

lets see how Limbaugh and the other major GOP pundits call it today. He might say something classy and low key! hey, it could happen.

*blink*

Who are you and what have you done with Weaver95?


Weaver took a HARD left turn about 3-4 years ago. It was disconcerting but nice.
 
2012-11-07 04:05:33 PM  
Fark you Chuck, shouldn't you be in the Mid-East stealing land from brown people? We all know that's what drives your "opinion" anyways.

Suck it Zionists, guess you will have to 9/11 us again. Is there somewhere I can donate to Iran's nuclear efforts?
 
2012-11-07 04:07:18 PM  

President Raygun: Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: quickdraw: Weaver95: authoritarians all over are gonna scream bloody murder all week.

I must admit - this pleases me greatly.

lets see how Limbaugh and the other major GOP pundits call it today. He might say something classy and low key! hey, it could happen.

*blink*

Who are you and what have you done with Weaver95?

Weaver took a HARD left turn about 3-4 years ago. It was disconcerting but nice.



That's fundamentally incorrect. Weaver stood still while the GOP took a HARD turn right.
 
2012-11-07 04:09:27 PM  

President Raygun: Weaver took a HARD left turn about 3-4 years ago. It was disconcerting but nice.


Not really. It was a slight left turn, but happened to coincide with the Democratic party dashing towards the center to fill the void left by the GOP taking the high-speed rail right over to fantasyland, so it looks more extreme than it was.
 
2012-11-07 04:11:31 PM  

incendi: President Raygun: Weaver took a HARD left turn about 3-4 years ago. It was disconcerting but nice.

Not really. It was a slight left turn, but happened to coincide with the Democratic party dashing towards the center to fill the void left by the GOP taking the high-speed rail right over to fantasyland, so it looks more extreme than it was.


I still contend that he's still a reactionary but is trying to score some libbie Farkette tail cuz he heard they're easy
 
2012-11-07 04:12:14 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Fark you Chuck, shouldn't you be in the Mid-East stealing land from brown people? We all know that's what drives your "opinion" anyways.

Suck it Zionists, guess you will have to 9/11 us again. Is there somewhere I can donate to Iran's nuclear efforts?


you should change your name to Insufferable Jesus
 
2012-11-07 04:14:46 PM  

skullkrusher: Insatiable Jesus: Fark you Chuck, shouldn't you be in the Mid-East stealing land from brown people? We all know that's what drives your "opinion" anyways.

Suck it Zionists, guess you will have to 9/11 us again. Is there somewhere I can donate to Iran's nuclear efforts?

you should change your name to Insufferable Jesus


OK thats funny.
 
2012-11-07 04:14:54 PM  

Eddie Ate Dynamite: culebra: aug3: Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.

In a sense he's correct, but the problem is that Obama has done a brilliant job of taking all of the good conservative ideas and making them his own. There's no room in that territory for Republicans except through the compromise they are so unwilling to even consider.

If one were so inclined they might call that a pretty strong political strategy on Obama's part.

Let me preface this by saying I'm glad Obama won. Really really glad. However I'm still pretty worried (concerned, if you will) about the road our political machine is going down.

Our two party system is already pretty slim for choices in my opinion, but when one of those parties is cartoon villain evil and batshiat crazy at the same time then obviously you're left with only one choice. As the GOP sheds its less evil, more sane and centrist members they're picked up by the only viable party still standing. As a result that party tends to move to the right (formerly towards the center, but I'd say that line was crossed a while ago).

This leaves the GOP nothing but their extremist territory, and effectively makes ours a one party system. I believe the only reason the GOP even manages to get votes is the ridiculously effective poison they're allowed to whisper into the ears of anyone they can get to listen. You need an educated and informed electorate for this shiat to work!

Anyways, so yeah...one party system. Without a viable opposition what's to keep the Democratic party on the rails? Perhaps sanity, good intentions, and intellect will self-regulate the party, but I'd hate to bet on it over a long period of time.

I suppose the path of least resistance might be for the D's ranks to continue to swell, the R's continue to shrink, and at a certain point the balloon pops and some "new" parties become viable when the great schism occurs in the Democratic party.

What do you guys think ...


political parties losing voters or gaining voters en masse is nothing new

the reality of it is that old habits die hard, that is cultural conservatism will probably die about as soon as cultural progressivism in this country - ie: never, and at the end of the day no matter how bad things get economically or militarily - if people can't connect with a presidential candidate on a personal level (that is, if cultural value differences get in the way) then they're going to lose - so culture will always be important even if it's unlikely said person will legislate culture

they will however evolve and change in what's considered culturally conservative or culturally liberal, what was 50 years ago a fight for civil rights among blacks is now a fight for civil rights for homosexuals even if the two voting blocs aren't compatible or seamless (that is, homosexuality is frowned upon in black culture as much if not more than it is in white culture or hispanic culture)... so voters will become fragmented over time and likely start feeling one way or the other slowly, issues will come and go (ie: in 2008 the war on terror took center stage when the parties were still in the nominating process, but was never brought up in this year's nominating process or the general election)

so in the long term who knows what voters will think, in the short term i think republicans will simply react to whatever Obama's agenda is for his second term but i wouldn't be surprised if Obamacare is brought up about as much in 2016 as the war on terror was brought up in 2012 - that is, not at all (especially if it's a boondoggle for the healthcare/insurance industry)
 
2012-11-07 04:21:56 PM  
Here's the column he wrote after 2004 - link


The endorsement was resounding. First, his electoral college victory was solid...Second, there was the popular vote. Bush supporters should not gloat too much about the popular vote, given the fact that they lost it last time. Nonetheless, if you have already won the electoral vote, it is okay to talk about the popular vote as a kind of adjunct legitimizer. And a 3.5-million-vote margin is a serious majority.
 
2012-11-07 04:31:55 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: Take a moment and imagine this man's sexual tastes.


I hate you. So much.
 
2012-11-07 04:34:41 PM  

Eddie Ate Dynamite: culebra: aug3: Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.

In a sense he's correct, but the problem is that Obama has done a brilliant job of taking all of the good conservative ideas and making them his own. There's no room in that territory for Republicans except through the compromise they are so unwilling to even consider.

If one were so inclined they might call that a pretty strong political strategy on Obama's part.

Let me preface this by saying I'm glad Obama won. Really really glad. However I'm still pretty worried (concerned, if you will) about the road our political machine is going down.

Our two party system is already pretty slim for choices in my opinion, but when one of those parties is cartoon villain evil and batshiat crazy at the same time then obviously you're left with only one choice. As the GOP sheds its less evil, more sane and centrist members they're picked up by the only viable party still standing. As a result that party tends to move to the right (formerly towards the center, but I'd say that line was crossed a while ago).

This leaves the GOP nothing but their extremist territory, and effectively makes ours a one party system. I believe the only reason the GOP even manages to get votes is the ridiculously effective poison they're allowed to whisper into the ears of anyone they can get to listen. You need an educated and informed electorate for this shiat to work!

Anyways, so yeah...one party system. Without a viable opposition what's to keep the Democratic party on the rails? Perhaps sanity, good intentions, and intellect will self-regulate the party, but I'd hate to bet on it over a long period of time.

I suppose the path of least resistance might be for the D's ranks to continue to swell, the R's continue to shrink, and at a certain point the balloon pops and some "new" parties become viable when the great schism occurs in the Democratic party.

What do you guys think ...


I don't think we'll end up with a one-party system. The Democrats might dominate for a while, but the Republicans will remain as a regional party until either they manage to reinvent themselves, or they get replaced just as they replaced the Whigs in 1856. I could see the sane Republicans and the "Blue Dog" Democrats either forming their own party together or bolstering the Libertarians, or perhaps an ascendant Green party on the Left as the Republicans are pushed out by the Democrats on the Right.
 
2012-11-07 04:35:18 PM  

Headso: skullkrusher: Headso: skullkrusher: some sort of professional courtesy where you don't call each other out? Man, people have no sense of community anymore these days

that's nothing anyone remember that doctormojophd guy? that dude had like files on people

yeah, where'd he go?

prob got banned for trolling other farkers, that dude was relentless


I loved that guy. Remember him mainly bc he reminded me of a similar guy on a local site who was similar (who worked researching infant development because most adults sucked. Man, he was fun to drink with til he moved out of town)
 
2012-11-07 04:36:15 PM  
Krauthammer, Dick Morris, David Brooks, and their ilk aren't paid to be CORRECT
 
2012-11-07 04:36:45 PM  
"MFL" on 10/29:

Romney will win the popular vote by 3 to 5 points. 51 to 47...or something like that.

Romney will win Ohio by 2
Romney will win IA by 2
Obama will lose WI by 3. (this one is 100% on Him)
Romney will win CO by 3
Romney will win VA by 5
Romney will win FL by 6
Romney will win NH by >1
Obama will win NV by 1000 dead people and 5000 illegals.
Obama will win Minn by 2
Obama will win PA by 1
Obama will win MI by 3

False hope is more abundant in these threads than crabs in a frat house. Obama's goose is on the counter getting stuffing shoved up it's anus and oven is preheated.

Suck it libs. Suck it hard.


What an utter tool.
When I look up "sucking hard" in the dictionary, your picture should absolutely be there.
 
2012-11-07 04:38:32 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Eddie Ate Dynamite: culebra: aug3: Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.

In a sense he's correct, but the problem is that Obama has done a brilliant job of taking all of the good conservative ideas and making them his own. There's no room in that territory for Republicans except through the compromise they are so unwilling to even consider.

If one were so inclined they might call that a pretty strong political strategy on Obama's part.

Let me preface this by saying I'm glad Obama won. Really really glad. However I'm still pretty worried (concerned, if you will) about the road our political machine is going down.

Our two party system is already pretty slim for choices in my opinion, but when one of those parties is cartoon villain evil and batshiat crazy at the same time then obviously you're left with only one choice. As the GOP sheds its less evil, more sane and centrist members they're picked up by the only viable party still standing. As a result that party tends to move to the right (formerly towards the center, but I'd say that line was crossed a while ago).

This leaves the GOP nothing but their extremist territory, and effectively makes ours a one party system. I believe the only reason the GOP even manages to get votes is the ridiculously effective poison they're allowed to whisper into the ears of anyone they can get to listen. You need an educated and informed electorate for this shiat to work!

Anyways, so yeah...one party system. Without a viable opposition what's to keep the Democratic party on the rails? Perhaps sanity, good intentions, and intellect will self-regulate the party, but I'd hate to bet on it over a long period of time.

I suppose the path of least resistance might be for the D's ranks to continue to swell, the R's continue to shrink, and at a certain point the balloon pops and some "new" parties become viable when the great schism occurs in the Democratic party.

What do you guys think ...

I don't think we'll end up with a one-party system. The Democrats might dominate for a while, but the Republicans will remain as a regional party until either they manage to reinvent themselves, or they get replaced just as they replaced the Whigs in 1856. I could see the sane Republicans and the "Blue Dog" Democrats either forming their own party together or bolstering the Libertarians, or perhaps an ascendant Green party on the Left as the Republicans are pushed out by the Democrats on the Right.


The party system is too engrained for much to happen for a long time I'm afraid. When we have third parties able to nominate (laughingly non-partisan listed on the ballot) Supreme Court justices here in MI I'll be more convinced it's possible.
 
2012-11-07 04:43:11 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I don't know how the studio-to-studio transmission works, but I'd like to think that Dick sees a full-body shot of Megan in his monitor. She's sitting in her chair, wearing a short skirt, with bare legs and open-toed pumps. Her feet don't quite reach the floor, and she's letting one shoe slooooowly slip down, exposing her smooth arches, until it's just about to fall off, and then she crunches her toes, snapping the shoe back up with a slap against her bare foot. She repeats this over and over. Dick is trying furiously to remember what spin he's putting on the numbers, but oh sweet jesus there she goes again, just another inch and he'd see her whole foot, but no. SNAP. Up goes the shoe again. What was he talking about? Florida. Yeah, that's right, see, only 24% of the precincts are reporting in and oh my god there it goes again, look at those toes, oh how good they'd taste...


Wow. Welcome to my favorites, good sir or madam.
 
2012-11-07 04:47:45 PM  

zerkalo: Krauthammer, Dick Morris, David Brooks, and their ilk aren't paid to be CORRECT


www.veteranstoday.com

But they are paid.
 
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