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(The Daily Caller)   Krauthammer: Obama has 'no mandate and the GOP future is quite bright.' All you really did was feed them after midnight. Good lord, just wait till 2016   ( dailycaller.com) divider line
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2012-11-07 09:15:05 AM  
I can tell that Krauthammer just can't stand Obama for some reason.
 
2012-11-07 09:18:28 AM  
I always thought Charles Krauthammer was an animatronic mannequin.
 
2012-11-07 09:18:38 AM  
I'm just so happy.
 
2012-11-07 09:19:43 AM  
i253.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-07 09:20:27 AM  
Republican Math:
2004: 286 EV with 50.7% of popular vote (Kerry got 48.3%) = Mandate
2012: 300 EV with 50.3% of the popular vote (Romney got 48.1%) ≠ Mandate
Additionally, Gary Johnson got 1% of the vote, which can most likely be attributed to upset right wing voters, and Jill Stein .3% which is lower then Nader in 2008 who had .56% of the vote.
 
2012-11-07 09:20:27 AM  
If by "no mandate" Krautie means "a bigger mandate than Bush" he'd have a point.

Why so sour, Charles?
 
2012-11-07 09:21:05 AM  
Boehner last night basically said the same thing. If the republicans continue to break even further to the right 2014 is going to be a bloodbath and maybe the Tea Party/Evengelicals will finally break off and there can be a real alternative again.
 
2012-11-07 09:22:17 AM  
Denial is the first stage of grieving Charles. It's going to be a long ride.

The electorate is moving to the left and last night was the very last chance for the conservative agenda.
 
2012-11-07 09:22:31 AM  
For what it's worth, Barack Obama is now only the third Democrat in history to win 2 elections with 50%+ of the vote - FDR and Jackson.
 
2012-11-07 09:24:57 AM  
The Republicans are in control of the House, probably a little bit stronger. They are not going to budge. There's no way after holding out on Obama for two years they're going to cave in

Although I think the word "compromise" would be a better choice, I have no doubt he's right about this. They are now going to dig their heels in even harder.
 
2012-11-07 09:26:02 AM  

DamnYankees: For what it's worth, Barack Obama is now only the third Democrat in history to win 2 elections with 50%+ of the vote - FDR and Jackson.


if I was German or Native American I would be worried
 
2012-11-07 09:26:51 AM  
'Quite bright,' eh? I think y'all need to do something about your 'minority problem' before 2050 rolls around. Unless you want to lose the electoral votes in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, and Florida, that is.
 
2012-11-07 09:27:10 AM  

Sybarite: The Republicans are in control of the House, probably a little bit stronger. They are not going to budge. There's no way after holding out on Obama for two years they're going to cave in

Although I think the word "compromise" would be a better choice, I have no doubt he's right about this. They are now going to dig their heels in even harder.


I think this is going to be genuinely interesting. Their strategic decision to block Obama on everything COMPLETELY FAILED. Mitch McConnel should step down as leader, since he completely failed in his goal. There's just no reason for them to keep this up now.

I guess we'll find out now if this was merely a strategic play by them to keep Obama to one term, or whether its a sincere ideological belief.
 
2012-11-07 09:28:03 AM  

DamnYankees: Sybarite: The Republicans are in control of the House, probably a little bit stronger. They are not going to budge. There's no way after holding out on Obama for two years they're going to cave in

Although I think the word "compromise" would be a better choice, I have no doubt he's right about this. They are now going to dig their heels in even harder.

I think this is going to be genuinely interesting. Their strategic decision to block Obama on everything COMPLETELY FAILED. Mitch McConnel should step down as leader, since he completely failed in his goal. There's just no reason for them to keep this up now.

I guess we'll find out now if this was merely a strategic play by them to keep Obama to one term, or whether its a sincere ideological belief.


I'm thinking it's going to be the latter.
 
2012-11-07 09:29:38 AM  
This Krauthammer guy seems smart. Let's take a look at his track record

"KRAUTHAMMER: People are talking about how difficult and narrow the Romney path is. I think it's not. You've got to start with one thing -- he's going to keep a solid South. I have every confidence he's going to win in Florida, in North Carolina and Virginia.

(1) He can do Ohio plus New Hampshire. New Hampshire's a dead heat. Ohio's extremely close, but the intensity is with Romney and also Republicans tend to be somewhat undercounted in the polls anyway. If Romney does that, he wins.

(2) If not Ohio, he can do it through Colorado plus Wisconsin. Colorado's a dead heat; Wisconsin, he's behind. But, Wisconsin has been solidly Republican for the last two years, through the midterm elections and three recalls. So they're organized and they've got a lot intensity, and they have the favorite son, Paul Ryan."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/11/05/krauthammer_gives_r o mney_three_paths_to_victory_in_electoral_prediction.html
 
2012-11-07 09:30:26 AM  
George W. Bush called his 286 electoral vote win over John Kerry in 2004 a mandate. Obama got 303. - @JeffHarbert

Embedding is wonky this AM.
 
2012-11-07 09:35:56 AM  

Jackson Herring: I can tell that Krauthammer just can't stand Obama for some reason.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-07 09:36:32 AM  
www.bonappetit.comstatic.ddmcdn.com

When you put cabbage hammer into google, one of the first few results is "Human experimentation in North Korea".

Now, I'm not saying this Krauthammer force-feeds women poisoned cabbage, and saps men with hammers so that doctors can practice surgery on them while they are unconscious. But I am saying there's no proof that he doesn't do this either.
 
2012-11-07 09:39:45 AM  

DamnYankees: Their strategic decision to block Obama on everything COMPLETELY FAILED. Mitch McConnel should step down as leader, since he completely failed in his goal. There's just no reason for them to keep this up now.


I completely agree. He should resign now for the good of his party and country. I like this so much I'm FB'ing it. I hope it spreads.
 
2012-11-07 09:42:27 AM  

RexTalionis: I always thought Charles Krauthammer was an animatronic mannequin.


I always thought he was an animatronic mannequin of Ronald Reagan.
"Well.....there you go again"
 
2012-11-07 09:55:06 AM  
The comments after that article are an amazing collection of both herp and derp.
 
2012-11-07 09:58:55 AM  
Clearly, we've gone past herp and derp into the mythical land where gerp resides.

We're gonna need mops. Lots of mops.
 
2012-11-07 10:10:49 AM  
No mandate my ass. He promised 1,000 Years of Darkness, and that's just what I expect.
 
2012-11-07 10:14:42 AM  

St_Francis_P: No mandate my ass. He promised 1,000 Years of Darkness, and that's just what I expect.


Well, you'd think those who like coal power would be all about the 1000 years of darkness.
 
2012-11-07 10:18:27 AM  
F*ck Charles Saurkraut.

He's like "faces of meth" featuring the real estate dad from Modern Family.
 
2012-11-07 10:21:27 AM  
Really, is there anyone who didn't think they would veer even further right?
 
2012-11-07 10:21:42 AM  

Cythraul: 'Quite bright,' eh? I think y'all need to do something about your 'minority problem' before 2050 rolls around. Unless you want to lose the electoral votes in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, and Florida, that is.


Chuck Todd spoke to this very point this morning. The demographic changes are already (according to him) turning Georgia, Texas and Arizona slightly more purple (not enough to flip as yet, obviously), and unless the GOP finds a way to reach out to the Hispanic community, they are royally screwed.

And I'm perfectly okay with that.
 
2012-11-07 10:22:26 AM  
I think the real story here is that Obama won, but he's got no mandate," Krauthammer declared. "He won by going very small, very negative, and we are left as a country exactly where we started, but a little bit worse off.

if by 'negative' you mean 'talking about Romney's actual record' then yeah - it was 'negative'. Face it guys, you lost because Romney was such a horrific candidate. move back to the center, tell the religious nutballs to STFU and stop trying to put sociopaths into the white house and then maybe you can salvage something out of the wreckage.
 
2012-11-07 10:32:14 AM  

Weaver95: I think the real story here is that Obama won, but he's got no mandate," Krauthammer declared. "He won by going very small, very negative, and we are left as a country exactly where we started, but a little bit worse off.

if by 'negative' you mean 'talking about Romney's actual record' then yeah - it was 'negative'. Face it guys, you lost because Romney was such a horrific candidate. move back to the center, tell the religious nutballs to STFU and stop trying to put sociopaths into the white house and then maybe you can salvage something out of the wreckage.


Not going to happen. They are the rightful heirs to Gods Kingdom the USofA and they have sacrificed too much and compromised their own integrity too far to turn back now. Obviously Jesus is displeased because they did not do enough to put women in their place.
 
2012-11-07 10:32:27 AM  

zedster: Republican Math:
2004: 286 EV with 50.7% of popular vote (Kerry got 48.3%) = Mandate
2012: 300 EV with 50.3% of the popular vote (Romney got 48.1%) ≠ Mandate


That.
 
2012-11-07 10:33:25 AM  
Why do we pay attention to these people? They are never right on anything.
 
2012-11-07 10:36:59 AM  

quickdraw:
Not going to happen. They are the rightful heirs to Gods Kingdom the USofA and they have sacrificed too much and compromised their own integrity too far to turn back now. Obviously Jesus is displeased because they did not do enough to put women in their place.


i'm scanning channels now, and skimming various GOP blogs and whatnot. trying to get a feel for what the Republican derp is going to be today.
 
2012-11-07 10:37:01 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Why do we pay attention to these people? They are never right on anything.


That's the thing. You have to kind of think that Republicans are waking up this morning, looking at Nate Silver, and then looking at Fox News and other right wing talking heads, and they might start realizing that facts can not be trumped by feelings. And, maybe they are starting to see the hazards of living in a bubble of information that pushes a dying ideology over a hard and easily provable reality.
 
2012-11-07 10:37:55 AM  

Weaver95: I think the real story here is that Obama won, but he's got no mandate," Krauthammer declared. "He won by going very small, very negative, and we are left as a country exactly where we started, but a little bit worse off.

if by 'negative' you mean 'talking about Romney's actual record' then yeah - it was 'negative'. Face it guys, you lost because Romney was such a horrific candidate. move back to the center, tell the religious nutballs to STFU and stop trying to put sociopaths into the white house and then maybe you can salvage something out of the wreckage.


I'd be surprised if they learned their lessons from ts elections. Getting pasted this badly will make them think they haven't been conservative enough.
 
2012-11-07 10:38:08 AM  

Vodka Zombie: Nadie_AZ: Why do we pay attention to these people? They are never right on anything.

That's the thing. You have to kind of think that Republicans are waking up this morning, looking at Nate Silver, and then looking at Fox News and other right wing talking heads, and they might start realizing that facts can not be trumped by feelings. And, maybe they are starting to see the hazards of living in a bubble of information that pushes a dying ideology over a hard and easily provable reality.


Or they'll blame it all on a conspiracy, assume they were actually right all along, and continue doing the same things they've been doing for the past decade.
 
2012-11-07 10:38:44 AM  

Weaver95: quickdraw:
Not going to happen. They are the rightful heirs to Gods Kingdom the USofA and they have sacrificed too much and compromised their own integrity too far to turn back now. Obviously Jesus is displeased because they did not do enough to put women in their place.

i'm scanning channels now, and skimming various GOP blogs and whatnot. trying to get a feel for what the Republican derp is going to be today.


Your brain healthy enough that you'll be listening to Rush Limbaugh's on air aneurysm?
 
2012-11-07 10:42:13 AM  

Weaver95: Vodka Zombie: Nadie_AZ: Why do we pay attention to these people? They are never right on anything.

That's the thing. You have to kind of think that Republicans are waking up this morning, looking at Nate Silver, and then looking at Fox News and other right wing talking heads, and they might start realizing that facts can not be trumped by feelings. And, maybe they are starting to see the hazards of living in a bubble of information that pushes a dying ideology over a hard and easily provable reality.

Or they'll blame it all on a conspiracy, assume they were actually right all along, and continue doing the same things they've been doing for the past decade.


Yeah. There is that.

/You get your coffee yet, by the way?
 
2012-11-07 10:42:30 AM  
I hate saying this, but Obama has a mandate. The GOP was soundly defeated. In every key race, we lost. We lost Virginia and Ohio. We might lose Florida. Scott Brown lost in Mass. Mourdock and Akin soundly defeated. Kaine over Allen. It was a thumping.
 
2012-11-07 10:43:02 AM  

RexTalionis: I always thought Charles Krauthammer was an animatronic mannequin.


I think the stick up his ass contributes to that image

/what a tool
 
2012-11-07 10:44:53 AM  

SlothB77: I hate saying this, but Obama has a mandate. The GOP was soundly defeated. In every key race, we lost. We lost Virginia and Ohio. We might lose Florida. Scott Brown lost in Mass. Mourdock and Akin soundly defeated. Kaine over Allen. It was a thumping.


Thank you! You now are farkied as "graceful in defeat."
 
2012-11-07 10:45:37 AM  

SlothB77: I hate saying this, but Obama has a mandate. The GOP was soundly defeated. In every key race, we lost. We lost Virginia and Ohio. We might lose Florida. Scott Brown lost in Mass. Mourdock and Akin soundly defeated. Kaine over Allen. It was a thumping.


I can at least admire your ability to see the facts and facts and accept them. There is unsurprisingly little of the GOP blogosphere doing the same thing this morning.
 
2012-11-07 10:48:24 AM  

Weaver95: quickdraw:
Not going to happen. They are the rightful heirs to Gods Kingdom the USofA and they have sacrificed too much and compromised their own integrity too far to turn back now. Obviously Jesus is displeased because they did not do enough to put women in their place.

i'm scanning channels now, and skimming various GOP blogs and whatnot. trying to get a feel for what the Republican derp is going to be today.


Oh oh lemme guess! "No mandate for Obama," "Under-informed women voters," "Romney too moderate," "Chris Christie is teh debbil."
 
2012-11-07 10:48:55 AM  
How cute. Krauthammer still thinks he's relevant.

Its reckoning time for all your lies and spin. Your career is as dead as your legs.
 
2012-11-07 10:51:57 AM  

Weaver95: quickdraw:
Not going to happen. They are the rightful heirs to Gods Kingdom the USofA and they have sacrificed too much and compromised their own integrity too far to turn back now. Obviously Jesus is displeased because they did not do enough to put women in their place.

i'm scanning channels now, and skimming various GOP blogs and whatnot. trying to get a feel for what the Republican derp is going to be today.


Keep us informed on Limbaugh. I can't wait for that bout of verbal diarrhea.
 
2012-11-07 10:52:17 AM  

Weaver95: quickdraw:
Not going to happen. They are the rightful heirs to Gods Kingdom the USofA and they have sacrificed too much and compromised their own integrity too far to turn back now. Obviously Jesus is displeased because they did not do enough to put women in their place.

i'm scanning channels now, and skimming various GOP blogs and whatnot. trying to get a feel for what the Republican derp is going to be today.


I am actually looking forward to the RL show. Today might be the day he strokes out or has a massive heart attack. I wanna catch that piece of history.
 
2012-11-07 10:53:35 AM  
Spending the morning wishing I would have gone to med school to be a gastroenterologist.
With all the butthurt going on today there would be a run on colonoscopies and prostate exams
 
2012-11-07 10:55:58 AM  

Mentat: Weaver95: quickdraw:
Not going to happen. They are the rightful heirs to Gods Kingdom the USofA and they have sacrificed too much and compromised their own integrity too far to turn back now. Obviously Jesus is displeased because they did not do enough to put women in their place.

i'm scanning channels now, and skimming various GOP blogs and whatnot. trying to get a feel for what the Republican derp is going to be today.

Keep us informed on Limbaugh. I can't wait for that bout of verbal diarrhea.


@weaverxp is my twitter feed.

FYI
 
2012-11-07 10:58:04 AM  

quickdraw: Weaver95: quickdraw:
Not going to happen. They are the rightful heirs to Gods Kingdom the USofA and they have sacrificed too much and compromised their own integrity too far to turn back now. Obviously Jesus is displeased because they did not do enough to put women in their place.

i'm scanning channels now, and skimming various GOP blogs and whatnot. trying to get a feel for what the Republican derp is going to be today.

Oh oh lemme guess! "No mandate for Obama," "Under-informed women voters," "Romney too moderate," "Chris Christie is teh debbil."


so far, yes. plus Fox News chose to go with a mocking tone on cannabis reform. I think they're getting ultra twitchy over various results on gay marriage.

the religious right has to be tearing their gotdamn hair out today - not only are people voting to legalize pot but they're also stepping up and signing off on gay marriage. authoritarians all over are gonna scream bloody murder all week.
 
2012-11-07 11:04:20 AM  

Weaver95: authoritarians all over are gonna scream bloody murder all week.


I must admit - this pleases me greatly.
 
2012-11-07 11:08:13 AM  

Weaver95: the religious right has to be tearing their gotdamn hair out today - not only are people voting to legalize pot but they're also stepping up and signing off on gay marriage. authoritarians all over are gonna scream bloody murder all week.


El Norte will bring the ruin of Deep South. And I am exceedingly happy about that.
 
2012-11-07 11:17:48 AM  

quickdraw: Weaver95: authoritarians all over are gonna scream bloody murder all week.

I must admit - this pleases me greatly.


lets see how Limbaugh and the other major GOP pundits call it today. He might say something classy and low key! hey, it could happen.
 
2012-11-07 11:20:43 AM  
Weaver95: quickdraw: Weaver95: authoritarians all over are gonna scream bloody murder all week.

I must admit - this pleases me greatly.

lets see how Limbaugh and the other major GOP pundits call it today. He might say something classy and low key! hey, it could happen.


*blink*

Who are you and what have you done with Weaver95?
 
2012-11-07 11:31:24 AM  
Yeah, he won't be able to get much done with the idiots in the House playing as if they were grown ups. But having him in place to stop those people in the House who think 1875 was America's best year is exactly where we need Obama. Senate and Obama veto over the unsophisticated, reactionary House might not be the ideal, but it is much better than the nutters in control.
 
2012-11-07 11:45:59 AM  
Don't expect the GOP for a second to recognize that the voters picked the Democrats. They're going to go further to the right and become even more intransigent if they can.

There will be no movement to end the Bush tax cuts for the rich so they will expire for everyone. The fiscal cliff will end with the automatic cuts. And we still have a farm bill that will never get passed, Medicare payments to doctors which will never get passed and we hit a deficit ceiling in March.

The GOP is going to block every single one of those, mark my words.
 
2012-11-07 11:51:03 AM  

Weaver95: @weaverxp is my twitter feed.


I'm waiting on WeaverVista
 
2012-11-07 11:53:45 AM  

cmunic8r99: Weaver95: @weaverxp is my twitter feed.

I'm waiting on WeaverVista


Stay away from Weaver8

/even less user friendly
 
2012-11-07 11:54:41 AM  

vernonFL: How cute. Krauthammer still thinks he's relevant.

Its reckoning time for all your lies and spin. Your career is as dead as your legs.


Krauthammer is one of the most revered minds in the entire conservative movement. NRO runs a weekly column called "Krauthammer's Take" where he essentially lays the groundwork for that week's GOP talking points. He is one of the main authors of the "official narrative." He's probably the second-most powerful non-politician in the entire GOP behind Rush Limbaugh. He's not going anywhere.

He's a detestable human being and a liar, of course, and he's driving the GOP off a cliff, but he's not going anywhere.
 
2012-11-07 11:55:33 AM  

GAT_00: and we hit a deficit ceiling in March


More like December.
 
2012-11-07 11:56:32 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: cmunic8r99: Weaver95: @weaverxp is my twitter feed.

I'm waiting on WeaverVista

Stay away from Weaver8

/even less user friendly


but do you have to manually add drivers to it like Weavix?
 
2012-11-07 11:58:21 AM  
Obama has no mandate => the Republicans must have a mandate => America is saved after all
QED
 
2012-11-07 11:58:45 AM  

cmunic8r99: MaudlinMutantMollusk: cmunic8r99: Weaver95: @weaverxp is my twitter feed.

I'm waiting on WeaverVista

Stay away from Weaver8

/even less user friendly

but do you have to manually add drivers to it like Weavix?


for some reason I feel like I need to take a shower....
 
2012-11-07 12:01:48 PM  

cmunic8r99: GAT_00: and we hit a deficit ceiling in March

More like December.


I think March assumes the accounting tricks happen again.
 
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2012-11-07 12:12:42 PM  

Cythraul: 'Quite bright,' eh? I think y'all need to do something about your 'minority problem' before 2050 rolls around. Unless you want to lose the electoral votes in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, and Florida, that is.


Well, they needed to do something about it before 2012 rolled around.
 
2012-11-07 12:45:38 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: cmunic8r99: Weaver95: @weaverxp is my twitter feed.

I'm waiting on WeaverVista

Stay away from Weaver8

/even less user friendly


Anyone remember WeaverNT?

It was nothing but one massive blue weave of death.
 
2012-11-07 12:46:53 PM  
Anyone who still listens to the rightwing media machine after yesterday is a f*cking fool.

imageshack.us

Look at how accurate they were. How do you like THOSE statistics?
 
2012-11-07 12:50:25 PM  
Krauthammer wouldn't know a bright future if it bit him in the legs.
 
2012-11-07 12:51:09 PM  

GAT_00: Don't expect the GOP for a second to recognize that the voters picked the Democrats. They're going to go further to the right and become even more intransigent if they can.

There will be no movement to end the Bush tax cuts for the rich so they will expire for everyone. The fiscal cliff will end with the automatic cuts. And we still have a farm bill that will never get passed, Medicare payments to doctors which will never get passed and we hit a deficit ceiling in March.

The GOP is going to block every single one of those, mark my words.


If the tax cuts expire and sequestration goes in place, we may not hit the debt ceiling.
 
2012-11-07 12:51:17 PM  
Sorry GOP, but the more old white geezers that die, the more you fade into irrelevence.

When you were younger, issues like gay rights and civil rights were about "us not giving them more rights"

Today, young people grow up knowing gays. They grow up knowing minorities. So when you try to do the same conservative nonsense, it becomes "they are trying to take rights from us.

The sooner you realize the difference, the better.
 
2012-11-07 12:54:15 PM  

CPennypacker: Sorry GOP, but the more old white geezers that die, the more you fade into irrelevence.

When you were younger, issues like gay rights and civil rights were about "us not giving them more rights"

Today, young people grow up knowing gays. They grow up knowing minorities. So when you try to do the same conservative nonsense, it becomes "they are trying to take rights from us.

The sooner you realize the difference, the better.


They will never realize it. They will, as you stated, die off and fade into irrelevance.
 
2012-11-07 12:55:16 PM  
www.pixlbit.com
 
2012-11-07 12:55:43 PM  
Remember, when you lose there's no reason to stop and question how you might have done better. Instead, blame everyone around you and pretend that there's nothing wrong.
 
2012-11-07 12:55:57 PM  
Was hearing that a lot last night; that Obama has no mandate. He won in a landslide. If it was a Republican that won they would be pounding home the point they had a mandate. If I was Obama I'd be teabagging the GOP right now. They have no chance of fighting back against him until 2015 or it'll harm they politically. Seriously, they can't. He doesn't have to worry about an election, they do. I fully expect that he'll be very aggressive for at least the next two years.
 
2012-11-07 12:56:47 PM  

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I love this so much
 
2012-11-07 12:56:47 PM  
Rush Limblah just grew another anal fissure last night.
 
2012-11-07 12:57:19 PM  

CPennypacker: Sorry GOP, but the more old white geezers that die, the more you fade into irrelevence.

When you were younger, issues like gay rights and civil rights were about "us not giving them more rights"

Today, young people grow up knowing gays. They grow up knowing minorities. So when you try to do the same conservative nonsense, it becomes "they are trying to take rights from us.

The sooner you realize the difference, the better.


Same is true with women too.
 
2012-11-07 12:58:14 PM  
Republicans - listen to what you sound like! This isn't helping.
 
2012-11-07 12:58:38 PM  

DamnYankees: For what it's worth, Barack Obama is now only the third Democrat in history to win 2 elections with 50%+ of the vote - FDR and Jackson.


Obama is a DINO, and wouldn't even come close to being nominated as a Democrat in either FDR's or Jackson's time.

/just sayin'
 
2012-11-07 12:59:06 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Who are you and what have you done with Weaver95?


Welcome to the party, pal!
 
2012-11-07 12:59:22 PM  
i78.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-07 12:59:28 PM  
The last time any Republican got as many electoral votes as Obama has TWICE was in 1988.

It has been 24 years!

Obama has MORE MANDATE than Dubya ever had. Suck it GOP! You farking losers.
 
2012-11-07 12:59:31 PM  

tnpir: Cythraul: 'Quite bright,' eh? I think y'all need to do something about your 'minority problem' before 2050 rolls around. Unless you want to lose the electoral votes in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, and Florida, that is.

Chuck Todd spoke to this very point this morning. The demographic changes are already (according to him) turning Georgia, Texas and Arizona slightly more purple (not enough to flip as yet, obviously), and unless the GOP finds a way to reach out to the Hispanic community, they are royally screwed.

And I'm perfectly okay with that.


You know, whoever gets the Dem nod in 2016 would do well to run a GOTV campaign in the more brown areas of Texas and Arizona. I'm not saying they can flip either state, but if they can push them in a more competitive direction, and get more Hispanics in those areas comfortable with voting, we could see some serious shiat go down.
 
2012-11-07 12:59:50 PM  
No mandate? Even for Chuck, that's a stretch. Even the most optimistic of us libs thought Obama would lose the popular vote.
 
2012-11-07 01:00:01 PM  

quatchi: If by "no mandate" Krautie means "a bigger mandate than Bush" he'd have a point.

Why so sour, Charles Kraut?


Was this what you were going for?
 
2012-11-07 01:00:12 PM  
It's going to be funny watching a democrat get 430+ electoral votes in 20 years or so
 
2012-11-07 01:00:39 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Clearly, we've gone past herp and derp into the mythical land where gerp resides.

We're gonna need mops. Lots of mops.


I thought that gerp was just a myth. It's kinda exciting to think that it might be real.
 
2012-11-07 01:01:00 PM  
i159.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-07 01:02:37 PM  
Hey, Chuck
i1091.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-07 01:03:05 PM  
I can get enterainment from almost anyone on Fox, but I cannot listen to Krauthammer speak. That Imperial glare, that blank emotionless stone face, that hoarse croaking voice, and then of course there's the crap he says. He's never entertaining, just mildly nauseating.
 
2012-11-07 01:03:11 PM  
I like how he subtly admits the GOP congress has been obstructing anything "big".
 
Ehh
2012-11-07 01:03:42 PM  
It gave me such a nice, warm fuzzy feeling to see Sourpuss so unhappy last night. I think there's a German word for it.
 
2012-11-07 01:04:11 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-07 01:04:12 PM  

Kibbler: I can get enterainment from almost anyone on Fox, but I cannot listen to Krauthammer speak. That Imperial glare, that blank emotionless stone face, that hoarse croaking voice, and then of course there's the crap he says. He's never entertaining, just mildly nauseating.


He looks the way I picture every evil Stephen King character to be.
 
2012-11-07 01:04:42 PM  
Ugliest person to ever appear on a TV screen. Well, maybe the woman who had her face ripped off by the gorilla was a wee bit worse.

Is there actually a Mrs. Krauthummer out there who sleeps with this ogre?
 
2012-11-07 01:04:47 PM  

zedster: Republican Math:
2004: 286 EV with 50.7% of popular vote (Kerry got 48.3%) = Mandate
2012: 300 EV with 50.3% of the popular vote (Romney got 48.1%) ≠ Mandate
Additionally, Gary Johnson got 1% of the vote, which can most likely be attributed to upset right wing voters, and Jill Stein .3% which is lower then Nader in 2008 who had .56% of the vote.


Here ya go: Krauthammer after 2004 election
 
2012-11-07 01:05:18 PM  
Look at this farking biatch.

i852.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-07 01:06:05 PM  

propasaurus: Really, is there anyone who didn't think they would veer even further right?


I'm counting on it. I want to take back the House.
 
2012-11-07 01:06:05 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Clearly, we've gone past herp and derp into the mythical land where gerp resides.

We're gonna need mops. Lots of mops.


My favorite part of this post was the two minutes I spent wondering how you came up with gerp, was it random or did you go through all the possibilities?

/I went through all the possibilities.
//nerp
 
2012-11-07 01:06:16 PM  
My ultra-conservative friend came in saying he isn't listening to the talking heads anymore. Krauthummer is one of them

He also said that CNN's coverage was better than Faux's.
 
2012-11-07 01:06:29 PM  

HeartBurnKid: tnpir: Cythraul: 'Quite bright,' eh? I think y'all need to do something about your 'minority problem' before 2050 rolls around. Unless you want to lose the electoral votes in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, and Florida, that is.

Chuck Todd spoke to this very point this morning. The demographic changes are already (according to him) turning Georgia, Texas and Arizona slightly more purple (not enough to flip as yet, obviously), and unless the GOP finds a way to reach out to the Hispanic community, they are royally screwed.

And I'm perfectly okay with that.

You know, whoever gets the Dem nod in 2016 would do well to run a GOTV campaign in the more brown areas of Texas and Arizona. I'm not saying they can flip either state, but if they can push them in a more competitive direction, and get more Hispanics in those areas comfortable with voting, we could see some serious shiat go down.


The more time the GOP nominee spends shoring up Texas and Arizona, the less time they have to campaign in Ohio and Florida.
 
2012-11-07 01:06:32 PM  

Jackson Herring: I can tell that Krauthammer just can't stand Obama for some reason.


content9.flixster.com

It's funny because he's paralyzed and can't stand!

/SHUTUP RAPELISBERGER!!!
 
2012-11-07 01:06:43 PM  
Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.
 
2012-11-07 01:06:50 PM  

Sybarite: The Republicans are in control of the House, probably a little bit stronger. They are not going to budge. There's no way after holding out on Obama for two years they're going to cave in

Although I think the word "compromise" would be a better choice, I have no doubt he's right about this. They are now going to dig their heels in even harder.


Which is going to be interesting, as all Obama has to do is *nothing*, and the Bush tax cuts expire - not to mention the Defense sequestration
 
2012-11-07 01:07:37 PM  

snowshovel: DamnYankees: For what it's worth, Barack Obama is now only the third Democrat in history to win 2 elections with 50%+ of the vote - FDR and Jackson.

Obama is a DINO, and wouldn't even come close to being nominated as a Democrat in either FDR's or Jackson's time.

/just sayin'


Considering that the Democratic Party was basically the Confederacy back in Jackson's time, I'd say you're definitely right about that one.
 
2012-11-07 01:07:45 PM  

SlothB77: I hate saying this, but Obama has a mandate. The GOP was soundly defeated. In every key race, we lost. We lost Virginia and Ohio. We might lose Florida. Scott Brown lost in Mass. Mourdock and Akin soundly defeated. Kaine over Allen. It was a thumping.


You get +1 for manning up like that.
 
2012-11-07 01:07:58 PM  
They did this in 2008 too; a great night for Democrats = "this wasn't a mandate, America is a center-right country, and what we learned from this election is that Americans want lower taxes and more defense spending."
 
2012-11-07 01:08:52 PM  
Just really not into the whole "learning from our mistakes" thing are they?
 
2012-11-07 01:08:58 PM  
Where's that Dick Morris quote about landslides versus squeakers when you need it.
 
2012-11-07 01:09:39 PM  
American's should be up in arms for the bullshiat "horse race" the media sold. It clearly wasn't and statisticians tried their hardest to point out Obama would in by a comfortable margin.

Idiots like Rove and Krauthammer should be kicked off tv for how wrong they were.
 
2012-11-07 01:10:35 PM  

Jaws_Victim: Look at this farking biatch.

[i852.photobucket.com image 425x139]


No thanks, I don't want to turn into stone.
 
2012-11-07 01:10:56 PM  

Jaws_Victim: Look at this farking biatch.

[i852.photobucket.com image 425x139]


Attention whore is such a whore. Way to root for the well being of your fellow Americans, biatch.
 
2012-11-07 01:12:48 PM  
Krauthammer may be one of the worst human beings in the entire country, and the fact that anyone continues to give such a hateful little prick a platform is sad.
 
2012-11-07 01:14:12 PM  

Carth: American's should be up in arms for the bullshiat "horse race" the media sold.


If it motivated people to vote I am OK with it.
 
2012-11-07 01:15:12 PM  
I tuned in to Fox News just long enough to catch his little "as a psychiatrist I'll write anyone who asks a prescription" comment, which tells me he's just planning to spend the next 4 years heavily medicated. I guess he got started on that before writing this article.
 
2012-11-07 01:16:07 PM  

jst3p: Carth: American's should be up in arms for the bullshiat "horse race" the media sold.

If it motivated people to vote I am OK with it.


I'm not. Yes, it motivated people to vote which caused my guy to win, but that's not the media's job. They're supposed to report and fact-check. They didn't do either. Not a goddamn bit.
 
2012-11-07 01:17:19 PM  
Mein Furher! I kan valk!!!
 
2012-11-07 01:17:40 PM  

SlothB77: I hate saying this, but Obama has a mandate. The GOP was soundly defeated. In every key race, we lost. We lost Virginia and Ohio. We might lose Florida. Scott Brown lost in Mass. Mourdock and Akin soundly defeated. Kaine over Allen. It was a thumping.


Legalizing Pot.
Maine/Maryland - Legalizing Gay Marriage
IL - Tammy Duckworth over Joe Walsh (huge Tea Party dude)
WI - Tammy Baldwin (openly gay) over Tommy Thompson (he was a 14 year governor of WI)

It seems pretty clear the country does not want the far right stuff and is starting to swing left.

Kudos to you by the way for the gracious acceptance.
 
2012-11-07 01:17:42 PM  

theteacher: My ultra-conservative friend came in saying he isn't listening to the talking heads anymore. Krauthummer is one of them

He also said that CNN's coverage was better than Faux's.


CNN was surprisingly mostly not suck. If they get rid of Wolf Blitzer it might be watchable.
 
2012-11-07 01:18:01 PM  
Anybody remember in the Old Testament, when Pharaoh was more than happy to free the Jews, but God "hardened his heart" so that he could demonstrate his wrath and power?

I'm not a particularly pious man, but as a scientist, that's my professional conclusion, because it's the only thing that makes any farking sense anymore. These self-righteous bozos are willing to throw this country over a cliff--not to be proven right, but to keep the other guy from being right. There is absolutely no reason for these Republican hard-line tactics from a political perspective. In fact, most of the far right Tea Partiers and rape-lovers were thrown out, and their derp cost them the Presidency.

But they just can't see it. So, I'm going with God, and warning against a storm of wrath of Biblical proportions.

/That, or aliens.
 
2012-11-07 01:18:29 PM  

Zerochance: jst3p: Carth: American's should be up in arms for the bullshiat "horse race" the media sold.

If it motivated people to vote I am OK with it.

I'm not. Yes, it motivated people to vote which caused my guy to win, but that's not the media's job. They're supposed to report and fact-check. They didn't do either. Not a goddamn bit.


They haven't for a very long time, news has been a sham for decades. At least in this case there was a positive byproduct.
 
2012-11-07 01:18:59 PM  

ginandbacon: propasaurus: Really, is there anyone who didn't think they would veer even further right?

I'm counting on it. I want to take back the House.


That will be tougher because of the redistricting damage. I would suggest every farker try to get their state to pass a simplest geometric shape amendment like Iowa has. That would force non partisan redistricting immediately.
 
2012-11-07 01:21:04 PM  

zedster: Additionally, Gary Johnson got 1% of the vote, which can most likely be attributed to upset right wing voters


Obama was fairly safe in PA so I decided my vote would be more useful in promoting third-parties.
 
Ehh
2012-11-07 01:21:38 PM  

Lundah: I tuned in to Fox News just long enough to catch his little "as a psychiatrist I'll write anyone who asks a prescription" comment, which tells me he's just planning to spend the next 4 years heavily medicated. I guess he got started on that before writing this article.


I caught that one too. It seems that drug abuse and illegal scrip writing are OK with Republicans. But Rush and Jeb's daughter already knew that.
 
2012-11-07 01:22:27 PM  
Oh the denial, the wailing, the sobbing, the wringing of hands! The next stage of this will be the republicans blaming each other for their failure... never once thinking that the reason they failed yesterday is that they are out of touch with more than 1/2 of America.
 
2012-11-07 01:22:28 PM  

rcantley: Krauthammer may be one of the worst human beings in the entire country, and the fact that anyone continues to give such a hateful little prick a platform is sad.


Fox News... Not hateful, but number one with hateful people...

/ I noticed today that most of the threads I have been on, my grey ignore comments are very light.
 
2012-11-07 01:23:17 PM  

snowshovel: DamnYankees: For what it's worth, Barack Obama is now only the third Democrat in history to win 2 elections with 50%+ of the vote - FDR and Jackson.

Obama is a DINO, and wouldn't even come close to being nominated as a Democrat in either FDR's or Jackson's time.

/just sayin'


You're pretty ballsy to come slinking in here and lob a turd like that in here. Shouldn't you be out buying guns and ammo?

/CRY MOAR
 
2012-11-07 01:23:19 PM  

dr_blasto: GAT_00: Don't expect the GOP for a second to recognize that the voters picked the Democrats. They're going to go further to the right and become even more intransigent if they can.

There will be no movement to end the Bush tax cuts for the rich so they will expire for everyone. The fiscal cliff will end with the automatic cuts. And we still have a farm bill that will never get passed, Medicare payments to doctors which will never get passed and we hit a deficit ceiling in March.

The GOP is going to block every single one of those, mark my words.

If the tax cuts expire and sequestration goes in place, we may not hit the debt ceiling.


I don't think they'd take care of all of it, especially since the sequestration will crash the economy.
 
MFL
2012-11-07 01:24:19 PM  
Well at least we know for a fact today our fiscal problems are not going to be fixed anytime soon.

light em if you got em.....it's going to be a bumpy ride.
 
2012-11-07 01:24:44 PM  
"And all the soul-searching about what ideology we are going to pursue is going to come from them. And I think it will be a fairly Reaganite and conservative one."

If Reagan were alive and in office today, he would be labeled as a RINO and drummed out of the GOP in disgrace. That seems to be the one thing the modern GOP and Tea Party are missing in this whole equation.
 
2012-11-07 01:25:15 PM  

born_yesterday: I'm not a particularly pious man, but as a scientist, that's my professional conclusion, because it's the only thing that makes any farking sense anymore. These self-righteous bozos are willing to throw this country over a cliff--not to be proven right, but to keep the other guy from being right. There is absolutely no reason for these Republican hard-line tactics from a political perspective. In fact, most of the far right Tea Partiers and rape-lovers were thrown out, and their derp cost them the Presidency.

But they just can't see it. So, I'm going with God, and warning against a storm of wrath of Biblical proportions.


Occam's Razor would lead me to believe that they're just dumb.

When your entire platform is based on faith instead of evidence, you must destroy any contrary evidence.
 
2012-11-07 01:25:20 PM  
None of the presdiential wins of the past twelve years, with the exception of 2008, can be considered a mandate. The thing is, the repubs have redefined the word mandate to mean "We won by the tinest of margins but a win's a win and we will proceed to do exactly what we pleae whatever the American people thinks of it." By that definition, Obama has a mandate.

Message to the repubs: The big question is: what's next? Will you push the government over the fiscal cliff to punish America for voting against you? Or will you come to your senses and pitch in to make things better? Keep in mind that there will be very little in terms of bipartisan offers coming from the Democrats this time around. We tried that and learned our lesson: there's no point in holding out the hand of friendship to someone determined to be your enemy. This time the terms will be more or less dictated by the Democrats with little room for compromise; take it or leave it. The good news is that the Democrats are grown-ups, ready to make painful changes in programs they hold dear and realistic enough to see the necessity of maintaining programs they find distasteful (that is, after all, why we're still in Afghanistan), all in the name of fiscal responsibility and political realism. Can you do the same? Will you? Because frankly, it's going to happen with or without your participation. You can either come to your senses and rejoin normal political culture, or you can further marginalize yourselves and ultimately cease to exist, or, at best, linger on as a local level parody of what a political party looks like.

Now then, it would be nice if you repubs would all shut the fark up for a couple of days. Mommy and Daddy would like to take a little nap and we've had quite enough of your incessant whining. Last time we were too busy saving the country from your incompetence and fiscal malfeasance to deal with your properly but we're done coddling you. If it's a spanking you want, it's a spanking you'll get.

Now go stand in the corner and think about what you did.
 
2012-11-07 01:25:40 PM  
Take a moment and imagine this man's sexual tastes.
 
2012-11-07 01:25:48 PM  

aug3: Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.


among other things, yes.
 
2012-11-07 01:26:13 PM  

quickdraw: SlothB77: I hate saying this, but Obama has a mandate. The GOP was soundly defeated. In every key race, we lost. We lost Virginia and Ohio. We might lose Florida. Scott Brown lost in Mass. Mourdock and Akin soundly defeated. Kaine over Allen. It was a thumping.

Thank you! You now are farkied as "graceful in defeat."


He's now joining my very prestigious "Reasonable Conservative" list. Anytime anyone on that list speaks, I slow down and very carefully consider what they say.
 
2012-11-07 01:27:17 PM  

MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today our fiscal problems are not going to be fixed anytime soon.

light em if you got em.....it's going to be a bumpy ride.


As opposed to a Romney win, which would've made them worse. His only solid policy positions were "Cut taxes, especially on the rich, invade Iran, and never ever touch the defense budget."; the same kind of shiat that skullfarks our economy every time the Republicans have control.
 
2012-11-07 01:27:25 PM  
All my liberal friends tell me they were watching Fox News last night too.

And they said conservatives don't know how to make people laugh!
 
2012-11-07 01:27:38 PM  

aug3: Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.


Yes. They should run on a pro-rape platform.
 
2012-11-07 01:27:52 PM  
Krauthammer is one of the morons who claimed Hurricane Sandy stopped "Mitt-mentum," even though every state poll showed that the race had been stalled for 2 weeks before Sandy hit. He was also still predicting a Mitt win a few days before the electio.

These propagandists have been exposed. Again. Anyone who still listens to them is a f*cking idiot.
 
2012-11-07 01:28:07 PM  

Weaver95: aug3: Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.

among other things, yes.


I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
 
2012-11-07 01:28:25 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: [i159.photobucket.com image 720x428]


I would pay solid gold money to see a fine photo-shop of Krauthammer's head on the outraged Romulan decrying the 2012 election as a faaaake.
 
2012-11-07 01:28:51 PM  

jst3p: Zerochance: jst3p: Carth: American's should be up in arms for the bullshiat "horse race" the media sold.

If it motivated people to vote I am OK with it.

I'm not. Yes, it motivated people to vote which caused my guy to win, but that's not the media's job. They're supposed to report and fact-check. They didn't do either. Not a goddamn bit.

They haven't for a very long time, news has been a sham for decades. At least in this case there was a positive byproduct.


The only problem I have with it is the usage of the word news. I got no beef with what the media wants to do. But I think we all agree, it's not news, it's entertainment. By all means, pretend the race is close even though all facts say otherwise. But then you shouldn't get to call yourself news.
 
2012-11-07 01:29:01 PM  
www.gifreducer.com
 
2012-11-07 01:29:24 PM  

MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today


That, as a mirror of the right wing noise machine, you were completely clueless on how last night would play out.

But welcome back.
 
2012-11-07 01:29:37 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: Take a moment and imagine this man's sexual tastes.


On a scale of 1 to John Wayne Gacy, I'm thinking he's an 8.
 
2012-11-07 01:29:46 PM  

lennavan: SlothB77: I hate saying this, but Obama has a mandate. The GOP was soundly defeated. In every key race, we lost. We lost Virginia and Ohio. We might lose Florida. Scott Brown lost in Mass. Mourdock and Akin soundly defeated. Kaine over Allen. It was a thumping.

Kudos to you by the way for the gracious acceptance.


This. Please know that when I'm practicing schadenfreude, it is not against the reasonable people. Only against the worst.
 
2012-11-07 01:29:53 PM  
Dammit, America. Stop making me care again.

I was so over our abusive relationship, and yet here you are, showing up at my door all clean shaven with flowers. I promised myself I wouldn't take you back again. But you are so damned cute.

Promise me this time you won't hit me again.
 
2012-11-07 01:29:58 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Krauthammer is one of the morons who claimed Hurricane Sandy stopped "Mitt-mentum," even though every state poll showed that the race had been stalled for 2 weeks before Sandy hit.


So God was against the GOP and Romney.
 
2012-11-07 01:30:01 PM  

Dog Welder: "And all the soul-searching about what ideology we are going to pursue is going to come from them. And I think it will be a fairly Reaganite and conservative one."

If Reagan were alive and in office today, he would be labeled as a RINO and drummed out of the GOP in disgrace. That seems to be the one thing the modern GOP and Tea Party are missing in this whole equation.


Today's Reagan equivalent would be Arnold Schwarzenegger. Let that sink in.
 
2012-11-07 01:30:10 PM  

aug3: Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.


That's why they had a primary, right? Their avowed wish and intent was to have THE best chance of beating Obama.
 
2012-11-07 01:30:23 PM  

Nudge: [www.gifreducer.com image 245x160]


Republicans are generally in favor of killing pregnant women and black people...
 
2012-11-07 01:30:28 PM  

MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today our fiscal problems are not going to be fixed anytime soon.

light em if you got em.....it's going to be a bumpy ride.


Literally?
 
2012-11-07 01:30:42 PM  

aug3: Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.


In a sense he's correct, but the problem is that Obama has done a brilliant job of taking all of the good conservative ideas and making them his own. There's no room in that territory for Republicans except through the compromise they are so unwilling to even consider.

If one were so inclined they might call that a pretty strong political strategy on Obama's part.
 
2012-11-07 01:30:46 PM  

Weaver95: Vodka Zombie: Nadie_AZ: Why do we pay attention to these people? They are never right on anything.

That's the thing. You have to kind of think that Republicans are waking up this morning, looking at Nate Silver, and then looking at Fox News and other right wing talking heads, and they might start realizing that facts can not be trumped by feelings. And, maybe they are starting to see the hazards of living in a bubble of information that pushes a dying ideology over a hard and easily provable reality.

Or they'll blame it all on a conspiracy, assume they were actually right all along, and continue doing the same things they've been doing for the past decade.


You just don't seem to understand it. The fact that Obama won is just PROOF that the Republicans agenda is the correct one and it is what the people really want and what this country really needs.

/amidoinitright?
 
2012-11-07 01:31:50 PM  

Jaws_Victim: Look at this farking biatch.

[i852.photobucket.com image 425x139]


Huh. I thought she'd go with "I was right!"

"If you don't run Chris Christie, Romney will be the nominee and we'll lose."
- Ann Coulter

Guess she's just a terrible person.
 
2012-11-07 01:32:06 PM  
Krauthammer is a fun name to say. Krauthammer. Too bad he's such an asshat.
 
2012-11-07 01:32:12 PM  

HeartBurnKid: tnpir: Cythraul: 'Quite bright,' eh? I think y'all need to do something about your 'minority problem' before 2050 rolls around. Unless you want to lose the electoral votes in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, and Florida, that is.

Chuck Todd spoke to this very point this morning. The demographic changes are already (according to him) turning Georgia, Texas and Arizona slightly more purple (not enough to flip as yet, obviously), and unless the GOP finds a way to reach out to the Hispanic community, they are royally screwed.

And I'm perfectly okay with that.

You know, whoever gets the Dem nod in 2016 would do well to run a GOTV campaign in the more brown areas of Texas and Arizona. I'm not saying they can flip either state, but if they can push them in a more competitive direction, and get more Hispanics in those areas comfortable with voting, we could see some serious shiat go down.


At the very, very least get more Democrats elected to the state legislature, and prevent even more gerrymandering tomfoolery.
 
2012-11-07 01:32:26 PM  

Tigger: This Krauthammer guy seems smart. Let's take a look at his track record


Checking to see if there's water in the pool before diving in? Nope.

His opinion on anything matters not to me.
 
2012-11-07 01:32:51 PM  

clambam: The thing is, the repubs have redefined the word mandate to mean "We won by the tinest of margins but a win's a win and we will proceed to do exactly what we pleae whatever the American people thinks of it." By that definition, Obama has a mandate.


I think the word "mandate" is defined most accurately by "we have to do this or we will have political repercussions next election." The country demands a course of action and if its not taken, those holding it up will be held accountable. By that definition, Obama does not have a mandate. John Boehner still holds the House (hostage).

I think it is clear what the country wants. But it is not clear the country is going to hold anyone responsible.
 
2012-11-07 01:33:09 PM  

Zerochance: No mandate? Even for Chuck, that's a stretch. Even the most optimistic of us libs thought Obama would lose the popular vote.


Not me. In Silver we trust.
 
2012-11-07 01:33:35 PM  
As some pundits mentioned last night Obama does have a mandate. He ran on a specific plan, he won. He has a clear mandate to roll back the Bush tax cuts and cut military spending. I would also say he has a mandate on immigration reform.
 
2012-11-07 01:34:03 PM  
Limbaugh keeps hammering home the meme that Obama voters believe in santa claus. or that they're Reavers from firefly. he's starting to drift off message.
 
2012-11-07 01:34:23 PM  

Weaver95: aug3: Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.

among other things, yes.


I am listening today but I don't usually. Does he always talk about Santa Clause this much?
 
2012-11-07 01:34:38 PM  
After months of telling everyone how Romney was sure to win, and that the polls were just rigged, you'd think they could stop lying about what America thinks of Obama.. just for a day.
 
2012-11-07 01:35:41 PM  

Carn: Zerochance: No mandate? Even for Chuck, that's a stretch. Even the most optimistic of us libs thought Obama would lose the popular vote.

Not me. In Silver we trust.


Yeah same here. I predicted Obama would lose the popular vote because I wanted him to, I didn't actually think he would. For the popular vote, my money was on Obama but my hopes were on Romney. My Gore v Bush wound needs GOP tears to help close it.
 
2012-11-07 01:35:44 PM  

clambam: None of the presdiential wins of the past twelve years, with the exception of 2008, can be considered a mandate.


The powers and authority of the President are unrelated to how strongly he won the election. This concept of a "mandate" needed to push a political agenda is ridiculolus.
 
2012-11-07 01:37:57 PM  

Weaver95: Limbaugh keeps hammering home the meme that Obama voters believe in santa claus. or that they're Reavers from firefly. he's starting to drift off message.


Oxy is kicking in.
 
2012-11-07 01:38:12 PM  

Lundah: I tuned in to Fox News just long enough to catch his little "as a psychiatrist I'll write anyone who asks a prescription" comment, which tells me he's just planning to spend the next 4 years heavily medicated. I guess he got started on that before writing this article.


But then the blond responded "As a lawyer, I advise against that". We giggled.
 
2012-11-07 01:39:00 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: [www.bonappetit.com image 484x344][static.ddmcdn.com image 400x378]

When you put cabbage hammer into google, one of the first few results is "Human experimentation in North Korea".

Now, I'm not saying this Krauthammer force-feeds women poisoned cabbage, and saps men with hammers so that doctors can practice surgery on them while they are unconscious. But I am saying there's no proof that he doesn't do this either.


cabbage hammer??
horse battery???
 
2012-11-07 01:39:25 PM  
Just come right out and say it, Chuck. "The President is not legitimate unless rich white men voted for him". You'll feel so much better if you go on the record with it, that ulcer will clear right up.
 
2012-11-07 01:39:28 PM  

Carn: In Silver we trust.


cc: beta_plus
 
2012-11-07 01:42:17 PM  

jst3p: Weaver95: aug3: Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.

among other things, yes.

I am listening today but I don't usually. Does he always talk about Santa Clause this much?


his theme today is that Obama voters (or democrats in general) are weak minded lazy rape happy self mutilating cannibals who are only out for themselves and need to be controlled for their OWN GOOD. of course the rape happy Ayn Rand Christian John Galt Republicans are greedy but it's for Jesus so it's totally cool and stuff. middle class democrats being greedy = bad. GOP christians being greedy = good.
 
2012-11-07 01:43:29 PM  

SlothB77: I hate saying this, but Obama has a mandate. The GOP was soundly defeated. In every key race, we lost. We lost Virginia and Ohio. We might lose Florida. Scott Brown lost in Mass. Mourdock and Akin soundly defeated. Kaine over Allen. It was a thumping.


This sort of stuff makes it difficult to continue to gloat. Stop it! Now I have to go read Trump's Twitter feed! Damn you!!!


/Respek Knuckles!
 
2012-11-07 01:43:49 PM  

Cythraul: 'Quite bright,' eh? I think y'all need to do something about your 'minority problem' before 2050 rolls around. Unless you want to lose the electoral votes in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, and Florida, that is.


Was watching the CNN broadcast(don't get FOX, wish I did for teh lulz) and everyone who was doing the roundtable with Cooper, from Carville, the former Obama strategist to even the blonde GOP hottie pundit all agreed that the Republicans were dead in the water until they realized and did something about the huge gap in the demographic vote. The only person who didn't? The fiftysomething neo-con who just wanted to spout talking points and ignore the fact that only voter group the GOP has a stangelhold on are retired white people. The mid-terms this time around are gonna be fun to watch.
 
2012-11-07 01:44:29 PM  

Jackpot777: All my liberal friends tell me they were watching Fox News last night too.

And they said conservatives don't know how to make people laugh!


We watched about 2/3rd MSNBC and 1/3 Fox News, and CNN only when the other two were both on commercial at same time. There wasn't enough butthurt on Fox and I missed the Rove meltdown. They seemed to generally take it far better than you would expect. It's almost as if they didn't believe their own bullshiat...
 
d23 [BareFark]
2012-11-07 01:44:45 PM  
i306.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-07 01:44:48 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Clearly, we've gone past herp and derp into the mythical land where gerp resides.

We're gonna need mops. Lots of mops.


Funny'd and Favorited.
 
2012-11-07 01:45:13 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Sock Ruh Tease: [www.bonappetit.com image 484x344][static.ddmcdn.com image 400x378]

When you put cabbage hammer into google, one of the first few results is "Human experimentation in North Korea".

Now, I'm not saying this Krauthammer force-feeds women poisoned cabbage, and saps men with hammers so that doctors can practice surgery on them while they are unconscious. But I am saying there's no proof that he doesn't do this either.

cabbage hammer??
horse battery???


i56.photobucket.com
What a couple of Cabbage hammers may look like...
 
2012-11-07 01:47:27 PM  

Carn: Zerochance: No mandate? Even for Chuck, that's a stretch. Even the most optimistic of us libs thought Obama would lose the popular vote.

Not me. In Silver we trust.


I have to admit, I bought into the horse race narrative. During the beginning of the republican primary I thought that Obama would win, not as handily as in '08, but he'd win a clear victory.

Over the past few weeks I really started to believe Romney had a pretty decent shot. I'm pretty surprised to see Obama also carry the popular vote.
 
2012-11-07 01:47:28 PM  

you have pee hands: Krauthammer is a fun name to say. Krauthammer.


Krauthummer projects better.
It should have occurred to me sooner, for all their complaining these are some of the most entitled pr!cks on the planet. They DEMAND absolute agreement with their perspective and permit no back-talk, like it's a royal right. They're the New Loyalists, beholden to the business class instead of blood lines. No wonder America rejected them
 
2012-11-07 01:47:43 PM  
I noticed that, too. Where are all the Derpists today? Out buying guns and ammo?
 
d23 [BareFark]
2012-11-07 01:48:29 PM  

Flappyhead: Cythraul: 'Quite bright,' eh? I think y'all need to do something about your 'minority problem' before 2050 rolls around. Unless you want to lose the electoral votes in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, and Florida, that is.

Was watching the CNN broadcast(don't get FOX, wish I did for teh lulz) and everyone who was doing the roundtable with Cooper, from Carville, the former Obama strategist to even the blonde GOP hottie pundit all agreed that the Republicans were dead in the water until they realized and did something about the huge gap in the demographic vote. The only person who didn't? The fiftysomething neo-con who just wanted to spout talking points and ignore the fact that only voter group the GOP has a stangelhold on are retired white people. The mid-terms this time around are gonna be fun to watch.


www.purplestrategies.com

Alex Castellanos - Corporate Jackass
 
2012-11-07 01:48:52 PM  
MFL

A simple "I was totally wrong about everything again" would have sufficed.
 
2012-11-07 01:48:54 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: Take a moment and imagine this man's sexual tastes.


I imagine they taste like derp. Not the run of the mill kind, mind you. The derp in his world brushes eye brows and combs the nether regions of fanciful fluff. It takes a sociopathic plutocrat to get him hard and, when at last he does, he strokes it with corporate butter and the tears of virgin mothers. After the horrid act, he preens his ween in a slatheringly way so that no man may come against him...wait who were we talking about?
 
2012-11-07 01:48:59 PM  
The best is Dick Morris. He went into last night predicting Romney would win 325 to 213, and he called this potential result a landslide victory. Now he's written his review of the election in what looks like a 332 to 206 result (Obama is ahead in Florida with most of the outstanding vote in Miami-Dade), and he categorizes it as Obama pulling off a squeaker.

Amazing what you will believe when you're getting paid to spout it.
 
2012-11-07 01:49:12 PM  

aug3: Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.


To be fair, they are quite unprincipled.
 
2012-11-07 01:49:50 PM  
Hm. Conservative says House will obstruct Obama's initiatives.

B-b-b-but Obama won't compromise!
 
2012-11-07 01:50:00 PM  

Jaws_Victim: Look at this farking biatch.

[i852.photobucket.com image 425x139]


I thought Beowulf slew Grendel a long time ago.
 
2012-11-07 01:50:38 PM  

Vodka Zombie: That's the thing. You have to kind of think that Republicans are waking up this morning, looking at Nate Silver, and then looking at Fox News and other right wing talking heads, and they might start realizing that facts can not be trumped by feelings.



If they were capable of just such a realization, they would not be republicans in the first place.
 
2012-11-07 01:50:46 PM  

Flappyhead: Cythraul: 'Quite bright,' eh? I think y'all need to do something about your 'minority problem' before 2050 rolls around. Unless you want to lose the electoral votes in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, and Florida, that is.

Was watching the CNN broadcast(don't get FOX, wish I did for teh lulz) and everyone who was doing the roundtable with Cooper, from Carville, the former Obama strategist to even the blonde GOP hottie pundit all agreed that the Republicans were dead in the water until they realized and did something about the huge gap in the demographic vote. The only person who didn't? The fiftysomething neo-con who just wanted to spout talking points and ignore the fact that only voter group the GOP has a stangelhold on are retired white people. The mid-terms this time around are gonna be fun to watch.


This election was a bullet through the heart of "both sides are the same." There was a time when that was more or less true, but we've seen over the past few years that the inmates are running the Republican asylum. I expect a larger than normal midterm turnout because of it. Collectively the sane parts of the country realized that holy shiat, these guys are serious about creating another gilded age, and voter apathy will give it to them.
 
2012-11-07 01:50:53 PM  

d23: Flappyhead: Cythraul: 'Quite bright,' eh? I think y'all need to do something about your 'minority problem' before 2050 rolls around. Unless you want to lose the electoral votes in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, and Florida, that is.

Was watching the CNN broadcast(don't get FOX, wish I did for teh lulz) and everyone who was doing the roundtable with Cooper, from Carville, the former Obama strategist to even the blonde GOP hottie pundit all agreed that the Republicans were dead in the water until they realized and did something about the huge gap in the demographic vote. The only person who didn't? The fiftysomething neo-con who just wanted to spout talking points and ignore the fact that only voter group the GOP has a stangelhold on are retired white people. The mid-terms this time around are gonna be fun to watch.

[www.purplestrategies.com image 443x296]

Alex Castellanos - Corporate Jackass


When they called Florida last night he was pretty humble about it. I thought anyway.
 
2012-11-07 01:51:47 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: I noticed that, too. Where are all the Derpists today? Out buying guns and ammo?


They've popped in here and there. It's all been the usual derp, only turned down a few degrees. They haven't processed what happened yet. They're not exactly known for self-reflection.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2012-11-07 01:52:11 PM  

eddiesocket: aug3: Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.

To be fair, they are quite unprincipled.


The problem is that exactly the opposite is true.

Some people that work in science say that disciplines advance one death at a time. Something like that is happening here. Wedge issues like gay marriage are going to become less affective as time goes by because it's only the oldsters that show it to be a problem. Maybe some true conservatism like we had before big money politics took off in 1980 will come back. It would be nice to get REAL debate and not herpaderp wedge issue talk.
 
2012-11-07 01:52:25 PM  
Mary Matalin was on CNN recently spouting the same damn thing. She was practically yelling at the host and the Democrat guy, that Obama has no mandate, and he's been mean and angry towards Republicans from day 1, and Romney is a gentleman. It was really embarrassing for her.
 
2012-11-07 01:53:53 PM  

Tigger: This Krauthammer guy seems smart. Let's take a look at his track record


Krauthammer is one of many antediluvian neocon pundits who have rotted in place, and whose passing will be mourned by few or none.

These horrific old people really need to be swept into the dustbin of history. Let a new generation of idiot partisan pundits bloom!
 
2012-11-07 01:54:05 PM  

clambam: Keep in mind that there will be very little in terms of bipartisan offers coming from the Democrats this time around.


The wishful thinking needs to stop. The president has made it clear even before his first election that he wants a Grand Bargain. Republicans will eventually stop taking "yes" for an answer and the president will fark over his base and most of the country in a pathetic effort to be a "uniter." It didn't work for Clinton with welfare and it won't work for Obama.

Wanting the Right Wing to love him is his Achille's Heel.
 
2012-11-07 01:54:06 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today

That, as a mirror of the right wing noise machine, you were completely clueless on how last night would play out.

But welcome back.


Misty watercolored memories. Of the way we were...

i301.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-07 01:54:15 PM  

GAT_00: Don't expect the GOP for a second to recognize that the voters picked the Democrats. They're going to go further to the right and become even more intransigent if they can.

There will be no movement to end the Bush tax cuts for the rich so they will expire for everyone. The fiscal cliff will end with the automatic cuts. And we still have a farm bill that will never get passed, Medicare payments to doctors which will never get passed and we hit a deficit ceiling in March.

The GOP is going to block every single one of those, mark my words.


I would think that if they try this they will be slaughtered in the mid-terms.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2012-11-07 01:54:27 PM  

Car_Ramrod: Mary Matalin was on CNN recently spouting the same damn thing. She was practically yelling at the host and the Democrat guy, that Obama has no mandate, and he's been mean and angry towards Republicans from day 1, and Romney is a gentleman. It was really embarrassing for her.


It's more projectionist tripe as well...
 
2012-11-07 01:54:45 PM  
 
2012-11-07 01:55:21 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Jaws_Victim: Look at this farking biatch.

[i852.photobucket.com image 425x139]

Huh. I thought she'd go with "I was right!"

"If you don't run Chris Christie, Romney will be the nominee and we'll lose."
- Ann Coulter

Guess she's just a terrible person.


That's hysterical considering she was talking shiat about Christie on Maher the other night.

"Any way the wind bloooooows..."
 
d23 [BareFark]
2012-11-07 01:55:58 PM  

The Iconoclast: GAT_00: Don't expect the GOP for a second to recognize that the voters picked the Democrats. They're going to go further to the right and become even more intransigent if they can.

There will be no movement to end the Bush tax cuts for the rich so they will expire for everyone. The fiscal cliff will end with the automatic cuts. And we still have a farm bill that will never get passed, Medicare payments to doctors which will never get passed and we hit a deficit ceiling in March.

The GOP is going to block every single one of those, mark my words.

I would think that if they try this they will be slaughtered in the mid-terms.


Their base doesn't reflect on whether their talking points are wrong or not. If they did they wouldn't have accepted the bad arguments to begin with.
 
2012-11-07 01:56:24 PM  

The Iconoclast: GAT_00: Don't expect the GOP for a second to recognize that the voters picked the Democrats. They're going to go further to the right and become even more intransigent if they can.

There will be no movement to end the Bush tax cuts for the rich so they will expire for everyone. The fiscal cliff will end with the automatic cuts. And we still have a farm bill that will never get passed, Medicare payments to doctors which will never get passed and we hit a deficit ceiling in March.

The GOP is going to block every single one of those, mark my words.

I would think that if they try this they will be slaughtered in the mid-terms.


If they knew how to run a political party then they would currently be in charge of the White House and the Senate.

they facefarked themselves with their own dick.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2012-11-07 01:57:18 PM  

Meatwad42: rufus-t-firefly: Jaws_Victim: Look at this farking biatch.

[i852.photobucket.com image 425x139]

Huh. I thought she'd go with "I was right!"

"If you don't run Chris Christie, Romney will be the nominee and we'll lose."
- Ann Coulter

Guess she's just a terrible person.

That's hysterical considering she was talking shiat about Christie on Maher the other night.

"Any way the wind bloooooows..."


Well.. it's a reflection of the major selfishness the people on the extreme feel. She's fine with people suffering as long as it reflects her world view. That's not only a political idiot, that's a bad person too.
 
2012-11-07 01:57:38 PM  

Graffito: Vodka Zombie: Clearly, we've gone past herp and derp into the mythical land where gerp resides.

We're gonna need mops. Lots of mops.

I thought that gerp was just a myth. It's kinda exciting to think that it might be real.


Actually it is very frightening. Gerp can twist a man inside-out. May God help us all...
 
2012-11-07 01:58:01 PM  

Car_Ramrod: he's been mean and angry towards Republicans from day 1


The only possible response to something like this is "Let me call the waaaahmbulance for you."
 
2012-11-07 01:58:53 PM  

Grungehamster: Amazing what you will believe when you're getting paid to spout it.


That is also Krauthammer's problem. He's a cynical asshole, but he's not stupid. He went to Harvard Medical School. He was a Mondale type of conservative (pro-choice, fairly secular in his beliefs) but apparently you can't be on the FOX News payroll unless you're a full-blown Neocon.
 
2012-11-07 01:59:41 PM  

Lundah: I tuned in to Fox News just long enough to catch his little "as a psychiatrist I'll write anyone who asks a prescription" comment, which tells me he's just planning to spend the next 4 years heavily medicated. I guess he got started on that before writing this article.


I saw that and chuckled.

But the best was when the Fox News blonde anchor marched down to their results desk to argue with them about the Ohio results and calling the election for Obama. The cherry on top of that was Karl Rove's pouting.
 
2012-11-07 02:00:21 PM  
Krauthammer is one of the few guys who makes me want to just walk up to him, tip over his wheelchair and yell "BOOTSTRAP MOTHERfarkER" right in his stupid monkey face as he struggles to right himself.
 
2012-11-07 02:00:48 PM  

lennavan: Carn: Zerochance: No mandate? Even for Chuck, that's a stretch. Even the most optimistic of us libs thought Obama would lose the popular vote.

Not me. In Silver we trust.

Yeah same here. I predicted Obama would lose the popular vote because I wanted him to, I didn't actually think he would. For the popular vote, my money was on Obama but my hopes were on Romney. My Gore v Bush wound needs GOP tears to help close it.


I was too scared to call it for Romney and then they'd steal OH and VA and FL. I was also thinking Obama would win FL but I thought that might be a bit bold so I went with 303 so I won't win the prize. I think I was pretty close with my prediction of 1% for potato though.
 
2012-11-07 02:01:14 PM  
So what its going to be Republicans: concede defeat and work with the other side to solve the unprecedented crises looming before us, or ratchet up the DERP to level plaid?

www.3dfx.ch
 
2012-11-07 02:01:24 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Carn: In Silver we trust.

cc: beta_plus


I'm thinking we won't hear from him for a while...
 
2012-11-07 02:01:29 PM  

Weaver95: jst3p: Weaver95: aug3: Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.

among other things, yes.

I am listening today but I don't usually. Does he always talk about Santa Clause this much?

his theme today is that Obama voters (or democrats in general) are weak minded lazy rape happy self mutilating cannibals who are only out for themselves and need to be controlled for their OWN GOOD. of course the rape happy Ayn Rand Christian John Galt Republicans are greedy but it's for Jesus so it's totally cool and stuff. middle class democrats being greedy = bad. GOP christians being greedy = good.


Honesty Weaver thanks for the updates. I used to do a "Hate Radio Day" when I would make myself listen to Rush but I haven't done that in a while. It just got too herp derpy for me. Maybe I'll have a hate radio day today.

On a different note, how can democrats be lazy and rape happy self mutilating cannibals? I imagine that rape is a lot of work.
 
2012-11-07 02:01:49 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: Take a moment and imagine this man's sexual tastes.


I will not, and you can't make me.
 
2012-11-07 02:04:39 PM  

Zerochance: Carn: Zerochance: No mandate? Even for Chuck, that's a stretch. Even the most optimistic of us libs thought Obama would lose the popular vote.

Not me. In Silver we trust.

I have to admit, I bought into the horse race narrative. During the beginning of the republican primary I thought that Obama would win, not as handily as in '08, but he'd win a clear victory.

Over the past few weeks I really started to believe Romney had a pretty decent shot. I'm pretty surprised to see Obama also carry the popular vote.


I can't blame you. I didn't believe it per se, but it did scare the crap out of me and caused me to donate more money and tell anyone I could to go vote.
 
2012-11-07 02:04:59 PM  

Grungehamster: The best is Dick Morris. He went into last night predicting Romney would win 325 to 213, and he called this potential result a landslide victory. Now he's written his review of the election in what looks like a 332 to 206 result (Obama is ahead in Florida with most of the outstanding vote in Miami-Dade), and he categorizes it as Obama pulling off a squeaker.

Amazing what you will believe when you're getting paid to spout it.


Andrew Sullivan has a chronological order of all of Morris' tweets from last night as the poll results come in.
It's pretty hilarious. Reminds me of watching people spin plates on the Johnny Carson show when I was a kid.
 
2012-11-07 02:05:39 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: I noticed that, too. Where are all the Derpists today? Out buying guns and ammo?


We are missing alot of people here today arent we. My screen is noticably missing alot of red farkies.
 
2012-11-07 02:06:54 PM  
I wonder what the cutoff is for a mandate? And if a president falls short of this number, are we all supposed to just ignore him and stall our society for another 4 years? This sounds like the new round of the Republican "NO" strategy. Great repubs, because that worked out so well for you yesterday.
 
2012-11-07 02:06:56 PM  

sammyk: Weaver95: quickdraw:
Not going to happen. They are the rightful heirs to Gods Kingdom the USofA and they have sacrificed too much and compromised their own integrity too far to turn back now. Obviously Jesus is displeased because they did not do enough to put women in their place.

i'm scanning channels now, and skimming various GOP blogs and whatnot. trying to get a feel for what the Republican derp is going to be today.

I am actually looking forward to the RL show. Today might be the day he strokes out or has a massive heart attack. I wanna catch that piece of history.


I think RL is as unkillable as Cheney.
 
2012-11-07 02:07:25 PM  

Drexl's Eye: So what would a real mandate look like? Krauthammer helpfully explained on Fox News Sunday the weekend after President Bush was reelected in 2004:

I think it was a huge issue that the president was weak in his first term. He had less of the power and strength and capital, as he speaks of, than he does today. And now that he's been elected with a large majority, or a significant majority, and with a mandate, I think part of that mandate is to get the right judges, by his likes.

Bush won with 286 electoral votes to John Kerry's 252, and with a 2.4 percent margin in the popular vote. Obama currently has 303 electoral votes to Romney's 206, and he's likely to add to that the 29 votes from Florida, which hasn't been called yet, for a grand total of 332.


Wait, what are you saying?! Krauthammer's some kind of unprincipled hack?! SAY IT AIN'T SO.
 
2012-11-07 02:07:47 PM  
Cheer up, cons. After we're dead, the LDS will probably convert us to having voted for Mittens.
 
2012-11-07 02:08:20 PM  

Weaver95: Limbaugh keeps hammering home the meme that Obama voters believe in santa claus. or that they're Reavers from firefly.


Okay, derp is coming out now.
 
2012-11-07 02:08:27 PM  
It's going to be an ugly 2 years.. 4 years if the house remains in Republican hands after the midterms.
 
2012-11-07 02:08:34 PM  
The Freepers are fun today. This is being used to rally the troops:

"I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of woes and shattered shields, when the age of men comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!" From the movie 'The Return of the King'

Obama is Sauron, I guess, except that when Karl Rove bit off Mitt Romney's finger, he only found a Ring Pop.
 
2012-11-07 02:08:59 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: Nudge: [www.gifreducer.com image 245x160]

Republicans are generally in favor of killing pregnant women and black people...


Don't knock the Ricktatorship.
 
2012-11-07 02:10:28 PM  

Drexl's Eye: So what would a real mandate look like? Krauthammer helpfully explained on Fox News Sunday the weekend after President Bush was reelected in 2004:

I think it was a huge issue that the president was weak in his first term. He had less of the power and strength and capital, as he speaks of, than he does today. And now that he's been elected with a large majority, or a significant majority, and with a mandate, I think part of that mandate is to get the right judges, by his likes.

Bush won with 286 electoral votes to John Kerry's 252, and with a 2.4 percent margin in the popular vote. Obama currently has 303 electoral votes to Romney's 206, and he's likely to add to that the 29 votes from Florida, which hasn't been called yet, for a grand total of 332.


Everyone knew this would happen. Why is anyone surprised.

Here is what I don't expect to see happen again: Obama reach across the aisle and not know he'll get nothing but obstruction. That hurt him during his first 2-3 years in office.
 
2012-11-07 02:11:04 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The Freepers are fun today. This is being used to rally the troops:

"I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of woes and shattered shields, when the age of men comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!" From the movie 'The Return of the King'

Obama is Sauron, I guess, except that when Karl Rove bit off Mitt Romney's finger, he only found a Ring Pop.


I thought all that magic stuff was supposed to be satanic and forbidden to read.
 
2012-11-07 02:12:43 PM  

qorkfiend: Car_Ramrod: he's been mean and angry towards Republicans from day 1

The only possible response to something like this is "Let me call the waaaahmbulance for you."


Her biggest gripe is that he had the audacity to remind the GOP that he won the election. I'm pretty sure that's normal playing from a place of strength in negotiations. I'm kind of pissed the Dem guy didn't come back with McConnell's statement that the GOP's #1 goal was to make him a one-term president.
 
2012-11-07 02:13:32 PM  

Jackpot777: Dusk-You-n-Me: MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today

That, as a mirror of the right wing noise machine, you were completely clueless on how last night would play out.

But welcome back.

Misty watercolored memories. Of the way we were...

[i301.photobucket.com image 750x600]


To SlothB77's defense, he conceded defeat quite graciously, which I felt was a good gesture. Check out his post on this thread at 10:42 AM
 
2012-11-07 02:13:33 PM  
A blog is already compiling the best bits of derp in right-wing blogs. So far here's my favorite:

It's time for the people who make this country work to put up or shut up. It's time to make the deadbeats feel some pain IMHO.

1) Minimize your spending. Take your savings out of the economy and hide it as best as you can.
2) In the same vein, take as much of your economic activity to the black market / cash only market as you can.
3) If you are thinking about closing your business down, go ahead
4) If you are keeping your business running, take a strong look at who you are hiring and firing (ie consider firing minorities and single women)
5) If you are a doctor begin limiting your patients or only take cash payments.
6) If you produce food (farmers) consider reducing your output to drive up prices and help Michelle O. with her fight on fat.
7)Do not associate, coach, elevate, or help in any way those who trend Democrat. This includes charities or even your own family.
8)If you are working hard to try and get ahead. Stop - enjoy your life and family while you still can.
9) Do not associate with liberal bastions such as schools, colleges, and the entertainment industry. Consider homeschooling your kids.
10) Move to a red state and start pushing for secession.
11) Military members near retirement should retire; make the Democrats fight the next war.

 
2012-11-07 02:14:08 PM  

Carn: Dusk-You-n-Me: Carn: In Silver we trust.

cc: beta_plus

I'm thinking we won't hear from him for a while...


Ah, yes, more good news: many trolls will be gone for some time. Granted, they will just switch to another cowardly alt...AGAIN...but its nice to have this Calm, however brief.

Thank you, Grand Summoner Obama.
 
2012-11-07 02:14:17 PM  

Cythraul: DamnYankees: Sybarite: The Republicans are in control of the House, probably a little bit stronger. They are not going to budge. There's no way after holding out on Obama for two years they're going to cave in

Although I think the word "compromise" would be a better choice, I have no doubt he's right about this. They are now going to dig their heels in even harder.

I think this is going to be genuinely interesting. Their strategic decision to block Obama on everything COMPLETELY FAILED. Mitch McConnel should step down as leader, since he completely failed in his goal. There's just no reason for them to keep this up now.

I guess we'll find out now if this was merely a strategic play by them to keep Obama to one term, or whether its a sincere ideological belief.

I'm thinking it's going to be the latter.


Yeah... the only thing the GOP has been consistent about in the last 2-4 years is learning the wrong lessons. The only time they aren't hypocrites is when the opinion is reprehensible. It's why they went from "abortion's wrong" to "rape babies are a gift from god." And it is why they will turn the obstruction up to ever more unbelievable levels until somebody with half a brain and a modicum of sanity finds the reigns.
 
2012-11-07 02:14:18 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Drexl's Eye: So what would a real mandate look like? Krauthammer helpfully explained on Fox News Sunday the weekend after President Bush was reelected in 2004:

I think it was a huge issue that the president was weak in his first term. He had less of the power and strength and capital, as he speaks of, than he does today. And now that he's been elected with a large majority, or a significant majority, and with a mandate, I think part of that mandate is to get the right judges, by his likes.

Bush won with 286 electoral votes to John Kerry's 252, and with a 2.4 percent margin in the popular vote. Obama currently has 303 electoral votes to Romney's 206, and he's likely to add to that the 29 votes from Florida, which hasn't been called yet, for a grand total of 332.

Everyone knew this would happen. Why is anyone surprised.

Here is what I don't expect to see happen again: Obama reach across the aisle and not know he'll get nothing but obstruction. That hurt him during his first 2-3 years in office.


He kind of has to. The Republicans control the House, and we need to get the budget under control. I'd love to see dropping the Bush Tax Cuts in exchange for some deep cuts that the Repubs want. That's real compromise. Otherwise, nothing will change. And the Repubs don't need to be hyperfocused on making Obama a one term president anymore, so maybe they'll grow the fark up a little bit.

/Is it still possible for me to be this naive? Guess so.
 
2012-11-07 02:14:49 PM  

Carth: American's should be up in arms for the bullshiat "horse race" the media sold. It clearly wasn't and statisticians tried their hardest to point out Obama would in by a comfortable margin.

Idiots like Rove and Krauthammer should be kicked off tv for how wrong they were.


lennavan: jst3p: Zerochance: jst3p: Carth: American's should be up in arms for the bullshiat "horse race" the media sold.

If it motivated people to vote I am OK with it.

I'm not. Yes, it motivated people to vote which caused my guy to win, but that's not the media's job. They're supposed to report and fact-check. They didn't do either. Not a goddamn bit.

They haven't for a very long time, news has been a sham for decades. At least in this case there was a positive byproduct.

The only problem I have with it is the usage of the word news. I got no beef with what the media wants to do. But I think we all agree, it's not news, it's entertainment. By all means, pretend the race is close even though all facts say otherwise. But then you shouldn't get to call yourself news.


I agree. We need to hold our "journalists" to higher standards. They are supposed to be the watchdogs of our society. How do we go about getting them to do their job?
 
2012-11-07 02:15:15 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The Freepers are fun today. This is being used to rally the troops:

"I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of woes and shattered shields, when the age of men comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!" From the movie 'The Return of the King'

Obama is Sauron, I guess, except that when Karl Rove bit off Mitt Romney's finger, he only found a Ring Pop.


hahahahahaa you just made me wake the dog, well done.
 
2012-11-07 02:15:57 PM  

Flappyhead: Cythraul: 'Quite bright,' eh? I think y'all need to do something about your 'minority problem' before 2050 rolls around. Unless you want to lose the electoral votes in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, and Florida, that is.

Was watching the CNN broadcast(don't get FOX, wish I did for teh lulz) and everyone who was doing the roundtable with Cooper, from Carville, the former Obama strategist to even the blonde GOP hottie pundit all agreed that the Republicans were dead in the water until they realized and did something about the huge gap in the demographic vote. The only person who didn't? The fiftysomething neo-con who just wanted to spout talking points and ignore the fact that only voter group the GOP has a stangelhold on are retired white people. The mid-terms this time around are gonna be fun to watch.


Mid terms are still going to favor the GOP. So long as the only people who truly "get out the vote" during the Mid Terms/Primaries are old white people, the GOP will still be relevant in that regard.
 
2012-11-07 02:17:01 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Drexl's Eye: So what would a real mandate look like? Krauthammer helpfully explained on Fox News Sunday the weekend after President Bush was reelected in 2004:

I think it was a huge issue that the president was weak in his first term. He had less of the power and strength and capital, as he speaks of, than he does today. And now that he's been elected with a large majority, or a significant majority, and with a mandate, I think part of that mandate is to get the right judges, by his likes.

Bush won with 286 electoral votes to John Kerry's 252, and with a 2.4 percent margin in the popular vote. Obama currently has 303 electoral votes to Romney's 206, and he's likely to add to that the 29 votes from Florida, which hasn't been called yet, for a grand total of 332.

Everyone knew this would happen. Why is anyone surprised.

Here is what I don't expect to see happen again: Obama reach across the aisle and not know he'll get nothing but obstruction. That hurt him during his first 2-3 years in office.


He threw in a lot of liberal code words last night, as well as made it perfectly clear the Republicans would get one chance to immediately come to the table or they are going to learn thing or two about brass knuckles.
 
2012-11-07 02:18:23 PM  

SlothB77: I hate saying this, but Obama has a mandate. The GOP was soundly defeated. In every key race, we lost. We lost Virginia and Ohio. We might lose Florida. Scott Brown lost in Mass. Mourdock and Akin soundly defeated. Kaine over Allen. It was a thumping.


Dammit, why did you have to be so graceful in defeat? I wanted to mock you for this:
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-07 02:19:13 PM  

Carn: He threw in a lot of liberal code words last night, as well as made it perfectly clear the Republicans would get one chance to immediately come to the table or they are going to learn thing or two about brass knuckles.


Let's hope that's true, because the republicans in the house will fight tooth and nail, and there's nothing more dangerous than a cornered rat.
 
2012-11-07 02:20:46 PM  

InmanRoshi: Andrew Sullivan has a chronological order of all of Morris' tweets from last night as the poll results come in.
It's pretty hilarious. Reminds me of watching people spin plates on the Johnny Carson show when I was a kid.


i48.tinypic.com

I don't know how the studio-to-studio transmission works, but I'd like to think that Dick sees a full-body shot of Megan in his monitor. She's sitting in her chair, wearing a short skirt, with bare legs and open-toed pumps. Her feet don't quite reach the floor, and she's letting one shoe slooooowly slip down, exposing her smooth arches, until it's just about to fall off, and then she crunches her toes, snapping the shoe back up with a slap against her bare foot. She repeats this over and over. Dick is trying furiously to remember what spin he's putting on the numbers, but oh sweet jesus there she goes again, just another inch and he'd see her whole foot, but no. SNAP. Up goes the shoe again. What was he talking about? Florida. Yeah, that's right, see, only 24% of the precincts are reporting in and oh my god there it goes again, look at those toes, oh how good they'd taste...
 
2012-11-07 02:22:47 PM  

The Iconoclast: We need to hold our "journalists" to higher standards. They are supposed to be the watchdogs of our society. How do we go about getting them to do their job?


Carn: He threw in a lot of liberal code words last night, as well as made it perfectly clear the Republicans would get one chance to immediately come to the table or they are going to learn thing or two about brass knuckles.


One thing's for sure; after the "fiscal cliff" hits, it will be highly amusing to watch the party of "fiscal responsibility" argue in favor of deliberately unbalancing the budget and taking on more debt to pay for upper-income tax cuts and more military spending.
 
2012-11-07 02:22:49 PM  

Modguy: Flappyhead: Cythraul: 'Quite bright,' eh? I think y'all need to do something about your 'minority problem' before 2050 rolls around. Unless you want to lose the electoral votes in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, and Florida, that is.

Was watching the CNN broadcast(don't get FOX, wish I did for teh lulz) and everyone who was doing the roundtable with Cooper, from Carville, the former Obama strategist to even the blonde GOP hottie pundit all agreed that the Republicans were dead in the water until they realized and did something about the huge gap in the demographic vote. The only person who didn't? The fiftysomething neo-con who just wanted to spout talking points and ignore the fact that only voter group the GOP has a stangelhold on are retired white people. The mid-terms this time around are gonna be fun to watch.

Mid terms are still going to favor the GOP. So long as the only people who truly "get out the vote" during the Mid Terms/Primaries are old white people, the GOP will still be relevant in that regard.


Especially since the Dems up for reelection next time vastly outnumber the Repubs. We may very well lose the Senate next time. However, with a 4 or 5 man buffer, it might be okay, if the economy is doing better, which it probably will.
In 2016, the Tea Baggers will go up for reelection and it should be a very good year for us.
 
2012-11-07 02:23:11 PM  

PanicMan: theteacher: My ultra-conservative friend came in saying he isn't listening to the talking heads anymore. Krauthummer is one of them

He also said that CNN's coverage was better than Faux's.

CNN was surprisingly mostly not suck. If they get rid of Wolf Blitzer it might be watchable.


Let's not be hasty here!

Wolf brings a very valuable and level headed stance to CNN, keeping them on an even keel and preventing partisan calls of debate victories. TBH he's possibly my favorite pundit on CNN, possibly on all the networks even.
 
2012-11-07 02:23:12 PM  

MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today our fiscal problems are not going to be fixed anytime soon.

light em if you got em.....it's going to be a bumpy ride.


HAHA Look at you!

What happened to your predictions?

You were completely wrong you loon! LOL

Everyone laugh at MFL
 
2012-11-07 02:23:40 PM  
I eagerly await the explanations of beta_plus, skinnyhead, and the rest of the DERP SQUAD as to how the unskewed statsiticals they've been quoting failed them. Such delicious tears. Such lovely, cloying hatred.
 
2012-11-07 02:24:14 PM  
Messers Rover, Krauthammer, Barone, Morris, et al:

You know, in certain older civilized cultures, when men failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords.

www.bashinginminds.com
 
2012-11-07 02:24:25 PM  

CygnusDarius: 10) Move to a red state and start pushing for secession.


I support this wholeheartedly.
 
2012-11-07 02:24:44 PM  

eddiesocket: We may very well lose the Senate next time.


That's been a real possibility every election since 2006, and it hasn't materialized yet. Thank you, Tea Party!
 
2012-11-07 02:24:45 PM  

W. Blitzer: PanicMan: theteacher: My ultra-conservative friend came in saying he isn't listening to the talking heads anymore. Krauthummer is one of them

He also said that CNN's coverage was better than Faux's.

CNN was surprisingly mostly not suck. If they get rid of Wolf Blitzer it might be watchable.

Let's not be hasty here!

Wolf brings a very valuable and level headed stance to CNN, keeping them on an even keel and preventing partisan calls of debate victories. TBH he's possibly my favorite pundit on CNN, possibly on all the networks even.


Plus he's super sexy
 
2012-11-07 02:25:12 PM  

eddiesocket: He kind of has to. The Republicans control the House, and we need to get the budget under control. I'd love to see dropping the Bush Tax Cuts in exchange for some deep cuts that the Repubs want


Let the cuts expire and draft new ones that target the middle class. Then use the bully pulpit to pass them.
 
2012-11-07 02:25:13 PM  

CygnusDarius: Carn: He threw in a lot of liberal code words last night, as well as made it perfectly clear the Republicans would get one chance to immediately come to the table or they are going to learn thing or two about brass knuckles.

Let's hope that's true, because the republicans in the house will fight tooth and nail, and there's nothing more dangerous than a cornered rat.


Boehner actually sounds like he understands his predicament (cooperate or die). McConnell is the one who will stick to his intransigence no matter what, but if King leads them to change the filibuster to be less ridiculous he might be muted. Of course, Cantor and the teahadists are still strong in the House so you're right. I truly think they wasted all their political capital at the worst time. They tried to convince everyone that liberal policies would never let our economy recover. During the next four years, we're going to see them pay off in spades. They can either try to join the party or set themselves up for complete slaughter in 2016. I'm ok with either.
 
2012-11-07 02:25:55 PM  
You know, if guys like Cabbage Mallet weren't so completely insane and invested in partisan nonsense, they'd be celebrating. The right won. Thanks to liberals' lack of strong convictions on anything but social issues and the Dems being able to hold up the Republicans as bogeymen, the right-wing agenda is quite simply the only game in town. Obama is further right, in the aggregate, than any president since Hoover. And as long as centrist liberals continue to fight harder against the left than they do against the right, this trend right will continue.
 
2012-11-07 02:26:13 PM  
FTFA: You have a whole rising young generation - Kelly Ayotte, you've got Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley, Ted Cruz, the new senator from Texas, Marco Rubio, this whole generation who a just a year or two short in their careers from running this time are all going to be in the fray next time.

Krauthammer can't even tell Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz apart.
 
2012-11-07 02:26:56 PM  

qorkfiend: The Iconoclast: We need to hold our "journalists" to higher standards. They are supposed to be the watchdogs of our society. How do we go about getting them to do their job?

Carn: He threw in a lot of liberal code words last night, as well as made it perfectly clear the Republicans would get one chance to immediately come to the table or they are going to learn thing or two about brass knuckles.

One thing's for sure; after the "fiscal cliff" hits, it will be highly amusing to watch the party of "fiscal responsibility" argue in favor of deliberately unbalancing the budget and taking on more debt to pay for upper-income tax cuts and more military spending.


But we need more boats! And stuff.
 
2012-11-07 02:27:54 PM  

MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today our fiscal problems are not going to be fixed anytime soon.

light em if you got em.....it's going to be a bumpy ride.


More predictions from the guy who said this:

WI = GOP has put together fantastic gound game that has outperformed polling over the last three election cycles.
OH = Has gone republican 77% of the time since 1960 and Obama only won there by 4.6% in 2008 which was a "wave" election where the laws of demographics got thrown out the window and his opponents ground game was non existent.
You can camp out and campaign for 4 years in a state like Ohio, but if you are a shiatty president it won't matter. This is why the president needs a +11 Democrat sample from CNN to make the race look like a dead heat in their latest poll.

Romney has got this.


You suck, stop talking.
 
2012-11-07 02:27:59 PM  

CygnusDarius: A blog is already compiling the best bits of derp in right-wing blogs. So far here's my favorite:

It's time for the people who make this country work to put up or shut up. It's time to make the deadbeats feel some pain IMHO.

1) Minimize your spending. Take your savings out of the economy and hide it as best as you can.
2) In the same vein, take as much of your economic activity to the black market / cash only market as you can.
3) If you are thinking about closing your business down, go ahead
4) If you are keeping your business running, take a strong look at who you are hiring and firing (ie consider firing minorities and single women)
5) If you are a doctor begin limiting your patients or only take cash payments.
6) If you produce food (farmers) consider reducing your output to drive up prices and help Michelle O. with her fight on fat.
7)Do not associate, coach, elevate, or help in any way those who trend Democrat. This includes charities or even your own family.
8)If you are working hard to try and get ahead. Stop - enjoy your life and family while you still can.
9) Do not associate with liberal bastions such as schools, colleges, and the entertainment industry. Consider homeschooling your kids.
10) Move to a red state and start pushing for secession.
11) Military members near retirement should retire; make the Democrats fight the next war.



I saw that on Free Republic last night.

Boy, those Freepers sure love America, don't they?

Oh, btw, #10 sounds like a good plan. I have a truck, do you need some help moving?
 
2012-11-07 02:28:44 PM  

Modguy: Flappyhead: Cythraul: 'Quite bright,' eh? I think y'all need to do something about your 'minority problem' before 2050 rolls around. Unless you want to lose the electoral votes in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, and Florida, that is.

Was watching the CNN broadcast(don't get FOX, wish I did for teh lulz) and everyone who was doing the roundtable with Cooper, from Carville, the former Obama strategist to even the blonde GOP hottie pundit all agreed that the Republicans were dead in the water until they realized and did something about the huge gap in the demographic vote. The only person who didn't? The fiftysomething neo-con who just wanted to spout talking points and ignore the fact that only voter group the GOP has a stangelhold on are retired white people. The mid-terms this time around are gonna be fun to watch.

Mid terms are still going to favor the GOP. So long as the only people who truly "get out the vote" during the Mid Terms/Primaries are old white people, the GOP will still be relevant in that regard.


From "On the Issues":

Cruz accused Dewhurst of using his position as head of the Texas Senate to kill a bill last year that would have given police more power to ask anyone they detain about their citizenship status--a charge Dewhurst denied.

Both agreed that the US has failed to secure its border with Mexico, and said they oppose amnesty for illegal immigrants and the Obama administration's new directive allowing many young illegal immigrants brought to the US as children to be exempted from deportation.

The GOP is farked.
 
2012-11-07 02:29:33 PM  

quickdraw: SlothB77: I hate saying this, but Obama has a mandate. The GOP was soundly defeated. In every key race, we lost. We lost Virginia and Ohio. We might lose Florida. Scott Brown lost in Mass. Mourdock and Akin soundly defeated. Kaine over Allen. It was a thumping.

Thank you! You now are farkied as "graceful in defeat."


Seriously man--congratulations on really being an outsider from your party. Even Romney's concession speech was halfhearted and sounded really, really insincere.

I've heard next to no republicans look in the mirror on this election. Just a ton of excuses and bullshiat as to why they lost. It could be time to say "Uh...people aren't exactly happy with us. Maybe we need to change a little."
 
2012-11-07 02:30:10 PM  
 
2012-11-07 02:30:49 PM  

NateGrey: MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today our fiscal problems are not going to be fixed anytime soon.

light em if you got em.....it's going to be a bumpy ride.

More predictions from the guy who said this:

WI = GOP has put together fantastic gound game that has outperformed polling over the last three election cycles.
OH = Has gone republican 77% of the time since 1960 and Obama only won there by 4.6% in 2008 which was a "wave" election where the laws of demographics got thrown out the window and his opponents ground game was non existent.
You can camp out and campaign for 4 years in a state like Ohio, but if you are a shiatty president it won't matter. This is why the president needs a +11 Democrat sample from CNN to make the race look like a dead heat in their latest poll.

Romney has got this.

You suck, stop talking.


don't you half-wit trolls have some sort of professional courtesy where you don't call each other out? Man, people have no sense of community anymore these days
 
2012-11-07 02:31:37 PM  

Carn: CygnusDarius: Carn: He threw in a lot of liberal code words last night, as well as made it perfectly clear the Republicans would get one chance to immediately come to the table or they are going to learn thing or two about brass knuckles.

Let's hope that's true, because the republicans in the house will fight tooth and nail, and there's nothing more dangerous than a cornered rat.

Boehner actually sounds like he understands his predicament (cooperate or die). McConnell is the one who will stick to his intransigence no matter what, but if King leads them to change the filibuster to be less ridiculous he might be muted. Of course, Cantor and the teahadists are still strong in the House so you're right. I truly think they wasted all their political capital at the worst time. They tried to convince everyone that liberal policies would never let our economy recover. During the next four years, we're going to see them pay off in spades. They can either try to join the party or set themselves up for complete slaughter in 2016. I'm ok with either.


My worry is, there's still money in politics. The Kochs, the bankers, anyone that might have something to lose with progressive ideas in the government will move up to bribe/bully/remove key Democrats and progressives. They'll use Fox News (again) and CNN (have noticed this for some time now) to drop the fear on people, and they'll use the Tea Party as the vanguard for more vicious attacks.

Democrats better be ready to man the walls, shields and swords, because, as the Romans used to say: Barbari ad portas (Barbarians at the gates).
 
2012-11-07 02:32:14 PM  

Modguy: Flappyhead: Cythraul: 'Quite bright,' eh? I think y'all need to do something about your 'minority problem' before 2050 rolls around. Unless you want to lose the electoral votes in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, and Florida, that is.

Was watching the CNN broadcast(don't get FOX, wish I did for teh lulz) and everyone who was doing the roundtable with Cooper, from Carville, the former Obama strategist to even the blonde GOP hottie pundit all agreed that the Republicans were dead in the water until they realized and did something about the huge gap in the demographic vote. The only person who didn't? The fiftysomething neo-con who just wanted to spout talking points and ignore the fact that only voter group the GOP has a stangelhold on are retired white people. The mid-terms this time around are gonna be fun to watch.

Mid terms are still going to favor the GOP. So long as the only people who truly "get out the vote" during the Mid Terms/Primaries are old white people, the GOP will still be relevant in that regard.


I'm holding onto the hope that this years results coupled with memories of 2010 rallies the moderates into a strong turnout in an effort to oust the 'Baggers and assorted hardliners wherever possible. Not the most likely thing to happen, but a man can dream.
 
2012-11-07 02:32:51 PM  

Jackson Herring: I can tell that Krauthammer just can't stand Obama for some reason.


Personally I think he should be the chairman of the RNC.
 
2012-11-07 02:33:25 PM  

NateGrey: MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today our fiscal problems are not going to be fixed anytime soon.

light em if you got em.....it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Romney will win Ohio by 2
Romney will win IA by 2
Obama will lose WI by 3. (this one is 100% on Him)
Romney will win CO by 3
Romney will win VA by 5
Romney will win FL by 6
Romney will win NH by >1
Obama will win NV by 1000 dead people and 5000 illegals.
Obama will win Minn by 2
Obama will win PA by 1
Obama will win MI by 3 

Your crystal ball is broken.


HAHA HA!!!

Given the "conservative" track record for prognostications, the "WE'RE ALL DOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED" crying from the right gives me greater hope than I have ever had for a bright American future.
 
2012-11-07 02:33:37 PM  

mainstreet62: Jackpot777: Dusk-You-n-Me: MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today

That, as a mirror of the right wing noise machine, you were completely clueless on how last night would play out.

But welcome back.

Misty watercolored memories. Of the way we were...

[i301.photobucket.com image 750x600]

To SlothB77's defense, he conceded defeat quite graciously, which I felt was a good gesture. Check out his post on this thread at 10:42 AM


To counter: I Boobiesed the image at 7.55AM. Being gracious when everyone's looking at you is not grace. Which was one of the reasons Romney lost in the first place. A person tells people to fark themselves (or in Sloth's case, suck someone else off) like that, they're hedging their bets.

It shows they drank the Kool-Aid. It shows they eschew facts for a comforting narrative. It shows if he/she will switch to an alt or not, because if there's one thing this election should make PERFECTLY CLEAR to the [f]right[ened] wing, it is this...

You will not get away with your tantrums any more. You will get called out. You will be ridiculed if you are ridiculous. Don't like it? Stop having tantrums and being ridiculous. You're American adults. farking act like it. 

Welcome To The Information Age.
 
2012-11-07 02:33:42 PM  

eddiesocket: /Is it still possible for me to be this naive? Guess so.


Feebly there by a thread myself. It's lonely.
 
2012-11-07 02:34:51 PM  

skullkrusher: don't you half-wit trolls have some sort of professional courtesy where you don't call each other out? Man, people have no sense of community anymore these days


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-07 02:35:20 PM  

NateGrey: MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today our fiscal problems are not going to be fixed anytime soon.

light em if you got em.....it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Romney will win Ohio by 2
Romney will win IA by 2
Obama will lose WI by 3. (this one is 100% on Him)
Romney will win CO by 3
Romney will win VA by 5
Romney will win FL by 6
Romney will win NH by >1
Obama will win NV by 1000 dead people and 5000 illegals.
Obama will win Minn by 2
Obama will win PA by 1
Obama will win MI by 3 

Your crystal ball is broken.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

False hope is more abundant in these threads than crabs in a frat house. Obama's goose is on the counter getting stuffing shoved up it's anus and oven is preheated.

Suck it libs. Suck it hard.


What a farking clown.
 
2012-11-07 02:35:44 PM  

NateGrey: skullkrusher: don't you half-wit trolls have some sort of professional courtesy where you don't call each other out? Man, people have no sense of community anymore these days

[25.media.tumblr.com image 239x285]


no. Any other stupid questions?
 
2012-11-07 02:36:26 PM  
Late edit: the early morning answer.

If shame and embarrassment is the only language they understand, we start talking to them today. And they will understand.
 
2012-11-07 02:40:06 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: I can tell that Krauthammer just can't stand Obama for some reason.

Personally I think he should be the chairman of the RNC.


RNC headquarters doesn't have a ramp though
 
2012-11-07 02:41:09 PM  
Pretty sure Krauthammer was following WombatControl's derp model.
 
2012-11-07 02:41:11 PM  

henryhill: Counter_Intelligent: I noticed that, too. Where are all the Derpists today? Out buying guns and ammo?

We are missing alot of people here today arent we. My screen is noticably missing alot of red farkies.


They're off the clock now
 
2012-11-07 02:43:06 PM  

The Iconoclast: lennavan:

The only problem I have with it is the usage of the word news. I got no beef with what the media wants to do. But I think we all agree, it's not news, it's entertainment. By all means, pretend the race is close even though all facts say otherwise. But then you shouldn't get to call yourself news.

I agree. We need to hold our "journalists" to higher standards. They are supposed to be the watchdogs of our society. How do we go about getting them to do their job?


Personally I'd like to see regulation of the word "news." Just like how in newspapers the Opinion and Comics sections are clearly defined, I'd like to see entertainment and opinion clearly defined from factual news. Then let the various news sources sue each other when major infractions occur and if successful in a lawsuit, that TV show/channel/whatever has to clearly state they are not news but rather whatever they actually are. The end result will hopefully be a premium put on being able to call yourself news. That if you heard something clearly declared as news, you knew it came with some minimum level of credibility.

Of course the problem with this is the GOP/Fox has built such a fabricated reality, if this were to happen, their viewers would call it a big government conspiracy and not "oh, turns out Fox isn't so accurate."
 
2012-11-07 02:43:18 PM  

Flappyhead: Modguy: Flappyhead: Cythraul: 'Quite bright,' eh? I think y'all need to do something about your 'minority problem' before 2050 rolls around. Unless you want to lose the electoral votes in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, and Florida, that is.

Was watching the CNN broadcast(don't get FOX, wish I did for teh lulz) and everyone who was doing the roundtable with Cooper, from Carville, the former Obama strategist to even the blonde GOP hottie pundit all agreed that the Republicans were dead in the water until they realized and did something about the huge gap in the demographic vote. The only person who didn't? The fiftysomething neo-con who just wanted to spout talking points and ignore the fact that only voter group the GOP has a stangelhold on are retired white people. The mid-terms this time around are gonna be fun to watch.

Mid terms are still going to favor the GOP. So long as the only people who truly "get out the vote" during the Mid Terms/Primaries are old white people, the GOP will still be relevant in that regard.

I'm holding onto the hope that this years results coupled with memories of 2010 rallies the moderates into a strong turnout in an effort to oust the 'Baggers and assorted hardliners wherever possible. Not the most likely thing to happen, but a man can dream.


I've been dreaming that since 2000, seriously pleading since 08
 
2012-11-07 02:43:25 PM  
What a glorious day it is today.

El Rusbo was in classic form today.
Just what I need, a fat drug induced addict with tons of money defining my reasons for voting the way I did.
It's that simplistic hateful rhetoric that will make the GOP another irrelevant political party gone and forgotten in 2016.

Did I mention what a glorious day it is?
 
2012-11-07 02:43:32 PM  

CygnusDarius: A blog is already compiling the best bits of derp in right-wing blogs. So far here's my favorite:

It's time for the people who make this country work to put up or shut up. It's time to make the deadbeats feel some pain IMHO.

1) Minimize your spending. Take your savings out of the economy and hide it as best as you can.
2) In the same vein, take as much of your economic activity to the black market / cash only market as you can.
3) If you are thinking about closing your business down, go ahead
4) If you are keeping your business running, take a strong look at who you are hiring and firing (ie consider firing minorities and single women)
5) If you are a doctor begin limiting your patients or only take cash payments.
6) If you produce food (farmers) consider reducing your output to drive up prices and help Michelle O. with her fight on fat.
7)Do not associate, coach, elevate, or help in any way those who trend Democrat. This includes charities or even your own family.
8)If you are working hard to try and get ahead. Stop - enjoy your life and family while you still can.
9) Do not associate with liberal bastions such as schools, colleges, and the entertainment industry. Consider homeschooling your kids.
10) Move to a red state and start pushing for secession.
11) Military members near retirement should retire; make the Democrats fight the next war.


Please please please PLEASE! By all means, all you Freeptards must go Galt. I can't even imagine what a better place this country would be with the whole lot of you off the grid and living in a Red State shiathole. Go Go GO!!!!
 
2012-11-07 02:43:48 PM  
I

StreetlightInTheGhetto: henryhill: Counter_Intelligent: I noticed that, too. Where are all the Derpists today? Out buying guns and ammo?

We are missing alot of people here today arent we. My screen is noticably missing alot of red farkies.

They're off the clock now


They'll be back in a few days, maybe less. All it takes is a single passive-aggressive message on Fox News (most likely Fox and Friends), and they'll be out on force.

Besides, most were trolls and/or sock puppets. tenpounds being one.
 
2012-11-07 02:45:41 PM  

CygnusDarius: IStreetlightInTheGhetto: henryhill: Counter_Intelligent: I noticed that, too. Where are all the Derpists today? Out buying guns and ammo?

We are missing alot of people here today arent we. My screen is noticably missing alot of red farkies.

They're off the clock now

They'll be back in a few days, maybe less. All it takes is a single passive-aggressive message on Fox News (most likely Fox and Friends), and they'll be out on force.

Besides, most were trolls and/or sock puppets. tenpounds being one.


i'm pretty sure the GOP rank and file are having a mental health day today.
 
2012-11-07 02:50:50 PM  
www.spikednation.com
For a thousand years...
 
2012-11-07 02:52:19 PM  

Carn: qorkfiend: The Iconoclast: We need to hold our "journalists" to higher standards. They are supposed to be the watchdogs of our society. How do we go about getting them to do their job?

Carn: He threw in a lot of liberal code words last night, as well as made it perfectly clear the Republicans would get one chance to immediately come to the table or they are going to learn thing or two about brass knuckles.

One thing's for sure; after the "fiscal cliff" hits, it will be highly amusing to watch the party of "fiscal responsibility" argue in favor of deliberately unbalancing the budget and taking on more debt to pay for upper-income tax cuts and more military spending.

But we need more boats! And stuff.


Listen - the US Navy's dwindling number of steam-powered sloops and tramp steamers is a huge national security risk! Why can't you see this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
 
2012-11-07 02:52:26 PM  

lennavan: The Iconoclast: lennavan:

The only problem I have with it is the usage of the word news. I got no beef with what the media wants to do. But I think we all agree, it's not news, it's entertainment. By all means, pretend the race is close even though all facts say otherwise. But then you shouldn't get to call yourself news.

I agree. We need to hold our "journalists" to higher standards. They are supposed to be the watchdogs of our society. How do we go about getting them to do their job?

Personally I'd like to see regulation of the word "news." Just like how in newspapers the Opinion and Comics sections are clearly defined, I'd like to see entertainment and opinion clearly defined from factual news. Then let the various news sources sue each other when major infractions occur and if successful in a lawsuit, that TV show/channel/whatever has to clearly state they are not news but rather whatever they actually are. The end result will hopefully be a premium put on being able to call yourself news. That if you heard something clearly declared as news, you knew it came with some minimum level of credibility.

Of course the problem with this is the GOP/Fox has built such a fabricated reality, if this were to happen, their viewers would call it a big government conspiracy and not "oh, turns out Fox isn't so accurate."


Aren't there truth in advertizing laws? Why not have truth in journalism laws? Couldn't some kind of class-action be taken on behalf of the American people? A lot of stuff we're being fed by the "media" is just outright lies.
 
2012-11-07 02:53:12 PM  

EyeballKid: [www.spikednation.com image 480x360]
For a thousand years...


that hotlink is blocked at work so Imma just pretend you posted a picture of the 3rd Reich Eagle.
Farking anti-semite
 
2012-11-07 02:53:17 PM  

skullkrusher: some sort of professional courtesy where you don't call each other out? Man, people have no sense of community anymore these days


that's nothing anyone remember that doctormojophd guy? that dude had like files on people
 
2012-11-07 02:54:16 PM  

skullkrusher: EyeballKid: [www.spikednation.com image 480x360]
For a thousand years...

that hotlink is blocked at work so Imma just pretend you posted a picture of the 3rd Reich Eagle.
Farking anti-semite


Nope. It's Darkness. Just like Chuck Norris promised.
 
2012-11-07 02:54:23 PM  

Headso: skullkrusher: some sort of professional courtesy where you don't call each other out? Man, people have no sense of community anymore these days

that's nothing anyone remember that doctormojophd guy? that dude had like files on people


yeah, where'd he go?
 
2012-11-07 02:54:57 PM  
What a thoughtful, rational commenter:

What a pile of bullshiat. I am so sick of the "bright future" that never arrives. Krauthammer is predicating his comments on a huge assumption: that there will ever be free elections again after Obama gets done forfeiting our sovereignty to the UN, or giving amnesty to every brown skinned, uneducated, illegal alien who manages to get across our impenetrable border. (oh dear, now someone will call me a racist for speaking the truth. What will I do?) Obama wants to destroy the same country that Krauthammer has deluded himself into thinking will be there when all of these incandescent candidates mature.
...
We are fighting a political crime syndicate. Charles needs to lay off the serotonin re-uptake inhibitors and face the dark reality of who Obama is and what he is intent on doing.

Thomas Jefferson had an interesting prescription for the tyranny we are seeing from the Left. If our future is bright, it is bright red.
 
2012-11-07 02:55:11 PM  

Jackpot777: All my liberal friends tell me they were watching Fox News last night too.

And they said conservatives don't know how to make people laugh!


I wanted to look at Fox last night to get some different perspective and my wife almost killed me. Fortunately the friend whose house we were at overruled her and we did visit FNC as well as other networks.

All I can say is that they could have been much more horrible than they were.
 
2012-11-07 02:55:12 PM  

skullkrusher: NateGrey: skullkrusher: don't you half-wit trolls have some sort of professional courtesy where you don't call each other out? Man, people have no sense of community anymore these days

[25.media.tumblr.com image 239x285]

no. Any other stupid questions?


skullkrusher: images.wikia.com
 
2012-11-07 02:55:48 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: henryhill: Counter_Intelligent: I noticed that, too. Where are all the Derpists today? Out buying guns and ammo?

We are missing alot of people here today arent we. My screen is noticably missing alot of red farkies.

They're off the clock now



I don't know if it's just me but, I detect a little anger it the righties today. Might be about Romney, or is it Allen West? It might be
Elizabeth Warren, or Allen Grayson that has their dander up. Give me a day or two, I'll put my finger on it.
 
2012-11-07 02:55:48 PM  

zedster: Republican Math:
2004: 286 EV with 50.7% of popular vote (Kerry got 48.3%) = Mandate
2012: 300 EV with 50.3% of the popular vote (Romney got 48.1%) ≠ Mandate
Additionally, Gary Johnson got 1% of the vote, which can most likely be attributed to upset right wing voters, and Jill Stein .3% which is lower then Nader in 2008 who had .56% of the vote.



Republicans love it when they have mandates.

/Why do you think so many of them are gay?
//man-dates.
///get it?
////I'll be here all week, tip the veal.
 
2012-11-07 02:55:58 PM  

NateGrey: skullkrusher: NateGrey: skullkrusher: don't you half-wit trolls have some sort of professional courtesy where you don't call each other out? Man, people have no sense of community anymore these days

[25.media.tumblr.com image 239x285]

no. Any other stupid questions?

skullkrusher: [images.wikia.com image 120x100]


I think it's cute how hard you try.
 
2012-11-07 02:57:45 PM  
Why Obama Won


What we have now is a society where the traditional male role of husband/father has been supplanted by the government. 40% of all children are being born to single mothers, more than 70% if the mother is African American. America's voting population has experienced a dramatic change in the past 30 years.
 
2012-11-07 02:59:32 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Nadie_AZ: Why do we pay attention to these people? They are never right on anything.

That's the thing. You have to kind of think that Republicans are waking up this morning, looking at Nate Silver, and then looking at Fox News and other right wing talking heads, and they might start realizing that facts can not be trumped by feelings. And, maybe they are starting to see the hazards of living in a bubble of information that pushes a dying ideology over a hard and easily provable reality.


Wow. You've never MET a Republican have you? Their reaction to the blow they suffered last night isn't to wonder how they could have been so wrong, but to pretend that they never said things they said, and neither did thier leaders and gurus. They are this morning grasping for any explanation that will soothe thier upset, no matter how far fetched. So some will believe that Obama stole the election using ballot machine chicanery (even though Bain capital controls the company that makes them), or hordes of illegals who committed Ballot fraud, or bribed black people (who are a gaint percentage of the US population in thier minds) with Obamaphones.


Others will claim they knew defeat was inevitable . THEY knew all along Romney was a disaster waiting to happen. He wasn't Nearly conservative ENOOUGH and that's why he lost.

But whatever they believe, they will desperately cling to pundits like krauthammer dispensing words of soothing comfort, no matter how out of whck with reality, because the alternative is to undergo a stark re-examination of the principles by which they've lived thier lives. Ideals which they've come to believe are not only right but divinely ordained and therefore cannot be questioned.
 
2012-11-07 02:59:52 PM  

NateGrey: Why Obama Won


What we have now is a society where the traditional male role of husband/father has been supplanted by the government. 40% of all children are being born to single mothers, more than 70% if the mother is African American. America's voting population has experienced a dramatic change in the past 30 years.


As much as I abhor the extremist right wing, all this butthurt is getting kind of old.
 
2012-11-07 03:00:03 PM  
From a friends sister:
I had to vote for Romney. I voted for Ron Paul 4 years ago and look how that turned out. But now that I know the majority of Americans really ARE stupid, and 4 years ago wasn't just a fluke, I will go back to voting my conscience.

...And we're back in reality.
Look at the conservative projections on what Obama. Still got your guns? yup. so that one is wrong. Taxes up? Nope, that one is wrong. Death panels? End of democracy? Not so much. He's not that bad, if you quit hating him and started working WITH him, things will be better.

I think what really chaffs the Rightyies is that they know things will be better despite them and after convincing themselves that only they are smart enough to get it right, having to admit the other side ISN'T full of idiots kills them.

They would rather be correct and destroy everything than admit being wrong and be successful.
 
2012-11-07 03:01:34 PM  

The Iconoclast: Aren't there truth in advertizing laws? Why not have truth in journalism laws? Couldn't some kind of class-action be taken on behalf of the American people? A lot of stuff we're being fed by the "media" is just outright lies.


We have libel and slander laws, but the idea of the government being the arbiter of what is true, and being able to enforce that via law, runs counter to both the letter and spirit of the First Amendment.
 
2012-11-07 03:03:47 PM  

qorkfiend: Carn: qorkfiend: The Iconoclast: We need to hold our "journalists" to higher standards. They are supposed to be the watchdogs of our society. How do we go about getting them to do their job?

Carn: He threw in a lot of liberal code words last night, as well as made it perfectly clear the Republicans would get one chance to immediately come to the table or they are going to learn thing or two about brass knuckles.

One thing's for sure; after the "fiscal cliff" hits, it will be highly amusing to watch the party of "fiscal responsibility" argue in favor of deliberately unbalancing the budget and taking on more debt to pay for upper-income tax cuts and more military spending.

But we need more boats! And stuff.

Listen - the US Navy's dwindling number of steam-powered sloops and tramp steamers is a huge national security risk! Why can't you see this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!


Your obsession with boats will be our downfall! What good is having tons of boats if they will just fall off the Earth when they reach the edge? C'mon man, think!!!!
 
2012-11-07 03:04:56 PM  

DamnYankees: For what it's worth, Barack Obama is now only the third Democrat in history to win 2 elections with 50%+ of the vote - FDR and Jackson.


upload.wikimedia.org

ಠ_ಠ

 
2012-11-07 03:06:34 PM  

NateGrey: skullkrusher: don't you half-wit trolls have some sort of professional courtesy where you don't call each other out? Man, people have no sense of community anymore these days

[HE_MAD]


farm5.staticflickr.com

u18chan.com
 
2012-11-07 03:07:05 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: InmanRoshi: Andrew Sullivan has a chronological order of all of Morris' tweets from last night as the poll results come in.
It's pretty hilarious. Reminds me of watching people spin plates on the Johnny Carson show when I was a kid.

[i48.tinypic.com image 419x213]

I don't know how the studio-to-studio transmission works, but I'd like to think that Dick sees a full-body shot of Megan in his monitor. She's sitting in her chair, wearing a short skirt, with bare legs and open-toed pumps. Her feet don't quite reach the floor, and she's letting one shoe slooooowly slip down, exposing her smooth arches, until it's just about to fall off, and then she crunches her toes, snapping the shoe back up with a slap against her bare foot. She repeats this over and over. Dick is trying furiously to remember what spin he's putting on the numbers, but oh sweet jesus there she goes again, just another inch and he'd see her whole foot, but no. SNAP. Up goes the shoe again. What was he talking about? Florida. Yeah, that's right, see, only 24% of the precincts are reporting in and oh my god there it goes again, look at those toes, oh how good they'd taste...

 
2012-11-07 03:08:30 PM  
What a Krauthammer might look like.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-07 03:09:20 PM  
Err ... image didn't post.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-07 03:09:50 PM  

MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today our fiscal problems are not going to be fixed anytime soon.

light em if you got em.....it's going to be a bumpy ride.


Funny, a few days ago these were your 'facts'.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-07 03:09:52 PM  

skullkrusher: Headso: skullkrusher: some sort of professional courtesy where you don't call each other out? Man, people have no sense of community anymore these days

that's nothing anyone remember that doctormojophd guy? that dude had like files on people

yeah, where'd he go?


prob got banned for trolling other farkers, that dude was relentless
 
2012-11-07 03:09:55 PM  

The Iconoclast: Aren't there truth in advertizing laws? Why not have truth in journalism laws? Couldn't some kind of class-action be taken on behalf of the American people? A lot of stuff we're being fed by the "media" is just outright lies.


Yep. Like I said, there is so much gray area here it's crazy. And first amendment issues make you want to tread lightly. Like I said, I'm cool with lying and whatnot, I just want regulation of the word news. If you call yourself news, you have to meet minimum standards. And the place to properly fight it out is the courts, where for instance NBC News can sue Fox News for damages by diluting/destroying the meaning of the word "news."
 
2012-11-07 03:12:09 PM  

themadtupper: DamnYankees: For what it's worth, Barack Obama is now only the third Democrat in history to win 2 elections with 50%+ of the vote - FDR and Jackson.

[Jefferson]

ಠ_ಠ

 

i.imgur.com 

JEFFERSON, YOU DOLT!!!!!

 
2012-11-07 03:12:59 PM  

sandoval10: StreetlightInTheGhetto: henryhill: Counter_Intelligent: I noticed that, too. Where are all the Derpists today? Out buying guns and ammo?

We are missing alot of people here today arent we. My screen is noticably missing alot of red farkies.

They're off the clock now


I don't know if it's just me but, I detect a little anger it the righties today. Might be about Romney, or is it Allen West? It might be
Elizabeth Warren, or Allen Grayson that has their dander up. Give me a day or two, I'll put my finger on it.


By "off the clock" I meant "they're not getting paid anymore".

This isn't the case with all of them, by any means. And I'm sure that Democratic campaigns have "social media" hires who just roam forums and discussion boards like gangbusters.

But just wait for two years. They'll come around again. Might have new names, but...

(I called a paid shill out in 08 - he said he was a Michigan voter and he totally wasn't. I really don't bother highlighting anyone except a few Michiganders (before I got bored of keeping track), anyone who sponsors me... and *that guy*.

He came out for a post or two this year until I called him out again, then disappeared like Soze. Maybe he forgot that I had done so before when he dusted off the "logins I created several years ago so it looks like I have more cred on these sites and can't be called out as a newbie" folder.)
 
2012-11-07 03:13:58 PM  

Modguy: Mid terms are still going to favor the GOP. So long as the only people who truly "get out the vote" during the Mid Terms/Primaries are old white people, the GOP will still be relevant in that regard.


Those are good points, but remember the Tea Party Senate candidates also struggled in 2010 and could get nominated again in 2014, and remember where the economy was in 2010 and where it could be in 2014.
 
2012-11-07 03:14:08 PM  

Glenford: MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today our fiscal problems are not going to be fixed anytime soon.

light em if you got em.....it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Funny, a few days ago these were your 'facts'.

[i.imgur.com image 850x430]


Do you have a thread number?

This may need to be immortalized in art.
 
2012-11-07 03:14:30 PM  

vernonFL: Phil Moskowitz: Take a moment and imagine this man's sexual tastes.

On a scale of 1 to John Wayne Gacy, I'm thinking he's an 8.


He makes John Waters look like a Presbyterian Sunday school teacher.
 
jvl [BareFark]
2012-11-07 03:15:16 PM  
Mandates come from being easily elected after making clear, large proposals about what you will do once elected. So no, Obama does not have a mandate for any particular action he might choose to take now. His only mandate is to be President. Contrast this with the first time around where he had clear plans for change and a mandate to which supported those plans.

Personally, I'm hoping he will use his final term to reform Social Security. God knows you can't talk about that kind of thing during an election. He and Pelosi seem to be able to accomplish anything, and that's the thing most needed.
 
2012-11-07 03:15:17 PM  

qorkfiend: The Iconoclast: Aren't there truth in advertizing laws? Why not have truth in journalism laws? Couldn't some kind of class-action be taken on behalf of the American people? A lot of stuff we're being fed by the "media" is just outright lies.

We have libel and slander laws, but the idea of the government being the arbiter of what is true, and being able to enforce that via law, runs counter to both the letter and spirit of the First Amendment.


That makes perfect sense. Perhaps we could just pelt bad journalists with rotton tomatoes... There's got to be a way to stop the outright BS...
 
2012-11-07 03:18:57 PM  

skullkrusher: Headso: skullkrusher: some sort of professional courtesy where you don't call each other out? Man, people have no sense of community anymore these days
that's nothing anyone remember that doctormojophd guy? that dude had like files on people
yeah, where'd he go?


Was wondering that myself. I had a few conversations with him outside of here. He's a little different. "Intense" doesn't quite cover it. I think he'll be back one of these days.
 
2012-11-07 03:20:22 PM  
GOP two days ago: This is a CHANGE ELECTION! Americans will choose between two VERY DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS for the country! This is the BIGGEST ELECTION OF OUR LIVES!!!

OBAMA WINS

GOP today:
There is no mandate. This means nothing.
 
2012-11-07 03:20:26 PM  

Jackpot777: Glenford: MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today our fiscal problems are not going to be fixed anytime soon.

light em if you got em.....it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Funny, a few days ago these were your 'facts'.

[i.imgur.com image 850x430]

Do you have a thread number?

This may need to be immortalized in art.


Here you go.

Posted it a bit up thread. 

Still looking for Wombat and dfourus, their crow is getting cold.
 
2012-11-07 03:20:50 PM  

cryinoutloud: skullkrusher: Headso: skullkrusher: some sort of professional courtesy where you don't call each other out? Man, people have no sense of community anymore these days
that's nothing anyone remember that doctormojophd guy? that dude had like files on people
yeah, where'd he go?

Was wondering that myself. I had a few conversations with him outside of here. He's a little different. "Intense" doesn't quite cover it. I think he'll be back one of these days.


perhaps he's still with us?
 
2012-11-07 03:20:54 PM  

sammyk: Denial is the first stage of grieving Charles. It's going to be a long ride.

The electorate is moving to the left and last night was the very last chance for the conservative agenda.


Dear God, I'd love to think so. At least "conservative" will, fairly soon, have to redefine itself if it's going to survive. On the other hand, I didn't think some of these people would be so...stubborn.

My theory that 2004 was the last election that the Republicans could use homophobia as an election strategy is holding on. That was the cycle that they put gay marriage bans on the agenda in something like 13 swing states simultaneously to beef up Republican participation. Sooner or later, if only because of momentum, they're going to have to abandon being anti-gay. They won't have a choice. Too much progress will have been made in that area.

Getting them to take abortion off the table is going to be a bit harder, because the wingnut wing has been extremely successful in making progress towards bans in that area. The goal of Pro-Lifers has been to ensure enough Republican Presidential administrations to pack the court with Scalias (with Thomas, they have two now) and Obama hasn't had the chance to replace a conservative Justice yet. On the other hand, Roberts very publicly proved himself an unreliable puppet.

But they'll have to take those two issues off the table if the forces that elected Obama are going to glance in their direction again. They still have SOME stuff left; for some reason, a majority of Americans still considers them superior in terms of controlling the federal budget and securing the national defense, despite Bush's spectacular failures in both those areas. They'll have to come down off the social issues to stand a better chance in national elections. There's precedent for this - when the Democrats gave up racism as part of their national platform, their hold on the "solid south" disintegrated, and the Republicans rushed in to pick up the pieces. If they surrendered those two issues ("Okay, fine, abortion stays legal and gay marriage is all right") you'd start seeing Southern states turn blue again. And elections would become a lot less predictable.
 
2012-11-07 03:20:56 PM  

Jackpot777: Glenford: MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today our fiscal problems are not going to be fixed anytime soon.

light em if you got em.....it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Funny, a few days ago these were your 'facts'.

[i.imgur.com image 850x430]

Do you have a thread number?

This may need to be immortalized in art.


Original thread
 
2012-11-07 03:22:51 PM  
Oh, man, I drank so many bottles of Conservative Tears last night I passed out and just woke up. What going on h....oh, FFS, Krauthammer! Just slink back to the dark side of the moon where you belong!

Do you sent the condolence letters to fullbu­t­th­u­rt­mode[nospam-﹫-backwards]p­og*c­o­m?
 
2012-11-07 03:22:53 PM  

peasandcarrots: sammyk: Denial is the first stage of grieving Charles. It's going to be a long ride.

The electorate is moving to the left and last night was the very last chance for the conservative agenda.

Dear God, I'd love to think so. At least "conservative" will, fairly soon, have to redefine itself if it's going to survive. On the other hand, I didn't think some of these people would be so...stubborn.

My theory that 2004 was the last election that the Republicans could use homophobia as an election strategy is holding on. That was the cycle that they put gay marriage bans on the agenda in something like 13 swing states simultaneously to beef up Republican participation. Sooner or later, if only because of momentum, they're going to have to abandon being anti-gay. They won't have a choice. Too much progress will have been made in that area.

Getting them to take abortion off the table is going to be a bit harder, because the wingnut wing has been extremely successful in making progress towards bans in that area. The goal of Pro-Lifers has been to ensure enough Republican Presidential administrations to pack the court with Scalias (with Thomas, they have two now) and Obama hasn't had the chance to replace a conservative Justice yet. On the other hand, Roberts very publicly proved himself an unreliable puppet.

But they'll have to take those two issues off the table if the forces that elected Obama are going to glance in their direction again. They still have SOME stuff left; for some reason, a majority of Americans still considers them superior in terms of controlling the federal budget and securing the national defense, despite Bush's spectacular failures in both those areas. They'll have to come down off the social issues to stand a better chance in national elections. There's precedent for this - when the Democrats gave up racism as part of their national platform, their hold on the "solid south" disintegrated, and the Republicans rushed in to pick up the pieces. If they ...


I think the electorate is just where it's always been. Somewhere around the middle. That's why they vote for the party that's somewhere around the middle. It isn't a shift in the electorate, it is a shift in the GOP that's made the difference.
 
2012-11-07 03:25:08 PM  

skullkrusher:
Was wondering that myself. I had a few conversations with him outside of here. He's a little different. "Intense" doesn't quite cover it. I think he'll be back one of these days.
perhaps he's still with us?


Nah, he's too proud to use an alt. I think he just took his demons elsewhere for a while.

/If you're here, mojo--don't eviscerate me.
 
2012-11-07 03:25:30 PM  
i.ytimg.com

"Let me put it to you this way: I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it."

2004 - Bush - 62,040,610 (popular vote); 286 (electoral vote)
Kerry - 59,028,444 (popular vote); 251 (electoral vote)
Difference - 3,012,166 (popular vote); 35 (electoral vote)

2012 - Obama - 60,305,225 (popular vote); 303 (electoral vote)
Romney - 57,538,254 (popular vote); 206 (electoral vote)
Difference - 2,766,971 (popular vote); 97 (electoral vote)
 
2012-11-07 03:25:46 PM  

qorkfiend: Carn: qorkfiend: The Iconoclast: We need to hold our "journalists" to higher standards. They are supposed to be the watchdogs of our society. How do we go about getting them to do their job?

Carn: He threw in a lot of liberal code words last night, as well as made it perfectly clear the Republicans would get one chance to immediately come to the table or they are going to learn thing or two about brass knuckles.

One thing's for sure; after the "fiscal cliff" hits, it will be highly amusing to watch the party of "fiscal responsibility" argue in favor of deliberately unbalancing the budget and taking on more debt to pay for upper-income tax cuts and more military spending.

But we need more boats! And stuff.

Listen - the US Navy's dwindling number of steam-powered sloops and tramp steamers is a huge national security risk! Why can't you see this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!


NO NO NO NO NO. We need more sailboats because wind power.
 
2012-11-07 03:26:15 PM  
You know, the fact that the media was turning this into a much closer race than it really was (media != people who can actually do impartial statistics and math, and you know which two I mean) probably really helped energize the Obama ground game.

On Monday night I had to drop off a UPS package, and my normal drop box was full (could've stolen a bunch of stuff out of it full). So in running around trying to find where this phantom box at another address is supposed to be, I run into the Obama headquarters for the city and ask them. Now... Michigan went Obama easy. This is 7 PM the night before the election. It was still packed with people, at least half in their 40s-60s and white, who were still working. Yeah, they were pushing downticket candidates... but there was at least one poll that went Romney and they wanted to make damn sure that didn't happen.

Hell, there's one area in town that is notorious for siccing lawyers on people who dare to talk to residents, First Amendment (and state permits, and state law citations, and city permit be damned). This one woman in her 50s was talking about how she was going to circumnavigate the security there to do GOTV on Tuesday.

They were that crazy revved up still in Michigan. I can only imagine in Ohio. And I knew from the get-go that Obama's ground game in 08 was meticulously detailed in their data collection... things change in 4 years, especially with unlikely voters, but they had much less to do this year to catch the data back up to speed. After that it was just motivating people to go out there and do it... and nothing like knowing your state is a nail-biter to get your butt to one of the zillions of Obama locations in battleground states. Where they're set up to get you to work ASAP.

Ironically, I guess, if that's ironic, the same "close race" the media was calling for Romney probably threw the win squarely to Obama. He probably would've won anyway, but maybe not as decisively.

The closer the media said the race was, the more Silver seemed to have Obama winning.
 
2012-11-07 03:26:17 PM  

cryinoutloud: skullkrusher:
Was wondering that myself. I had a few conversations with him outside of here. He's a little different. "Intense" doesn't quite cover it. I think he'll be back one of these days.
perhaps he's still with us?

Nah, he's too proud to use an alt. I think he just took his demons elsewhere for a while.

/If you're here, mojo--don't eviscerate me.


that dude made me look like a rank amateur when it comes to pedantry
 
2012-11-07 03:28:22 PM  

culebra: aug3: Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.

In a sense he's correct, but the problem is that Obama has done a brilliant job of taking all of the good conservative ideas and making them his own. There's no room in that territory for Republicans except through the compromise they are so unwilling to even consider.

If one were so inclined they might call that a pretty strong political strategy on Obama's part.


Let me preface this by saying I'm glad Obama won. Really really glad. However I'm still pretty worried (concerned, if you will) about the road our political machine is going down.

Our two party system is already pretty slim for choices in my opinion, but when one of those parties is cartoon villain evil and batshiat crazy at the same time then obviously you're left with only one choice. As the GOP sheds its less evil, more sane and centrist members they're picked up by the only viable party still standing. As a result that party tends to move to the right (formerly towards the center, but I'd say that line was crossed a while ago).

This leaves the GOP nothing but their extremist territory, and effectively makes ours a one party system. I believe the only reason the GOP even manages to get votes is the ridiculously effective poison they're allowed to whisper into the ears of anyone they can get to listen. You need an educated and informed electorate for this shiat to work!

Anyways, so yeah...one party system. Without a viable opposition what's to keep the Democratic party on the rails? Perhaps sanity, good intentions, and intellect will self-regulate the party, but I'd hate to bet on it over a long period of time.

I suppose the path of least resistance might be for the D's ranks to continue to swell, the R's continue to shrink, and at a certain point the balloon pops and some "new" parties become viable when the great schism occurs in the Democratic party.

What do you guys think? Can the R's pull their shiat together and still have room to stand? Will a new party spring up in the barren wasteland that is a true political left? Hidden option C?
 
2012-11-07 03:28:32 PM  

qorkfiend: The Iconoclast: Aren't there truth in advertizing laws? Why not have truth in journalism laws? Couldn't some kind of class-action be taken on behalf of the American people? A lot of stuff we're being fed by the "media" is just outright lies.

We have libel and slander laws, but the idea of the government being the arbiter of what is true, and being able to enforce that via law, runs counter to both the letter and spirit of the First Amendment.


All you need to do is slightly modify the current libel/slander laws to more easily allow for damages. NBC News could then sue Fox News for using the word news while lying. Using the word news while filling the airwaves with lies takes value away from the word news, which in turn takes value away from NBC News. The problem now is you could easily show Fox News is full of lies but good luck showing direct damages.

I do agree with your first amendment concerns though. That's why I only want regulation of the word news. Print whatever you want to print, say whatever you want to say, you just can't call it all news. I also wouldn't want the FCC overseeing it, it would have to be the judicial branch.
 
2012-11-07 03:28:47 PM  

CygnusDarius: Carn: CygnusDarius: Carn: He threw in a lot of liberal code words last night, as well as made it perfectly clear the Republicans would get one chance to immediately come to the table or they are going to learn thing or two about brass knuckles.

Let's hope that's true, because the republicans in the house will fight tooth and nail, and there's nothing more dangerous than a cornered rat.

Boehner actually sounds like he understands his predicament (cooperate or die). McConnell is the one who will stick to his intransigence no matter what, but if King leads them to change the filibuster to be less ridiculous he might be muted. Of course, Cantor and the teahadists are still strong in the House so you're right. I truly think they wasted all their political capital at the worst time. They tried to convince everyone that liberal policies would never let our economy recover. During the next four years, we're going to see them pay off in spades. They can either try to join the party or set themselves up for complete slaughter in 2016. I'm ok with either.

My worry is, there's still money in politics. The Kochs, the bankers, anyone that might have something to lose with progressive ideas in the government will move up to bribe/bully/remove key Democrats and progressives. They'll use Fox News (again) and CNN (have noticed this for some time now) to drop the fear on people, and they'll use the Tea Party as the vanguard for more vicious attacks.

Democrats better be ready to man the walls, shields and swords, because, as the Romans used to say: Barbari ad portas (Barbarians at the gates).


You're right. I'm perhaps foolishly believing that they'll be up to the fight this time.
 
2012-11-07 03:29:41 PM  

MFL: Well at least we know for a fact today our fiscal problems are not going to be fixed anytime soon.

light em if you got em.....it's going to be a bumpy ride.


Yeah, I'm disappointed with the congress still being Republican too.
 
2012-11-07 03:33:24 PM  

jvl: Mandates come from being easily elected after making clear, large proposals about what you will do once elected. So no, Obama does not have a mandate for any particular action he might choose to take now. His only mandate is to be President. Contrast this with the first time around where he had clear plans for change and a mandate to which supported those plans.

Personally, I'm hoping he will use his final term to reform Social Security. God knows you can't talk about that kind of thing during an election. He and Pelosi seem to be able to accomplish anything, and that's the thing most needed.


This.

Come on, liberally minded people and rebelling conservatives who are waiting for their party to get sane again... we have to be better people than Dubya and try to bridge the gap with the saner folks on the right.

Not the crazy ideologues, though. Obama learned you can't work with them, as their only goal is to undermine at every turn. But the 25% of the country or so that voted Republican for various reasons and who maybe didn't approve of Bush in 2008... those.
 
2012-11-07 03:36:20 PM  
i301.photobucket.com 

/"shoved up it is own anus"...?!?

//also gayer than LordAction talking about sodomy. NNTAWWT
 
2012-11-07 03:41:57 PM  
Boehner on TV right now saying that Obama has no mandate and that Boehner and House Republicans will agree to a "balanced approach" to cut spending and raise revenue, so long as revenue doesn't mean tax increases on the top two percent. He does, however, support the Romney/Ryan plan to modify the tax code.

The balls on these guys.
 
2012-11-07 03:44:40 PM  
The scary thing is that something as "simple" as another 9/11 can change all of this very quickly. No matter demographics and best intentions.
 
2012-11-07 03:45:34 PM  

skullkrusher: that dude made me look like a rank amateur when it comes to pedantry


Shh, before we get banninated.
 
2012-11-07 04:01:13 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: quickdraw: Weaver95: authoritarians all over are gonna scream bloody murder all week.

I must admit - this pleases me greatly.

lets see how Limbaugh and the other major GOP pundits call it today. He might say something classy and low key! hey, it could happen.

*blink*

Who are you and what have you done with Weaver95?


Weaver took a HARD left turn about 3-4 years ago. It was disconcerting but nice.
 
2012-11-07 04:05:33 PM  
Fark you Chuck, shouldn't you be in the Mid-East stealing land from brown people? We all know that's what drives your "opinion" anyways.

Suck it Zionists, guess you will have to 9/11 us again. Is there somewhere I can donate to Iran's nuclear efforts?
 
2012-11-07 04:07:18 PM  

President Raygun: Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: quickdraw: Weaver95: authoritarians all over are gonna scream bloody murder all week.

I must admit - this pleases me greatly.

lets see how Limbaugh and the other major GOP pundits call it today. He might say something classy and low key! hey, it could happen.

*blink*

Who are you and what have you done with Weaver95?

Weaver took a HARD left turn about 3-4 years ago. It was disconcerting but nice.



That's fundamentally incorrect. Weaver stood still while the GOP took a HARD turn right.
 
2012-11-07 04:09:27 PM  

President Raygun: Weaver took a HARD left turn about 3-4 years ago. It was disconcerting but nice.


Not really. It was a slight left turn, but happened to coincide with the Democratic party dashing towards the center to fill the void left by the GOP taking the high-speed rail right over to fantasyland, so it looks more extreme than it was.
 
2012-11-07 04:11:31 PM  

incendi: President Raygun: Weaver took a HARD left turn about 3-4 years ago. It was disconcerting but nice.

Not really. It was a slight left turn, but happened to coincide with the Democratic party dashing towards the center to fill the void left by the GOP taking the high-speed rail right over to fantasyland, so it looks more extreme than it was.


I still contend that he's still a reactionary but is trying to score some libbie Farkette tail cuz he heard they're easy
 
2012-11-07 04:12:14 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Fark you Chuck, shouldn't you be in the Mid-East stealing land from brown people? We all know that's what drives your "opinion" anyways.

Suck it Zionists, guess you will have to 9/11 us again. Is there somewhere I can donate to Iran's nuclear efforts?


you should change your name to Insufferable Jesus
 
2012-11-07 04:14:46 PM  

skullkrusher: Insatiable Jesus: Fark you Chuck, shouldn't you be in the Mid-East stealing land from brown people? We all know that's what drives your "opinion" anyways.

Suck it Zionists, guess you will have to 9/11 us again. Is there somewhere I can donate to Iran's nuclear efforts?

you should change your name to Insufferable Jesus


OK thats funny.
 
2012-11-07 04:14:54 PM  

Eddie Ate Dynamite: culebra: aug3: Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.

In a sense he's correct, but the problem is that Obama has done a brilliant job of taking all of the good conservative ideas and making them his own. There's no room in that territory for Republicans except through the compromise they are so unwilling to even consider.

If one were so inclined they might call that a pretty strong political strategy on Obama's part.

Let me preface this by saying I'm glad Obama won. Really really glad. However I'm still pretty worried (concerned, if you will) about the road our political machine is going down.

Our two party system is already pretty slim for choices in my opinion, but when one of those parties is cartoon villain evil and batshiat crazy at the same time then obviously you're left with only one choice. As the GOP sheds its less evil, more sane and centrist members they're picked up by the only viable party still standing. As a result that party tends to move to the right (formerly towards the center, but I'd say that line was crossed a while ago).

This leaves the GOP nothing but their extremist territory, and effectively makes ours a one party system. I believe the only reason the GOP even manages to get votes is the ridiculously effective poison they're allowed to whisper into the ears of anyone they can get to listen. You need an educated and informed electorate for this shiat to work!

Anyways, so yeah...one party system. Without a viable opposition what's to keep the Democratic party on the rails? Perhaps sanity, good intentions, and intellect will self-regulate the party, but I'd hate to bet on it over a long period of time.

I suppose the path of least resistance might be for the D's ranks to continue to swell, the R's continue to shrink, and at a certain point the balloon pops and some "new" parties become viable when the great schism occurs in the Democratic party.

What do you guys think ...


political parties losing voters or gaining voters en masse is nothing new

the reality of it is that old habits die hard, that is cultural conservatism will probably die about as soon as cultural progressivism in this country - ie: never, and at the end of the day no matter how bad things get economically or militarily - if people can't connect with a presidential candidate on a personal level (that is, if cultural value differences get in the way) then they're going to lose - so culture will always be important even if it's unlikely said person will legislate culture

they will however evolve and change in what's considered culturally conservative or culturally liberal, what was 50 years ago a fight for civil rights among blacks is now a fight for civil rights for homosexuals even if the two voting blocs aren't compatible or seamless (that is, homosexuality is frowned upon in black culture as much if not more than it is in white culture or hispanic culture)... so voters will become fragmented over time and likely start feeling one way or the other slowly, issues will come and go (ie: in 2008 the war on terror took center stage when the parties were still in the nominating process, but was never brought up in this year's nominating process or the general election)

so in the long term who knows what voters will think, in the short term i think republicans will simply react to whatever Obama's agenda is for his second term but i wouldn't be surprised if Obamacare is brought up about as much in 2016 as the war on terror was brought up in 2012 - that is, not at all (especially if it's a boondoggle for the healthcare/insurance industry)
 
2012-11-07 04:21:56 PM  
Here's the column he wrote after 2004 - link


The endorsement was resounding. First, his electoral college victory was solid...Second, there was the popular vote. Bush supporters should not gloat too much about the popular vote, given the fact that they lost it last time. Nonetheless, if you have already won the electoral vote, it is okay to talk about the popular vote as a kind of adjunct legitimizer. And a 3.5-million-vote margin is a serious majority.
 
2012-11-07 04:31:55 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: Take a moment and imagine this man's sexual tastes.


I hate you. So much.
 
2012-11-07 04:34:41 PM  

Eddie Ate Dynamite: culebra: aug3: Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.

In a sense he's correct, but the problem is that Obama has done a brilliant job of taking all of the good conservative ideas and making them his own. There's no room in that territory for Republicans except through the compromise they are so unwilling to even consider.

If one were so inclined they might call that a pretty strong political strategy on Obama's part.

Let me preface this by saying I'm glad Obama won. Really really glad. However I'm still pretty worried (concerned, if you will) about the road our political machine is going down.

Our two party system is already pretty slim for choices in my opinion, but when one of those parties is cartoon villain evil and batshiat crazy at the same time then obviously you're left with only one choice. As the GOP sheds its less evil, more sane and centrist members they're picked up by the only viable party still standing. As a result that party tends to move to the right (formerly towards the center, but I'd say that line was crossed a while ago).

This leaves the GOP nothing but their extremist territory, and effectively makes ours a one party system. I believe the only reason the GOP even manages to get votes is the ridiculously effective poison they're allowed to whisper into the ears of anyone they can get to listen. You need an educated and informed electorate for this shiat to work!

Anyways, so yeah...one party system. Without a viable opposition what's to keep the Democratic party on the rails? Perhaps sanity, good intentions, and intellect will self-regulate the party, but I'd hate to bet on it over a long period of time.

I suppose the path of least resistance might be for the D's ranks to continue to swell, the R's continue to shrink, and at a certain point the balloon pops and some "new" parties become viable when the great schism occurs in the Democratic party.

What do you guys think ...


I don't think we'll end up with a one-party system. The Democrats might dominate for a while, but the Republicans will remain as a regional party until either they manage to reinvent themselves, or they get replaced just as they replaced the Whigs in 1856. I could see the sane Republicans and the "Blue Dog" Democrats either forming their own party together or bolstering the Libertarians, or perhaps an ascendant Green party on the Left as the Republicans are pushed out by the Democrats on the Right.
 
2012-11-07 04:35:18 PM  

Headso: skullkrusher: Headso: skullkrusher: some sort of professional courtesy where you don't call each other out? Man, people have no sense of community anymore these days

that's nothing anyone remember that doctormojophd guy? that dude had like files on people

yeah, where'd he go?

prob got banned for trolling other farkers, that dude was relentless


I loved that guy. Remember him mainly bc he reminded me of a similar guy on a local site who was similar (who worked researching infant development because most adults sucked. Man, he was fun to drink with til he moved out of town)
 
2012-11-07 04:36:15 PM  
Krauthammer, Dick Morris, David Brooks, and their ilk aren't paid to be CORRECT
 
2012-11-07 04:36:45 PM  
"MFL" on 10/29:

Romney will win the popular vote by 3 to 5 points. 51 to 47...or something like that.

Romney will win Ohio by 2
Romney will win IA by 2
Obama will lose WI by 3. (this one is 100% on Him)
Romney will win CO by 3
Romney will win VA by 5
Romney will win FL by 6
Romney will win NH by >1
Obama will win NV by 1000 dead people and 5000 illegals.
Obama will win Minn by 2
Obama will win PA by 1
Obama will win MI by 3

False hope is more abundant in these threads than crabs in a frat house. Obama's goose is on the counter getting stuffing shoved up it's anus and oven is preheated.

Suck it libs. Suck it hard.


What an utter tool.
When I look up "sucking hard" in the dictionary, your picture should absolutely be there.
 
2012-11-07 04:38:32 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Eddie Ate Dynamite: culebra: aug3: Limbaugh is saying that if the Republicans would just run on conservative principles they could easily win.

In a sense he's correct, but the problem is that Obama has done a brilliant job of taking all of the good conservative ideas and making them his own. There's no room in that territory for Republicans except through the compromise they are so unwilling to even consider.

If one were so inclined they might call that a pretty strong political strategy on Obama's part.

Let me preface this by saying I'm glad Obama won. Really really glad. However I'm still pretty worried (concerned, if you will) about the road our political machine is going down.

Our two party system is already pretty slim for choices in my opinion, but when one of those parties is cartoon villain evil and batshiat crazy at the same time then obviously you're left with only one choice. As the GOP sheds its less evil, more sane and centrist members they're picked up by the only viable party still standing. As a result that party tends to move to the right (formerly towards the center, but I'd say that line was crossed a while ago).

This leaves the GOP nothing but their extremist territory, and effectively makes ours a one party system. I believe the only reason the GOP even manages to get votes is the ridiculously effective poison they're allowed to whisper into the ears of anyone they can get to listen. You need an educated and informed electorate for this shiat to work!

Anyways, so yeah...one party system. Without a viable opposition what's to keep the Democratic party on the rails? Perhaps sanity, good intentions, and intellect will self-regulate the party, but I'd hate to bet on it over a long period of time.

I suppose the path of least resistance might be for the D's ranks to continue to swell, the R's continue to shrink, and at a certain point the balloon pops and some "new" parties become viable when the great schism occurs in the Democratic party.

What do you guys think ...

I don't think we'll end up with a one-party system. The Democrats might dominate for a while, but the Republicans will remain as a regional party until either they manage to reinvent themselves, or they get replaced just as they replaced the Whigs in 1856. I could see the sane Republicans and the "Blue Dog" Democrats either forming their own party together or bolstering the Libertarians, or perhaps an ascendant Green party on the Left as the Republicans are pushed out by the Democrats on the Right.


The party system is too engrained for much to happen for a long time I'm afraid. When we have third parties able to nominate (laughingly non-partisan listed on the ballot) Supreme Court justices here in MI I'll be more convinced it's possible.
 
2012-11-07 04:43:11 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I don't know how the studio-to-studio transmission works, but I'd like to think that Dick sees a full-body shot of Megan in his monitor. She's sitting in her chair, wearing a short skirt, with bare legs and open-toed pumps. Her feet don't quite reach the floor, and she's letting one shoe slooooowly slip down, exposing her smooth arches, until it's just about to fall off, and then she crunches her toes, snapping the shoe back up with a slap against her bare foot. She repeats this over and over. Dick is trying furiously to remember what spin he's putting on the numbers, but oh sweet jesus there she goes again, just another inch and he'd see her whole foot, but no. SNAP. Up goes the shoe again. What was he talking about? Florida. Yeah, that's right, see, only 24% of the precincts are reporting in and oh my god there it goes again, look at those toes, oh how good they'd taste...


Wow. Welcome to my favorites, good sir or madam.
 
2012-11-07 04:47:45 PM  

zerkalo: Krauthammer, Dick Morris, David Brooks, and their ilk aren't paid to be CORRECT


www.veteranstoday.com

But they are paid.
 
2012-11-07 04:51:52 PM  

Boxcutta: Boehner on TV right now saying that Obama has no mandate and that Boehner and House Republicans will agree to a "balanced approach" to cut spending and raise revenue, so long as revenue doesn't mean tax increases on the top two percent. He does, however, support the Romney/Ryan plan to modify the tax code.

The balls on these guys.


I hope that this time our Kenyan president has learned some haggling tactics. Obama's opening gambit should be a 50% tax increase on the top 2% as well as eliminating all preferential capital gains rates. When the republicans are willing to show some humility, the president can concede a little.
 
2012-11-07 04:56:53 PM  

Jackpot777: [i301.photobucket.com image 750x574] 

/"shoved up it is own anus"...?!?

//also gayer than LordAction talking about sodomy. NNTAWWT


AAaaannnd that is the end of the MFL Fark username. What an epic, humiliating smackdown he put on himself. Every single R$ win he predicted went to Obama.

Wonder when and if he'll resurface.
 
2012-11-07 05:34:25 PM  

Weaver95: Vodka Zombie: Nadie_AZ: Why do we pay attention to these people? They are never right on anything.

That's the thing. You have to kind of think that Republicans are waking up this morning, looking at Nate Silver, and then looking at Fox News and other right wing talking heads, and they might start realizing that facts can not be trumped by feelings. And, maybe they are starting to see the hazards of living in a bubble of information that pushes a dying ideology over a hard and easily provable reality.

Or they'll blame it all on a conspiracy, assume they were actually right all along, and continue doing the same things they've been doing for the past decade.


These people are heavy into the martyrdom. They would rather burn the party if it means they get to claim a slam on Obama. At this point anybody remaining with the Republican Party has to acknowledge this and either start their own party or simply hang for the ride. At this point, especially with the polling nonsense this week, anybody who is sticking with the party yet decries the Teabaggers have no right to biatch.
 
2012-11-07 05:40:05 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: zerkalo: Krauthammer, Dick Morris, David Brooks, and their ilk aren't paid to be CORRECT

[www.veteranstoday.com image 342x256]

But they are paid.


I wonder if that lucrative field isn't going to dry up a bit. Right now there's a massive lake of cash that's paying for Faux News and all the grifter "analysts" and "commentators", but if ratings go down and the rubes realize that they're being played like violins by their masters, I suspect that in a year or two it won't be as easy to fall into a career as a right wing extremist shill as it is now.
 
2012-11-07 06:09:23 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: The party system is too engrained for much to happen for a long time I'm afraid. When we have third parties able to nominate (laughingly non-partisan listed on the ballot) Supreme Court justices here in MI I'll be more convinced it's possible.


I didn't say it'd happen overnight, but it'll happen. Politics abhors a vacuum as much as nature does, and the Libertarians and the Greens are fairly well-positioned to make a serious entry into national politics, should the opportunity arise (by which I mean, they have the ballot access to do something if they had the backing and the power base).
 
2012-11-07 06:49:53 PM  
Let's go back in time to eight years ago. I remember hearing that the winner of that election had a huge mandate and got all sorts of political capital. Let's take a look at election results for that winner:

He won 50.7% of the popular vote.
He won 49.1% of the electoral college votes.

Now, let's fast forward to the present time. I'm hearing that the guy who won has no mandate and no political capital from his win. Let's take a look at the election results for this clearly Pyrrhic winner:

He won 50.4% of the popular vote.
He won 56.3% of the electoral college votes (that percentage may increase).
 
2012-11-07 09:20:55 PM  
Listening to NPR today the GOP is saying "this is what happens when you become too liberal"... yadda yadda

Let's look at what really happened....

women voters... GOP response: no abortion, pay ceilings are imaginary
blacks and american indians... GOP: you are irrelevant
immigrants and latinos... GOP: no American Dream Act por joo, Someone get Sherrif Arpaio(sp?) on the phone to dictate immigration laws
same sex couples ... GOP: ewwww


These are the largest growing demographics. The GOP lost because their message discriminates against those demographics, plain and simple.
 
2012-11-07 09:31:32 PM  

DamnYankees: Sybarite: The Republicans are in control of the House, probably a little bit stronger. They are not going to budge. There's no way after holding out on Obama for two years they're going to cave in

Although I think the word "compromise" would be a better choice, I have no doubt he's right about this. They are now going to dig their heels in even harder.

I think this is going to be genuinely interesting. Their strategic decision to block Obama on everything COMPLETELY FAILED. Mitch McConnel should step down as leader, since he completely failed in his goal. There's just no reason for them to keep this up now.

I guess we'll find out now if this was merely a strategic play by them to keep Obama to one term, or whether its a sincere ideological belief.


If you're betting against America, you might not want to be employed by it's citizens. Yes, the GOP's long term plan failed badly. A plan which encouraged Akin to feel relaxed enough to say what he said about abortion and rape, as well as Mourdock. The GOP only has it's short-sighted leadership to blame. I'm happy with thought, and the end results. If Bachmann would have lost, I'd be dancing for pure joy. I'll take what I can get, with Mr. West out of the daily news feed.
 
2012-11-09 10:34:59 PM  

hinten: The scary thing is that something as "simple" as another 9/11 can change all of this very quickly. No matter demographics and best intentions.


And if some similar event does happen, reshaping the current political landscape, anyone looking into a possible black flag type of operation will be ridiculed as a conspiracy nut.
 
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