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2012-11-07 09:38:37 AM  
It's a Zionist crocodile, bred to bite and kill only Muslims.
 
2012-11-07 09:56:14 AM  
Lemme at 'em.
s3.amazonaws.com

/not sure if anyone will get this 
 
2012-11-07 10:01:43 AM  
The policeman says the 5′ 9″ crocodile (1.75 meters) had not hurt anybody, but was frightening sanitation workers.

They crocked their pants

/sorry
 
2012-11-07 10:02:54 AM  
It's a witch! Burn it! Burn it!

But seriously, what does it eat? Smugglers?
 
2012-11-07 10:08:18 AM  
FTA: "The crocodile was originally brought into the blockaded Gaza Strip through a smuggling tunnel linking the territory to neighboring Egypt."

Wait, you can't bring a crocodile for a zoo into Gaza without smuggling it through a tunnel?

I thought this blockade / siege thing was supposed to be about "security". This sounds more like collective punishment to me.

Maybe we should urge our newly reelected president to somehow convince the Israelis not to be such asshats?



/Just a thought
//Terrorism?
///What a croc!
 
2012-11-07 10:10:32 AM  

Amos Quito: FTA: "The crocodile was originally brought into the blockaded Gaza Strip through a smuggling tunnel linking the territory to neighboring Egypt."

Wait, you can't bring a crocodile for a zoo into Gaza without smuggling it through a tunnel?

I thought this blockade / siege thing was supposed to be about "security". This sounds more like collective punishment to me.

Maybe we should urge our newly reelected president to somehow convince the Israelis not to be such asshats?



/Just a thought
//Terrorism?
///What a croc!


Well, if you've ever heard the song "Battle of New Orleans", you'd realize that crocodilians can be weaponized by resourceful rapscallions.
 
2012-11-07 10:11:47 AM  
What crocs in a sewer may or may not look like.
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-07 10:17:31 AM  
This thread is quickly turning into a crock of shiat.
 
2012-11-07 10:24:08 AM  
wtf.juhe.ee
 
2012-11-07 10:25:23 AM  
Can crocodiles be circumcised?

Obviously they're not kosher.
 
2012-11-07 10:26:05 AM  

cgraves67: Amos Quito: FTA: "The crocodile was originally brought into the blockaded Gaza Strip through a smuggling tunnel linking the territory to neighboring Egypt."

Wait, you can't bring a crocodile for a zoo into Gaza without smuggling it through a tunnel?

I thought this blockade / siege thing was supposed to be about "security". This sounds more like collective punishment to me.

Maybe we should urge our newly reelected president to somehow convince the Israelis not to be such asshats?



/Just a thought
//Terrorism?
///What a croc!

Well, if you've ever heard the song "Battle of New Orleans", you'd realize that crocodilians can be weaponized by resourceful rapscallions.


media.comicvine.com

Yes terrorists.
 
2012-11-07 10:36:40 AM  

Amos Quito: FTA: "The crocodile was originally brought into the blockaded Gaza Strip through a smuggling tunnel linking the territory to neighboring Egypt."

Wait, you can't bring a crocodile for a zoo into Gaza without smuggling it through a tunnel?

I thought this blockade / siege thing was supposed to be about "security". This sounds more like collective punishment to me.

Maybe we should urge our newly reelected president to somehow convince the Israelis not to be such asshats?



/Just a thought
//Terrorism?
///What a croc!


Or maybe the Egyptians will decide to tear down the steel and concrete wall they built and reduce the need for smuggling tunnels. After all, they do have a common language, common religion, common ethnicity, and a common enemy with most of the folks living in the Gaza Strip.
 
2012-11-07 10:40:53 AM  
iblamethejewsforthis.jpg
 
2012-11-07 11:05:37 AM  
Either way, it's one less reptilian to worry about for relieved Gazans.
 
2012-11-07 11:05:44 AM  

give me doughnuts: Amos Quito: FTA: "The crocodile was originally brought into the blockaded Gaza Strip through a smuggling tunnel linking the territory to neighboring Egypt."

Wait, you can't bring a crocodile for a zoo into Gaza without smuggling it through a tunnel?

I thought this blockade / siege thing was supposed to be about "security". This sounds more like collective punishment to me.

Maybe we should urge our newly reelected president to somehow convince the Israelis not to be such asshats?



/Just a thought
//Terrorism?
///What a croc!

Or maybe the Egyptians will decide to tear down the steel and concrete wall they built and reduce the need for smuggling tunnels.



Yeah, maybe they will.

Now that the Usraeli puppet Mubarak is gone, maybe Egypt will start behaving humanely, and stop schlepping water for Israel.

Of course, that move might be considered and act of war by the Zionist Regime - but right now Bibi is looking pretty weak.

/Seems he backed the wrong horse
 
2012-11-07 11:13:33 AM  

machoprogrammer: iblamethejewsZIONISTSforthis.jpg



FTFY.

Jews=/=Zionists

85% of Israeli "Americans" voted for Romney

70% of US Jews voted for Obama

Never forget!
 
2012-11-07 11:27:52 AM  

give me doughnuts: It's a Zionist crocodile, bred to bite and kill only Muslims.



Zionist crocodile? I thought that it was supposed to be the LION of Zion!

/Torn between "Zionist Crocodile" and "Crocodile in a Gazan Sewer" for the name of my new reggae band
 
2012-11-07 11:45:41 AM  

ciberido: give me doughnuts: It's a Zionist crocodile, bred to bite and kill only Muslims.


Zionist crocodile? I thought that it was supposed to be the LION of Zion!

/Torn between "Zionist Crocodile" and "Crocodile in a Gazan Sewer" for the name of my new reggae band


There were "Zionist Sharks" in the Red Sea a couple of years ago. Mossad sent them to disrupt the Sinai tourist trade. This follows the "Zionist Rat" attacks in West Jerusalem, and the "Zionist Squirrel" and "Zionist Pigeon" spies in Iran.
 
2012-11-07 11:47:15 AM  
Now I'm imagining all of the animal agents from "Phineas and Ferb" with yarmulkes instead of fedoras.

Vey iz mir!
 
2012-11-07 11:50:46 AM  

Amos Quito: machoprogrammer: iblamethejewsZIONISTSforthis.jpg


FTFY.

Jews=/=Zionists

85% of Israeli "Americans" voted for Romney

70% of US Jews voted for Obama

Never forget!


That first cite doesn't say anything about 85% of anyone doing anything. Assuming you pasted the wrong link, what did you mean? People with dual citizenship? People born in Israel now living in the US? And why, if they voted (meaning they're Americans) would you put them in quotation marks? Do foreign-born American voters need a special designation beyond American? Are you implying that they are less American (well, you are, but are you doing it intentionally)?

// Israelis don't need crocs, just hire Ben Grimm
 
2012-11-07 12:07:42 PM  
Gaza policemen said they've captured a crocodile that's been on the lam since fleeing a zoo two years ago.

How fast can they run?
 
2012-11-07 12:14:00 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Amos Quito: machoprogrammer: iblamethejewsZIONISTSforthis.jpg


FTFY.

Jews=/=Zionists

85% of Israeli "Americans" voted for Romney

70% of US Jews voted for Obama

Never forget!

That first cite doesn't say anything about 85% of anyone doing anything. Assuming you pasted the wrong link,



Yep, wrong link. Sorry. Here's the right one.

QUOTE: "In stark contrast, exit polls of absentee ballots in Israel show that some 85% of American Jews living in Israel voted for Mitt Romney."


Dr Dreidel: Assuming you pasted the wrong link, what did you mean? People with dual citizenship? People born in Israel now living in the US?



See the bolded above.


Dr Dreidel: And why, if they voted (meaning they're Americans) would you put them in quotation marks?



Because, IMO, their passports may be American, but in their hearts they are Zionist Israelis. The skew of their voting pattern would seem to confirm this.


Dr Dreidel: Do foreign-born American voters need a special designation beyond American?



These are not foreign-born, but expats.


Dr Dreidel: Are you implying that they are less American (well, you are, but are you doing it intentionally)?



Yes, and yes.

The US and Israel have divergent interests. When "Americans" place the interests of the latter over the former, I consider them to be "less American".


/No offense!
 
2012-11-07 12:23:07 PM  
moviemarketing:

i>Gaza policemen said they've captured a crocodile that's been on the lam since fleeing a zoo two years ago.

How fast can they run?

How fast would it have to? Why would it bother going far, either? Crocodiles eat rats, which as you know are common in all kinds of tunnels, along with just about anything else that happens by while it's laying there.

Imagine a parade of bacon passing by your bed. Add a creek of vodak and a brain too small to care if you "voided" on yourself and voila! Paradise!

(When you've got unlimited bacon and booze who needs virgins? They'd just get in the way.)
 
2012-11-07 12:28:15 PM  

moviemarketing: Gaza policemen said they've captured a crocodile that's been on the lam since fleeing a zoo two years ago.

How fast can they run?


The can go pretty fast in their Chevrolet Movie Theater
 
2012-11-07 12:29:03 PM  
84% of Holmes County Florida "Americans" voted for Romney, too. Do they have "divergent interests"?
 
2012-11-07 12:29:16 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Can crocodiles be circumcised?

Obviously they're not kosher.


Sure? I thought it was the cloven hoof that marked not-kosher. They have claws so should be ok.

Of course, I'm no expert on the bible or animal feet.
 
2012-11-07 12:40:51 PM  

give me doughnuts: 84% of Holmes County Florida "Americans" voted for Romney, too. Do they have "divergent interests"?



Read this article and get back to me:

PM to ministers: Don't talk about Obama
 
2012-11-07 12:41:05 PM  
Amos Quito:

The US and Israel have divergent interests. When "Americans" place the interests of the latter over the former, I consider them to be "less American".

This is what sensible, rational, patriotic Americans actually believe!!!

And not only Israel: the same would go for France, Congo, India, even Canada. But of course pointing out that -- along with Israel -- France, Congo, India and Canada have interests divergent from the USA (or for that matter Malaysia and Mozambique) reveals me to be a raging anti-semite bent on shoving evety Jew everywhere into any oven anywhere, so like whatever.

It's got more to do with the problem of the nation-state than anybody's religion or ethnicity or the foreign and domestic policies of any given government. And it will persist until the Reptilians in black helicopters force everybody to join UNESCO, or something.

Actually, this is one of the problems "One World Communist Government" would solve. Only when every "special interest" is equally powerless will the world know peace.

That said, the Israeli government is especially fond of exploiting "dual loyalties." Cf. Yoni Pollard, e.g.
 
2012-11-07 12:43:49 PM  
imtheonlylp:

Lemme at 'em.
[s3.amazonaws.com image 200x266]

/not sure if anyone will get this


Don't you have a pipe to unclog, Norton?
 
2012-11-07 12:47:11 PM  

Amos Quito: give me doughnuts: 84% of Holmes County Florida "Americans" voted for Romney, too. Do they have "divergent interests"?


Read this article and get back to me:

PM to ministers: Don't talk about Obama


I read the article about the folks voting from Israel. It mentioned absolutely nothing about the motivations of the voters. And the other article was about the Israeli P.M. talking to people in the Israeli government. Still nothing about the motivations (or "divergent interests") of the ex-pat Americans living in Israel.

Do you have anything other than pure speculation?
 
2012-11-07 01:05:17 PM  

Amos Quito: Yep, wrong link. Sorry. Here's the right one.

QUOTE: "In stark contrast, exit polls of absentee ballots in Israel show that some 85% of American Jews living in Israel voted for Mitt Romney."

Dr Dreidel: And why, if they voted (meaning they're Americans) would you put them in quotation marks?

Because, IMO, their passports may be American, but in their hearts they are Zionist Israelis. The skew of their voting pattern would seem to confirm this.


And the Republicans who need Jews to control Israel so that when Jesus comes back there's a target for him to laze with his god-sight to destroy the heathen infidels before rapturing the believers to heaven - the ones that blindly support Israel (far more than even the 2% of the population that is Jewish and with 70% of those voters going Obama, far more than Obama-voting Jews+American Jews in Israel), are they similarly non-American?

Basically, there are far more evangelicals that give the kind of support you loathe to Israel - the Bushes, the Romneys/Adelsons, the Bachmanns (compared with Dianne Feinstein and...? on the D side) - than there are Jews.

These are not foreign-born, but expats.

Dr Dreidel: Are you implying that they are less American (well, you are, but are you doing it intentionally)?

Yes, and yes.


Still Americans. They pay taxes here, they have citizenship here, they vote here. They're as American as George Farking Washington - moreso, even (Georgie wasn't born in the US). Taking that away from them makes YOU the asshole. Sorry.

The US and Israel have divergent interests. When "Americans" place the interests of the latter over the former, I consider them to be "less American".

Same with Cubans, Brits, French, Mexicans, etc? I suppose I can get down with that (why make your country of choice your second political choice?), but it's likely that YOU see them as placing Israeli interests over American interests, when in their minds, they see America having an ally like Israel in the MidEast (PNAC, anyone?) is a good thing, so anything that helps one, helps the other.

This isn't my view, but I similarly have to understand that supply-siders sometimes don't realize that their plan is HARMFUL to the economy. They honestly think they're doing the right thing. That's why we have elections - you gather your supporters and I gather mine; let's see whose numbers stack higher.

/No offense!

You may not have meant any, but it was there. So, some taken, but not enough that it matters.
 
2012-11-07 01:07:21 PM  
By the way, it's at least theoretically possible for the USA to be spied on by Canada or Belgium, say, but we never hear about such things. Is it because it never happens. because spies from "friendly" countries don't get caught, or is it just so unimportant as to be beneath mention?
 
2012-11-07 01:41:14 PM  
What about alligators?

www.filmsnobs.com
 
2012-11-07 01:42:37 PM  
Dr Dreidel:

And the Republicans who need Jews to control Israel so that when Jesus comes back there's a target for him to laze with his god-sight to destroy the heathen infidels before rapturing the believers to heaven - the ones that blindly support Israel (far more than even the 2% of the population that is Jewish and with 70% of those voters going Obama, far more than Obama-voting Jews+American Jews in Israel), are they similarly non-American?

Yes. They're unpatriotic and un-American, even anti-American and treasonous. It doesn't matter WHY you serve another nation-state's interests -- whether for money, ideology, or shiats-&-giggles -- it only matters that you do. Again it's intrinsic to the nature of nation-states: no true citizen puts any other government's interest over one's own.

A corollary is that every sovereign nation-state is assumed to be competing with every other. Even a puppet government (Bulgaria to the USSR) or a subsidiary one (Virginia to the US) might also compete on whatever terms it can: a Russian agent serving Bulgaria in Moscow would be a traitor, while a states' rights advocate in DC would be a "neo-Nazi."

You've heard of Robespierre, right? And read Schama and Arendt, perhaps? So either you've missed an elementary fact or you're just being silly.
 
2012-11-07 01:45:09 PM  

TheGogmagog: The One True TheDavid:

Can crocodiles be circumcised?

Obviously they're not kosher.

Sure? I thought it was the cloven hoof that marked not-kosher. They have claws so should be ok.


The cud, they do not chew it. Both must be true. And cloven hooves are not claws: compare a sheep's feet to a crocs and you'll see the difference.
 
2012-11-07 01:48:32 PM  
What's Israel go to do wiht this? It's a crocodile. From the Nile. Like in that song.
 
2012-11-07 01:51:59 PM  
Dr Dreidel:

They're as American as George Farking Washington - moreso, even (Georgie wasn't born in the US).

George Washington was born on their Pope's Creek Estate near present-day Colonial Beach in Westmoreland County, Virginia (link). Of course the USA did not exist till 25 years later, but as soon as it did Westmoreland County, VA became one of its constituent parts.

Your idiocy is head-spinning.
 
2012-11-07 01:52:46 PM  

Dr Dreidel: You may not have meant any, but it was there. So, some taken, but not enough that it matters.



I had written a long reply, but deleted it.

This is a thread about a crocodile who was returned to captivity in a land that is being held under siege. The discussion has gone too far off topic, and would be better discusses in a different thread.

I think you can see why I consider ANYONE who calls himself an "American" while placing the interests of a foreign nation above those of his own is "less than American", but it seems that because the nation in question is THAT nation, you took it personally, and have gotten your feathers ruffled.


/Bibi tried to meddle in the US election
//He gambled big, and lost
///Now he has to worry about repercussions
 
2012-11-07 01:56:02 PM  
What I have learned in this thread:

1) Voting for Romney is pro-Zionist and anti-American

2) Resourceful rapscallions can weaponize reptiles

3) Crocodiles in sewers believe they are living in bacon rich vodak streams
 
2012-11-07 02:03:12 PM  

Amos Quito: Yes, and yes.

The US and Israel have divergent interests. When "Americans" place the interests of the latter over the former, I consider them to be "less American".


You used those special quotes for all Jews using absentee ballots in Israel.

Odd that you can tell simply by being in Israel they are placing the interests of Israel above those of America.

Any other countries you have that special standard for?
 
2012-11-07 02:08:32 PM  
Amos Quito and The One True TheDavid are right. Dr Dreidel and give me donuts are wrong. QED
 
2012-11-07 02:14:21 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Dr Dreidel: And the Republicans who need Jews to control Israel so that when Jesus comes back there's a target for him to laze with his god-sight to destroy the heathen infidels before rapturing the believers to heaven - the ones that blindly support Israel (far more than even the 2% of the population that is Jewish and with 70% of those voters going Obama, far more than Obama-voting Jews+American Jews in Israel), are they similarly non-American?

Yes. They're unpatriotic and un-American, even anti-American and treasonous. It doesn't matter WHY you serve another nation-state's interests -- whether for money, ideology, or shiats-&-giggles -- it only matters that you do. Again it's intrinsic to the nature of nation-states: no true citizen puts any other government's interest over one's own.


You have to keep reading. The part where people think that having Israel as an ally is a good thing may be what motivates them to support Israel may have some bearing on the discussion. They're not putting the interests of another country ABOVE America's, they're saying that what is good for Israel is good for America.

I disagree, but that's why we hold elections.

Amos Quito: I think you can see why I consider ANYONE who calls himself an "American" while placing the interests of a foreign nation above those of his own is "less than American", but it seems that because the nation in question is THAT nation, you took it personally, and have gotten your feathers ruffled.


Again, *I* don't blindly support Israel. I think that Israel is a good ally to have, but I can spend all day recounting the dumb/wrongheaded/in-hindsight-probably-not-good things Israel has done in just my lifetime. To those that do, it may not be that they like Israel more, it may be that they think American and Israeli interests are very similar.

The One True TheDavid: Of course the USA did not exist till 25 years later


[thatsabingo.jpg]
 
2012-11-07 02:15:26 PM  
memedepot.com
 
2012-11-07 02:19:50 PM  

Amos Quito: This is a thread about a crocodile who was returned to captivity in a land that is being held under siege elected a group that has removing all the jews from Israel in their charter and that actively funds people to launch rockets at civilian targets. The discussion has gone too far off topic, and would be better discusses in a different thread.


FTFY.
 
2012-11-07 04:12:31 PM  

liam76: Amos Quito: Yes, and yes.

The US and Israel have divergent interests. When "Americans" place the interests of the latter over the former, I consider them to be "less American".

You used those special quotes for all Jews using absentee ballots in Israel.

Odd that you can tell simply by being in Israel they are placing the interests of Israel above those of America.



American Jews living in America: 70% Obama
American Jews living in Israel: 85% Romney

That's quite a spread, don't you think?

Add to this the well known fact that Bibi worked his butt off to meddle with the US election to try to get Obama out of office and replace him with a chump that he felt he could "move very easily, move it in the right direction", and it's all quite obvious.

Or perhaps you have another explanation for the difference in the votes here an there? 


/Bibi gambled big and lost
//I Hope Obama can find it in his heart to forgive him
 
2012-11-07 04:21:20 PM  
images.wikia.com

All right, who blew his cover?
 
2012-11-07 05:50:48 PM  
Dr Dreidel:

Dr Dreidel: And the Republicans who need Jews to control Israel so that when Jesus comes back there's a target for him to laze with his god-sight to destroy the heathen infidels before rapturing the believers to heaven - the ones that blindly support Israel (far more than even the 2% of the population that is Jewish and with 70% of those voters going Obama, far more than Obama-voting Jews+American Jews in Israel), are they similarly non-American?

Me in response: Yes. They're unpatriotic and un-American, even anti-American and treasonous. It doesn't matter WHY you serve another nation-state's interests -- whether for money, ideology, or shiats-&-giggles -- it only matters that you do. Again it's intrinsic to the nature of nation-states: no true citizen puts any other government's interest over one's own.

Then Dr Dreidel: You have to keep reading. The part where people think that having Israel as an ally is a good thing may be what motivates them to support Israel may have some bearing on the discussion. They're not putting the interests of another country ABOVE America's, they're saying that what is good for Israel is good for America [emphasis added].

I disagree, but that's why we hold elections.


Again you don't get it: the interests of one nation-state, in this case the USA, are separate from and essentially incommensurate with the interests of ANY other. A patriot supports what is good for one's own country, period.

These people you speak of have it backward: an American patriot would say that Israel should support America's interests, which is imperialist for an American but treasonous for an Israeli. What's good for Israel qua Israel doesn't count much, strictly speaking, and in ANY divergence of interests that of America ALWAYS comes first. An American patriot would turn Israel into a smouldering ruin if the interest of America required it, rather than changing American policy to favor Israel more than our own country.


Amos Quito: I think you can see why I consider ANYONE who calls himself an "American" while placing the interests of a foreign nation above those of his own is "less than American", but it seems that because the nation in question is THAT nation, you took it personally, and have gotten your feathers ruffled.

Dr Dreidel responding: Again, *I* don't blindly support Israel. I think that Israel is a good ally to have, but I can spend all day recounting the dumb/wrongheaded/in-hindsight-probably-not-good things Israel has done in just my lifetime. To those that do, it may not be that they like Israel more, it may be that they think American and Israeli interests are very similar.

The proof is in the pudding: when the chips are down "a man cannot serve two masters." Jonathan Pollard was a traitor against the sovereignty of the USA; If the US goverbment wanted the Israelis to have that information it would have supplied it on its own.

On the other hand even that scum-sucker Henry Kissinger was a "realist" who saw in Israel a valuable subordinate ally of the USA and supported Israel when it served US interests -- and made the US' policy that US interests outrank Israeli ones even in Israel itself clear to the Israeli government.

Under Kissinger's advice the Nixon administration miscalculated a bit concerning the Yom Kippur War, which led to the Energy Crisis of the 1970s and subsequent US over-intervention in the Middle East, but he meant to honor the US-Israel alliance in a way that benefitted the US more than Israel: the Nixon administration gave valuable help to Israel that enabled Israel to win the war, but the US did not enter the war itself nor did it risk spreading the little war into a big one involving the USA and the USSR.

I say that even so the USA following Kissinger's advice was a tad too generous with Israel in 1973, which took 30 farking years of misery at home and especially elsewhere to recoup from. (Unless one believes that the Bush II adminstration was a Saudi pawn, of course.)

I say that rather than ensure an Israeli victory the USA should have enforced an immediate cease fire by both sides "or else," and then done whatever was required with US interests in mind. Even let Israel be harmed or smack Israel itself.

But anyway. A US patriot would prefer nuking Israel to disadvantaging the USA. There should be no question of that, either in his own mind or in the mind of any intelligent and sane Israeli.

And again, this is implicit in the nature of the nation-state itself. If you think it should not be that way, and by the way I say it shouldn't, then you might join me in supporting a "One World Government." (Which I say should distribute power and resources in a communistic manner, though very different from how the USSR did things.)


The One True TheDavid: Of course the USA did not exist till 25 years later

Dr Dreidel: [thatsabingo.jpg]

Again your "point" is silly: George Washington was a "native born citizen" in the sense of the U.S. Constitution, that is he was born in the then-colony of Virginia, in what was even then called America, which became part of the United States of America as soon as there was a USA. (King George disagreed but we won that war.) That's very different from his being born in Belgium or Kenya, as even you must recognize. The anachronism you point out is irrelevant.

On the other hand I can't think of an Israeli Prime Minister who was a "native born" Israeli: they weren't even born in "the Middle East" but in Europe, most (IIRC) in what was then the (Tsarist) Russian Empire. One need not agree with Helen Thomas' advice for the Jews to go home to Poland or Germany (etc.) to admit that no head of the Israeli government has been an Israeli in the sense that George Washington was an American. (So THERE. Neener neener neener!) 

To get back on topic (sort of), if the Gazans would request to (re-?) join Egypt then there would be no legitimate need for smuggling tunnels that a crocodile might get into. As things are now, I suggest "the concert of Powers" should make Hamas stand down and then make Israel and Egypt then open their borders with Gaza to the movement of goods and persons.

One is meant to infer from that that, as I don't support Obama but regard many of those who hate him as (unpatriotic) raving psychos (who would gladly disadvantage America to spite Obama), I likewise don't support the Israeli government's policies (relevant to Gaza and so on) but also regard Hamas as raving psychos (who harm America's interests at least as much as they do Israel's). 

That is, for the good of America (and perhaps Israel's also, coincidentally) Hamas must be crushed and another regime instituted in the Gaza Strip that does not disadvantage the USA. (And yes, there are forces in the world, even in "the Middle East," that are worse for America than Israel, in case -- because I cannot write for toffee -- I have not made that clear enough already.)

So. Anyway. Where in Maryland? Close enough to, if I ever do get "home" in the spring, join me at Leon's or the Mt. Royal Tavern for a drink? (I'll even drink Rolling Rock if you buy it.)
 
2012-11-07 05:52:13 PM  

Amos Quito: liam76: Amos Quito: Yes, and yes.

The US and Israel have divergent interests. When "Americans" place the interests of the latter over the former, I consider them to be "less American".

You used those special quotes for all Jews using absentee ballots in Israel.

Odd that you can tell simply by being in Israel they are placing the interests of Israel above those of America.


American Jews living in America: 70% Obama
American Jews living in Israel: 85% Romney

That's quite a spread, don't you think?

Add to this the well known fact that Bibi worked his butt off to meddle with the US election to try to get Obama out of office and replace him with a chump that he felt he could "move very easily, move it in the right direction", and it's all quite obvious.

Or perhaps you have another explanation for the difference in the votes here an there? 



/Bibi gambled big and lost
//I Hope Obama can find it in his heart to forgive him


Yeah I do, but I am not going to play into the normal amos tactic. Answer my question.

Why you think any American in Israel automatically puts Israel first, and if there are any other countries that allow you to make that call about Americans?

I am sure you are going to dance around and pretend that isn't what you did, but here you are putting Americans in "quotes", and here you are explaining that yes you did it because you think they are less American. When you put them in quotes you made no distinction about who they voted for, you put the entire group in those quotes because you think they are less American.

.
 
2012-11-07 05:54:41 PM  

Amos Quito:

/Bibi gambled big and lost
//I Hope Obama can find it in his heart to forgive him


I hope Obama has him shot. Or that he has a major stroke as Sharon did, or that YHWH drops an air conditioner on his head (if I'm wrong and there is a YHWH after all). Or something. But then I'm weird (and sometimes not very nice).
 
2012-11-07 06:07:21 PM  

cgraves67: Amos Quito: FTA: "The crocodile was originally brought into the blockaded Gaza Strip through a smuggling tunnel linking the territory to neighboring Egypt."

Wait, you can't bring a crocodile for a zoo into Gaza without smuggling it through a tunnel?

I thought this blockade / siege thing was supposed to be about "security". This sounds more like collective punishment to me.

Maybe we should urge our newly reelected president to somehow convince the Israelis not to be such asshats?



/Just a thought
//Terrorism?
///What a croc!

Well, if you've ever heard the song "Battle of New Orleans", you'd realize that crocodilians can be weaponized by resourceful rapscallions.


fill their heads with cannon balls and powder their behind?

/military tactics
 
2012-11-07 06:15:23 PM  
liam76 replying to Amos Quito about:

American Jews living in America: 70% Obama
American Jews living in Israel: 85% Romney


Amos: Yes, and yes.

The US and Israel have divergent interests. When "Americans" place the interests of the latter over the former, I consider them to be "less American".


liam76: You used those special quotes for all Jews using absentee ballots in Israel.

Odd that you can tell simply by being in Israel they are placing the interests of Israel above those of America.



I can't read Quito's mind, but I find it odd that the vast majority of Jewish US citizens who cast ballots from Israel supported Romney while the vast majority of Jewish Americans voting here in our homeland voted for Obama, and that it's especially telling that they did that while the Israeli ruler had been doing his damndest to "dis-elect" Obama.

I also say that if those American Jews living in Israel (who might also vote in Israeli elections, yes?) thought that a Romney administration would be even better for America than for Israel were mistaken (at least).

It's not being in Israel per se, it's being in Israel and voting for Israeli interests over US ones. Whether they meant to or not. (As perhaps Yoni Polard thought he was an American patriot as well as a spy for Israel, but if so he was wrong.) To qualify as an American patriot even an American Jew in Israel should put America above Israel. Again, that's the way nation-states work. (And "dual citizenship" is by that standard an abomination.)

And yes, I did just mean to imply that any American who voted for Romney voted against American interests (at least in "the Middle East"), whether they meant to or not. (But then I'm weird, and hold it would have been better to vote for Stewart Alexander instead of either "major" candidate.)
 
2012-11-07 06:39:13 PM  

The One True TheDavid: I can't read Quito's mind, but I find it odd that the vast majority of Jewish US citizens who cast ballots from Israel supported Romney while the vast majority of Jewish Americans voting here in our homeland voted for Obama, and that it's especially telling that they did that while the Israeli ruler had been doing his damndest to "dis-elect" Obama.


By all means find it odd, but painting all American jews in Israel as less American because of it is BS.

BTW you should check out the spread between % of Catholics who support Romeny or Obama when you look at who goes to church at least once a week. Not quite as wide the spread shown there (frequent churchgoers go romney60%, flipped for those that don't). Given that the breadth of beliefs that label themselves jewish is much broader than those with the label Catholic and given that most American jews who move to Israel are very religious a wider spread doesn't require any sinister placement of Israel above America.


The One True TheDavid: I also say that if those American Jews living in Israel (who might also vote in Israeli elections, yes?) thought that a Romney administration would be even better for America than for Israel were mistaken (at least).


Fair enough.

The One True TheDavid: It's not being in Israel per se, it's being in Israel and voting for Israeli interests over US ones. Whether they meant to or not. (As perhaps Yoni Polard thought he was an American patriot as well as a spy for Israel, but if so he was wrong.) To qualify as an American patriot even an American Jew in Israel should put America above Israel. Again, that's the way nation-states work. (And "dual citizenship" is by that standard an abomination.)


Which misses the point that he labeled all American Jews in Israel as less American.

The One True TheDavid: And yes, I did just mean to imply that any American who voted for Romney voted against American interests (at least in "the Middle East"), whether they meant to or not. (But then I'm weird, and hold it would have been better to vote for Stewart Alexander instead of either "major" candidate.)


I got no problem with that. I voted for Obama because I think he is better for America. The problem is making a blanket claim based on religion and what country you live in, and ignoring similiar splits between more and less religious groups of other "faiths".
 
2012-11-07 06:44:27 PM  
The One True TheDavid:

[...]

And yes, I did just mean to imply that any American who voted for Romney voted against American interests (at least in "the Middle East"), whether they meant to or not. (But then I'm weird, and hold it would have been better to vote for Stewart Alexander instead of either "major" candidate.)

By the way, the Socialist Party USA is NOT a member of the "Socialist" International, lapsed or not. And perhaps coincidentally, this "Socialist" International counts as members many (ex-?) Stalinist parties. So it is possible to be a member of the Socialist Party USA and a good American patriot.

And also by the way, I'm considering running for the US House of Representatives as the SPUSA candidate from Kentucky in the next election. As the SPUSA permits dual partisanship I might also present myself as a Republican candidate in the Abbie Hoffman cum "entryist" sense, in an effort to turn that party to the left or perhaps split it (and many people vote Republican not from conviction or even from thought but just to spite the "Democrats"). EIP, for those who wish to diuscuss, encourage and/or support my candidacy.
 
2012-11-07 07:10:30 PM  

liam76: The One True TheDavid:

I can't read Quito's mind, but I find it odd that the vast majority of Jewish US citizens who cast ballots from Israel supported Romney while the vast majority of Jewish Americans voting here in our homeland voted for Obama, and that it's especially telling that they did that while the Israeli ruler had been doing his damndest to "dis-elect" Obama.

By all means find it odd, but painting all American jews in Israel as less American because of it is BS.


Indeed it is BS, as long as those American Jews in Israel further American interests over Israeli ones. Please don't neglect that part: I did not say that merely being in Israel makes an American Jew unpatriotic. (And I'm not 100% sure what Amos Quito meant, which is irrelevant to my point anyway.)


BTW you should check out the spread between % of Catholics who support Romeny or Obama when you look at who goes to church at least once a week. Not quite as wide the spread shown there (frequent churchgoers go romney60%, flipped for those that don't). Given that the breadth of beliefs that label themselves jewish is much broader than those with the label Catholic and given that most American jews who move to Israel are very religious a wider spread doesn't require any sinister placement of Israel above America.

Huh? To be a good Roman Catholic one must put the interest of the world-wide Roman Catholic Church, lead by the (Austrian-German) Pope in the (somehow) sovereign nation of Vatican City, above the interests of any "merely Earthly" country. To side against the "Mother Church," outside of which there is no salvation (in its opinion), would put one's immortal soul in jeopardy of Hell according to that church's doctrine. In that they're even worse than turncoat Zionists.


The One True TheDavid: I also say that if those American Jews living in Israel (who might also vote in Israeli elections, yes?) thought that a Romney administration would be even better for America than for Israel were mistaken (at least).

Fair enough.


/Nods.


The One True TheDavid: It's not being in Israel per se, it's being in Israel and voting for Israeli interests over US ones. Whether they meant to or not. (As perhaps Yoni Polard thought he was an American patriot as well as a spy for Israel, but if so he was wrong.) To qualify as an American patriot even an American Jew in Israel should put America above Israel. Again, that's the way nation-states work. (And "dual citizenship" is by that standard an abomination.)

Which misses the point that [Amos Quito] labeled all American Jews in Israel as less American.

Did you not notice that I noted that I can't read Amos' mind, and did you not catch the (I thought obvious) fact that regardless of what he said/meant I'm speaking only for myself?

Amos Quito and I might agree on some things and/or make similar points in similar language, but we are not Siamese twins let alone the same person. In this case I suspect he's more anti-Israel than I am, NTTAWWT; indeed I doubt he agrees with me on very many issues of any kind, the poor devil.

Whatever one says and however one says it, when one agrees with me or makes the same point in whatever way one is correct; when one differs one is mistaken. (I tend to be a bit of an egocentric ass at times, n'est-ce pas?)
 
2012-11-07 07:24:37 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Indeed it is BS, as long as those American Jews in Israel further American interests over Israeli ones. Please don't neglect that part: I did not say that merely being in Israel makes an American Jew unpatriotic. (And I'm not 100% sure what Amos Quito meant, which is irrelevant to my point anyway.)


Then why did you respond to the guy whose whole point was that he was full of shiat?


The One True TheDavid: Huh? To be a good Roman Catholic one must put the interest of the world-wide Roman Catholic Church, lead by the (Austrian-German) Pope in the (somehow) sovereign nation of Vatican City, above the interests of any "merely Earthly" country. To side against the "Mother Church," outside of which there is no salvation (in my understanding of its opinion), would put one's immortal soul in jeopardy of Hell according to my understanding of that church's doctrine. In that they're even worse than turncoat Zionists.


FTFY

And I am going to have to say your understanding is pretty poor.

If it were true you would see excommunications for people being in the wrong party and priests saying how heads of state would be going to hell when they crossed the church.

If it were true you wouldn't be hearing debates in the catholic church over what is more important abortion or social justice.
 
2012-11-07 08:59:56 PM  
♫ Crocodile in a sewer, I know I know - it's serious ♫
 
2012-11-07 09:23:15 PM  

liam76: The One True TheDavid:

Indeed it is BS, as long as those American Jews in Israel further American interests over Israeli ones. Please don't neglect that part: I did not say that merely being in Israel makes an American Jew unpatriotic. (And I'm not 100% sure what Amos Quito meant, which is irrelevant to my point anyway.)

Then why did you respond to the guy whose whole point was that he was full of shiat?


Don't you mean "Then why did you take that opportunity to interject your own opinions?"

Which would be a rhetorical question, wouldn't it?


Oh and by the way, IMHO access to free abortion on demand is required by social justice, as is free voluntary euthanasia on demand. As is extinction of hereditary diseases like cystic fibrosis through sterilization, holding that a 1/2 or 1/4 chance is too much. As is the death penalty for any felony rating more than 5 years imprisonment, given that such crimes are usually done by people too stupid and/or too crazy to be of much value to society. On the positive side we should set up a liberal bracero program instead of build fences across the Southwest desert; legalize marijuana, hallucinogens and heroin; institute a truly progressive taxation; set up a massive "WPA" type thing to restore our nation's infrastructure, thus alleviating unemployment and poverty; allow every person with a high school diploma or GED the chance to go to at least a community college or public vocational school depending on desire and aptitude; punish corruption by public servants with the firing squad on nationwide TV; and require some sort of National Service for every 18 year old capable of performing it. (Did I mention I'm considering running for Congress?)

XXXOOOXXX,
TheDavidTM
Future Representative from KY 

P.S. I've been drinking. Does it show?
 
2012-11-07 09:26:06 PM  
[PSA: liam76 fancies himself as a secret undercover Hasbarat who's primary goal in life (or at least on Fark) seem to be patrolling the threads, looking for anyone who might speak critically of Israel and Zionism, and then doing his best to paint them as an ANTI-SEMITE in the hopes that the accusation will cause readers to ignore said criticisms. END PSA]

liam76: Why you think any American in Israel automatically puts Israel first,



I don't. What makes you think that I think that?


liam76: and if there are any other countries that allow you to make that call about Americans?



Any "American" expatriate that moves to another country and then puts the interests of the new country above US interests is "less American". And the same goes for anyone who immigrates to America and, gaining citizenship, clings to the patriotism of his homeland.


liam76: I am sure you are going to dance around and pretend that isn't what you did, but here you are putting Americans in "quotes", and here you are explaining that yes you did it because you think they are less American. When you put them in quotes you made no distinction about who they voted for, you put the entire group in those quotes because you think they are less American.



Well, that's a lovely little lie right there, my word-twisting little buddy!

Original post duplicated:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

machoprogrammer: iblamethejewsZIONISTSforthis.jpg


FTFY.

Jews=/=Zionists

85% of Israeli "Americans" voted for Romney

70% of US Jews voted for Obama

Never forget!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I "made no distinction about who they voted for" when I put the quotes, liam76? Then what is the reference to the 85%? And what of the other 15%???

As noted in the PSA (above), your favorite tactic is to try to paint any critic of Israel / Zionism as an "anti-Semite" in the hopes of evoking the emotions of the readers, thereby "discrediting" any legitimate criticism. You and yours LOVE to pretend that any criticism of Israel/Zionism is merely a cloaked attack on ALL Jews, don't you?

But you'll notice that the intent of my post was to show that not all Jews are Israel-Firsters, as you like to claim. If they were, we would have seen the vast majority of American Jews supporting Bibi in his attempt to dethrone the schvartze, wouldn't we?

It has long been known that Israelis, by and large, DON'T like Obama - Especially the Likudniks - hard-core Zionists. It has also long been known that BibiCo has been gunning for Obama. Therefor we would expect that those "Americans" whose primary loyalty is to Israel would support Israel in her bid to replace him with a more "cooperative" president - one that will send money and arms, and bomb the SHIAT out of Israel's enemies on command.

Hence the 85% Romney vote by Israeli expats.

It's nice to know that at least 70% of American Jews, and 15% of American-Israeli Jews don't support their suicidally stupid leadership.

Don't you agree?
 
2012-11-07 09:28:33 PM  
Fark you AQ, and your threadshiat.
But that's what you do, I guess.

/flush
 
2012-11-07 09:29:31 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Oh and by the way, IMHO access to free abortion on demand is required by social justice, as is free voluntary euthanasia on demand. As is extinction of hereditary diseases like cystic fibrosis through sterilization, holding that a 1/2 or 1/4 chance is too much. As is the death penalty for any felony rating more than 5 years imprisonment, given that such crimes are usually done by people too stupid and/or too crazy to be of much value to society. On the positive side we should set up a liberal bracero program instead of build fences across the Southwest desert; legalize marijuana, hallucinogens and heroin; institute a truly progressive taxation; set up a massive "WPA" type thing to restore our nation's infrastructure, thus alleviating unemployment and poverty; allow every person with a high school diploma or GED the chance to go to at least a community college or public vocational school depending on desire and aptitude; punish corruption by public servants with the firing squad on nationwide TV; and require some sort of National Service for every 18 year old capable of performing it. (Did I mention I'm considering running for Congress?)



You sir, are a scary person with scary ideas.

I like it.

Newsletter, please.
 
2012-11-07 09:33:33 PM  

Amos Quito: The One True TheDavid: Oh and by the way, IMHO access to free abortion on demand is required by social justice, as is free voluntary euthanasia on demand. As is extinction of hereditary diseases like cystic fibrosis through sterilization, holding that a 1/2 or 1/4 chance is too much. As is the death penalty for any felony rating more than 5 years imprisonment, given that such crimes are usually done by people too stupid and/or too crazy to be of much value to society. On the positive side we should set up a liberal bracero program instead of build fences across the Southwest desert; legalize marijuana, hallucinogens and heroin; institute a truly progressive taxation; set up a massive "WPA" type thing to restore our nation's infrastructure, thus alleviating unemployment and poverty; allow every person with a high school diploma or GED the chance to go to at least a community college or public vocational school depending on desire and aptitude; punish corruption by public servants with the firing squad on nationwide TV; and require some sort of National Service for every 18 year old capable of performing it. (Did I mention I'm considering running for Congress?)


You sir, are a scary person with scary ideas.

I like it.

Newsletter, please.


He left out a provision asking for Lebensraum. I would have thought you disappointed.
 
2012-11-07 09:34:33 PM  

Porous Horace: Fark you AQ, and your threadshiat.
But that's what you do, I guess.

/flush



Follow the thread, Poor-us Whore-us.

I'm not the one who threadshiat.
 
2012-11-07 09:35:06 PM  
It's time for Israel to step up and be a big boy. America can't keep coddling it anymore, nor should be.

You're not special, Israel. You're not God's gift to the universe. You're human beings, the same as everyone else.
 
2012-11-07 09:36:58 PM  

Fano: Amos Quito: The One True TheDavid: Oh and by the way, IMHO access to free abortion on demand is required by social justice, as is free voluntary euthanasia on demand. As is extinction of hereditary diseases like cystic fibrosis through sterilization, holding that a 1/2 or 1/4 chance is too much. As is the death penalty for any felony rating more than 5 years imprisonment, given that such crimes are usually done by people too stupid and/or too crazy to be of much value to society. On the positive side we should set up a liberal bracero program instead of build fences across the Southwest desert; legalize marijuana, hallucinogens and heroin; institute a truly progressive taxation; set up a massive "WPA" type thing to restore our nation's infrastructure, thus alleviating unemployment and poverty; allow every person with a high school diploma or GED the chance to go to at least a community college or public vocational school depending on desire and aptitude; punish corruption by public servants with the firing squad on nationwide TV; and require some sort of National Service for every 18 year old capable of performing it. (Did I mention I'm considering running for Congress?)


You sir, are a scary person with scary ideas.

I like it.

Newsletter, please.

He left out a provision asking for Lebensraum. I would have thought you disappointed.



Lebensraum is a matter that should be handled by experts - like Ariel Sharon, Bibi Netanyahu, liam76 and Porous Horace.
 
2012-11-07 09:46:45 PM  
Anus Bleedo, it is indeed you who threadshiat - it's like the fourth post in. Later, you ask for the shiatting to stop, like you're some kind of magnanimous guy. Not long after, you start up again. I think you've got some kind of sickness.

Btw, the "Jews" got who they wanted as president, as always.
 
2012-11-07 09:51:03 PM  

Amos Quito: [PSA: liam76 fancies himself as a secret undercover Hasbarat who's primary goal in life (or at least on Fark) seem to be patrolling the threads, looking for anyone who might speak critically of Israel and Zionism, and then doing his best to paint them as an ANTI-SEMITE in the hopes that the accusation will cause readers to ignore said criticisms. END PSA]


You are a anti semite because you post picture supporting Nazi propaganda, and "just ask questions" about jews being behind the holocaust.

You will go through a big song and dance how you never actually said those things (nevermind I am not accusing you of saying it) but you will never deny that you think those things.

Amos Quito: liam76? Then what is the reference to the 85%? And what of the other 15%???


The 85% is a subset of people who you don't think are real Americans. The other 15% are another subset.

85% of Israeli "Americans" voted for Romney

You didn't denigrate just people who voted for Romney, you denigrated all Israeli Americans. You didn't say the 85% of Israeli american who voted for Romney aren't real americans. Those parenthesis were for all Israeli Americans.

You have flat out admitted that the parenthesis indicated they were less American. If I say "90% of African "Americans" voted for Obama" then that slight of the parenthesis applies to all african americans.

Amos Quito: But you'll notice that the intent of my post was to show that not all Jews are Israel-Firsters, as you like to claim. If they were, we would have seen the vast majority of American Jews supporting Bibi in his attempt to dethrone the schvartze, wouldn't we?


Want to point to where I said that?


Amos Quito: As noted in the PSA (above), your favorite tactic is to try to paint any critic of Israel / Zionism as an "anti-Semite" in the hopes of evoking the emotions of the readers, thereby "discrediting" any legitimate criticism. You and yours LOVE to pretend that any criticism of Israel/Zionism is merely a cloaked attack on ALL Jews, don't you?


No, just the ones who support Nazi propaganda, and make claims about all the skullduggery jews were behind in WWI that led to the holocaust.
 
2012-11-07 10:03:03 PM  
 
2012-11-07 10:10:57 PM  
About Israel: territorially I suggest a return to the status quo ante, with Gaza back to Egypt and the West Bank back to Jordan (perhaps as a federation rather than a province if the Palestinians can pull it off). The exception is I'd let Israel keep the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem (or we'd NEVER get those Likud types to agree to common sense). Then Israel may petition to join the USA as a commonwealth like Puerto Rico, a formal protectorate or a US state, though it'd make more sense to have them as a sixth borough of NYC (maybe called Zion County).

Didn't we establish was this threadjack was all about me, ME, ME, my dangerous ideas and my plans for a political carrer subsidized by donations from my fellow Farkers?!?
 
2012-11-07 10:40:52 PM  
liam76:

[Amos Quito declared that] Israel wouldn't have been possible without the holocaust, that Jews in general and Zionists in particular have been behind the events that made Israel possible.

Actually this is correct: before the end of WW2 most of the world's Jews were not Zionists, and without the Zionist Jews of Palestine there couold have been no State of Israel.

What was behind the Shoah was several centuries of European anti-semitism of one kind or another, which few non-Jewish Europeans did enough to counteract and eliminate, neither before the Nazis took power in Germany nor after the evil nature of that regime was abundantly clear.

And while I won't go quite as far as Daniel Goldhagen, I will agree with him that the Nazi leadership, from Hitler down, intended to eliminate the Jews of Europe by fair means or foul, even if that included, oh, shooting and gassing every last Jew they could find. The "weak Hitler" theories are silly: whether he personally specifically ordered the Shoah in all its particulars is irrelevant, given that he screeched hatred of the Jews every chance he could get and that he could have stopped the slaughter of the Jews if he chose. ("The Fuehrer says to push them across to Stalin instead: the Rothschilds and friends made a generous donation.")

Without the worldwide sympathy for the holocausted European Jews the British might still have the mandate over Palestine, or it might be a nice, peaceful, neutral, secular, "multicultural" country like Switzerland. One might as well say Hitler and the Nazis were unconscious, unwitting "useful idiots" of what was then the extreme wing of Zionism; it certainly worked out that way eventually, though claiming Nazism was a Zionist conspiracy is lunacy. In that way too the Nazis pushed things so far they backfired all over Germany for 45 years after it got beat all to hell.

This might not be what Amos Quito thinks or says, but then he's not me either. Nor, I suspect, would he want to be.

Now can we get the topic of this threadjack, my plan to run for Congress because we all agree I'm too good to deprive America of my brilliance?
 
2012-11-08 06:37:56 AM  

The One True TheDavid: liam76:

[Amos Quito declared that] Israel wouldn't have been possible without the holocaust, that Jews in general and Zionists in particular have been behind the events that made Israel possible.

Actually this is correct: before the end of WW2 most of the world's Jews were not Zionists, and without the Zionist Jews of Palestine there couold have been no State of Israel.


No it isn't correct. What you said is true (outside the "this is correct" claim), but if you are saying they are behind the events that made Israel possible then you are saying they are behind the holocaus(as that was oen of the events that made it possible).

The One True TheDavid: liam76: The One True TheDavid:

Indeed it is BS, as long as those American Jews in Israel further American interests over Israeli ones. Please don't neglect that part: I did not say that merely being in Israel makes an American Jew unpatriotic. (And I'm not 100% sure what Amos Quito meant, which is irrelevant to my point anyway.)

Then why did you respond to the guy whose whole point was that he was full of shiat?

Don't you mean "Then why did you take that opportunity to interject your own opinions?"

Which would be a rhetorical question, wouldn't it?


Oh and by the way, IMHO access to free abortion on demand is required by social justice, as is free voluntary euthanasia on demand. As is extinction of hereditary diseases like cystic fibrosis through sterilization, holding that a 1/2 or 1/4 chance is too much. As is the death penalty for any felony rating more than 5 years imprisonment, given that such crimes are usually done by people too stupid and/or too crazy to be of much value to society. On the positive side we should set up a liberal bracero program instead of build fences across the Southwest desert; legalize marijuana, hallucinogens and heroin; institute a truly progressive taxation; set up a massive "WPA" type thing to restore our nation's infrastructure, thus alleviating unemployment and poverty; allow every person with a high school diploma or GED the chance to go to at least a community college or public vocational school depending on desire and aptitude; punish corruption by public servants with the firing squad on nationwide TV; and require some sort of National Service for every 18 year old capable of performing it. (Did I mention I'm considering running for Congress?)

XXXOOOXXX,
TheDavidTM
Future Representative from KY 

P.S. I've been drinking. Does it show?


That is great, but it misses the point that you don't understand the teachings of the catholic church. That is great if you want to blather about what you think social justice is, and even though I agree, it adds nothing to the discussion of the catholisism and voting specificially or religion and voting in general.

As for your topic, this strategy reminds me a lot of debates, you might just do alright there.
 
2012-11-08 10:41:37 AM  

liam76: The One True TheDavid:


[Amos Quito declared that] Israel wouldn't have been possible without the holocaust, that Jews in general and Zionists in particular have been behind the events that made Israel possible.

me: Actually this is correct: before the end of WW2 most of the world's Jews were not Zionists, and without the Zionist Jews of Palestine there could have been no State of Israel.

liam76: No it isn't correct. What you said is true (outside the "this is correct" claim), but if you are saying they are behind the events that made Israel possible then you are saying they are behind the holocaus(as that was oen of the events that made it possible).

While you're nitpicking, let me note that it's sweet of you to cut out the part where I said the following:

Without the worldwide sympathy for the holocausted European Jews the British might still have the mandate over Palestine, or it might be a nice, peaceful, neutral, secular, "multicultural" country like Switzerland. One might as well say Hitler and the Nazis were unconscious, unwitting "useful idiots" of what was then the extreme wing of Zionism; it certainly worked out that way eventually, though claiming Nazism was a Zionist conspiracy is lunacy.

But then when you want to rally the pro-Israel types into a feeding frenzy you don't need to be honest. It silly to do that on Fark though: if you want yourself and 200 of your closest comrades to savage anti-semites why don't you go someplace where most of the people you hope will be The Enemy actually will be?

There's this site called stormfront dot org, where you'd have lots of fun and Fight The Good Fight at the same time: some of the people who hang there deny there even was a Holocaust while others claim the problem was the Nazis were too nice and didn't kill enough Jews. Go to it, Zionist cyberwarrior: your world-wide glory awaits!
 
2012-11-08 11:12:58 AM  

The One True TheDavid: While you're nitpicking, let me note that it's sweet of you to cut out the part where I said the following:

Without the worldwide sympathy for the holocausted European Jews the British might still have the mandate over Palestine, or it might be a nice, peaceful, neutral, secular, "multicultural" country like Switzerland. One might as well say Hitler and the Nazis were unconscious, unwitting "useful idiots" of what was then the extreme wing of Zionism; it certainly worked out that way eventually, though claiming Nazism was a Zionist conspiracy is lunacy.


What you are saying here is that Zionists* benefited from the holocaust, right?

You do see the difference between saying the Zionists benefited from the holocaust (what you said), and Jews in general and Zionists in particular were behind it (what Amos implied), right?

I left out this bit because what you said doesn't support his stance, and The whole "lunacy" accusation shows you don't think he is "correct" as you first claimed.

*that takes a specific definition of Zionist



The One True TheDavid: But then when you want to rally the pro-Israel types into a feeding frenzy you don't need to be honest. It silly to do that on Fark though: if you want yourself and 200 of your closest comrades to savage anti-semites why don't you go someplace where most of the people you hope will be The Enemy actually will be?


Where is the dishonesty? You are the one claiming he is correct, but then go to explain how he isn't right.

The One True TheDavid: There's this site called stormfront dot org, where you'd have lots of fun and Fight The Good Fight at the same time: some of the people who hang there deny there even was a Holocaust while others claim the problem was the Nazis were too nice and didn't kill enough Jews. Go to it, Zionist cyberwarrior: your world-wide glory awaits


It seems like you would have alot more fun there saying how Nazi supporters are technically correct, but then turning around and claiming their stance is luncay. Plenty of room for you to feel superior to everyone
 
2012-11-08 04:03:46 PM  

liam76: The One True TheDavid: While you're nitpicking, let me note that it's sweet of you to cut out the part where I said the following:

Without the worldwide sympathy for the holocausted European Jews the British might still have the mandate over Palestine, or it might be a nice, peaceful, neutral, secular, "multicultural" country like Switzerland. One might as well say Hitler and the Nazis were unconscious, unwitting "useful idiots" of what was then the extreme wing of Zionism; it certainly worked out that way eventually, though claiming Nazism was a Zionist conspiracy is lunacy.

What you are saying here is that Zionists* benefited from the holocaust, right?

You do see the difference between saying the Zionists benefited from the holocaust (what you said), and Jews in general and Zionists in particular were behind it (what Amos implied), right?

I left out this bit because what you said doesn't support his stance, and The whole "lunacy" accusation shows you don't think he is "correct" as you first claimed.

*that takes a specific definition of Zionist



The One True TheDavid: But then when you want to rally the pro-Israel types into a feeding frenzy you don't need to be honest. It silly to do that on Fark though: if you want yourself and 200 of your closest comrades to savage anti-semites why don't you go someplace where most of the people you hope will be The Enemy actually will be?

Where is the dishonesty? You are the one claiming he is correct, but then go to explain how he isn't right.

The One True TheDavid: There's this site called stormfront dot org, where you'd have lots of fun and Fight The Good Fight at the same time: some of the people who hang there deny there even was a Holocaust while others claim the problem was the Nazis were too nice and didn't kill enough Jews. Go to it, Zionist cyberwarrior: your world-wide glory awaits

It seems like you would have alot more fun there saying how Nazi supporters are technically correct, but then turning around ...


These guys seem to like repeating "boy, that Holocaust was awful bad, but people wouldn't do such a thing unless they might have deserved it. Or engineered it themselves. I mean, what, I'm just asking questions here and boy isn't it convenient that the Zionists got their own nation out of the slaughter of millions of Jews. That's a pretty crafty plan, let's cut and paste some Zionist quotes to prove it. What, how dare you call me an antisemite for making loaded statements and whistling and looking the other way when called on the implications of those statements?"
 
2012-11-08 05:33:55 PM  

liam76: The One True TheDavid: liam76:

[Amos Quito declared that] Israel wouldn't have been possible without the holocaust, that Jews in general and Zionists in particular have been behind the events that made Israel possible.

Actually this is correct: before the end of WW2 most of the world's Jews were not Zionists, and without the Zionist Jews of Palestine there couold have been no State of Israel.

No it isn't correct. What you said is true (outside the "this is correct" claim), but if you are saying they are behind the events that made Israel possible then you are saying they are behind the holocaus(as that was oen of the events that made it possible).



You're a lying asshat, liar76. Pathetic.

You said: "That means you think the jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust", and then attributed that quote to me.

Typical lying ZioNazi trashcan.
 
2012-11-08 07:37:15 PM  

Fano: These guys seem to like repeating "boy, that Holocaust was awful bad, but people wouldn't do such a thing unless they might have deserved it. Or engineered it themselves. I mean, what, I'm just asking questions here and boy isn't it convenient that the Zionists got their own nation out of the slaughter of millions of Jews. That's a pretty crafty plan, let's cut and paste some Zionist quotes to prove it. What, how dare you call me an antisemite for making loaded statements and whistling and looking the other way when called on the implications of those statements?"



You know, history is a fun and intriguing subject, but for practical purposes it is worthless unless we can recognize mistakes that were made, and hopefully avoid repeating them.

/Recognize being the key word
 
2012-11-08 08:12:41 PM  

Amos Quito: You're a lying asshat, liar76. Pathetic.

You said: "That means you think the jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust", and then attributed that quote to me.

Typical lying ZioNazi trashcan



Do a wordsearch of that phrase. I will wait.

Ok, now that you realized I didn't say that, here is the quote of what I actually said.

And one of my favorites, where he says Israel wouldn't have been possible without the holocaust, that Jews in general and Zionists in particular have been behind the events that made Israel possible, and thinks it is unfair for me to point out that means he thinks Jews in general and Zionists in particular are behind the holocaust (of course he is fine saying they are behind "stirring up the trouble and inter-ethnic strife that CULMINATED in the Holocaust").

I didn't say you said that. In fact I preceded it by saying you thought it was "unfair" of me to point out the logical conclusion of your claims.

Now I know it is a difficult dance for you to support all your Nazi BS without coming out and saying it, but lets try not to make up shiat that is easily quotable in the same thread.

Stick to your normal BS. Cherry picked lines, ignoring inconvenient historical facts, posting pictures that support Nazi propaganda, and best of all refusing to answer direct questions.


Fano: These guys seem to like repeating "boy, that Holocaust was awful bad, but people wouldn't do such a thing unless they might have deserved it. Or engineered it themselves. I mean, what, I'm just asking questions here and boy isn't it convenient that the Zionists got their own nation out of the slaughter of millions of Jews. That's a pretty crafty plan, let's cut and paste some Zionist quotes to prove it. What, how dare you call me an antisemite for making loaded statements and whistling and looking the other way when called on the implications of those statements?"


I would say that is a bit to generous with Amos. He does blame them.

Davey, however just likes to chime in with his .02. Nothing really offensive about what he says, other than the fact he is often supporting a Nazi supporter (even though int he next breath he labels his ideas as "lunacy").
 
2012-11-08 09:00:54 PM  

liam76: Amos Quito: You're a lying asshat, liar76. Pathetic.

You said: "That means you think the jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust", and then attributed that quote to me.

Typical lying ZioNazi trashcan


Do a wordsearch of that phrase. I will wait.



I went to the source, to YOUR post that YOU linked to above, liam76. Sixth line up from the bottom.

You made shiat up then, and now you're quoting your own bullshiat lies and attributing them to me.

But that's just typical liam76 behavior.


liam76: I didn't say you said that. In fact I preceded it by saying you thought it was "unfair" of me to point out the logical conclusion of your claims.



If I say that a particular house was green, and a certain dog was vicious, that does not give you license to say that I think ALL houses are green and ALL dogs are vicious, but these are typical of the logic gymnastics you constantly resort to in your pathetic attempts at character assassination.


liam76: Now I know it is a difficult dance for you to support all your Nazi BS without coming out and saying it, but lets try not to make up shiat that is easily quotable in the same thread.


LOL!


liam76: I would say that is a bit to generous with Amos. He does blame them.


I blame who for what, exactly?


liam76: Davey, however just likes to chime in with his .02. Nothing really offensive about what he says, other than the fact he is often supporting a Nazi supporter



I must assume that when you say "Nazi supporter", you are referring (however stupidly) to me, no?


liam76: (even though int he next breath he labels his ideas as "lunacy").



He labels MY ideas as "lunacy"?

Let's bump back up the thread and see exactly what he said, shall we?

David: "One might as well say Hitler and the Nazis were unconscious, unwitting "useful idiots" of what was then the extreme wing of Zionism; it certainly worked out that way eventually, though claiming Nazism was a Zionist conspiracy is lunacy."

Forgive my asking, but are you perchance implying that I have claimed that "Nazism was a Zionist Conspiracy"?

Or is this just one of the countless lies that you pull out of your ass and plop steaming onto the keyboard, liam76?
 
2012-11-09 06:31:49 AM  

Amos Quito: liam76: Amos Quito: You're a lying asshat, liar76. Pathetic.

You said: "That means you think the jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust", and then attributed that quote to me.

Typical lying ZioNazi trashcan


Do a wordsearch of that phrase. I will wait.


I went to the source, to YOUR post that YOU linked to above, liam76. Sixth line up from the bottom.

You made shiat up then, and now you're quoting your own bullshiat lies and attributing them to me.

But that's just typical liam76 behavior.


So when you did a word search you found the underlined in my post, yes or no?
Are you too dishonest to answer that one?
Really simple question. Very straightforward.
And this is your second time lying about it.
After I very clearly underlined where what I said differs from what you lied about me saying.
I wonder if you are going to triple down on your lies, or just ignore this? Normally you just ignore it when you are caught in blatant lies, but this new Amos who lies about quotes in the same thread they are in is a bit more pathetic than the old one, so who knows.


Just in case you want to triple down on your lies, I will break it down for you to make your lies more apparent for anyone else who like to waste their time pointing out your nazi BS.

Your claim :

You said: "That means you think the jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust", and then attributed that quote to me. :

What I actually said.

And one of my favorites, where he says Israel wouldn't have been possible without the holocaust, that Jews in general and Zionists in particular have been behind the events that made Israel possible, and thinks it is unfair for me to point out that means he thinks Jews in general and Zionists in particular are behind the holocaust (of course he is fine saying they are behind "stirring up the trouble and inter-ethnic strife that CULMINATED in the Holocaust").


See the difference? I never attributed that quote to you, I pointed out it is the logical conclusion of your BS claims. Lying about things that can be found in a simple word search is beneath you, stick to dancing around with cherry picked lines, ignoring inconvenient historical facts, posting pictures that support Nazi propaganda, and best of all refusing to answer direct questions



Amos Quito: If I say that a particular house was green, and a certain dog was vicious, that does not give you license to say that I think ALL houses are green and ALL dogs are vicious, but these are typical of the logic gymnastics you constantly resort to in your pathetic attempts at character assassination.


Yeah too bad that has nothing to do with what you said. If you said the people in that green house would never be there unless they won the lottery, and then you said the dog was behind the events that made buying that house possible, the dog would have been behind winning the lottery.

Amos Quito: Forgive my asking, but are you perchance implying that I have claimed that "Nazism was a Zionist Conspiracy"?


Zionist conspiracy, caused by zionists, what is the difference? Said, no, supported, yes.
 
2012-11-09 09:30:17 AM  

liam76: Amos Quito: liam76: Amos Quito: You're a lying asshat, liar76. Pathetic.

You said: "That means you think the jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust", and then attributed that quote to me.

Typical lying ZioNazi trashcan


Do a wordsearch of that phrase. I will wait.


I went to the source, to YOUR post that YOU linked to above, liam76. Sixth line up from the bottom.

You made shiat up then, and now you're quoting your own bullshiat lies and attributing them to me.

But that's just typical liam76 behavior.

So when you did a word search you found the underlined in my post, yes or no?



Why yes, YES I DID - right where I said I found it - ON THE PAGE YOU LINKED TO EARLIER:

"That means you think the jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust"

Sixth line up from the bottom of that post.

In fact, that phrase appears no less than 10 times in that thread, the first time at the bottom of this post.

Click it, dick.


liam76: Are you too dishonest to answer that one?
Really simple question. Very straightforward.
And this is your second time lying about it.
After I very clearly underlined where what I said differs from what you lied about me saying.



OMG! The lulz... the lulz... THE LULZ!

You keep me in stitches, liam76.


liam76: Amos Quito: liam76: Amos Quito: You're a lying asshat, liar76. Pathetic.

You said: "That means you think the jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust", and then attributed that quote to me.

Typical lying ZioNazi trashcan


Do a wordsearch of that phrase. I will wait.


I went to the source, to YOUR post that YOU linked to above, liam76. Sixth line up from the bottom.

You made shiat up then, and now you're quoting your own bullshiat lies and attributing them to me.

But that's just typical liam76 behavior.

So when you did a word search you found the underlined in my post, yes or no?
Are you too dishonest to answer that one?
Really simple question. Very straightforward.
And this is your second time lying about it.
After I very clearly underlined where what I said differs from what you lied about me saying.
I wonder if you are going to triple down on your lies, or just ignore this? Normally you just ignore it when you are caught in blatant lies, but this new Amos who lies about quotes in the same thread they are in is a bit more pathetic than the old one, so who knows.


Just in case you want to triple down on your lies, I will break it down for you to make your lies more apparent for anyone else who like to waste their time pointing out your nazi BS.

Your claim : You said: "That means you think the jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust", and then attributed that quote to me. :

What I actually said.

And one of my favorites, where he says Israel wouldn't have been possible without the holocaust, that Jews in general and Zionists in particular have been behind the events that made Israel possible, and thinks it is unfair for me to point out that means he thinks Jews in general and Zionists in particular are behind the holocaust (of course he is fine saying they are behind "stirring up the trouble and inter-ethnic strife that CULMINATED in the Holocaust").


See the difference? I never attributed that I never attributed that quote to you, I pointed out it is the logical conclusion of your BS claims



Oh, wait... I get it, You're not actually CLAIMING that I EVER said that "Jews in general and Zionists in particular are behind the holocaust", you're just saying that you THINK that I must THINK that "Jews in general and Zionists in particular are behind the holocaust ", based on leaps of "logic" and shiat pulled out of your ass.

In fact, you're admitting here that I have never said anything of the sort, and that your whole rant has been based on the products of your warped, paranoid imagination.

Isn't that right?

Well, why did you just SAY SO, liam76?

Again, here is the post where you ORIGINALLY said "That means you think the jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust", and here is the post that you linked to to "PROVE" that I think that "jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust".

Of course anyone (besides you) who actually read that post would immediately see that I made no implication that "jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust", and that your whole assertion that I do think such things is ludicrous. So either you're a liar or a paranoid schizophrenic lunatic.

Which is it?

So, do I think it is unfair for YOU to point out that I think Jews in general and Zionists in particular WERE behind the holocaust???

No, I don't think its "unfair", I think it's DISHONEST, and any way you slice it, you're lying, lad.

Now run along and take your meds. Behave and your mommy may give you a cookie.
 
2012-11-09 10:01:07 AM  
Oh, and as to the validity of your logical cartwheels, it seems I addressed it quite well on day one:

Amos Quito, 2012-06-26 09:12:40 PM

QUOTE:

Amos Quito: How many times do you need to see this material before you finally "get it"?

liam76: The only one here who doesn't get it is you. In one breath you say Israel was all because of zionists and in the next you say it needed Hitler (and presumably the Holocaust) to get average jews on board.

This only makes sense if you think the Zionists were behind Hitler/the Holocaust.



Amos Quito: Baby Bush and his band of Nasty NeoCons said/implied that Saddam Hussein was involved with 9/11 and had WMD's (all lies), and used this as an excuse to invade Iraq.

According to your line of reasoning, BushCo must therefor be behind 9/11.

Isn't that right?

END QUOTE

Now go ask your mommy for that cookie, liam76:
 
2012-11-09 10:50:08 AM  

Amos Quito: liam76: Amos Quito: liam76: Amos Quito: You're a lying asshat, liar76. Pathetic.

You said: "That means you think the jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust", and then attributed that quote to me.

Typical lying ZioNazi trashcan


Do a wordsearch of that phrase. I will wait.


I went to the source, to YOUR post that YOU linked to above, liam76. Sixth line up from the bottom.

You made shiat up then, and now you're quoting your own bullshiat lies and attributing them to me.

But that's just typical liam76 behavior.

So when you did a word search you found the underlined in my post, yes or no?


Why yes, YES I DID - right where I said I found it - ON THE PAGE YOU LINKED TO EARLIER:

"That means you think the jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust"

Sixth line up from the bottom of that post.

In fact, that phrase appears no less than 10 times in that thread, the first time at the bottom of this post.

Click it, dick.


liam76: Are you too dishonest to answer that one?
Really simple question. Very straightforward.
And this is your second time lying about it.
After I very clearly underlined where what I said differs from what you lied about me saying.


OMG! The lulz... the lulz... THE LULZ!

You keep me in stitches, liam76.


liam76: Amos Quito: liam76: Amos Quito: You're a lying asshat, liar76. Pathetic.

You said: "That means you think the jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust", and then attributed that quote to me.

Typical lying ZioNazi trashcan


Do a wordsearch of that phrase. I will wait.


I went to the source, to YOUR post that YOU linked to above, liam76. Sixth line up from the bottom.

You made shiat up then, and now you're quoting your own bullshiat lies and attributing them to me.

But that's just typical liam76 behavior.

So when you did a word search you found the underlined in my post, yes or no?
Are you too dishonest to answer that one?
Really simple question. Very straightforward.
And this is your second time lying about it.
After I very clearly underlined where what I said differs from what you lied about me saying.
I wonder if you are going to triple down on your lies, or just ignore this? Normally you just ignore it when you are caught in blatant lies, but this new Amos who lies about quotes in the same thread they are in is a bit more pathetic than the old one, so who knows.


Just in case you want to triple down on your lies, I will break it down for you to make your lies more apparent for anyone else who like to waste their time pointing out your nazi BS.

Your claim : You said: "That means you think the jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust", and then attributed that quote to me. :

What I actually said.

And one of my favorites, where he says Israel wouldn't have been possible without the holocaust, that Jews in general and Zionists in particular have been behind the events that made Israel possible, and thinks it is unfair for me to point out that means he thinks Jews in general and Zionists in particular are behind the holocaust (of course he is fine saying they are behind "stirring up the trouble and inter-ethnic strife that CULMINATED in the Holocaust").


See the difference? I never attributed that I never attributed that quote to you, I pointed out it is the logical conclusion of your BS claims


Oh, wait... I get it, You're not actually CLAIMING that I EVER said that "Jews in general and Zionists in particular are behind the holocaust", you're just saying that you THINK that I must THINK that "Jews in general and Zionists in particular are behind the holocaust ", based on leaps of "logic" and shiat pulled out of your ass.

In fact, you're admitting here that I have never said anything of the sort, and that your whole rant has been based on the products of your warped, paranoid imagination.

Isn't that right?

Well, why did you just SAY SO, liam76?

Again, here is the post where you ORIGINALLY said "That means you think the jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust", and here is the post that you linked to to "PROVE" that I think that "jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust".

Of course anyone (besides you) who actually read that post would immediately see that I made no implication that "jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the holocaust", and that your whole assertion that I do think such things is ludicrous. So either you're a liar or a paranoid schizophrenic lunatic.

Which is it?

So, do I think it is unfair for YOU to point out that I think Jews in general and Zionists in particular WERE behind the holocaust???

No, I don't think its "unfair", I think it's DISHONEST, and any way you slice it, you're lying, lad.

Now run along and take your meds. Behave and your mommy may give you a cookie.


On the phone so I can't go through and quote your derp point by poin.

Pretty pathetic to hang your hat on that lie again.

You aren't too dumb to know the difference between "that means you think x" and directly attributing "x" to you.

Not surprised you skipped the dog analogy, ignoring the truth is much more up your alley.
 
2012-11-09 10:55:27 AM  

Amos Quito: Oh, and as to the validity of your logical cartwheels, it seems I addressed it quite well on day one:

Amos Quito, 2012-06-26 09:12:40 PM

QUOTE:

Amos Quito: How many times do you need to see this material before you finally "get it"?

liam76: The only one here who doesn't get it is you. In one breath you say Israel was all because of zionists and in the next you say it needed Hitler (and presumably the Holocaust) to get average jews on board.

This only makes sense if you think the Zionists were behind Hitler/the Holocaust.


Amos Quito: Baby Bush and his band of Nasty NeoCons said/implied that Saddam Hussein was involved with 9/11 and had WMD's (all lies), and used this as an excuse to invade Iraq.

According to your line of reasoning, BushCo must therefor be behind 9/11.

Isn't that right?

END QUOTE

Now go ask your mommy for that cookie, liam76:


Too bad that analogy has absolutely nothing in common with what we are talking about.
 
2012-11-09 06:29:16 PM  

liam76: On the phone so I can't go through and quote your derp point by poin.

Pretty pathetic to hang your hat on that lie again.


What lie? When you say "he thinks Jews in general and Zionists in particular are behind the holocaust" your intent is to try to convince others that I have said this, when in fact you know damn well that I have in fact said nothing of the sort. Your tactics are lowbrow attempts at character assassination.


liam76: You aren't too dumb to know the difference between "that means you think x" and directly attributing "x" to you.



So you finally admit that I have said no such thing, and that you have been a lying asshat in thread after thread after thread.

How nice.


/And your dog analogy was stupid
 
2012-11-10 09:49:30 AM  

Amos Quito: What lie? When you say "he thinks Jews in general and Zionists in particular are behind the holocaust" your intent is to try to convince others that I have said this, when in fact you know damn well that I have in fact said nothing of the sort. Your tactics are lowbrow attempts at character assassination.



Really?

And one of my favorites, where he says Israel wouldn't have been possible without the holocaust, that Jews in general and Zionists in particular have been behind the events that made Israel possible, and thinks it is unfair for me to point out that means he thinks Jews in general and Zionists in particular are behind the holocaust (of course he is fine saying they are behind "stirring up the trouble and inter-ethnic strife that CULMINATED in the Holocaust").

If I was trying to convince others you have said that, would I say the underlined?

And yes you never said it. Just like you never said "the jews declared war on Germany", but you are more than happy to post pictures that support that lie.


Amos Quito: So you finally admit that I have said no such thing, and that you have been a lying asshat in thread after thread after thread.


Finally?

I have said the entire time you don't have the balls to admit the logical conclusion to your statements.


Amos Quito: /And your dog analogy was stupid


It was stupid, almost as stupid as your theories on Jews and WWII. But you brought it up.

If you say C couldn't have possible without B, and A was behind the events that made C possible. Then you think A was behind B.
 
2012-11-10 06:49:53 PM  

liam76: Amos Quito: What lie? When you say "he thinks Jews in general and Zionists in particular are behind the holocaust" your intent is to try to convince others that I have said this, when in fact you know damn well that I have in fact said nothing of the sort. Your tactics are lowbrow attempts at character assassination.


Really?

And one of my favorites, where he says Israel wouldn't have been possible without the holocaust, that Jews in general and Zionists in particular have been behind the events that made Israel possible, and thinks it is unfair for me to point out that means he thinks Jews in general and Zionists in particular are behind the holocaust (of course he is fine saying they are behind "stirring up the trouble and inter-ethnic strife that CULMINATED in the Holocaust").

If I was trying to convince others you have said that, would I say the underlined?

And yes you never said it. Just like you never said "the jews declared war on Germany", but you are more than happy to post pictures that support that lie.


Amos Quito: So you finally admit that I have said no such thing, and that you have been a lying asshat in thread after thread after thread.

Finally?

I have said the entire time you don't have the balls to admit the logical conclusion to your statements.



I state facts as I see them, citing impeccable sources, and you, finding yourself unable to form a cogent counter argument, draw conclusions that are often based on Olympic leaps of "logic". You would do well to do a bit of research to counter my points (if that is indeed possible), but you would rather parrot the absurd claims about what YOU think I must think according to the whims of your fantasies.


liam76: If you say C couldn't have possible without B, and A was behind the events that made C possible. Then you think A was behind B.



Let's test that:

Sally is pregnant with Jim's baby (C), and this couldn't have been possible without her having sex with Jim (B). As Sally's Sunday school teacher introduced Jim to Sally (A), liam76's "logical conclusion" is that the Sunday School teacher was behind Sally's pregnancy.

Sounds like a great Fark headline.
 
2012-11-10 09:56:02 PM  
Is this the part of the thread where Amos Quito is very clear to indicate the precise limits of his explicit anti-semitism and repeatedly demands everyone stop putting words in his mouth, even when they are quoting him?

Because I really like his "whoa, whoa there mister, I never said that the Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves. I'm just saying, 'well why do bad things always seem to happen to those cheap assholes? Also, not saying it proves anything, but here are some quotes by a Zionist that states that the Holocaust was the best thing that ever happened for Israel."
 
2012-11-10 10:50:39 PM  

Fano: Is this the part of the thread where Amos Quito is very clear to indicate the precise limits of his explicit anti-semitism and repeatedly demands everyone stop putting words in his mouth, even when they are quoting him?

Because I really like his "whoa, whoa there mister, I never said that the Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves. I'm just saying, 'well why do bad things always seem to happen to those cheap assholes? Also, not saying it proves anything, but here are some quotes by a Zionist that states that the Holocaust was the best thing that ever happened for Israel."


It is amazing how his mind works, and a bit sad as well.
 
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