It's a Zionist crocodile, bred to bite and kill only Muslims.

FTA: "The crocodile was originally brought into the blockaded Gaza Strip through a smuggling tunnel linking the territory to neighboring Egypt."

Wait, you can't bring a crocodile for a zoo into Gaza without smuggling it through a tunnel?

I thought this blockade / siege thing was supposed to be about "security". This sounds more like collective punishment to me.

Maybe we should urge our newly reelected president to somehow convince the Israelis not to be such asshats?



/Just a thought
//Terrorism?
///What a croc!

Amos Quito: FTA: "The crocodile was originally brought into the blockaded Gaza Strip through a smuggling tunnel linking the territory to neighboring Egypt."

Wait, you can't bring a crocodile for a zoo into Gaza without smuggling it through a tunnel?

I thought this blockade / siege thing was supposed to be about "security". This sounds more like collective punishment to me.

Maybe we should urge our newly reelected president to somehow convince the Israelis not to be such asshats?



/Just a thought
//Terrorism?
///What a croc!

Well, if you've ever heard the song "Battle of New Orleans", you'd realize that crocodilians can be weaponized by resourceful rapscallions.

This thread is quickly turning into a crock of shiat.

Can crocodiles be circumcised?

Obviously they're not kosher.

Amos Quito: FTA: "The crocodile was originally brought into the blockaded Gaza Strip through a smuggling tunnel linking the territory to neighboring Egypt."

Wait, you can't bring a crocodile for a zoo into Gaza without smuggling it through a tunnel?

I thought this blockade / siege thing was supposed to be about "security". This sounds more like collective punishment to me.

Maybe we should urge our newly reelected president to somehow convince the Israelis not to be such asshats?



/Just a thought
//Terrorism?
///What a croc!

Or maybe the Egyptians will decide to tear down the steel and concrete wall they built and reduce the need for smuggling tunnels. After all, they do have a common language, common religion, common ethnicity, and a common enemy with most of the folks living in the Gaza Strip.

iblamethejewsforthis.jpg

Either way, it's one less reptilian to worry about for relieved Gazans.

give me doughnuts: Amos Quito: FTA: "The crocodile was originally brought into the blockaded Gaza Strip through a smuggling tunnel linking the territory to neighboring Egypt."

Wait, you can't bring a crocodile for a zoo into Gaza without smuggling it through a tunnel?

I thought this blockade / siege thing was supposed to be about "security". This sounds more like collective punishment to me.

Maybe we should urge our newly reelected president to somehow convince the Israelis not to be such asshats?



/Just a thought
//Terrorism?
///What a croc!

Or maybe the Egyptians will decide to tear down the steel and concrete wall they built and reduce the need for smuggling tunnels.


Yeah, maybe they will.

Now that the Usraeli puppet Mubarak is gone, maybe Egypt will start behaving humanely, and stop schlepping water for Israel.

Of course, that move might be considered and act of war by the Zionist Regime - but right now Bibi is looking pretty weak.

/Seems he backed the wrong horse

machoprogrammer: iblamethejewsZIONISTSforthis.jpg


FTFY.

Jews=/=Zionists

85% of Israeli "Americans" voted for Romney

70% of US Jews voted for Obama

Never forget!

give me doughnuts: It's a Zionist crocodile, bred to bite and kill only Muslims.


Zionist crocodile? I thought that it was supposed to be the LION of Zion!

/Torn between "Zionist Crocodile" and "Crocodile in a Gazan Sewer" for the name of my new reggae band

ciberido: give me doughnuts: It's a Zionist crocodile, bred to bite and kill only Muslims.


Zionist crocodile? I thought that it was supposed to be the LION of Zion!

/Torn between "Zionist Crocodile" and "Crocodile in a Gazan Sewer" for the name of my new reggae band

There were "Zionist Sharks" in the Red Sea a couple of years ago. Mossad sent them to disrupt the Sinai tourist trade. This follows the "Zionist Rat" attacks in West Jerusalem, and the "Zionist Squirrel" and "Zionist Pigeon" spies in Iran.

Now I'm imagining all of the animal agents from "Phineas and Ferb" with yarmulkes instead of fedoras.

Vey iz mir!

Gaza policemen said they've captured a crocodile that's been on the lam since fleeing a zoo two years ago.

How fast can they run?

Dr Dreidel: Amos Quito: machoprogrammer: iblamethejewsZIONISTSforthis.jpg


FTFY.

Jews=/=Zionists

85% of Israeli "Americans" voted for Romney

70% of US Jews voted for Obama

Never forget!

That first cite doesn't say anything about 85% of anyone doing anything. Assuming you pasted the wrong link,


Yep, wrong link. Sorry. Here's the right one.

QUOTE: "In stark contrast, exit polls of absentee ballots in Israel show that some 85% of American Jews living in Israel voted for Mitt Romney."


Dr Dreidel: Assuming you pasted the wrong link, what did you mean? People with dual citizenship? People born in Israel now living in the US?


See the bolded above.


Dr Dreidel: And why, if they voted (meaning they're Americans) would you put them in quotation marks?


Because, IMO, their passports may be American, but in their hearts they are Zionist Israelis. The skew of their voting pattern would seem to confirm this.


Dr Dreidel: Do foreign-born American voters need a special designation beyond American?


These are not foreign-born, but expats.


Dr Dreidel: Are you implying that they are less American (well, you are, but are you doing it intentionally)?


Yes, and yes.

The US and Israel have divergent interests. When "Americans" place the interests of the latter over the former, I consider them to be "less American".


/No offense!

moviemarketing:

i>Gaza policemen said they've captured a crocodile that's been on the lam since fleeing a zoo two years ago.

How fast can they run?

How fast would it have to? Why would it bother going far, either? Crocodiles eat rats, which as you know are common in all kinds of tunnels, along with just about anything else that happens by while it's laying there.

Imagine a parade of bacon passing by your bed. Add a creek of vodak and a brain too small to care if you "voided" on yourself and voila! Paradise!

(When you've got unlimited bacon and booze who needs virgins? They'd just get in the way.)

84% of Holmes County Florida "Americans" voted for Romney, too. Do they have "divergent interests"?

The One True TheDavid: Can crocodiles be circumcised?

Obviously they're not kosher.

Sure? I thought it was the cloven hoof that marked not-kosher. They have claws so should be ok.

Of course, I'm no expert on the bible or animal feet.

give me doughnuts: 84% of Holmes County Florida "Americans" voted for Romney, too. Do they have "divergent interests"?


Read this article and get back to me:

PM to ministers: Don't talk about Obama

Amos Quito:

The US and Israel have divergent interests. When "Americans" place the interests of the latter over the former, I consider them to be "less American".

This is what sensible, rational, patriotic Americans actually believe!!!

And not only Israel: the same would go for France, Congo, India, even Canada. But of course pointing out that -- along with Israel -- France, Congo, India and Canada have interests divergent from the USA (or for that matter Malaysia and Mozambique) reveals me to be a raging anti-semite bent on shoving evety Jew everywhere into any oven anywhere, so like whatever.

It's got more to do with the problem of the nation-state than anybody's religion or ethnicity or the foreign and domestic policies of any given government. And it will persist until the Reptilians in black helicopters force everybody to join UNESCO, or something.

Actually, this is one of the problems "One World Communist Government" would solve. Only when every "special interest" is equally powerless will the world know peace.

That said, the Israeli government is especially fond of exploiting "dual loyalties." Cf. Yoni Pollard, e.g.

imtheonlylp:

Lemme at 'em.
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/not sure if anyone will get this

Don't you have a pipe to unclog, Norton?

Amos Quito: give me doughnuts: 84% of Holmes County Florida "Americans" voted for Romney, too. Do they have "divergent interests"?


Read this article and get back to me:

PM to ministers: Don't talk about Obama

I read the article about the folks voting from Israel. It mentioned absolutely nothing about the motivations of the voters. And the other article was about the Israeli P.M. talking to people in the Israeli government. Still nothing about the motivations (or "divergent interests") of the ex-pat Americans living in Israel.

Do you have anything other than pure speculation?

By the way, it's at least theoretically possible for the USA to be spied on by Canada or Belgium, say, but we never hear about such things. Is it because it never happens. because spies from "friendly" countries don't get caught, or is it just so unimportant as to be beneath mention?

What about alligators?

Dr Dreidel:

And the Republicans who need Jews to control Israel so that when Jesus comes back there's a target for him to laze with his god-sight to destroy the heathen infidels before rapturing the believers to heaven - the ones that blindly support Israel (far more than even the 2% of the population that is Jewish and with 70% of those voters going Obama, far more than Obama-voting Jews+American Jews in Israel), are they similarly non-American?

Yes. They're unpatriotic and un-American, even anti-American and treasonous. It doesn't matter WHY you serve another nation-state's interests -- whether for money, ideology, or shiats-&-giggles -- it only matters that you do. Again it's intrinsic to the nature of nation-states: no true citizen puts any other government's interest over one's own.

A corollary is that every sovereign nation-state is assumed to be competing with every other. Even a puppet government (Bulgaria to the USSR) or a subsidiary one (Virginia to the US) might also compete on whatever terms it can: a Russian agent serving Bulgaria in Moscow would be a traitor, while a states' rights advocate in DC would be a "neo-Nazi."

You've heard of Robespierre, right? And read Schama and Arendt, perhaps? So either you've missed an elementary fact or you're just being silly.

TheGogmagog: The One True TheDavid:

Can crocodiles be circumcised?

Obviously they're not kosher.

Sure? I thought it was the cloven hoof that marked not-kosher. They have claws so should be ok.

The cud, they do not chew it. Both must be true. And cloven hooves are not claws: compare a sheep's feet to a crocs and you'll see the difference.

What's Israel go to do wiht this? It's a crocodile. From the Nile. Like in that song.

Dr Dreidel:

They're as American as George Farking Washington - moreso, even (Georgie wasn't born in the US).

George Washington was born on their Pope's Creek Estate near present-day Colonial Beach in Westmoreland County, Virginia (link). Of course the USA did not exist till 25 years later, but as soon as it did Westmoreland County, VA became one of its constituent parts.

Your idiocy is head-spinning.

Dr Dreidel: You may not have meant any, but it was there. So, some taken, but not enough that it matters.


I had written a long reply, but deleted it.

This is a thread about a crocodile who was returned to captivity in a land that is being held under siege. The discussion has gone too far off topic, and would be better discusses in a different thread.

I think you can see why I consider ANYONE who calls himself an "American" while placing the interests of a foreign nation above those of his own is "less than American", but it seems that because the nation in question is THAT nation, you took it personally, and have gotten your feathers ruffled.


/Bibi tried to meddle in the US election
//He gambled big, and lost
///Now he has to worry about repercussions

What I have learned in this thread:

1) Voting for Romney is pro-Zionist and anti-American

2) Resourceful rapscallions can weaponize reptiles

3) Crocodiles in sewers believe they are living in bacon rich vodak streams

Amos Quito: Yes, and yes.

The US and Israel have divergent interests. When "Americans" place the interests of the latter over the former, I consider them to be "less American".

You used those special quotes for all Jews using absentee ballots in Israel.

Odd that you can tell simply by being in Israel they are placing the interests of Israel above those of America.

Any other countries you have that special standard for?

Amos Quito and The One True TheDavid are right. Dr Dreidel and give me donuts are wrong. QED

Amos Quito: This is a thread about a crocodile who was returned to captivity in a land that is being held under siege elected a group that has removing all the jews from Israel in their charter and that actively funds people to launch rockets at civilian targets. The discussion has gone too far off topic, and would be better discusses in a different thread.

FTFY.

liam76: Amos Quito: Yes, and yes.

The US and Israel have divergent interests. When "Americans" place the interests of the latter over the former, I consider them to be "less American".

You used those special quotes for all Jews using absentee ballots in Israel.

Odd that you can tell simply by being in Israel they are placing the interests of Israel above those of America.


American Jews living in America: 70% Obama
American Jews living in Israel: 85% Romney

That's quite a spread, don't you think?

Add to this the well known fact that Bibi worked his butt off to meddle with the US election to try to get Obama out of office and replace him with a chump that he felt he could "move very easily, move it in the right direction", and it's all quite obvious.

Or perhaps you have another explanation for the difference in the votes here an there? 


/Bibi gambled big and lost
//I Hope Obama can find it in his heart to forgive him

All right, who blew his cover?

Dr Dreidel:

Dr Dreidel: And the Republicans who need Jews to control Israel so that when Jesus comes back there's a target for him to laze with his god-sight to destroy the heathen infidels before rapturing the believers to heaven - the ones that blindly support Israel (far more than even the 2% of the population that is Jewish and with 70% of those voters going Obama, far more than Obama-voting Jews+American Jews in Israel), are they similarly non-American?

Me in response: Yes. They're unpatriotic and un-American, even anti-American and treasonous. It doesn't matter WHY you serve another nation-state's interests -- whether for money, ideology, or shiats-&-giggles -- it only matters that you do. Again it's intrinsic to the nature of nation-states: no true citizen puts any other government's interest over one's own.

Then Dr Dreidel: You have to keep reading. The part where people think that having Israel as an ally is a good thing may be what motivates them to support Israel may have some bearing on the discussion. They're not putting the interests of another country ABOVE America's, they're saying that what is good for Israel is good for America [emphasis added].

I disagree, but that's why we hold elections.

Again you don't get it: the interests of one nation-state, in this case the USA, are separate from and essentially incommensurate with the interests of ANY other. A patriot supports what is good for one's own country, period.

These people you speak of have it backward: an American patriot would say that Israel should support America's interests, which is imperialist for an American but treasonous for an Israeli. What's good for Israel qua Israel doesn't count much, strictly speaking, and in ANY divergence of interests that of America ALWAYS comes first. An American patriot would turn Israel into a smouldering ruin if the interest of America required it, rather than changing American policy to favor Israel more than our own country.


Amos Quito: I think you can see why I consider ANYONE who calls himself an "American" while placing the interests of a foreign nation above those of his own is "less than American", but it seems that because the nation in question is THAT nation, you took it personally, and have gotten your feathers ruffled.

Dr Dreidel responding: Again, *I* don't blindly support Israel. I think that Israel is a good ally to have, but I can spend all day recounting the dumb/wrongheaded/in-hindsight-probably-not-good things Israel has done in just my lifetime. To those that do, it may not be that they like Israel more, it may be that they think American and Israeli interests are very similar.

The proof is in the pudding: when the chips are down "a man cannot serve two masters." Jonathan Pollard was a traitor against the sovereignty of the USA; If the US goverbment wanted the Israelis to have that information it would have supplied it on its own.

On the other hand even that scum-sucker Henry Kissinger was a "realist" who saw in Israel a valuable subordinate ally of the USA and supported Israel when it served US interests -- and made the US' policy that US interests outrank Israeli ones even in Israel itself clear to the Israeli government.

Under Kissinger's advice the Nixon administration miscalculated a bit concerning the Yom Kippur War, which led to the Energy Crisis of the 1970s and subsequent US over-intervention in the Middle East, but he meant to honor the US-Israel alliance in a way that benefitted the US more than Israel: the Nixon administration gave valuable help to Israel that enabled Israel to win the war, but the US did not enter the war itself nor did it risk spreading the little war into a big one involving the USA and the USSR.

I say that even so the USA following Kissinger's advice was a tad too generous with Israel in 1973, which took 30 farking years of misery at home and especially elsewhere to recoup from. (Unless one believes that the Bush II adminstration was a Saudi pawn, of course.)

I say that rather than ensure an Israeli victory the USA should have enforced an immediate cease fire by both sides "or else," and then done whatever was required with US interests in mind. Even let Israel be harmed or smack Israel itself.

But anyway. A US patriot would prefer nuking Israel to disadvantaging the USA. There should be no question of that, either in his own mind or in the mind of any intelligent and sane Israeli.

And again, this is implicit in the nature of the nation-state itself. If you think it should not be that way, and by the way I say it shouldn't, then you might join me in supporting a "One World Government." (Which I say should distribute power and resources in a communistic manner, though very different from how the USSR did things.)


The One True TheDavid: Of course the USA did not exist till 25 years later

Dr Dreidel: [thatsabingo.jpg]

Again your "point" is silly: George Washington was a "native born citizen" in the sense of the U.S. Constitution, that is he was born in the then-colony of Virginia, in what was even then called America, which became part of the United States of America as soon as there was a USA. (King George disagreed but we won that war.) That's very different from his being born in Belgium or Kenya, as even you must recognize. The anachronism you point out is irrelevant.

On the other hand I can't think of an Israeli Prime Minister who was a "native born" Israeli: they weren't even born in "the Middle East" but in Europe, most (IIRC) in what was then the (Tsarist) Russian Empire. One need not agree with Helen Thomas' advice for the Jews to go home to Poland or Germany (etc.) to admit that no head of the Israeli government has been an Israeli in the sense that George Washington was an American. (So THERE. Neener neener neener!) 

To get back on topic (sort of), if the Gazans would request to (re-?) join Egypt then there would be no legitimate need for smuggling tunnels that a crocodile might get into. As things are now, I suggest "the concert of Powers" should make Hamas stand down and then make Israel and Egypt then open their borders with Gaza to the movement of goods and persons.

One is meant to infer from that that, as I don't support Obama but regard many of those who hate him as (unpatriotic) raving psychos (who would gladly disadvantage America to spite Obama), I likewise don't support the Israeli government's policies (relevant to Gaza and so on) but also regard Hamas as raving psychos (who harm America's interests at least as much as they do Israel's). 

That is, for the good of America (and perhaps Israel's also, coincidentally) Hamas must be crushed and another regime instituted in the Gaza Strip that does not disadvantage the USA. (And yes, there are forces in the world, even in "the Middle East," that are worse for America than Israel, in case -- because I cannot write for toffee -- I have not made that clear enough already.)

So. Anyway. Where in Maryland? Close enough to, if I ever do get "home" in the spring, join me at Leon's or the Mt. Royal Tavern for a drink? (I'll even drink Rolling Rock if you buy it.)

Amos Quito: liam76: Amos Quito: Yes, and yes.

The US and Israel have divergent interests. When "Americans" place the interests of the latter over the former, I consider them to be "less American".

You used those special quotes for all Jews using absentee ballots in Israel.

Odd that you can tell simply by being in Israel they are placing the interests of Israel above those of America.


American Jews living in America: 70% Obama
American Jews living in Israel: 85% Romney

That's quite a spread, don't you think?

Add to this the well known fact that Bibi worked his butt off to meddle with the US election to try to get Obama out of office and replace him with a chump that he felt he could "move very easily, move it in the right direction", and it's all quite obvious.

Or perhaps you have another explanation for the difference in the votes here an there? 


/Bibi gambled big and lost
//I Hope Obama can find it in his heart to forgive him

Yeah I do, but I am not going to play into the normal amos tactic. Answer my question.

Why you think any American in Israel automatically puts Israel first, and if there are any other countries that allow you to make that call about Americans?

I am sure you are going to dance around and pretend that isn't what you did, but here you are putting Americans in "quotes", and here you are explaining that yes you did it because you think they are less American. When you put them in quotes you made no distinction about who they voted for, you put the entire group in those quotes because you think they are less American.

.

Amos Quito:

/Bibi gambled big and lost
//I Hope Obama can find it in his heart to forgive him

I hope Obama has him shot. Or that he has a major stroke as Sharon did, or that YHWH drops an air conditioner on his head (if I'm wrong and there is a YHWH after all). Or something. But then I'm weird (and sometimes not very nice).

cgraves67: Amos Quito: FTA: "The crocodile was originally brought into the blockaded Gaza Strip through a smuggling tunnel linking the territory to neighboring Egypt."

Wait, you can't bring a crocodile for a zoo into Gaza without smuggling it through a tunnel?

I thought this blockade / siege thing was supposed to be about "security". This sounds more like collective punishment to me.

Maybe we should urge our newly reelected president to somehow convince the Israelis not to be such asshats?



/Just a thought
//Terrorism?
///What a croc!

Well, if you've ever heard the song "Battle of New Orleans", you'd realize that crocodilians can be weaponized by resourceful rapscallions.

fill their heads with cannon balls and powder their behind?

/military tactics