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2012-11-07 09:16:02 AM
Thank you, Question 7, for taking the focus and derp off of Question 6.
 
2012-11-07 09:17:12 AM
Also, congratulations to Maine, which not only just upheld marriage like in Maryland, but actually overturned a law banning gay marriage to become the very first state in the entire United States to do so. Congratulations Mainers!

Also, good job Minnesotans and hurrah for Washingtonians!
 
2012-11-07 09:25:01 AM
This Canuckian yawns at a national level.
 
2012-11-07 09:33:40 AM
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/proud Marylander
 
2012-11-07 09:48:25 AM
The first time a referendum has approved gay marriage. Amazing. Maryland, I'm impressed, and jealous.
 
2012-11-07 09:49:15 AM

oldfarthenry: This Canuckian yawns at a national level.


Yes, yes. You're so much more socially progressive and civilized than we are.
 
2012-11-07 10:00:54 AM
The intense red state/blue state divide on this appears to make it almost inevitable that the Supreme Court is going to have to take up on of the DOMA challenges.
 
2012-11-07 10:03:11 AM

Sybarite: The intense red state/blue state divide on this appears to make it almost inevitable that the Supreme Court is going to have to take up on of the DOMA challenges.


I believe they've already said they were planning to do that. Not sure.
 
2012-11-07 10:05:06 AM

Sybarite: The intense red state/blue state divide on this appears to make it almost inevitable that the Supreme Court is going to have to take up on of the DOMA challenges.


What I'd actually like to see from that:
SCOTUS says DOMA is DOA - states can't decide to pick-and-choose which licenses they honor from which other states. But states can still (until the 30th Amendment passes, protecting marriage equality) deny marriage licenses/rights if they want. If you got married in MD, you're still married in TX, but you can't get married in TX.

I wish states would just up and say "Screw it, marriage for everyone", but we all know that won't happen. So it'll be piecemeal (and hopefully, the "compromise" above - or even just more states coming online with equality - spurs further action) until it's taken care of at the Federal level.

// or SCOTUS might decide that equality really does apply to everyone
// wouldn't hold my breath for that, barring some sea change in the Derp States between now and when it hits the bench
 
2012-11-07 10:11:48 AM

Cythraul: The first time a referendum has approved gay marriage. Amazing. Maryland, I'm impressed, and jealous.


Actually that title goes to Maine since it was called first.
 
2012-11-07 10:20:43 AM

WTF Indeed: Cythraul: The first time a referendum has approved gay marriage. Amazing. Maryland, I'm impressed, and jealous.

Actually that title goes to Maine since it was called first.


And I like Maine's better; they actually overturned their gay marriage ban, not just voted to uphold gay marriage.
 
2012-11-07 10:28:19 AM
Yes, but can Pippin marry Merry?
 
2012-11-07 10:32:32 AM

xanadian: Yes, but can Pippin marry Merry?


I would think it'd most likely be Sam marrying Frodo.
 
2012-11-07 10:33:14 AM
What I find interesting is that this went through the courts, this went through the executive branch, this went through the legistlature, and finally it went through a popular vote. I haven't paid attention to what other states have done with this, but MD chewed this up in every possible way and it came to this conclusion... I am not sure what the SCOTUS could say about that.

I'm not of the Family but I'm friend of Family, so I am very happy about this. I will be baking bread for and raising toasts for some friends because of this. It's about damn time those bastards / biatches suffered like us straights!

Good luck!

Also, I'm investing heavily in cake designers in Annapolis, but that has NOTHING to do with my support for this measure. :D
 
2012-11-07 10:39:16 AM
I went out to vote for 6 really. I knew my vote for Obama was not needed, and I live in blue areas for Congress and such. But I had to go to vote for gay marriage. I couldn't consider myself pro-gay marriage and not do it. How could I talk to my gay friends and acquaintances later and say "Sorry man, didn't vote."
 
2012-11-07 10:39:54 AM
Maine had a big night. We brought back same sex marriage, and we tossed the gop house and senate to surround our t-bagger govenor LePage with democrats.

It make me happy. Not as happy if we had let same sex marriage stay on the books in 2010, but we moving in the right direction. No we're gonna have to fight it's repeal in 2 years, so it's not over yet

//Citizen's initiative is a double edge sword.
 
2012-11-07 10:43:34 AM

WTF Indeed: Cythraul: The first time a referendum has approved gay marriage. Amazing. Maryland, I'm impressed, and jealous.

Actually that title goes to Maine since it was called first.


Pfft ... whatever. Washington says: have you ever gotten gay married ... ON WEED?
 
2012-11-07 10:45:20 AM

OtherLittleGuy: Thank you, Question 7, for taking the focus and derp off of Question 6.


Thank Allah that the farking Question 7 ads will now stop. They were relentless.
 
2012-11-07 10:45:32 AM

Publikwerks: Maine had a big night. We brought back same sex marriage, and we tossed the gop house and senate to surround our t-bagger govenor LePage with democrats.

It make me happy. Not as happy if we had let same sex marriage stay on the books in 2010, but we moving in the right direction. No we're gonna have to fight it's repeal in 2 years, so it's not over yet

//Citizen's initiative is a double edge sword.


Word! We also keep another math-challenged Norguist fellater out of the Senate and gave the seat to a moderate, but this time one unencumbered by Republican political priorities.
 
2012-11-07 10:48:32 AM
I have never seen the polls that packed in Maryland. People weren't there for Obama as it is a foregone conclusion that he'd get our electoral votes. I assume they were excited to give orphaned gay table games discounted State college rates.
 
2012-11-07 10:48:38 AM
assets.nydailynews.com

You in Maryland. Put some flowers on this guy's grave. He's buried in Arlington. Gay as gay can be, a LGBT activist in the Army when DADT was in full power. KIA on second tour in Iraq. Blown to bits while on foot patrol. Awarded two Bronze Stars and Purple Heart.

The day after his funeral in Arlington, the Pentagon Intelligence crowd used their own computers to try to delete all mention of Rogers' homosexuality on his personal wiki page.

He wasn't too gay to die for his fellow citizens that hated him and his kind. But he was too gay to be allowed to marry his love. 

farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2012-11-07 10:48:40 AM
No love for Washington?
 
2012-11-07 10:48:59 AM
Let the "marriage sucks, marriage for everyone" renting begin. Or should I say, you heterosexuals didn't take good enough care of marriage so us gays can trample all over it.
 
2012-11-07 10:50:40 AM

Proteios1: Let the "marriage sucks, marriage for everyone" renting begin. Or should I say, you heterosexuals didn't take good enough care of marriage so us gays can trample all over it.


Yes, but we'll do it in a fabulous way.

Fabulous!
 
2012-11-07 10:51:52 AM
Antidamascus:

I went out to vote for 6 really. I knew my vote for Obama was not needed, and I live in blue areas for Congress and such. But I had to go to vote for gay marriage. I couldn't consider myself pro-gay marriage and not do it. How could I talk to my gay friends and acquaintances later and say "Sorry man, didn't vote."

Well, you sort of *have* to vote if you're not entirely jellyfish-ish. In my area, I have to vote in the non-presidential years just to keep the Dominionists off of the local schoolboards so that they don't create a new generation of people who would vote us back to the 12th century.
 
2012-11-07 10:55:09 AM
Voted for it.

/thank goodness the question 7 ads will stop. They spent more on it then the previous 4 governor races combined.
 
2012-11-07 11:07:30 AM

Publikwerks: and we tossed the gop house and senate to surround our t-bagger govenor LePage with democrats.


What? I missed that.
 
2012-11-07 11:08:12 AM
About damn time.
 
2012-11-07 11:12:51 AM

oldfarthenry: This Canuckian yawns at a national level.


You still have sweater guy with kittens as a PM. You need to change that.
 
2012-11-07 11:20:38 AM
She said Mary(land) is the rarest gem, and she's the wildest flower,
I'll make my Mary(land) merrier with every passing hour.
So I cast a certain ballot, and as soon as it was through-
I said "Your Mary(land) loves you, lass", and she said "Mary(land) who?"

// apologies to Mary Prankster
 
2012-11-07 11:22:36 AM

xanadian: Publikwerks: and we tossed the gop house and senate to surround our t-bagger govenor LePage with democrats.

What? I missed that.


Yup, check out Bangor Daily News. 21-13 Senate, 84-60 House
 
2012-11-07 11:34:32 AM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: He wasn't too gay to die for his fellow citizens that hated him and his kind. But he was too gay to be allowed to marry his love.


I sincerely hope that equality for all is what they've all been truly fighting for. That means gays too. Anyone who says otherwise either doesn't understand what equality means, or has political and/or religious reasons for being a dick.
 
2012-11-07 11:36:12 AM
Dr DreideL:

She said Mary(land) is the rarest gem, and she's the wildest flower,
I'll make my Mary(land) merrier with every passing hour.
So I cast a certain ballot, and as soon as it was through-
I said "Your Mary(land) loves you, lass", and she said "Mary(land) who?"

// apologies to Mary Prankster


You need work black-eyed-susans in there somehow.
 
2012-11-07 11:41:00 AM
Made me think of this traditional Irish song:

Mary Mack's mother's making Mary Mack marry me,
My mother's making me marry Mary Mack.
I'm gonna marry Mary so my Mary will take care O' me,
We'll all be feeling merry when I marry Mary Mack.

Now there's a nice wee lass and her name is Mary Mack,
Make no mistake she's the girl I gonna take,
And a lot of other fella's would get upon her track,
but I'm thinkin' they'll have to get up early.

Now this wee lass she has a lot of cash,
She has a lot of brass...her father thinks I'm gas,
I'd be a silly ass to let the matter pass,
Her father thinks she suits me very fairly.

Now Mary and her mother gang an awful lot together,
In fact you hardly ever she the one without the other,
And all the fella's wonder is it Mary or her mother,
Or both of them together that I'm courtin'.

Now the weddin' day 's on Wednesday and everthing's arranged,
Her name will soon be changed to mine unless her mind be changed,
I'm making the arrangements I'm just about derranged
For marriage is an awful undertaking
 
2012-11-07 11:41:06 AM
This is also called he full employment act for family lawyers: wills, adoptions, just about most things that people associate with lawyers. Funny how the economy gets a little boost when elements of repression go away.
 
2012-11-07 11:49:02 AM

Dr Dreidel: or SCOTUS might decide that equality really does apply to everyone

I'm pretty sure they did that. It was a pretty famous case. Something about separate institutions being inherently unequal. If I could just remember what it was...

Crown v Sword? Nah...one of the parties was a color...

Black v Ford? No, that doesn't make sense....what WAS it...

Red v Moor? No....

Ah! I remember now!

Brown v Board! That's it. Loosely, the court ruled that public schools could not discriminate on the basis of race, even if - and this is the important part for this particular case - "the physical facilities and other "tangible" factors of white and Negro schools may be equal." Just as important, the actual opinion written by Chief Justice Warren (availible here and here, with a brief on the case here) specifically referenced the psychological harm of segregation, which - along with the inability to collect federal benefits of marriage - is part of the argument for the legalization of marriage equality.
 
2012-11-07 11:51:12 AM
Between the state votes on marriage, Tammy Baldwin winning, and even the fact that a guy whose day job is as a gay rights activist won a state house race in the middle of traditionally red central Florida, I don't think the right can keep insisting that the majority of the country is on the side of bigotry anymore.
 
2012-11-07 11:54:33 AM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: [assets.nydailynews.com image 485x367]

You in Maryland. Put some flowers on this guy's grave. He's buried in Arlington. Gay as gay can be, a LGBT activist in the Army when DADT was in full power. KIA on second tour in Iraq. Blown to bits while on foot patrol. Awarded two Bronze Stars and Purple Heart.

The day after his funeral in Arlington, the Pentagon Intelligence crowd used their own computers to try to delete all mention of Rogers' homosexuality on his personal wiki page.

He wasn't too gay to die for his fellow citizens that hated him and his kind. But he was too gay to be allowed to marry his love. 

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 245x429]


Real heroes are straight and hide in France during a war.
 
2012-11-07 11:55:09 AM
rynthetyn:

Between the state votes on marriage, Tammy Baldwin winning, and even the fact that a guy whose day job is as a gay rights activist won a state house race in the middle of traditionally red central Florida, I don't think the right can keep insisting that the majority of the country is on the side of bigotry anymore.

You misunderestimate certain people's ability to stretch.
 
2012-11-07 12:01:35 PM

friday13: Dr Dreidel: or SCOTUS might decide that equality really does apply to everyone
I'm pretty sure they did that. It was a pretty famous case. Something about separate institutions being inherently unequal. If I could just remember what it was...

Crown v Sword? Nah...one of the parties was a color...

Black v Ford? No, that doesn't make sense....what WAS it...

Red v Moor? No....

Ah! I remember now!

Brown v Board! That's it. Loosely, the court ruled that public schools could not discriminate on the basis of race, even if - and this is the important part for this particular case - "the physical facilities and other "tangible" factors of white and Negro schools may be equal." Just as important, the actual opinion written by Chief Justice Warren (availible here and here, with a brief on the case here) specifically referenced the psychological harm of segregation, which - along with the inability to collect federal benefits of marriage - is part of the argument for the legalization of marriage equality.


Except that DOMA says it doesn't. The sticky part is that the Constitution says that states honor each others' licenses, etc in accordance with rules of Congress. SCOTUS can say that Congress makes the rules, so they can't be wrong. "Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof."

Hence my compromise - states can still decide for themselves which licenses, etc they ISSUE, not which ones they'll HONOR. (Though a strict reading of the FF&C clause says the states are under no such burden.) The problem comes when you stack Loving v Virginia* in there (marriage is a civil right) and the successful Circuit challenges to DOMA that have struck Section 3. Assuming SCOTUS doesn't rule against those Circuit findings en masse, my suggestion at least has the semblance of keeping states in control of some of their licenses, etc while also affording FF&C protections to couples wed in 21st-century states.

*Not to be confused with McLovin v Vagina, a case which that plaintiff will never win.
 
2012-11-07 12:02:57 PM

xanadian: Yes, but can Pippin marry Merry?


I think it will be a looooong time before they allow gay marriage in the Shire.

They'll have to move to Rivendell.
 
2012-11-07 12:03:51 PM
Proud to be living in Baltimore because of this. Congrats to ME as well, hopefully other states will follow suit soon.
 
2012-11-07 12:05:14 PM
I have never been more proud of my home state.
 
2012-11-07 12:05:24 PM

Publikwerks: It make me happy. Not as happy if we had let same sex marriage stay on the books in 2010, but we moving in the right direction. No we're gonna have to fight it's repeal in 2 years, so it's not over yet


I don't know that the rump Maine Tea Partiers would get much outside support for putting it back on the ballot in two years.

Simply put, putting it on the ballot draws young liberal voters out. Yes, it draws fundies out too. It turns out they're in the minority.

They want a low-turnout under-the-radar midterm. That's the best chance of picking back some seats in Augusta. Another gay-marriage referendum means a higher-turnout midterm.
 
2012-11-07 12:07:23 PM
Proud to be moving to Maryland. Hoorah.
 
2012-11-07 12:26:00 PM

Cythraul: I believe they've already said they were planning to do that. Not sure.


There are a number of cases concerning DOMA up at the Supreme Court. They will decide in a couple of weeks if they take any of them up.
 
2012-11-07 12:30:43 PM
I am honestly not sure I would have registered but for this. Hugely happy today. And yay on the Dream Act too!
 
2012-11-07 12:32:31 PM
Thanks to Obama and the NAACP, Maryland's heavy black population voted for marriage equality! Oh yeah, and we won Washington, Minnesota, and Maine too. Plus, Iowa's justice who ruled in favor of equality there survived his recall attempt, and the Dems retained control of the IA senate, ensuring no rescinding of gay marriage there.

With all that and Obama winning, not a good day to be a bigot. Time to go out and celebrate! Anyone know a good restaurant I can eat at? I think I'm in the mood for chicken.
 
2012-11-07 12:35:34 PM

gingerjet: Cythraul: I believe they've already said they were planning to do that. Not sure.

There are a number of cases concerning DOMA up at the Supreme Court. They will decide in a couple of weeks if they take any of them up.


I would be very surprised if they decided not to take one of them. I guess it would be in our favor if they didn't.
 
2012-11-07 12:42:46 PM
Proud to say I voted for Question 6 in Maryland.
 
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