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2012-11-07 03:44:20 PM  

abhorrent1: [t3.gstatic.com image 254x199] 

There I fixed it


Came here for this.

A piece of electrical tape over the camera and suddenly there is nobody in the room.

FREE MOVIES!
 
2012-11-07 03:49:07 PM  
This was on my list of list of things if I ever fell into a couple Billion dollars.....run around and either think up and patent or buy the patents for all ideas that are just blatent attempts to use 1984 as a guide just so no one else could ever use it.

In other words a patent troll company but on the side of good.
 
2012-11-07 03:59:58 PM  

robohobo: Seems like a good thread to ask this, sorry for the jack. Does anyone have a suggestion for a decent mini-micro pc for use as a media center? Able to run full HD/basic internet use? Something I can attach a big ole multi-TB hard drive to...


I just built an ridiculously overpowered desktop for gaming that can also handle media for the entire house.

I can stream media to my xbox or a laptop, download media torrents, burn media and play a game all at once if necessary. Actually with the power of modern computers the real limiting factor on my system is the router which I corrected with DD-wrt but could have corrected by buying a better router which you should be ready to do before installing third party firmware on your router anyway since there is a definite possibility that you can brick it.
 
2012-11-07 04:01:44 PM  
Tape this
img3.etsystatic.com
to this
z.about.com

and mount on the camera.

/substitute the picture as necessary not to be charge for additional viewers.
 
2012-11-07 04:12:15 PM  

Egoy3k: robohobo: Seems like a good thread to ask this, sorry for the jack. Does anyone have a suggestion for a decent mini-micro pc for use as a media center? Able to run full HD/basic internet use? Something I can attach a big ole multi-TB hard drive to...

I just built an ridiculously overpowered desktop for gaming that can also handle media for the entire house.

I can stream media to my xbox or a laptop, download media torrents, burn media and play a game all at once if necessary. Actually with the power of modern computers the real limiting factor on my system is the router which I corrected with DD-wrt but could have corrected by buying a better router which you should be ready to do before installing third party firmware on your router anyway since there is a definite possibility that you can brick it.


Up until now I've just been streaming through my ps3, which works okay enough except my laptop is a few years old and had trouble streaming HD. It's far past time to have something dedicated just for media use-streaming, torrents, old console emulating, etc.. I don't need a new laptop itself, since all I really need it for is internet, excel, and ftp'ing for work. I want a tuner, since I don't pay for cable, I have rabbit ears attached to my hdtv, which work perfectly, but I'd like to be able to dvr. Last time I built a pc from parts, Windows 95 was all the rage.
 
2012-11-07 04:15:59 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: sasbazooka: I kinda had a feeling they were going this way. I know it's paranoia, but I disconnect my kinect when not using it.

I feel the same way, but I walk up to it and spread my cheeks wide to give them a good view of the brown eye. Hopefully if they spo any polips they'll shoot me an email or Xbox message

DoBeDoBeDo,

We noticed a small mass forming on your rectal tissue, you might want to get that checked out.

The Microsoft Team


bwahahaha! i was thinking of just sitting there butt naked, 335LBS of ugly old hairy love they can admire as i gum down another Klondike Bar and scratch my naughty bits. maybe i'll go on eBay and get a Ventriloquists dummy just to fark with them.
 
2012-11-07 04:18:39 PM  

Porous Horace: Has anyone hooked up a kinect so that it can control a porn movie (or some kind of simulation) by "watching" the person who's masturbating?
Or go beyond that and control house appliances, etc.


I would not want to control my appliances with masturbating. The poor blender!
 
2012-11-07 04:19:27 PM  

robohobo: Seems like a good thread to ask this, sorry for the jack. Does anyone have a suggestion for a decent mini-micro pc for use as a media center? Able to run full HD/basic internet use? Something I can attach a big ole multi-TB hard drive to...


Second-hand mac mini off eBay - new enough so it's got HDMI out. Slap XBMC on that puppy and Tada!
 
2012-11-07 04:20:39 PM  
There's a pretty good reason I never bought one of those cameras from 1984.

'6079 Smith W.! Yes, you! Bend lower, please! You can do better than that. You're not trying. Lower, please! That's better, comrade. Now stand at ease, the whole squad, and watch me.'
 
2012-11-07 04:25:43 PM  
I've found this build guide, and with the addition of a tuner card, and the power supply he mentioned, and a different case, since I'd like to go as small as possible, it seems like it might be a good deal.
 
2012-11-07 04:28:28 PM  

cman: sasbazooka: I kinda had a feeling they were going this way. I know it's paranoia, but I disconnect my kinect when not using it.

Microsoft wont do it. They may have patented it, but they never will execute it. Consumers re not going to buy that kind of product with all the aval options open to them.


HEY! HERE YOU ARE! Didn't see you over in the politics tab today.
 
2012-11-07 04:36:15 PM  
Update: From a Microsoft spokesperson: "Microsoft regularly applies for and receives patents as part of its business practice. Not all patents applied for or received will be incorporated into a Microsoft product."

Which is bs, if you get a patent on something you should have to use it or lose it. Nice of them to admit they are patent trolls though.
 
2012-11-07 05:00:52 PM  

sasbazooka: I kinda had a feeling they were going this way. I know it's paranoia, but I disconnect my kinect when not using it.


Why not just turn it around the face the wall?
 
2012-11-07 05:01:19 PM  
Problem solved...

i.imgur.com


...who watches PPV off of cable? I don't even stream any more. The Internet Service That Shall Not Be Named provides all my movie leeching needs, without all the blacklist/proxy/subpoena BS of using torrents.
 
2012-11-07 05:08:53 PM  
Sorry, it's against my religion.
 
2012-11-07 05:12:34 PM  

physt: cman: sasbazooka: I kinda had a feeling they were going this way. I know it's paranoia, but I disconnect my kinect when not using it.

Microsoft wont do it. They may have patented it, but they never will execute it. Consumers re not going to buy that kind of product with all the aval options open to them.

HEY! HERE YOU ARE! Didn't see you over in the politics tab today.


You havent been paying attention, then
 
2012-11-07 05:17:04 PM  

robohobo: Seems like a good thread to ask this, sorry for the jack. Does anyone have a suggestion for a decent mini-micro pc for use as a media center? Able to run full HD/basic internet use? Something I can attach a big ole multi-TB hard drive to...


Easiest thing to do is buy a Samsung Blu-Ray player that has "AllShare". It will play your HD (1080p no problem) content in any format you throw at it (yes, even MKV). They can be had for $50 (at least that's what I paid for a couple last year).

I have a media server set up in my home, and the Blu-ray players are networked to access the DLNA server, so I don't even need to hook up a drive. If you do hook it into your network, you can also to Netflix, Hulu, etc... too. My Blu-ray players have rarely seen an actual DVD or BD disc, LOL.
 
2012-11-07 05:17:25 PM  
Am I gonna get in trouble for not cleaning off the sensors when the dust builds up?

I am not a fan of cleaning.
 
2012-11-07 05:18:26 PM  

LesserEvil: robohobo: Seems like a good thread to ask this, sorry for the jack. Does anyone have a suggestion for a decent mini-micro pc for use as a media center? Able to run full HD/basic internet use? Something I can attach a big ole multi-TB hard drive to...

Easiest thing to do is buy a Samsung Blu-Ray player that has "AllShare". It will play your HD (1080p no problem) content in any format you throw at it (yes, even MKV). They can be had for $50 (at least that's what I paid for a couple last year).

I have a media server set up in my home, and the Blu-ray players are networked to access the DLNA server, so I don't even need to hook up a drive. If you do hook it into your network, you can also to Netflix, Hulu, etc... too. My Blu-ray players have rarely seen an actual DVD or BD disc, LOL.


HTPC's are overrated. All one needs is a Roku or Apple TV.

Apple TV is my choice. With airplay, holy shiat, it is awesome.tt
 
2012-11-07 05:28:47 PM  
fark you, Microsoft.

nothingtoserious.com
 
2012-11-07 06:03:03 PM  
Gordon Bennett, I already made that joke.
 
2012-11-07 06:19:14 PM  

tomcatadam: Additionally, when is this process going to run? It's not going to be happening during the whole movie, but anything less than that would be exploitable, which is to say nothing of the simple task of blotting out all or part of the cameras.


The studio accepted keepalive for a DRM is once every thirty seconds.

Running checks for DRM violations already exist in most Blu-ray, DVD, and Ultraviolet players. Some of them are computationally intense. You just don't know it because the common things that violate the rules cause the whole system to fail anyway.
 
2012-11-07 06:25:41 PM  

ReverendJasen: sasbazooka: I kinda had a feeling they were going this way. I know it's paranoia, but I disconnect my kinect when not using it.

Why not just turn it around the face the wall?


still picks up audio
 
2012-11-07 06:26:44 PM  

LesserEvil: robohobo: Seems like a good thread to ask this, sorry for the jack. Does anyone have a suggestion for a decent mini-micro pc for use as a media center? Able to run full HD/basic internet use? Something I can attach a big ole multi-TB hard drive to...

Easiest thing to do is buy a Samsung Blu-Ray player that has "AllShare". It will play your HD (1080p no problem) content in any format you throw at it (yes, even MKV). They can be had for $50 (at least that's what I paid for a couple last year).

I have a media server set up in my home, and the Blu-ray players are networked to access the DLNA server, so I don't even need to hook up a drive. If you do hook it into your network, you can also to Netflix, Hulu, etc... too. My Blu-ray players have rarely seen an actual DVD or BD disc, LOL.


Thanks, I've been trying to find an alternative to PS3 forever
 
2012-11-07 06:29:50 PM  

cman: sasbazooka: I kinda had a feeling they were going this way. I know it's paranoia, but I disconnect my kinect when not using it.

Microsoft wont do it. They may have patented it, but they never will execute it. Consumers re not going to buy that kind of product with all the aval options open to them.


People will give up any number of rights to access the things they want, even if it means giving up personal ownership in exchange for a license.

I hate to say it but it's happening now.
 
2012-11-07 06:51:40 PM  

cman: LesserEvil: robohobo: Seems like a good thread to ask this, sorry for the jack. Does anyone have a suggestion for a decent mini-micro pc for use as a media center? Able to run full HD/basic internet use? Something I can attach a big ole multi-TB hard drive to...

Easiest thing to do is buy a Samsung Blu-Ray player that has "AllShare". It will play your HD (1080p no problem) content in any format you throw at it (yes, even MKV). They can be had for $50 (at least that's what I paid for a couple last year).

I have a media server set up in my home, and the Blu-ray players are networked to access the DLNA server, so I don't even need to hook up a drive. If you do hook it into your network, you can also to Netflix, Hulu, etc... too. My Blu-ray players have rarely seen an actual DVD or BD disc, LOL.

HTPC's are overrated. All one needs is a Roku or Apple TV.

Apple TV is my choice. With airplay, holy shiat, it is awesome.tt


If you want free hulu or something else you can't use those.

Intel i7 on a micro ATX seems to fit. Unless you want to play graphically intensive games then no need for the i7 but it will be bigger.
 
2012-11-07 06:59:25 PM  

bingo the psych-o: even if it means giving up personal ownership in exchange for a license.


Can you give me even one example of a product where people have given up ownership in favor of a license? Keep in mind that for any type of media, all you've ever owned, at most, is the container the media comes in.

All that's been done lately is the physical form has been severed from the media. They did so because people increasingly don't want the physical container. So instead of buying a CD filled with music you're licensed to use, you just get the music directly. Same thing with videos and books and software, etc.
 
2012-11-07 07:14:11 PM  

PirateKing: Interesting. DRM that can be defeated by the simple expedient of turning the camera around.

They'll classify bits of cardboard and scotch tape as 'hacking tools'.

/can I get a pro-rated refund on the licenses if I have no friends to watch with?


Not entirely unheard of. There was a audio CD Copy protection scheme called Cactus Data Shield that could be defeated with a Sharpie. Of course, they couldn't go after Sharpies themselves, but I believe they did try to stop the dissemination of the method, playing whack-a-mole with the takedown notices. One of the earlier absurd mis-uses of the DMCA.
 
2012-11-07 07:33:04 PM  

Honest Bender: bingo the psych-o: even if it means giving up personal ownership in exchange for a license.

Can you give me even one example of a product where people have given up ownership in favor of a license? Keep in mind that for any type of media, all you've ever owned, at most, is the container the media comes in.

All that's been done lately is the physical form has been severed from the media. They did so because people increasingly don't want the physical container. So instead of buying a CD filled with music you're licensed to use, you just get the music directly. Same thing with videos and books and software, etc. the product is worthless

 
2012-11-07 07:33:18 PM  
Oh yes punishing your paying customers makes so much sense.
 
2012-11-07 08:01:06 PM  

Honest Bender: Can you give me even one example of a product where people have given up ownership in favor of a license? Keep in mind that for any type of media, all you've ever owned, at most, is the container the media comes in.


You owned a copy of the media. A copy that you could use a million times, backup, format shift to use on another device, or sell back to a new&used store. This is what the license granted, either explicitely or via fair use.

Now, the "license" for new formats is a different story. It can be use-limited, time-limited, location-limited, non-transferable, and revoked instantly without recorse by the grantor.
 
2012-11-07 08:09:33 PM  

Loreweaver: red5ish: If and when something of this nature is implemented you may choose to opt out by not purchasing or using it.

Which means you will never be permitted to watch a TV show or movie EVER again, nor will you be allowed to listen to music, play video games, and will not be allowed to sit in any vehicle equipped with a stereo and/or video system.

If the RIAA and MPAA have their way, all forms of entertainment will be tightly controlled by their laws, and anyone who does not give in to their demands will be thrown in jail, or will no longer be legally able to function in society, since you won't be legally allowed to possess any device which isn't tied directly into their per-viewer fee system.


That's a big if. You've named two industry groups that are struggling to cling to what are rapidly becoming obsolete business models. I don't share your hypothetical dystopian view of future nor do I think it would be tolerated by consumers.
 
2012-11-07 08:28:12 PM  

rpm: MrEricSir: rpm: wildcardjack: I think this system could be hacked with a little picture box or diorama in front of the Kinect.

A diorama that also radiates IR?

It's not like IR LEDs are expensive. Unless you shop at RadioShack, of course.

That radiates IR in something that fools image detection that works in IR and Vis? Yeah, not cheap.


Where do you get the idea the subject needs to emit IR? The Kinect projects an IR pattern and then analyzes the deformation of that structured light gain the depth data. Most of the facial recognition probably comes off the plain old camera component. A painted wig head would fool it just fine.

A tiny diorama wouldn't because the min range is... I forget exactly, but I want to say 2-3 meters.

Nah, the way to fool it is to just roll a USB device that lies about it's vendor and product and feeds the 360 a dataset of a lonely guy on a couch.
 
2012-11-07 08:29:25 PM  
Our asinine patent and legal systems have caused this. Now every company is coming up with every asinine idea they can think of and filing a patent. Its throwing stuff at a wall and seeing what sticks.

No more patents for crap you haven't yet invented.
 
2012-11-07 08:49:49 PM  
Ahoy, matey.
 
2012-11-07 08:50:33 PM  

Creepy Lurker Guy: Gordon Bennett, I already made that joke.


Bah. So you did. That's what I get for not reading the thread carefully.

You win this time, Creepy Lurker Guy
 
2012-11-07 09:33:48 PM  
Microsoft Tech Support?

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-07 09:39:29 PM  
As long as you make costumes like the one RDjr wore at the end of Sherlock Holmes:Game of Shadows to blend into the chair, you'll be fine.

"Bob, it's your turn to dress like the chair. Sorry, I can't afford more charges."
 
2012-11-08 12:02:06 AM  
blogs-images.forbes.com

We have ALWAYS been at war with Eurasia! 

//Mark my words! And we will do it voluntarily!
 
2012-11-08 12:02:33 AM  

ReverendJasen: You owned a copy of the media. A copy that you could:

use a million times

You can't use a digital copy n times? News to me. I guess I better listen to my music collection sparingly, then.

backup
My backup disagrees. Even my kindle books are backed up locally.

format shift to use on another device
Do you have any examples here? Because all of my digital media goes on whatever device I want it to.

or sell back to a new&used store.
I've always been a bit of a digital hoarder. YMMV, but I really see this as a non-issue. I guess you'll just have to learn to be content not selling your stuff for pennies on the dollar :-/

This is what the license granted, either explicitely or via fair use.
Fair use still applies. Go read up on it, though it's a rather complex issue. Of note, however, is the fact that "fair use" applies to copyrighted works. Not copyrighted works that were delivered on physical media.
 
2012-11-08 12:53:11 AM  

Honest Bender: ReverendJasen: You owned a copy of the media. A copy that you could:

use a million times
You can't use a digital copy n times? News to me. I guess I better listen to my music collection sparingly, then.

backup
My backup disagrees. Even my kindle books are backed up locally.

format shift to use on another device
Do you have any examples here? Because all of my digital media goes on whatever device I want it to.

or sell back to a new&used store.
I've always been a bit of a digital hoarder. YMMV, but I really see this as a non-issue. I guess you'll just have to learn to be content not selling your stuff for pennies on the dollar :-/

This is what the license granted, either explicitely or via fair use.
Fair use still applies. Go read up on it, though it's a rather complex issue. Of note, however, is the fact that "fair use" applies to copyrighted works. Not copyrighted works that were delivered on physical media.


If the bookstore doesn't like what you're doing with their books, they can't come to your house, take/destroy all the books you've purchased, and give you no compensation.
 
2012-11-08 01:00:41 AM  
www.uline.com
 
2012-11-08 01:21:43 AM  

ProfessorOhki: Honest Bender: ReverendJasen: You owned a copy of the media. A copy that you could:

use a million times
You can't use a digital copy n times? News to me. I guess I better listen to my music collection sparingly, then.

backup
My backup disagrees. Even my kindle books are backed up locally.

format shift to use on another device
Do you have any examples here? Because all of my digital media goes on whatever device I want it to.

or sell back to a new&used store.
I've always been a bit of a digital hoarder. YMMV, but I really see this as a non-issue. I guess you'll just have to learn to be content not selling your stuff for pennies on the dollar :-/

This is what the license granted, either explicitely or via fair use.
Fair use still applies. Go read up on it, though it's a rather complex issue. Of note, however, is the fact that "fair use" applies to copyrighted works. Not copyrighted works that were delivered on physical media.

If the bookstore doesn't like what you're doing with their books, they can't come to your house, take/destroy all the books you've purchased, and give you no compensation.


Yet.
 
2012-11-08 08:55:14 AM  

ProfessorOhki: If the bookstore doesn't like what you're doing with their books, they can't come to your house, take/destroy all the books you've purchased, and give you no compensation.


... No one can do that with my ebooks, either. Or did you miss the part where I back up my ebooks?
 
2012-11-08 10:10:48 AM  
Egoy3k


Yeah as icky as this patent makes me feel I agree with this statement. Nobody would stand for that.
4 years ago I would have said the same about innocent travelers not standing for allowing themselves and their children groped by h.s. drop out government employees.
 
rpm
2012-11-08 11:26:48 AM  

Honest Bender: ProfessorOhki: If the bookstore doesn't like what you're doing with their books, they can't come to your house, take/destroy all the books you've purchased, and give you no compensation.

... No one can do that with my ebooks, either. Or did you miss the part where I back up my ebooks?


Do you back up the key for decryption (or crack it)? The copy of the DRMed file is useless without the key.

And if you crack it, you're breaking the law.
 
2012-11-08 12:28:02 PM  

rpm: Do you back up the key for decryption (or crack it)? The copy of the DRMed file is useless without the key.


Hmm... It's never been an issue so I'm not sure. I just plug my Kindle into my computer, download the ebooks off, and back them up to my amazon cloud storage :-) if I ever need to put them back on my kindle, I can do so through the amazon cloud services. I've tested it and it worked fine (wipe kindle, upload book).
 
rpm
2012-11-08 12:48:02 PM  

Honest Bender: rpm: Do you back up the key for decryption (or crack it)? The copy of the DRMed file is useless without the key.

Hmm... It's never been an issue so I'm not sure. I just plug my Kindle into my computer, download the ebooks off, and back them up to my amazon cloud storage :-) if I ever need to put them back on my kindle, I can do so through the amazon cloud services. I've tested it and it worked fine (wipe kindle, upload book).


So you're not backing anything up, in effect. Amazon can still easily wipe any of your books at their whim. Unless you can read them on any random device *NOT* using the Kindle software, you haven't backed anything up. So if these were books you've purchased elsewhere (Tor, Baen), you're fine. For stuff you've purchased through Amazon, you haven't backed anything up, and have just wasted time.
 
2012-11-08 02:27:59 PM  

rpm: Amazon can still easily wipe any of your books at their whim.


If amazon decides to wipe a particular book off my kindle I can just push it back on. If their DRM prevents me from doing so, it's trivially easy to strip the DRM. The reason to do this is because if Amazon decides to delete a book from my Kindle and then I find out, it's too late. I no longer have a copy of the data. So I back up all my books. I cannot be deprived of the ability to make use of those books. Ever.
 
2012-11-08 04:58:01 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: ProfessorOhki: Honest Bender: ReverendJasen: You owned a copy of the media. A copy that you could:

use a million times
You can't use a digital copy n times? News to me. I guess I better listen to my music collection sparingly, then.

backup
My backup disagrees. Even my kindle books are backed up locally.

format shift to use on another device
Do you have any examples here? Because all of my digital media goes on whatever device I want it to.

or sell back to a new&used store.
I've always been a bit of a digital hoarder. YMMV, but I really see this as a non-issue. I guess you'll just have to learn to be content not selling your stuff for pennies on the dollar :-/

This is what the license granted, either explicitely or via fair use.
Fair use still applies. Go read up on it, though it's a rather complex issue. Of note, however, is the fact that "fair use" applies to copyrighted works. Not copyrighted works that were delivered on physical media.

If the bookstore doesn't like what you're doing with their books, they can't come to your house, take/destroy all the books you've purchased, and give you no compensation.

Yet.


www.rankopedia.com

Honest Bender: rpm: Amazon can still easily wipe any of your books at their whim.

If amazon decides to wipe a particular book off my kindle I can just push it back on. If their DRM prevents me from doing so, it's trivially easy to strip the DRM. The reason to do this is because if Amazon decides to delete a book from my Kindle and then I find out, it's too late. I no longer have a copy of the data. So I back up all my books. I cannot be deprived of the ability to make use of those books. Ever.


So... what you're saying is you have the all abilities associated with ownership by virtue of going above the licensing terms provide... which is exactly what all of us were complaining about, licensing content not having the similar rights to ownership. I'm glad we're all on the same page.
 
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