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(Fox News)   U.N. says Iran is not cooperating with a probe of suspected secret work on nuclear weapons. In a related announcement, the U.N. says the French have a tendency to be rude   (foxnews.com) divider line 65
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2012-11-07 11:33:49 AM
"...the U.N. says the French have a tendency to be rude"

I had a friend who spent time in France, and she no trouble at all despite not speaking a word of French.

She is however quite the hot-ness.
 
2012-11-07 11:34:59 AM
What a rude person may do. An entire rude nation doing this would be hard to imagine. I'll be in my room.

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2012-11-07 11:36:23 AM
Why the hell should they?
 
2012-11-07 11:43:41 AM

fireclown: Why the hell should they?


I've been wondering about this as well...
 
2012-11-07 11:45:06 AM

fireclown: Why the hell should they?


The threat of another barrage of impotent rhetoric from the US?
 
2012-11-07 11:47:54 AM
 
2012-11-07 11:49:35 AM

ristst: "...the U.N. says the French have a tendency to be rude"

I had a friend who spent time in France, and she no trouble at all despite not speaking a word of French.

She is however quite the hot-ness.



Headline should probably say "Parisians." They're an entirely different kind of French, altogether.
 
2012-11-07 11:49:48 AM
and SMELLY!!!
 
2012-11-07 11:51:20 AM

BigNumber12: Headline should probably say "ParisiansQuebecois." They're an entirely different kind of French, altogether.


That too.
 
2012-11-07 11:51:35 AM
I do believe it is time to quit playing along with stoopidity.
It has not been working out very well.

Turn over a new leaf and when you encounter stupid or it's buttbuddy, dishonesty, kick it in the nutz instead of politely pretending that it makes sense and respecting the crap.

My 90yo Gma can not be redirected w/ strawmen, evasion, lies, diversion, et.al. Right to the guilt w/ a vengance every time. And you tell me our "Best and Brightest" can be snowed by any old con? Bulltweet. Drop the act, get responsible adults in office for a change.
Oh, and take the media playthings away from the criminal shills.
 
2012-11-07 11:54:13 AM

snocone: Turn over a new leaf and when you encounter stupid or it's buttbuddy, dishonesty, kick it in the nutz instead of politely pretending that it makes sense and respecting the crap.


I think this is a generally good rule in life itself. There's too much tolerance of stupidity and insanity. ''Well if that's how you want to do it man..."
 
2012-11-07 11:58:12 AM

BigNumber12: ristst: "...the U.N. says the French have a tendency to be rude"

I had a friend who spent time in France, and she no trouble at all despite not speaking a word of French.

She is however quite the hot-ness.


Headline should probably say "Parisians." They're an entirely different kind of French, altogether.


Headline should probably say "Parisians." They're an entirely different kind of French
 
2012-11-07 12:02:48 PM

fireclown: Why the hell should they?


Because cooperation would result in an IAEA clean inspection report, which would be sweet to rub everyone's nose in.

FTA, "the IAEA continues to verify that Iran's declared nuclear material is not being diverted from peaceful purposes" - and they continue to say all they want is nuclear energy, not weapons. I hate to be all NTH-NTF but in this case, 1) they can prove their innocence by cooperating with IAEA, and 2) they are NPT signatories, so IAEA asking to see something is like police showing up at your door with a very valid warrant. Not cooperating makes them look guilty, which puts them in a position of having LOTS to be afraid of.
 
2012-11-07 12:03:36 PM

sodomizer: snocone: Turn over a new leaf and when you encounter stupid or it's buttbuddy, dishonesty, kick it in the nutz instead of politely pretending that it makes sense and respecting the crap.

I think this is a generally good rule in life itself. There's too much tolerance of stupidity and insanity. ''Well if that's how you want to do it man..."


Agreed....
"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil" - Thomas Mann
 
2012-11-07 12:10:49 PM
It's not going to matter anymore. Israel said they will not sit idly by and do nothing. The Iranian nuclear arms program is either going to be blown to hell and back or turned to slag.
 
2012-11-07 12:11:09 PM
no one cares about a nation of people that fight with their feet and fark with their face.
 
2012-11-07 12:11:44 PM

acidsurfer: fireclown: Why the hell should they?

I've been wondering about this as well...


Because when you sign the NPT and then have or attempt to have Nuclear material you submit to inspections? Yes, even the US allows IAEA inspectors. From the Treaty between the US and the IAEA:

Article 9

(a) (i) The Agency shall secure the consent of the United States to the designation of Agency inspectors to the United States.

(ii) If the United States, either upon proposal of a designation or at any other time after designation has been made, objects to the designation, the Agency shall propose to the United States an alternative designation or designations.

(iii) If, as a result of the repeated refusal of the United States to accept the designation of Agency inspectors, inspections to be conducted under this Agreement would be impeded, such refusal shall be considered by the Board, upon referral by the Director General of the Agency (hereinafter referred to as "the Director General") with a view to its taking appropriate action.
(b) The United States shall take the necessary steps to ensure that Agency inspectors can effectively discharge their functions under this Agreement.

(c) The visits and activities of Agency inspectors shall be so arranged as:

(i) To reduce to a minimum the possible inconvenience and disturbance to the United States and to the peaceful nuclear activities inspected; and

(ii) To ensure protection of industrial secrets or any other confidential information coming to the inspectors knowledge.
 
2012-11-07 12:16:29 PM

DECMATH: fireclown: Why the hell should they?

Because cooperation would result in an IAEA clean inspection report, which would be sweet to rub everyone's nose in.


There is a possibility that they care less about embarrassing their enemies, and more about killing them.

/just sayin'
//there is also a possibility that the people supporting persecution of the stupid and crazy will suddenly start opposing it the first time they make a mistake, and consequently get labeled stupid and/or crazy themselves
 
2012-11-07 12:21:54 PM
Iran must do what Israel the UN US says.
 
2012-11-07 12:23:44 PM
oooooh, I bet Iran is really scared of Obama. Of course they will not cooperate. Obama will do NOTHING to stop Iran from getting a nuke and those crazy mullahs know it.

And the world will be much more dangerous for it. Thank you, Obama Voters!

Go Fark yourselves.

I voted for Romney and I am proud of my vote. Obama will fark this country up even more and it is not my fault.
 
2012-11-07 12:24:41 PM
DECMATH: "cause cooperation would result in an IAEA clean inspection report, which would be sweet to rub everyone's nose in."

Please. The Warmongers would just insist the Iranians spirited away the weapons grade plutonium to hidey holes in the Syrian desert. They're quite reality-resistant.

The correct answer is that they *should* want to cooperate, because the clean report would gut the international consensus to erect/maintain/tighten sanctions. Sanctions which have this nasty tendency to be felt by the people, who won't much like their own government for it. (In this age of information, the average Iranian knows damn well that any impact sanctions have on their own daily life are the direct result of obstinate mullahs. Maybe, before, that wasn't true. But now? Pretty true.) And Iran already has something of a lingering discontent among its people. Particularly after seemingly *everyone else* had more success in the Arab Spring than they did.

Which, ironically perhaps, is exactly why Iran *can't* cooperate. Their remaining support is almost exclusively hard-line. They can't be seen to bow to international pressure, let alone the Great Satan. Taking the rational deal would be like expecting a Tea Party Republican to sign off on any legislation that looked remotely like a compromise on taxes and spending: their own support would evaporate overnight and they'd be out on their ass.

Which is a decidedly messier transition, when you've been running a brutal and oppressive regime.
 
2012-11-07 12:33:27 PM

darkedgefan: oooooh, I bet Iran is really scared of Obama. Of course they will not cooperate. Obama will do NOTHING to stop Iran from getting a nuke and those crazy mullahs know it.

And the world will be much more dangerous for it. Thank you, Obama Voters!

Go Fark yourselves.

I voted for Romney and I am proud of my vote. Obama will fark this country up even more and it is not my fault.


Really??? Starting early, I see. 3/10.
 
2012-11-07 12:35:20 PM

jjorsett: fireclown: Why the hell should they?

The threat of another barrage of impotent rhetoric from the US?


That's our problem. We should use French rudeness to our advantage, and have them craft a barrage of impotent rhetoric. It will make us all feel better.

Except the Iranians, of course, who will have their feelings hurt.
 
2012-11-07 12:39:26 PM

Snarfangel: jjorsett: fireclown: Why the hell should they?

The threat of another barrage of impotent rhetoric from the US?

That's our problem. We should use French rudeness to our advantage, and have them craft a barrage of impotent rhetoric. It will make us all feel better.

Except the Iranians, of course, who will have their feelings hurt.


we could have them fart in their general direction
 
2012-11-07 01:00:12 PM

Smeggy Smurf: It's not going to matter anymore. Israel said they will not sit idly by and do nothing. The Iranian nuclear arms program is either going to be blown to hell and back or turned to slag.


Israel does not have the capability to significantly set back Iran's nuclear program by themselves. They were able to bomb Iraq's Osiraq reactor as that was a single installation and Iraq is much closer than Iran, but Iran's nuclear program is distributed across a large number of sites, many of which are hardened against air attack.

Israel can, however, drop a few bombs in Iran and force Iran to react one way or another, which would almost certainly drag us into the mess whether we want it or not. That's the real danger for us.

It's not even clear that we could do much to stop Iran's program with anything short of a sustained air campaign. If Iran uses the nuclear option that it already has-mining the gulf-then we'll almost certainly have to try, but the costs of that will be horrendous. We'd be better served by shooting Israel's planes down ourselves.
 
2012-11-07 01:04:52 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: acidsurfer: fireclown: Why the hell should they?

I've been wondering about this as well...

Because when you sign the NPT and then have or attempt to have Nuclear material you submit to inspections? Yes, even the US allows IAEA inspectors. From the Treaty between the US and the IAEA:

Article 9

(a) (i) The Agency shall secure the consent of the United States to the designation of Agency inspectors to the United States.

(ii) If the United States, either upon proposal of a designation or at any other time after designation has been made, objects to the designation, the Agency shall propose to the United States an alternative designation or designations.

(iii) If, as a result of the repeated refusal of the United States to accept the designation of Agency inspectors, inspections to be conducted under this Agreement would be impeded, such refusal shall be considered by the Board, upon referral by the Director General of the Agency (hereinafter referred to as "the Director General") with a view to its taking appropriate action.
(b) The United States shall take the necessary steps to ensure that Agency inspectors can effectively discharge their functions under this Agreement.

(c) The visits and activities of Agency inspectors shall be so arranged as:

(i) To reduce to a minimum the possible inconvenience and disturbance to the United States and to the peaceful nuclear activities inspected; and

(ii) To ensure protection of industrial secrets or any other confidential information coming to the inspectors knowledge.




Thank you.. That is a pretty good answer.

/why can't you guys be more like him/her?
 
2012-11-07 01:05:49 PM

darkedgefan: oooooh, I bet Iran is really scared of Obama. Of course they will not cooperate. Obama will do NOTHING to stop Iran from getting a nuke and those crazy mullahs know it.


You crazy? NOBODY likes dropping bombs on brown people like Obama.
 
2012-11-07 01:07:32 PM

DECMATH: fireclown: Why the hell should they?

Because cooperation would result in an IAEA clean inspection report, which would be sweet to rub everyone's nose in.

FTA, "the IAEA continues to verify that Iran's declared nuclear material is not being diverted from peaceful purposes" - and they continue to say all they want is nuclear energy, not weapons. I hate to be all NTH-NTF but in this case, 1) they can prove their innocence by cooperating with IAEA, and 2) they are NPT signatories, so IAEA asking to see something is like police showing up at your door with a very valid warrant. Not cooperating makes them look guilty, which puts them in a position of having LOTS to be afraid of.


Don't bother.

Facts don't matter in cases like this.

You will get the normal scum blaming this on Israel.


Too late.

Deep Contact: Iran must do what Israel the UN US says.

 
2012-11-07 01:12:55 PM

toraque: Israel does not have the capability to significantly set back Iran's nuclear program by themselves. They were able to bomb Iraq's Osiraq reactor as that was a single installation and Iraq is much closer than Iran, but Iran's nuclear program is distributed across a large number of sites, many of which are hardened against air attack.


Depends on the intelligence they've got, how they strike, etc. Most likely, you're correct - but I wouldn't rule it out.

Israel can, however, drop a few bombs in Iran and force Iran to react one way or another, which would almost certainly drag us into the mess whether we want it or not. That's the real danger for us.

Yes - this could happen. In the short term, that would be the suck. In the long term, it could lead to other nations realizing we mean business and that might help prevent them from screwing around. However, with fundie crazies leading your government, that might not matter at all.

It's not even clear that we could do much to stop Iran's program with anything short of a sustained air campaign. If Iran uses the nuclear option that it already has-mining the gulf-then we'll almost certainly have to try, but the costs of that will be horrendous. We'd be better served by shooting Israel's planes down ourselves.

Mining the gulf would suck for a bit, but we'd get over it. Temporary spike in fuel costs, continued military spending, etc. However, Iran wouldn't be a problem for anyone after that. Their military and government would likely be gone. Not that they wouldn't be a tougher nut to crack than Iraq, but if we were smart about it, we could eliminate their ability to project force or even protect themselves without involving ourselves in rebuilding their country.
 
2012-11-07 01:16:54 PM

ronaprhys: However, Iran wouldn't be a problem for anyone after that. Their military and government would likely be gone. Not that they wouldn't be a tougher nut to crack than Iraq, but if we were smart about it, we could eliminate their ability to project force or even protect themselves without involving ourselves in rebuilding their country


They would be more of a problem for the next 30 years.

You would get allt he young peopel who aren't that keen on the theocracy to fall in step witht hem after the great satan turned out to be exactly what they described.
 
2012-11-07 01:26:35 PM

ronaprhys: Mining the gulf would suck for a bit, but we'd get over it. Temporary spike in fuel costs, continued military spending, etc. However, Iran wouldn't be a problem for anyone after that. Their military and government would likely be gone. Not that they wouldn't be a tougher nut to crack than Iraq, but if we were smart about it, we could eliminate their ability to project force or even protect themselves without involving ourselves in rebuilding their country.


Does that sound like something we'd actually do? 

Our track record on that kind of thing isn't so great.
 
2012-11-07 01:35:21 PM
But last time they said they would!
 
2012-11-07 01:39:27 PM

liam76: They would be more of a problem for the next 30 years.

You would get allt he young peopel who aren't that keen on the theocracy to fall in step witht hem after the great satan turned out to be exactly what they described.


That's definitely a risk. Now, depending on how we went about it we may be able to avoid a bunch of that hatred. However....

toraque: Does that sound like something we'd actually do? 

Our track record on that kind of thing isn't so great.


No, no it doesn't. We'd either half-ass the bombings so they didn't really do much in the long term or insist on invading and having Iraq 2.0 Electric Boogaloo.
 
2012-11-07 02:11:00 PM

acidsurfer: fireclown: Why the hell should they?

I've been wondering about this as well...


Because they're parked in proximity to a nation that won't give a shiat what the UN, US, NATO, or anyone else says, and will rip them to shreds if they have an excuse to.

If the Iranians really just want it for energy, fine. I think that they could be accommodated. However, this ongoing resistance to UN inspection efforts is incredibly dangerous. Israel will have no qualms about sending some jets their way if they can even barely justify it. Right now, the Iranians are giving them quite the case.
 
2012-11-07 02:30:16 PM

darkedgefan: oooooh, I bet Iran is really scared of Obama. Of course they will not cooperate. Obama will do NOTHING to stop Iran from getting a nuke and those crazy mullahs know it.

And the world will be much more dangerous for it. Thank you, Obama Voters!

Go Fark yourselves.

I voted for Romney and I am proud of my vote. Obama will fark this country up even more and it is not my fault.


Ehud Barak was recently quoted as saying Iran has not moved forward with building a nuclear weapon. If you don't know who that is, then you have no business making kindergarten level comments like that.

But go ahead and keep on drinking that military-industrial strength jingoistic Kool-Aid.
 
2012-11-07 02:41:02 PM

austin_millbarge: darkedgefan: oooooh, I bet Iran is really scared of Obama. Of course they will not cooperate. Obama will do NOTHING to stop Iran from getting a nuke and those crazy mullahs know it.

And the world will be much more dangerous for it. Thank you, Obama Voters!

Go Fark yourselves.

I voted for Romney and I am proud of my vote. Obama will fark this country up even more and it is not my fault.

Ehud Barak was recently quoted as saying Iran has not moved forward with building a nuclear weapon. If you don't know who that is, then you have no business making kindergarten level comments like that.

But go ahead and keep on drinking that military-industrial strength jingoistic Kool-Aid.


No.

He said, "Iran has not crossed a nuclear threshold".

Doesn't mean they haven't been working on nuclear capabilities, deosn't mean they have abandoned trying to get a nuclear weapon, just means they diverted "its enriched uranium for civilian use instead".
They haven't stopped enriching it, so they wil be able to make that choice again. Hopefully sanctions work.
 
2012-11-07 02:57:19 PM
Does anyone have a non-fox link? Fox has no integrity and after Iraq I want hard multi-source evidence no more of this well they could have, might have crap.
 
2012-11-07 03:06:13 PM
Ya know, in recent history, Iran hasn't been a particularly bellicose nation. They held their own in antiquity, however.
 
2012-11-07 03:17:15 PM

Peppermint Rose: Does anyone have a non-fox link? Fox has no integrity and after Iraq I want hard multi-source evidence no more of this well they could have, might have crap.


Washington Post
 
2012-11-07 03:30:04 PM

ringersol: And Iran already has something of a lingering discontent among its people. Particularly after seemingly *everyone else* had more success in the Arab Spring than they did.



I thought it was because they aren't Arab.
 
2012-11-07 03:58:53 PM
I always found most farkers to have usually at the least a basic understanding of major issues in international politics. How Iran signing the NPT eludes so many is perplexing
 
2012-11-07 04:04:22 PM
Any one one crying but but.... Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT)

Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in 1968 making Iran's nuclear program subject to IAEA HOWEVER 1979 Iranian Revolution overthrow the government that signed NPT.

I haven't see any thing that says the the CURRENT Iranian government has signed NPT. If the current Iranian government has NOT signed NPT. They are not a part of NPT.
 
2012-11-07 04:17:40 PM

Gdalescrboz: I always found most farkers to have usually at the least a basic understanding of major issues in international politics. How Iran signing the NPT eludes so many is perplexing



Antagonizing "the West" automatically makes Iran "noble" and "justified" and nullifies all existing legal constraints they may have that would interfere with said antagonization. Because Israel.
 
2012-11-07 04:52:37 PM

Smeggy Smurf: It's not going to matter anymore. Israel said they will not sit idly by and do nothing. The Iranian nuclear arms program is either going to be blown to hell and back or turned to slag.


I do not give a good G0d Damn what those bagel eating mother farkers say any more they and their people put fartbongo back in for four more years so when new york and tel aviv are under a mushroom cloud remeber you turned your back on the people who wanted to help now we will watch your country go away your people scattered again and islam will rule that land once again. I will point and laugh.
 
2012-11-07 04:58:40 PM
UN Inspectors not being allowed to investigate in an alleged violent country aimed at hurting the US by weapons of mass destruction.

Why does this sound so familiar?
 
2012-11-07 04:59:17 PM
Ok Y'all I have the solution. Offer the Iranians some CANDU reactors. A CANDU reactor is as safe as us Canadians can make it, it doesn't need enriched uranium and can burn pretty much anything, even nuclear waste from other types of reactors and it does not produce weapons grade anything! It is the perfect solution since there is no way to modify the CANDU to produce weapons grade fissiles. If the Iranians don't jump at it, you know without a doubt that bullshiat is going on. That would be a win for everyone! The Iranians could power their country, with no need to enrich, or maybe they could even get some of that nuclear waste everyone is having troubles storing and burn that.
 
2012-11-07 05:07:45 PM
The French are assholes in Reunion, too. They are not isolated.
 
2012-11-07 05:21:22 PM
One of the nice things about last night's election is that Obama can tell Bibi to suck it the next time he proposes a sneak attack on Iran. 

I'm not saying he well, but I had no hope that Mittens would.
 
2012-11-07 05:22:56 PM
well=will
 
2012-11-07 05:34:14 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: Smeggy Smurf: It's not going to matter anymore. Israel said they will not sit idly by and do nothing. The Iranian nuclear arms program is either going to be blown to hell and back or turned to slag.

I do not give a good G0d Damn what those bagel eating mother farkers say any more they and their people put fartbongo back in for four more years so when new york and tel aviv are under a mushroom cloud remeber you turned your back on the people who wanted to help now we will watch your country go away your people scattered again and islam will rule that land once again. I will point and laugh.


OK who stole his meds and unlocked the door?
 
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