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(Sports Illustrated)   Jerry Jones is determined not to win the Super Bowl at any cost   (tracking.si.com) divider line 120
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2012-11-07 05:15:59 PM

roc6783: Well at least the Pack still has Matthews and Perry to sustain the pass rush....oh shiatburger.


And woodson to cover the ... OH COME ON
 
2012-11-07 05:28:05 PM

thecpt: roc6783: Well at least the Pack still has Matthews and Perry to sustain the pass rush....oh shiatburger.

And woodson to cover the ... OH COME ON


I haz a sad. In other news, in case you haven't checked the PR thread from yesterday, robsul FORGOT THE JAKE.
 
2012-11-07 05:29:36 PM

muck4doo: Finally Jimmy!


Dammit I love that guy so much. JIMMY IF YOU'RE READING THIS I LOVE YOU


JohnBigBootay: Getting credit is the thing that scratches Jerry's itch - more than titles and more than money. This seems self-evident at this point.


You know what? If he hired a good GM for us that took us back to the SB, he'd get credit for doing that. We'd all be so grateful & we wouldn't forget the relief we felt. I won't hold my breath, though.


JohnBigBootay: raptusregaliter: Holy crap, he looks terrible and sounds worse. Age is catching up to that sumbeetch no matter how much he f*cks up his face.

If Jerry hasn't had some work done I'll eat my hat. Dollars to doughnuts he's way into alternative not approved by the FDA anti-aging treatments. I'm sure the cryogenic agreement is already in place.


His mother just died at the age of like, 110. He has the longevity gene. He has the money to buy the best in experimental surgery and cyborg technology, so we're basically hosed.
 
2012-11-07 05:53:08 PM

Di Atribe: You know what? If he hired a good GM for us that took us back to the SB, he'd get credit for doing that. We'd all be so grateful & we wouldn't forget the relief we felt. I won't hold my breath, though.


You are right of course. And the fans would love him if he did that. Unfortunately, Jerry does not give two shiats about being loved.

Di Atribe: His mother just died at the age of like, 110. He has the longevity gene. He has the money to buy the best in experimental surgery and cyborg technology, so we're basically hosed.


It would be pretty cool to see The Borg Queen as the GM of an NFL football team. Anyway, I don't wish to put forth the idea that Jerry is incompetent. The man knows a lot about football. He is, in fact, a professional football personnel director and has undoubtedly gained a ton of knowledge in his tenure. The Cowboys have had good teams since he's been flying solo and they've certainly been competitive lots of times. The problem is though, that by settling for competent you give up on the exceptional. Every now and then a franchise finds a great formula with a particular coach/president/GM and has a run of sustained success. Gonna be hard for Jerry to duplicate that while simultaneously running the whole show and at 70 it's not likely he's going to get lots better at the job. If nothing else you can take solace in the fact that he's still a financial wizard. one day he'll be gone and his successor will take over an otherwise well run organization that's flush with cash and ready to make good things happen.
 
2012-11-07 06:04:59 PM

farbekrieg: PluckYew: Please stop comparing Jerry Jones to Al Davis. Al was a football genius until 2002 or '03 by the time he passed he had forgotten more about football than Jerry will ever know. I hated him for moving the team to LA, costing them their identity and mystique.

He turned a used car lot and minority stake in a fledgling football team into a recognizable brand and for a time, the winningest franchise in professional sports. Jerry Jones took an established national brand and turned it into a .500 football team because of his ego.

There's worlds of difference between the two and comparisons are unfair to Al, who I wouldn't piss on if his ashes were on fire.

Jones to Dan Snyder references are legitimate.

Short answer, no.

Jerry 3 rings Davis 3 rings
al davis owner record 333-285 .539
jerry jones owner record 201-175 .535

both consumed by egomania, both made some good and not so good moves

snyder on the other hand has brought how many titles to dc?


Oh I see you are a child. Thanks, I have you marked as such. Read a little history and find out that Al meant more to the NFL and AFL than his 'record'. Just because it's all YOU know of or remember means you should pick up a book and do a little research.

Al was the AFL's war time commissioner in '66 and would have won the war if Lamar Hunt hadn't surrendered behind his back (good thing too). If Al had won, people today would know as much about the Green Bay Packers as they do about the Chicago Cardinals.

Al knew the Raiders belonged to HIM and he could put them in any city that would suck his dick. Pete Rozelle tried to stop him and the result is one of the most awkward Lombardi trophy presentations ever

SB 18 Lombardi look at what Al is doing when Rozelle is recounting the way the Raiders dismantled the Redskins.

Even with his mental faculties leaving him, he still put together a team that went to the Super Bowl, Jerry's team can't even get to the conference title game since Jimmy's players left.

Al Davis > Jerry Jones
 
2012-11-07 06:17:02 PM
PluckYew

While Al definitely went nuts and became a parody of himself, he certainly deserves an honored place in the history of the league and you are right to point it out. he was a crazy old man... but he wasn't just a crazy old man. He's the crazy old man who had a large part in building the league we now know and usually love.
 
2012-11-07 06:24:09 PM

JohnBigBootay: It would be pretty cool to see The Borg Queen as the GM of an NFL football team. Anyway, I don't wish to put forth the idea that Jerry is incompetent. The man knows a lot about football. He is, in fact, a professional football personnel director and has undoubtedly gained a ton of knowledge in his tenure. The Cowboys have had good teams since he's been flying solo and they've certainly been competitive lots of times. The problem is though, that by settling for competent you give up on the exceptional. Every now and then a franchise finds a great formula with a particular coach/president/GM and has a run of sustained success. Gonna be hard for Jerry to duplicate that while simultaneously running the whole show and at 70 it's not likely he's going to get lots better at the job. If nothing else you can take solace in the fact that he's still a financial wizard. one day he'll be gone and his successor will take over an otherwise well run organization that's flush with cash and ready to make good things happen.


I wonder... who are some other long term (like greater than 10 years) GM's in the league? Are there any out there that have had long-term success? I really don't know because generally I don't give a crap about other teams' front offices, because why would I?
 
2012-11-07 06:27:11 PM

farbekrieg: Treygreen13: If Tony was a headcase, he'd have huge swings in situations where he's just not as good. But he's essentially exactly the same passer regardless of down, distance, score, time, anything.

with the exception of this year


This year he's had down numbers across the board - and an increased INT total. But unless there's been some emotional trauma in his life recently it would seem that the "headcase" thing is sort of unprovable.
 
2012-11-07 06:30:10 PM

Di Atribe: I wonder... who are some other long term (like greater than 10 years) GM's in the league? Are there any out there that have had long-term success? I really don't know because generally I don't give a crap about other teams' front offices, because why would I?


Can't find a complete list while at work but several of these dudes have been around longer than a decade at least...

http://www.lostlettermen.com/top-10-draft-masters-nfls-top-10-general - managers/
 
2012-11-07 06:34:04 PM

Di Atribe: rickythepenguin: poo. image blocked.

It was just the "oh you" picture, but it had on blonde hair & a bow LIKE ME!


grinding_journalist: Hay Di! I'm playing you this week in the Jinxes league. Need to turn this 2 game skid around. Good thing I get Hernandez and Welker back.

Hay GJ! Don't you mean 3 game skid? Ha! Hahaha! MUWAHAHAHAHAHA


HaywoodJablonski: Why are there 73 posts about a 3-5 team with no QB, no head coach and no GM?

Why is there one post complaining about other people posting in a thread? Just move onto the next story. You don't have to comment in every thread.


:-P
 
2012-11-07 08:09:53 PM

intotheabyss81: Romolicious


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2012-11-07 09:58:02 PM

roc6783: Coach_J: Treygreen13:

Tony Romo's Annual DYAR:
2012: 10
2011: 4
2010: 19
2009: 7
2008: 11
2007: 4
2006: 8

What a model of consistency.

Uhh...that's his rank compared to everyone else in the league, not the stat. So he is ranked in the top 10 in DYAR 5 of his 7 years in the league. Seems somewhat consistent to me. I don't pay for their site, so i only see data from 2009-11, but all of his rate stats, except INTs, on pro-football-reference.com are above average almost every year too.


Of course it's his league ranking Sherlock and your takeaway is ridiculous and nonsensical. 19th in the league one year to 4th the next...then 10th? That's "somewhat consistent"?...in a word, no. Of course it's not.

Romo-slappy said "He's frighteningly consistent."...not "he's above average almost every year"...how can be be the 4th best QB in the league and the next year be lower in DVOA than Delhomme?

How can he go from being worse and Vince Young one year and the next year being almost neck and neck with Brees, Rodgers and Brady? This. Is. Not. Consistent. QBing. Performance.

Brees, Rodgers, Ryan, Brady, Eli, Manning...these are consistent QBs over their careers...Romo doesn't belong on this list...this year is perfect indicator.
 
2012-11-07 10:05:03 PM

Treygreen13: roc6783: Coach_J: Treygreen13:

Tony Romo's Annual DYAR:
2012: 10
2011: 4
2010: 19
2009: 7
2008: 11
2007: 4
2006: 8

What a model of consistency.

Uhh...that's his rank compared to everyone else in the league, not the stat. So he is ranked in the top 10 in DYAR 5 of his 7 years in the league. Seems somewhat consistent to me. I don't pay for their site, so i only see data from 2009-11, but all of his rate stats, except INTs, on pro-football-reference.com are above average almost every year too.

My point (originally) was that he's basically the same player at all points in the game. The biggest knock on him for people who don't watch the games was that he wasn't good in "clutch" situations, but of course that led us to finding out that Tony had the best QB Rating in the 4th quarter and earlier this season one of the trivia stats was that in late and close games Tony is the most accurate passer in the league.

Tony's average QB rating is 95.3. Very good.

On the road, it's 95.6 - at home 95.0

In his career, these are his QB Ratings per year:
95.1, 97.4, 91.4, 97.6, 94.9, 102.5

His last full season, these are his situational stats:
1st Half - 107.2
2nd Half - 96.7
Last two minutes of half - 94.7
Within 7 - 98.1
Up by 15 - 105.5
Within 15 - 111.7
Ahead - 102.6
Ahead by 1-8 - 109.4
Ahead by 9-16 - 95.7
Behind - 102.9
Behind by 1-8 - 102.4
Behind by 9-16 - 112.3
Tied - 101.8
1st Quarter - 103.8
2nd Quarter - 109.5
3rd Quarter - 86.8
4th Quarter - 104.4
4th Quarter Within 7 - 99.8
Overtime - 116.7

If Tony was a headcase, he'd have huge swings in situations where he's just not as good. But he's essentially exactly the same passer regardless of down, distance, score, time, anything.


No, no he's not.

Tony Romo Career Passer Rating: 95.9

Tony Romo Career Post Season Passer Rating: 81.4
 
2012-11-07 10:36:01 PM

JohnBigBootay: I'm sure the cryogenic agreement is already in place.


It's the only way to insure he is "alive" when the Cowboys win another Super Bowl.
 
2012-11-08 12:26:52 AM

germ78: Can the NFC North trade the Packers to the NFC East for the Cowboys? I hate being a fan of a team that has to deal with the well oiled machine that is the Packers twice a season. The Cowboys are only good once every 5-10 years, not year-in, year-out.


I guess some people ignore or forget that green bay sucked for 25 years.
 
2012-11-08 03:01:17 AM
um, has anyone pointed out to subby that the man has superbowl rings? Subby has no superbowl rings. Just like MOST GMs doing GM work in the NFL.
 
2012-11-08 07:58:43 AM
The problem with jerry is he doesn't fix a problem until he is beat over the head with it for a few years. He likes to spend big money on the flashy positions, the guys who make the big plays. But he doesn't invest in the core of the team. The offensive line, defensive line, coaching staff....etc.

The last decent coach they had was Parcells. Jerry kicked him to the curb and let Wade 'Cupcake' Phillips ride the team into the ground.

Garrett is an average OC. He is a terrible HC. Romo is not, nor has he ever been the issue with this team. He has had his moments where he lost the game for them, but the same can be said of key players in other positions.

Barring an uncapped year where Jerry can buy the best players out there.....I don't see this team going anywhere without an overhaul of the o-line and coaching staff. Rob Ryan seems to have turned things around quite a bit. But they still allow teams to march down the field as will in clutch situations.
 
2012-11-08 11:14:47 AM

I sound fat: um, has anyone pointed out to subby that the man has superbowl rings? Subby has no superbowl rings. Just like MOST GMs doing GM work in the NFL.


Number of rings is only relevant when it is your guy. Somebody else's guy? Irrelevant.
 
2012-11-08 12:42:31 PM

JohnBigBootay: http://www.lostlettermen.com/top-10-draft-masters-nfls-top-10-general - managers/


Not found 404 :(


HaywoodJablonski: :-P


:)


Mad Mark: intotheabyss81: Romolicious

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LEAVE TONY ALONE
 
2012-11-08 02:40:02 PM

I sound fat: um, has anyone pointed out to subby that the man has superbowl rings? Subby has no superbowl rings. Just like MOST GMs doing GM work in the NFL.


Jerry's rings are a direct result of Jimmy Johnson's GM moves.

Remove the spaces around the last dash:

http://www.lostlettermen.com/top-10-draft-masters-nfls-top-10-general - managers/

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