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2012-11-07 10:03:22 AM
Could an entire stadium be sentenced if at the next home win, Jerry got trampled on the sidelines as people rushed the field?

I feel like no.


///NFC East vs. AFC West for the NFL title of craziest incompetence. I think it would end in a draw.
 
2012-11-07 10:30:21 AM
Proving that the Al Davis quotient of the the NFL must be > 1.
 
2012-11-07 10:31:46 AM
with al davis dead, id say that the nfc east has the lead with the jerry and dan snyder
 
2012-11-07 10:33:33 AM

farbekrieg: with al davis dead, id say that the nfc east has the lead with the jerry and dan snyder


they should put the Oakland Raiders, Dallas Cowboys, Washington Redskins and Tennessee Titans in the same division and call it the crazy old bastard division
 
2012-11-07 10:34:36 AM

farbekrieg: with al davis dead, id say that the nfc east has the lead with the jerry and dan snyder


Snyder eventually hired a GM (Bruce Allen) though.
 
2012-11-07 10:36:59 AM
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So is Jerry Jones the final argument that having a ring doesn't make you untouchable when it comes to criticism? What about three?
 
2012-11-07 10:37:27 AM
"Jones and the Cowboys have complied a 123-124 regular season record since 1997."

Not saying I don't make typos, but this is their farking job.

Anyways, I thought it would comments expressing faith in Tony Romo...
 
2012-11-07 10:38:40 AM

thecpt: Not saying I don't make typos, but this is their farking job.

Anyways, I thought it would comments expressing faith in Tony Romo...


*giggle*
 
2012-11-07 10:39:11 AM

Treygreen13: [jsportsblogger.files.wordpress.com image 650x440]

So is Jerry Jones the final argument that having a ring doesn't make you untouchable when it comes to criticism? What about three?


The problem is that jimmy gets the credit for putting together the teans that won it all, something jerry cant stand... He wants to be the man...
 
2012-11-07 10:39:26 AM
I wish he would just put himself in the ring of honor and retire to his pizza business.
 
2012-11-07 10:40:36 AM

Treygreen13: *giggle*


ha. At least I kind of inb4d I guess.

stupid dyslexia.
 
2012-11-07 10:41:27 AM

Treygreen13: thecpt: Not saying I don't make typos, but this is their farking job.

Anyways, I thought it would comments expressing faith in Tony Romo...

*giggle*


Hush now, he's still getting used to the "new" button arrangement.
 
2012-11-07 10:42:17 AM
Jerry Jones' first act when he bought the team was to fire Tom Landry, the only coach the team ever had until then, and hire a crony. While that was Jimmy Johnson, it still seemed dirty at the time. Firing Johnson after he won two Super Bowls in a row proved Jones is an idiot. The only other owner arrogant and stupid enough to be his own GM is Mike Brown of the Cincinnati Bungles.
 
2012-11-07 10:44:46 AM

Dinobot: The problem is that jimmy gets the credit for putting together the teans that won it all, something jerry cant stand... He wants to be the man...


Agreed.
 
2012-11-07 10:46:56 AM
This is karmic retribution for firing Tom Landry.

After a bountiful initial yield, there will be twenty years of famine.
 
2012-11-07 10:47:28 AM

macdaddy357: Jerry Jones' first act when he bought the team was to fire Tom Landry, the only coach the team ever had until then, and hire a crony.


You should check out a more detailed history of the Dallas Cowboys. Landry (while a legend) was no longer an effective NFL head coach and firing him was a condition of purchasing the team. A condition that Bum Bright put out and had been asking Tex Schramm for since 1987.
 
2012-11-07 10:48:24 AM
Setting the DVR for Jimmy Johnson: A Football Life tonight on NFL network. I'd like to see the whole fall out with Jones re-visited.
 
2012-11-07 10:49:02 AM
Sorry Jerry. You suck as a GM and as an owner. I won't go so far as saying you suck as a human being, but you ARE the owner of the Dallas Cowboys.

He really needs to step down and hire someone more competent. 1996 was a LONG time ago; I know, because that's the year I got married. And divorced in 2010. You have NO excuse.
 
2012-11-07 10:49:34 AM

muck4doo: Setting the DVR for Jimmy Johnson: A Football Life tonight on NFL network. I'd like to see the whole fall out with Jones re-visited.


If you'd like, I got my copy of Boys Will Be Boys (audiobook) back from loaning it to a friend. I could send it your way if you're interested.
 
2012-11-07 10:49:50 AM

Treygreen13: macdaddy357: Jerry Jones' first act when he bought the team was to fire Tom Landry, the only coach the team ever had until then, and hire a crony.

You should check out a more detailed history of the Dallas Cowboys. Landry (while a legend) was no longer an effective NFL head coach and firing him was a condition of purchasing the team. A condition that Bum Bright put out and had been asking Tex Schramm for since 1987.


The game had passed him by. He used that "flex" defense long past its shelf life.
 
2012-11-07 10:50:38 AM

Treygreen13: muck4doo: Setting the DVR for Jimmy Johnson: A Football Life tonight on NFL network. I'd like to see the whole fall out with Jones re-visited.

If you'd like, I got my copy of Boys Will Be Boys (audiobook) back from loaning it to a friend. I could send it your way if you're interested.


That would be awesome. :)
 
2012-11-07 10:52:12 AM

muck4doo: The game had passed him by. He used that "flex" defense long past its shelf life.



Here I sit, asshole flexin', givin' birth to another Tex -- ehhh.....nevermind.
 
2012-11-07 10:53:25 AM

muck4doo: The game had passed him by. He used that "flex" defense long past its shelf life.

 

Well, that and the team was 3-13 and had 3 straight losing seasons. Jason Garrett's head is being clamored for right now and they have as many wins right now in week 9 as Landry did in that final season.
 
2012-11-07 10:59:26 AM

Treygreen13: ett's head is being clamored for right now and they have as many wins right now in week 9 as Landry did in that final season.


Do you guys do a what if of Wade Phillips being defensive coordinator while making Garrett head coach?
 
2012-11-07 11:01:18 AM

thecpt: Treygreen13: ett's head is being clamored for right now and they have as many wins right now in week 9 as Landry did in that final season.

Do you guys do a what if of Wade Phillips being defensive coordinator while making Garrett head coach?


No. Garrett needs to be gone.
 
2012-11-07 11:01:22 AM

thecpt: Treygreen13: ett's head is being clamored for right now and they have as many wins right now in week 9 as Landry did in that final season.

Do you guys do a what if of Wade Phillips being defensive coordinator while making Garrett head coach?


The defense aint that bad... The oline, time clock management and a headcase as your qb is...
 
2012-11-07 11:01:24 AM

thecpt: "Jones and the Cowboys have complied a 123-124 regular season record since 1997."

Not saying I don't make typos, but this is their farking job.

Anyways, I thought it would comments expressing faith in Tony Romo...


"We've had success doing it this way and we're going to have success in the future doing it this way," Jones said.

50% record is how he defines success?
 
2012-11-07 11:03:04 AM

thecpt: Treygreen13: ett's head is being clamored for right now and they have as many wins right now in week 9 as Landry did in that final season.

Do you guys do a what if of Wade Phillips being defensive coordinator while making Garrett head coach?


If we're going to do ideal "what if" scenarios, you'd have Phillips as D-Coordinator and Garrett as O-Coordinator and then a real head coach.
 
2012-11-07 11:05:36 AM

farbekrieg: with al davis dead, id say that the nfc east has the lead with the jerry and dan snyder


I mistyped the face off gauntlet, it should have been crazy/incompetent.

Some entries off the top of my head:

NFC East:
Jerry
Dan
Jeff
Andy
Shanahanalomadingdong
Romoceptions
Vick
Manning's Manningface
DeSean

AFC West:
Norv
Romeo's stare
Manning's Manningface
Al Davis' eternal flame
Raider Nation
Full Jake Rivers
Those creepy Rivers mouth-eye pics
Courageous Quinn
 
2012-11-07 11:06:25 AM

Dinobot: The defense aint that bad... The oline, time clock management and a headcase as your qb is...



i remember the game vs I think Green Bay (?) a few weeks ago where all game, Bryan Billick was killing the 'Boys for nto getting playcalls in quickly, and in that final drive they were like, "doop de doo, 45 seconds left, no timeouts, doop de doo, let's just cazh our way up the line, doop de doo, clock ticking, no call game in, god forbid we spike the ball...."

nutty.
 
2012-11-07 11:10:47 AM

Treygreen13: thecpt: Treygreen13: ett's head is being clamored for right now and they have as many wins right now in week 9 as Landry did in that final season.

Do you guys do a what if of Wade Phillips being defensive coordinator while making Garrett head coach?

If we're going to do ideal "what if" scenarios, you'd have Phillips as D-Coordinator and Garrett as O-Coordinator and then a real head coach.


Sean Payton?
 
2012-11-07 11:20:39 AM
Please stop comparing Jerry Jones to Al Davis. Al was a football genius until 2002 or '03 by the time he passed he had forgotten more about football than Jerry will ever know. I hated him for moving the team to LA, costing them their identity and mystique.

He turned a used car lot and minority stake in a fledgling football team into a recognizable brand and for a time, the winningest franchise in professional sports. Jerry Jones took an established national brand and turned it into a .500 football team because of his ego.

There's worlds of difference between the two and comparisons are unfair to Al, who I wouldn't piss on if his ashes were on fire.

Jones to Dan Snyder references are legitimate.
 
2012-11-07 11:27:50 AM

roc6783: Sean Payton?



isn't it about time for the annual "Where Will Bill Cowher Land?" rumor mill to start up?
 
2012-11-07 11:30:47 AM

Dinobot: The defense aint that bad... The oline, time clock management and a headcase as your qb is...


Tony Romo is not a headcase. He's frighteningly consistent. He has a bad game occasionally, just like every other QB. He's had 2 games with high INT totals this season but there's a story behind them. Statistically Tony is a solid QB in pretty much any situation.

rickythepenguin: i remember the game vs I think Green Bay (?) a few weeks ago where all game, Bryan Billick was killing the 'Boys for nto getting playcalls in quickly, and in that final drive they were like, "doop de doo, 45 seconds left, no timeouts, doop de doo, let's just cazh our way up the line, doop de doo, clock ticking, no call game in, god forbid we spike the ball...."

nutty.


You're probably thinking of the Ravens game, where Dez Bryant screamed at the referee for 15 seconds while the rest of the offense was lining up.

PluckYew: Please stop comparing Jerry Jones to Al Davis. Al was a football genius until 2002 or '03 by the time he passed he had forgotten more about football than Jerry will ever know. I hated him for moving the team to LA, costing them their identity and mystique.

He turned a used car lot and minority stake in a fledgling football team into a recognizable brand and for a time, the winningest franchise in professional sports. Jerry Jones took an established national brand and turned it into a .500 football team because of his ego.

There's worlds of difference between the two and comparisons are unfair to Al, who I wouldn't piss on if his ashes were on fire.

Jones to Dan Snyder references are legitimate.


No chance Al gets this much credit. I know he's gone and it's nice to think of him in memory, but Al was a nutbar.
 
2012-11-07 11:47:37 AM

PluckYew: Please stop comparing Jerry Jones to Al Davis. Al was a football genius until 2002 or '03 by the time he passed he had forgotten more about football than Jerry will ever know. I hated him for moving the team to LA, costing them their identity and mystique.

He turned a used car lot and minority stake in a fledgling football team into a recognizable brand and for a time, the winningest franchise in professional sports. Jerry Jones took an established national brand and turned it into a .500 football team because of his ego.

There's worlds of difference between the two and comparisons are unfair to Al, who I wouldn't piss on if his ashes were on fire.

Jones to Dan Snyder references are legitimate.


Short answer, no.

Jerry 3 rings Davis 3 rings
al davis owner record 333-285 .539
jerry jones owner record 201-175 .535

both consumed by egomania, both made some good and not so good moves

snyder on the other hand has brought how many titles to dc?
 
2012-11-07 11:49:07 AM
Another Jerry Jones thread? He's crazy. He has an ego. I thought we already went over this?
 
2012-11-07 11:49:29 AM

farbekrieg: snyder on the other hand has brought how many titles to dc?



I'll never forget Tony Kornheiser's on-air orgasm (airgasm?) when Washington resigned Dan Reeves circa 2005. he (Mistah Tony) was counting rings. "we're gettin' the band back together, maaaan!"
 
2012-11-07 11:50:24 AM

Dinobot: thecpt: Treygreen13: ett's head is being clamored for right now and they have as many wins right now in week 9 as Landry did in that final season.

Do you guys do a what if of Wade Phillips being defensive coordinator while making Garrett head coach?

The defense aint that bad... The oline, time clock management and a headcase as your qb is...


O-line sucks, head coaching sucks but the QB problems is a lot farther down the list of problems than #3.

Tony Romo's tenure as QB of the Cowboys has been like a rollercoaster for me. At the beginning I was very high on him and believed that he could mature to be one of the best QBs that Cowboys have had. He had the skills and Jerry Jones has always put talent on the team (even if chemistry doesn't always pan out). After that I was pretty low on Tony Romo as he has struggled late in seasons and in post seasons, kept losing to the Giants which have owned the NFC East for the past 4-5 seasons (not always winning the division but always showing up when it counts) and laying turds in the most important, high profile games.

But then you see Romo playing when he's in the no huddle offense and he looks as good as the top QBs in the league right now. He marches the team down the field in a quick fashion and drives are only stopped by penalties. The no huddle offense hides the shortcomings that Tony Romo has as well as the ones that the team has in general and is the only way the current team can win.
 
2012-11-07 11:50:25 AM

Di Atribe: Another Jerry Jones thread? He's crazy. He has an ego. I thought we already went over this?


yes but now it is wednesday... thursday...

/i need a drink
 
2012-11-07 11:52:47 AM

muck4doo: Setting the DVR for Jimmy Johnson: A Football Life tonight on NFL network. I'd like to see the whole fall out with Jones re-visited.


Have you seen ESPN's "30 for 30" on the University of Miami? Great special.
 
2012-11-07 11:53:22 AM

Di Atribe: Another Jerry Jones thread? He's crazy. He has an ego. I thought we already went over this?



I couldn't bear to not see you, hotness. I knew I'd find you here.
 
2012-11-07 11:58:19 AM

ddam: Dinobot: thecpt: Treygreen13: ett's head is being clamored for right now and they have as many wins right now in week 9 as Landry did in that final season.

Do you guys do a what if of Wade Phillips being defensive coordinator while making Garrett head coach?

The defense aint that bad... The oline, time clock management and a headcase as your qb is...

O-line sucks, head coaching sucks but the QB problems is a lot farther down the list of problems than #3.

Tony Romo's tenure as QB of the Cowboys has been like a rollercoaster for me. At the beginning I was very high on him and believed that he could mature to be one of the best QBs that Cowboys have had. He had the skills and Jerry Jones has always put talent on the team (even if chemistry doesn't always pan out). After that I was pretty low on Tony Romo as he has struggled late in seasons and in post seasons, kept losing to the Giants which have owned the NFC East for the past 4-5 seasons (not always winning the division but always showing up when it counts) and laying turds in the most important, high profile games.

But then you see Romo playing when he's in the no huddle offense and he looks as good as the top QBs in the league right now. He marches the team down the field in a quick fashion and drives are only stopped by penalties. The no huddle offense hides the shortcomings that Tony Romo has as well as the ones that the team has in general and is the only way the current team can win.


The no-huddle and the short passing game is the only way the Cowboys can move the ball right now, because it prevents the O-line from having to run block (because they can't) and they only need to pass-block for a second at most. I know we disagree on Romo's shortcomings but we agree that this seems to be the best way to play right now.

I do wish they'd get more designed plays to the RBs in the passing game to at least fake a running game until Murray comes back. The o-line can't run block but if you can get the RBs in space you've got a chance to at least get production out of something other than Tony throwing 62 passes.
 
2012-11-07 11:58:34 AM

rickythepenguin: I couldn't bear to not see you, hotness. I knew I'd find you here.


i.imgur.com


/jk keep going
 
2012-11-07 12:01:04 PM

rickythepenguin: farbekrieg: snyder on the other hand has brought how many titles to dc?


I'll never forget Tony Kornheiser's on-air orgasm (airgasm?) when Washington resigned Dan Reeves circa 2005. he (Mistah Tony) was counting rings. "we're gettin' the band back together, maaaan!"


Joe Gibbs?
 
2012-11-07 12:05:17 PM

PluckYew: ***snip***


The comparison isn't between 70's Al Davis and Jerry or Al's body of work and Jerry's body of work. The comparison is between a power-hungry old man overestimating his football acumen and becoming a caricature of himself and...nope that covers it.

rickythepenguin: roc6783: Sean Payton?


isn't it about time for the annual "Where Will Bill Cowher Land?" rumor mill to start up?


List of living retired head coaches who will never return to coaching (feel free to add the ones I of course missed):

Bill Cowher
Brian Billick
Eric Mangini
Jim Mora Sr.
Herm Edwards
Tony Dungy
Jon Gruden
Mike Holmgren - Kind of doesn't count as he is a front office guy now
Joe Gibbs - Kind of doesn't count as he is a front office guy now
Bill Parcells
Steve Mariucci
 
2012-11-07 12:05:28 PM

Di
Atribe
:
/jk keep going


poo. image blocked.


PluckYew: Joe Gibbs?


bleh, you people all look alike.
 
2012-11-07 12:10:16 PM
Speaking as a fan who has detested the Cowgirls dating from their "America's Team" BS, allow me to salute owner Jerry Jones for sticking by his GM, Jerry Jones.
 
2012-11-07 12:10:40 PM

Treygreen13: I do wish they'd get more designed plays to the RBs in the passing game to at least fake a running game until Murray comes back. The o-line can't run block but if you can get the RBs in space you've got a chance to at least get production out of something other than Tony throwing 62 passes


what are the options there, felix jones and tanner?

/romo to witten flowchart
 
2012-11-07 12:14:55 PM

farbekrieg: Treygreen13: I do wish they'd get more designed plays to the RBs in the passing game to at least fake a running game until Murray comes back. The o-line can't run block but if you can get the RBs in space you've got a chance to at least get production out of something other than Tony throwing 62 passes

what are the options there, felix jones and tanner?

/romo to witten flowchart


Not Tanner really. Dunbar is much faster.
 
2012-11-07 12:15:03 PM

farbekrieg: Treygreen13: I do wish they'd get more designed plays to the RBs in the passing game to at least fake a running game until Murray comes back. The o-line can't run block but if you can get the RBs in space you've got a chance to at least get production out of something other than Tony throwing 62 passes

what are the options there, felix jones and tanner?

/romo to witten flowchart


Felix Jones sucks as a runner but he can be successful if used in those small 3-5 yards throws and he has room to run. That's the only place Jones can be successful. Tanner seems a bit lost out there but he's a rookie (I think or second year).

However, even with those two RBs the Cowboys can have a running game if the defense is breathing hard and not able to substitute players and are too tired to even line up like it happened in the TD drive in 4th quarter against Atlanta. Do that for the whole game and the wins will come.
 
2012-11-07 12:16:29 PM

ddam: Tanner seems a bit lost out there but he's a rookie (I think or second year).


Dunbar put in a 4.44 40 IIRC. I know 40 time isn't the end-all but he's much faster than Tanner and Felix isn't nearly who he used to be.
 
2012-11-07 12:17:33 PM

ddam: farbekrieg: Treygreen13: ***snip***
However, even with those two RBs the Cowboys can have a running game if the defense is breathing hard and not able to substitute players and are too tired to even line up like it happened in the TD drive in 4th quarter against Atlanta. Do that for the whole game and the wins will come.


If you ever figure out how to get Jason Garrett to effectively run the no huddle, please send instructions so we can beat them into Mike McCarthy. Gracias.
 
2012-11-07 12:20:02 PM

roc6783: ddam: farbekrieg: Treygreen13: ***snip***
However, even with those two RBs the Cowboys can have a running game if the defense is breathing hard and not able to substitute players and are too tired to even line up like it happened in the TD drive in 4th quarter against Atlanta. Do that for the whole game and the wins will come.

If you ever figure out how to get Jason Garrett to effectively run the no huddle, please send instructions so we can beat them into Mike McCarthy. Gracias.


I've found the best way to run the no-huddle is just to have Jason Witten on your roster.
 
2012-11-07 12:24:41 PM

ddam: However, even with those two RBs the Cowboys can have a running game if the defense is breathing hard and not able to substitute players and are too tired to even line up like it happened in the TD drive in 4th quarter against Atlanta. Do that for the whole game and the wins will come.


one drive and a handful of carries seems like an awfully small sample size.

seeing as the collection of carries for the evening was abysmal. (like 18 for 60 yards?)
 
2012-11-07 12:26:34 PM

Treygreen13: roc6783: ddam: farbekrieg: Treygreen13: ***snip***

I've found the best way to run the no-huddle is just to have Jason Witten on your roster.



"If there's anything that has held the no huddle back, I would say it's been me," McCarthy said. "There are certain things that go on during the course of the game, if I don't like it, I probably pull the chain too many times. If I want to be critical of myself after the season, it would be that."

If McCarthy's stupid OC would stop screwing it up, the Packers would be much more effective on offense.

//That's the joke.
 
2012-11-07 12:27:58 PM
Dear Jerry,

Don't you EVER change.

Love,
Someone who hates the Dallas Cowboys with the fire of 1000 suns.

/Romolicious
 
2012-11-07 12:35:33 PM

roc6783: Treygreen13: roc6783: ddam: farbekrieg: Treygreen13: ***snip***

I've found the best way to run the no-huddle is just to have Jason Witten on your roster.


"If there's anything that has held the no huddle back, I would say it's been me," McCarthy said. "There are certain things that go on during the course of the game, if I don't like it, I probably pull the chain too many times. If I want to be critical of myself after the season, it would be that."

If McCarthy's stupid OC would stop screwing it up, the Packers would be much more effective on offense.

//That's the joke.


In his defense, he probably has to stop and think who is still available for plays.

"Who should I use in this set?...hmm. Jennings. wait no. Jordy...crap. Bens..aww crap... uh jermichashoot can't.....ahhhh OH PLAY CLOCK! Run someone off Bulaga!...aww ffffffuuuuuUUUUU BOMB IT TO COBB!!!!"

Touch down.

aaaaand scene
 
2012-11-07 12:39:59 PM

Di Atribe: rickythepenguin: I couldn't bear to not see you, hotness. I knew I'd find you here.

[i.imgur.com image 310x295]


/jk keep going


Hay Di! I'm playing you this week in the Jinxes league. Need to turn this 2 game skid around. Good thing I get Hernandez and Welker back.
 
2012-11-07 12:46:44 PM
Can the NFC North trade the Packers to the NFC East for the Cowboys? I hate being a fan of a team that has to deal with the well oiled machine that is the Packers twice a season. The Cowboys are only good once every 5-10 years, not year-in, year-out.
 
2012-11-07 12:50:42 PM

thecpt: roc6783: Treygreen13: roc6783: ddam: farbekrieg: Treygreen13: ***snip***


In his defense, he probably has to stop and think who is still available for plays.

"Who should I use in this set?...hmm. Jennings. wait no. Jordy...crap. Bens..aww crap... uh jermichashoot can't.....ahhhh OH PLAY CLOCK! Run someone off Bulaga!...(Rodgers sarcastically rolls his eyes, calmly walks to the line, and calls out his own play, a strike to Cobb in the end zone) aww ffffffuuuuuUUUUU BOMB IT TO COBB!!!!"

Touch down.

aaaaand scene


Fixed for truthiness
 
2012-11-07 12:51:59 PM
Tony Romo is not and hasn't been your problem.

Having a god awful offensive line since the days of Aikman and Co, incosistency (AT BEST) at RB during that same time period and a secondary that would hit hard yet couldn't actually defend the pass are the reasons the team has failed since the Jimmy Johnson era.
 
2012-11-07 12:56:16 PM

roc6783: ist of living retired head coaches who will never return to coaching (feel free to add the ones I of course missed):

Bill Cowher
Brian Billick
Eric Mangini
Jim Mora Sr.
Herm Edwards
Tony Dungy
Jon Gruden
Mike Holmgren - Kind of doesn't count as he is a front office guy now
Joe Gibbs - Kind of doesn't count as he is a front office guy now
Bill Parcells
Steve Mariucci



good list.....Billick, Mooch, Edwards, and Gruden i think would come back. Dungy, Parcells, Gibbs, Cowher, and Holmgren are done, i believe.

I'd say Billick or Gruden comes back first. I heard Billick give that "yeah, I'd consider it if the right offer came by" speech maybe a year ago. Mooch is a bit of a long shot, as is Edwards, but I could see them coaching again.

but billick and gruden i think are certain to return.

/ig uess we could add joe bugel, marty morninwheg (DC or OC for someone), Mike Tice (Tennessee OC i think), Jack Del Rio (denver?), Jim Fassell (coaching in the now defunct UFL) to the list. bleh.
 
2012-11-07 01:03:43 PM

rickythepenguin: roc6783: ist of living retired head coaches who will never return to coaching (feel free to add the ones I of course missed):
***snip***

/ig uess we could add joe bugel, marty morninwheg (DC or OC for someone), Mike Tice (Tennessee OC i think), Jack Del Rio (denver?), Jim Fassell (coaching in the now defunct UFL) to the list. bleh.


I didn't include anyone who is a coordinator or non-NFL coach, taking into account the Gerald Ford effect.
 
2012-11-07 01:07:31 PM

rickythepenguin: I'd say Billick or Gruden comes back first.


Gruden is quickly becoming one of the NFL's top on-air personalities. Given that he's probably now making a ton of money to talk about football (easy) as opposed to coach football (hard) I'd be very surprised to see him back in the NFL. But, who knows, ego and boredom might change his mind.
 
2012-11-07 01:08:13 PM

rickythepenguin: roc6783: Sean Payton?


isn't it about time for the annual "Where Will Bill Cowher Land?" rumor mill to start up?


Cowher is done, I think he finally convinced the media of that after 3 off seasons of "Where's the Chin and Spittle going?"
 
2012-11-07 01:15:36 PM

iamskibibitz: Given that he's probably now making a ton of money to talk about football (easy) as opposed to coach football (hard) I'd be very surprised to see him back in the NFL. But, who knows, ego and boredom might change his mind.



i think he would come back in a second. I could see him going to San Diego just so he could stick it to the Raiders.

I bet Gruden is back within two years.
 
2012-11-07 01:16:05 PM

roc6783: thecpt: roc6783: Treygreen13: roc6783: ddam: farbekrieg: Treygreen13: ***snip***


In his defense, he probably has to stop and think who is still available for plays.

"Who should I use in this set?...hmm. Jennings. wait no. Jordy...crap. Bens..aww crap... uh jermichashoot can't.....ahhhh OH PLAY CLOCK! Run someone off Bulaga!...(Rodgers sarcastically rolls his eyes, calmly walks to the line, and calls out his own play, a strike to Cobb in the end zone, jones runs the wrong route) aww ffffffuuuuuUUUUU BOMB IT TO COBB!!!!"

Touch down.

aaaaand scene

Fixed for truthiness


ftfm and for even more truthiness
 
2012-11-07 01:18:22 PM

Treygreen13: Tony Romo is not a headcase. He's frighteningly consistent. He has a bad game occasionally, just like every other QB. He's had 2 games with high INT totals this season but there's a story behind them. Statistically Tony is a solid QB in pretty much any situation.


Tony Romo's Annual DYAR:
2012: 10
2011: 4
2010: 19
2009: 7
2008: 11
2007: 4
2006: 8

What a model of consistency.
 
2012-11-07 01:32:03 PM

roc6783: List of living retired head coaches who will never return to coaching (feel free to add the ones I of course missed):

Bill Cowher
Brian Billick
Eric Mangini
Jim Mora Sr.
Herm Edwards
Tony Dungy
Jon Gruden
Mike Holmgren - Kind of doesn't count as he is a front office guy now
Joe Gibbs - Kind of doesn't count as he is a front office guy now
Bill Parcells
Steve Mariucci


I think Holmgren will be back as a coach. I wish Gruden and Cowher would so I wouldn't have to hear them talk any more.

germ78: Can the NFC North trade the Packers to the NFC East for the Cowboys? I hate being a fan of a team that has to deal with the well oiled machine that is the Packers twice a season. The Cowboys are only good once every 5-10 years, not year-in, year-out.


Man, don't do that. Packers games are the highlight (and often lowlight) of my season. I have so many relatives and friends that are cheeseheads.

/DET should turn in their NFC North "man card" until they start playing outside though.
 
2012-11-07 01:33:02 PM

Coach_J: Tony Romo's Annual DYAR:
2012: 10
2011: 4
2010: 19
2009: 7
2008: 11
2007: 4
2006: 8

What a model of consistency.


Roc pointed me into this site recently and I'm getting use to their statistics, but isn't that pretty damn good? The stats are going to be inconsistent as they are based off of the replacement that year and his dvoa is pretty high too.
 
2012-11-07 01:36:38 PM

skrame: /DET should turn in their NFC North "man card" until they start playing outside though.


Why do the Vikes get a pass? That roof got put back up.

/or is it because their moving west?
 
2012-11-07 01:54:58 PM

SkylineRecords: muck4doo: Setting the DVR for Jimmy Johnson: A Football Life tonight on NFL network. I'd like to see the whole fall out with Jones re-visited.

Have you seen ESPN's "30 for 30" on the University of Miami? Great special.


Will have to check that out
 
2012-11-07 01:58:04 PM

rickythepenguin: farbekrieg: snyder on the other hand has brought how many titles to dc?


I'll never forget Tony Kornheiser's on-air orgasm (airgasm?) when Washington resigned Dan Reeves circa 2005. he (Mistah Tony) was counting rings. "we're gettin' the band back together, maaaan!"


You mean Joe Gibbs, not Dan Reeves.
Tony Kornheiser made his reputation in the DC area in 1991. The Redskins dominated their first win, and he wrote a 'going to the superbowl get on the bandwagon' story. At the time he meant it to sort of be a joke about how passionate people would get after a single win--but every week the team won, or the loss was not significant, and eventually they won the Superbowl. The weekly editorials talked about the bandwagon, the musicians, the shiny polish, the trip to the playoffs, the snacks for the trip, he named names of fans and made good jokes for the time. It was must read stuff in the DC area at the time. He was joking on the air about those columns, which are probably still on washingtonpost.com if you care enough to find them.
 
2012-11-07 01:58:32 PM

Coach_J: Treygreen13:

Tony Romo's Annual DYAR:
2012: 10
2011: 4
2010: 19
2009: 7
2008: 11
2007: 4
2006: 8

What a model of consistency.


Uhh...that's his rank compared to everyone else in the league, not the stat. So he is ranked in the top 10 in DYAR 5 of his 7 years in the league. Seems somewhat consistent to me. I don't pay for their site, so i only see data from 2009-11, but all of his rate stats, except INTs, on pro-football-reference.com are above average almost every year too.
 
2012-11-07 02:35:24 PM
Why are there 73 posts about a 3-5 team with no QB, no head coach and no GM?
 
2012-11-07 02:39:22 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Why are there 73 posts about a 3-5 team with no QB, no head coach and no GM?


It's America's team. Duh.
 
2012-11-07 02:45:21 PM

Rhypskallion: Tony Kornheiser made his reputation in the DC area in 1991


oh, i knew that. he was just giddy as shiat when gibbs got hired.

i worked in DC and regret never going to ESPN Radio studios to get his book signed. i listened to his show daily on streaming internet and remember how during commercial breaks, they kept the mics hot. He would KILL ESPN. and drop tons of shiat, fark, "dumb sonofabiatch", etc. on the streaming radio. he was then suspended for awhile and when he came back, they didn't air the streaming stuff. i guess ESPN got tired of him wearing them out on commercial breaks.
 
2012-11-07 02:52:34 PM

rickythepenguin: poo. image blocked.


It was just the "oh you" picture, but it had on blonde hair & a bow LIKE ME!


grinding_journalist: Hay Di! I'm playing you this week in the Jinxes league. Need to turn this 2 game skid around. Good thing I get Hernandez and Welker back.


Hay GJ! Don't you mean 3 game skid? Ha! Hahaha! MUWAHAHAHAHAHA


HaywoodJablonski: Why are there 73 posts about a 3-5 team with no QB, no head coach and no GM?


Why is there one post complaining about other people posting in a thread? Just move onto the next story. You don't have to comment in every thread.
 
2012-11-07 02:55:14 PM

skrame: germ78: Can the NFC North trade the Packers to the NFC East for the Cowboys? I hate being a fan of a team that has to deal with the well oiled machine that is the Packers twice a season. The Cowboys are only good once every 5-10 years, not year-in, year-out.

Man, don't do that. Packers games are the highlight (and often lowlight) of my season. I have so many relatives and friends that are cheeseheads.


Oh, I don't doubt that Bears-Packers games are a lot of fun since I have quite a few Packer fan friends. It's just that they don't make many mistakes at an organizational level like the Bears and Lions have in the past.

/cutting Nick Barnett is the most recent mistake of theirs I can think of
//beyond that, maybe letting Favre linger with the club for too long, and that's about it for the last decade
///maybe a bad coach or two, but they usually corrected those problems quickly
 
2012-11-07 03:03:03 PM

thecpt: skrame: /DET should turn in their NFC North "man card" until they start playing outside though.

Why do the Vikes get a pass? That roof got put back up.

/or is it because their moving west?


I thought I had read here on fark that the new stadium would not be covered, or would have a retractable roof with games being played without roof unless there was thunderstorms in the forecast. Looking at vikings.com, I guess I remember wrong. Consider my statement amended.

germ78: Oh, I don't doubt that Bears-Packers games are a lot of fun since I have quite a few Packer fan friends. It's just that they don't make many mistakes at an organizational level like the Bears and Lions have in the past.


I think it's better for the Bears organization to play GB twice a year. I mean, how would we improve ourselves playing scrubs like DET and MN all the time?
 
2012-11-07 03:08:26 PM

germ78: /cutting Nick Barnett is the most recent mistake of theirs I can think of
//beyond that, maybe letting Favre linger with the club for too long, and that's about it for the last decade
///maybe a bad coach or two, but they usually corrected those problems quickly


Yeah the switch to the 3-4 and not resigning Cullen Jenkins and Barnett were their fails of recent memory. Really the Favre thing was the best outcome, he was playing well that yeah and they practically got to the super bowl and no one could predict choking of that magnitude. Its fun to be a fan of them right now, but its not like the Bears have been terrible. Cutler doesn't get hurt and suddenly the Packers only score 14 at soldier field and 2010 could have ended very differently.
 
2012-11-07 03:09:21 PM

Rhypskallion: rickythepenguin: farbekrieg: snyder on the other hand has brought how many titles to dc?


I'll never forget Tony Kornheiser's on-air orgasm (airgasm?) when Washington resigned Dan Reeves circa 2005. he (Mistah Tony) was counting rings. "we're gettin' the band back together, maaaan!"

You mean Joe Gibbs, not Dan Reeves.
Tony Kornheiser made his reputation in the DC area in 1991. The Redskins dominated their first win, and he wrote a 'going to the superbowl get on the bandwagon' story. At the time he meant it to sort of be a joke about how passionate people would get after a single win--but every week the team won, or the loss was not significant, and eventually they won the Superbowl. The weekly editorials talked about the bandwagon, the musicians, the shiny polish, the trip to the playoffs, the snacks for the trip, he named names of fans and made good jokes for the time. It was must read stuff in the DC area at the time. He was joking on the air about those columns, which are probably still on washingtonpost.com if you care enough to find them.


I had those all saved when I was a kid. The cartoons they had with them were even great.
 
2012-11-07 03:11:19 PM

roc6783: Coach_J: Treygreen13:

Tony Romo's Annual DYAR:
2012: 10
2011: 4
2010: 19
2009: 7
2008: 11
2007: 4
2006: 8

What a model of consistency.

Uhh...that's his rank compared to everyone else in the league, not the stat. So he is ranked in the top 10 in DYAR 5 of his 7 years in the league. Seems somewhat consistent to me. I don't pay for their site, so i only see data from 2009-11, but all of his rate stats, except INTs, on pro-football-reference.com are above average almost every year too.


My point (originally) was that he's basically the same player at all points in the game. The biggest knock on him for people who don't watch the games was that he wasn't good in "clutch" situations, but of course that led us to finding out that Tony had the best QB Rating in the 4th quarter and earlier this season one of the trivia stats was that in late and close games Tony is the most accurate passer in the league.

Tony's average QB rating is 95.3. Very good.

On the road, it's 95.6 - at home 95.0

In his career, these are his QB Ratings per year:
95.1, 97.4, 91.4, 97.6, 94.9, 102.5

His last full season, these are his situational stats:
1st Half - 107.2
2nd Half - 96.7
Last two minutes of half - 94.7
Within 7 - 98.1
Up by 15 - 105.5
Within 15 - 111.7
Ahead - 102.6
Ahead by 1-8 - 109.4
Ahead by 9-16 - 95.7
Behind - 102.9
Behind by 1-8 - 102.4
Behind by 9-16 - 112.3
Tied - 101.8
1st Quarter - 103.8
2nd Quarter - 109.5
3rd Quarter - 86.8
4th Quarter - 104.4
4th Quarter Within 7 - 99.8
Overtime - 116.7

If Tony was a headcase, he'd have huge swings in situations where he's just not as good. But he's essentially exactly the same passer regardless of down, distance, score, time, anything.
 
2012-11-07 03:29:19 PM

Treygreen13: roc6783: Coach_J: Treygreen13:

***snip***
If Tony was a headcase, he'd have huge swings in situations where he's just not as good. But he's essentially exactly the same passer regardless of down, distance, score, time, anything.


Firstly, i agree with you. Thusly, I was rebutting a weak statistical argument with other weak statistics in regards to your original assertion. Ergo, your argument, while parallel, is superior.
 
2012-11-07 03:31:06 PM

Treygreen13: If Tony was a headcase, he'd have huge swings in situations where he's just not as good. But he's essentially exactly the same passer regardless of down, distance, score, time, anything.


with the exception of this year
 
2012-11-07 03:40:06 PM

Di Atribe: Another Jerry Jones thread? He's crazy. He has an ego. I thought we already went over this?


We did. Several times. But I have to say I love his reasoning - "We're not structured that way." Of course he could just, you know, hire a GM. Then they'd be structured differently. I sort of have to respect the arrogance of an oil and gas guy with an insurance background who obviously loves football but at the same time has such a total lack of respect for his 'colleagues' that he could reasonably conclude that the best man for the job is himself.
 
2012-11-07 03:50:23 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Why are there 73 posts about a 3-5 team with no QB, no head coach and no GM?


Love or hate the Cowboys, you can't ignore them. Thank you for contributing to the the thread count.
 
2012-11-07 03:55:47 PM
Finally Jimmy!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/07/jimmy-johnson-calls- je rry-jones-g-m-claims-a-crock/

Jerry is an egotistical douche that has destroyed the greatest franchise in sports!
 
2012-11-07 04:02:49 PM

muck4doo: Finally Jimmy!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/07/jimmy-johnson-calls- je rry-jones-g-m-claims-a-crock/

Jerry is an egotistical douche that has destroyed the greatest franchise in sports!


Well, I don't know about all that but clearly he could not stand the fact that Jimmy got a lot of credit for the SB wins. Getting credit is the thing that scratches Jerry's itch - more than titles and more than money. This seems self-evident at this point.
 
2012-11-07 04:08:05 PM

thecpt: but its not like the Bears have been terrible.


True. It's just hardwired into my Bears fandom that I expect the collapse. I've seen plenty of promising Bears starts get nuked from orbit due to key injuries at inopportune times. Cutler and Forte last year, Tommie Harris in 2006, Jim Miller in 2001...

/if the Bears lose Peppers its game over man
 
2012-11-07 04:08:37 PM

muck4doo: I wish he would just put himself in the ring of honor and retire to his pizza business.


As an Eagles fan, I hope he and Andy Reid spend the next 14 years together.
 
2012-11-07 04:09:40 PM

JohnBigBootay: muck4doo: Finally Jimmy!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/07/jimmy-johnson-calls- je rry-jones-g-m-claims-a-crock/

Jerry is an egotistical douche that has destroyed the greatest franchise in sports!

Well, I don't know about all that but clearly he could not stand the fact that Jimmy got a lot of credit for the SB wins. Getting credit is the thing that scratches Jerry's itch - more than titles and more than money. This seems self-evident at this point.


He fired the greatest GM and coach he ever had in Johnson, and is now trying to take credit for building those SB winning teams. He wants to be known as a great football mind, and he isn't. He's a tard and a fool. Trust me, us Dallas fans appreciate that he is willing to spend money, and do what it takes to bring the new stadium and such, but he is the biggest dumbass in the league as a GM. There are so many people out there who could run the team better, but he won't let that happen because he wants full credit if he succeeds, but doesn't accept full credit for all his fails. The Cowboys Nation really need to start attacking him and get him to back down, but i expect he'll probably take the hose to us for doing so.
 
2012-11-07 04:18:33 PM

germ78: True. It's just hardwired into my Bears fandom that I expect the collapse. I've seen plenty of promising Bears starts get nuked from orbit due to key injuries at inopportune times. Cutler and Forte last year, Tommie Harris in 2006, Jim Miller in 2001...

/if the Bears lose Peppers its game over man


I just saw on the ticker that Tillman might be out this sunday due to his wife popping one out. That would suck to happen. As a football fan I want to see him and Andre Johnson duke it out, also Foster is getting an attitude and I would love to see a strong corner pop him when he undoubtedly bounces a run to the outside.

Been generally waiting to see the Bears play good teams.
/mainly for the Pack's sake
 
2012-11-07 04:23:23 PM
As an aside, I was watching DCC - Making the Team (or squad or whatever they're called) last week, and they had a segment where Jerruh was speaking at an event - training camp in California, I think. Holy crap, he looks terrible and sounds worse. Age is catching up to that sumbeetch no matter how much he f*cks up his face.

//you're all missing one thing - penalties are the achilles' heel of this team
/the Curse of the Cowboys are the stupid pile of ridiculous penalties, all game, every game
///been that way since I was a lil kid
 
2012-11-07 04:27:01 PM
Dear Cowboys fans,

See you in about 15 years after Jerry Jones is taking his dirt nap.

Sincerely,

Relevance
 
2012-11-07 04:28:30 PM

muck4doo: He fired the greatest GM and coach he ever had in Johnson, and is now trying to take credit for building those SB winning teams. He wants to be known as a great football mind, and he isn't. He's a tard and a fool. Trust me, us Dallas fans appreciate that he is willing to spend money, and do what it takes to bring the new stadium and such, but he is the biggest dumbass in the league as a GM. There are so many people out there who could run the team better, but he won't let that happen because he wants full credit if he succeeds, but doesn't accept full credit for all his fails. The Cowboys Nation really need to start attacking him and get him to back down, but i expect he'll probably take the hose to us for doing so.


Well, I hate to just parrot the old Al Davis comparisons but who else gets rid of coaches that just went to the super bowl? I think you'll just have to get used to it. A shiat sandwich and a cowboy SB trophy with someone else calling the shots have equivalent appeal to JJ. I have no doubt that he'll keep the job much longer than common sense would dictate but 70 years old is 70 years old. Dude ain't gonna last forever. At some point even he will realize he's getting too old for this shiat. Unless he really is another Al Davis. Either way the fan base will be set free in less than a decade at worst - he's not gonna be an 80 year old GM.
 
2012-11-07 04:31:55 PM

raptusregaliter: Holy crap, he looks terrible and sounds worse. Age is catching up to that sumbeetch no matter how much he f*cks up his face.


If Jerry hasn't had some work done I'll eat my hat. Dollars to doughnuts he's way into alternative not approved by the FDA anti-aging treatments. I'm sure the cryogenic agreement is already in place.
 
2012-11-07 04:37:09 PM

JohnBigBootay: muck4doo: He fired the greatest GM and coach he ever had in Johnson, and is now trying to take credit for building those SB winning teams. He wants to be known as a great football mind, and he isn't. He's a tard and a fool. Trust me, us Dallas fans appreciate that he is willing to spend money, and do what it takes to bring the new stadium and such, but he is the biggest dumbass in the league as a GM. There are so many people out there who could run the team better, but he won't let that happen because he wants full credit if he succeeds, but doesn't accept full credit for all his fails. The Cowboys Nation really need to start attacking him and get him to back down, but i expect he'll probably take the hose to us for doing so.

Well, I hate to just parrot the old Al Davis comparisons but who else gets rid of coaches that just went to the super bowl? I think you'll just have to get used to it. A shiat sandwich and a cowboy SB trophy with someone else calling the shots have equivalent appeal to JJ. I have no doubt that he'll keep the job much longer than common sense would dictate but 70 years old is 70 years old. Dude ain't gonna last forever. At some point even he will realize he's getting too old for this shiat. Unless he really is another Al Davis. Either way the fan base will be set free in less than a decade at worst - he's not gonna be an 80 year old GM.


The fan base is sick of him now. He has ruined this team.
 
2012-11-07 05:01:33 PM
Jerry Jones is a cancer on pro football...

i1182.photobucket.com

... and HE'S the cure.
 
2012-11-07 05:07:44 PM

thecpt: germ78: True. It's just hardwired into my Bears fandom that I expect the collapse. I've seen plenty of promising Bears starts get nuked from orbit due to key injuries at inopportune times. Cutler and Forte last year, Tommie Harris in 2006, Jim Miller in 2001...

/if the Bears lose Peppers its game over man

I just saw on the ticker that Tillman might be out this sunday due to his wife popping one out. That would suck to happen. As a football fan I want to see him and Andre Johnson duke it out, also Foster is getting an attitude and I would love to see a strong corner pop him when he undoubtedly bounces a run to the outside.

Been generally waiting to see the Bears play good teams.
/mainly for the Pack's sake


Well at least the Pack still has Matthews and Perry to sustain the pass rush....oh shiatburger.
 
2012-11-07 05:15:59 PM

roc6783: Well at least the Pack still has Matthews and Perry to sustain the pass rush....oh shiatburger.


And woodson to cover the ... OH COME ON
 
2012-11-07 05:28:05 PM

thecpt: roc6783: Well at least the Pack still has Matthews and Perry to sustain the pass rush....oh shiatburger.

And woodson to cover the ... OH COME ON


I haz a sad. In other news, in case you haven't checked the PR thread from yesterday, robsul FORGOT THE JAKE.
 
2012-11-07 05:29:36 PM

muck4doo: Finally Jimmy!


Dammit I love that guy so much. JIMMY IF YOU'RE READING THIS I LOVE YOU


JohnBigBootay: Getting credit is the thing that scratches Jerry's itch - more than titles and more than money. This seems self-evident at this point.


You know what? If he hired a good GM for us that took us back to the SB, he'd get credit for doing that. We'd all be so grateful & we wouldn't forget the relief we felt. I won't hold my breath, though.


JohnBigBootay: raptusregaliter: Holy crap, he looks terrible and sounds worse. Age is catching up to that sumbeetch no matter how much he f*cks up his face.

If Jerry hasn't had some work done I'll eat my hat. Dollars to doughnuts he's way into alternative not approved by the FDA anti-aging treatments. I'm sure the cryogenic agreement is already in place.


His mother just died at the age of like, 110. He has the longevity gene. He has the money to buy the best in experimental surgery and cyborg technology, so we're basically hosed.
 
2012-11-07 05:53:08 PM

Di Atribe: You know what? If he hired a good GM for us that took us back to the SB, he'd get credit for doing that. We'd all be so grateful & we wouldn't forget the relief we felt. I won't hold my breath, though.


You are right of course. And the fans would love him if he did that. Unfortunately, Jerry does not give two shiats about being loved.

Di Atribe: His mother just died at the age of like, 110. He has the longevity gene. He has the money to buy the best in experimental surgery and cyborg technology, so we're basically hosed.


It would be pretty cool to see The Borg Queen as the GM of an NFL football team. Anyway, I don't wish to put forth the idea that Jerry is incompetent. The man knows a lot about football. He is, in fact, a professional football personnel director and has undoubtedly gained a ton of knowledge in his tenure. The Cowboys have had good teams since he's been flying solo and they've certainly been competitive lots of times. The problem is though, that by settling for competent you give up on the exceptional. Every now and then a franchise finds a great formula with a particular coach/president/GM and has a run of sustained success. Gonna be hard for Jerry to duplicate that while simultaneously running the whole show and at 70 it's not likely he's going to get lots better at the job. If nothing else you can take solace in the fact that he's still a financial wizard. one day he'll be gone and his successor will take over an otherwise well run organization that's flush with cash and ready to make good things happen.
 
2012-11-07 06:04:59 PM

farbekrieg: PluckYew: Please stop comparing Jerry Jones to Al Davis. Al was a football genius until 2002 or '03 by the time he passed he had forgotten more about football than Jerry will ever know. I hated him for moving the team to LA, costing them their identity and mystique.

He turned a used car lot and minority stake in a fledgling football team into a recognizable brand and for a time, the winningest franchise in professional sports. Jerry Jones took an established national brand and turned it into a .500 football team because of his ego.

There's worlds of difference between the two and comparisons are unfair to Al, who I wouldn't piss on if his ashes were on fire.

Jones to Dan Snyder references are legitimate.

Short answer, no.

Jerry 3 rings Davis 3 rings
al davis owner record 333-285 .539
jerry jones owner record 201-175 .535

both consumed by egomania, both made some good and not so good moves

snyder on the other hand has brought how many titles to dc?


Oh I see you are a child. Thanks, I have you marked as such. Read a little history and find out that Al meant more to the NFL and AFL than his 'record'. Just because it's all YOU know of or remember means you should pick up a book and do a little research.

Al was the AFL's war time commissioner in '66 and would have won the war if Lamar Hunt hadn't surrendered behind his back (good thing too). If Al had won, people today would know as much about the Green Bay Packers as they do about the Chicago Cardinals.

Al knew the Raiders belonged to HIM and he could put them in any city that would suck his dick. Pete Rozelle tried to stop him and the result is one of the most awkward Lombardi trophy presentations ever

SB 18 Lombardi look at what Al is doing when Rozelle is recounting the way the Raiders dismantled the Redskins.

Even with his mental faculties leaving him, he still put together a team that went to the Super Bowl, Jerry's team can't even get to the conference title game since Jimmy's players left.

Al Davis > Jerry Jones
 
2012-11-07 06:17:02 PM
PluckYew

While Al definitely went nuts and became a parody of himself, he certainly deserves an honored place in the history of the league and you are right to point it out. he was a crazy old man... but he wasn't just a crazy old man. He's the crazy old man who had a large part in building the league we now know and usually love.
 
2012-11-07 06:24:09 PM

JohnBigBootay: It would be pretty cool to see The Borg Queen as the GM of an NFL football team. Anyway, I don't wish to put forth the idea that Jerry is incompetent. The man knows a lot about football. He is, in fact, a professional football personnel director and has undoubtedly gained a ton of knowledge in his tenure. The Cowboys have had good teams since he's been flying solo and they've certainly been competitive lots of times. The problem is though, that by settling for competent you give up on the exceptional. Every now and then a franchise finds a great formula with a particular coach/president/GM and has a run of sustained success. Gonna be hard for Jerry to duplicate that while simultaneously running the whole show and at 70 it's not likely he's going to get lots better at the job. If nothing else you can take solace in the fact that he's still a financial wizard. one day he'll be gone and his successor will take over an otherwise well run organization that's flush with cash and ready to make good things happen.


I wonder... who are some other long term (like greater than 10 years) GM's in the league? Are there any out there that have had long-term success? I really don't know because generally I don't give a crap about other teams' front offices, because why would I?
 
2012-11-07 06:27:11 PM

farbekrieg: Treygreen13: If Tony was a headcase, he'd have huge swings in situations where he's just not as good. But he's essentially exactly the same passer regardless of down, distance, score, time, anything.

with the exception of this year


This year he's had down numbers across the board - and an increased INT total. But unless there's been some emotional trauma in his life recently it would seem that the "headcase" thing is sort of unprovable.
 
2012-11-07 06:30:10 PM

Di Atribe: I wonder... who are some other long term (like greater than 10 years) GM's in the league? Are there any out there that have had long-term success? I really don't know because generally I don't give a crap about other teams' front offices, because why would I?


Can't find a complete list while at work but several of these dudes have been around longer than a decade at least...

http://www.lostlettermen.com/top-10-draft-masters-nfls-top-10-general - managers/
 
2012-11-07 06:34:04 PM

Di Atribe: rickythepenguin: poo. image blocked.

It was just the "oh you" picture, but it had on blonde hair & a bow LIKE ME!


grinding_journalist: Hay Di! I'm playing you this week in the Jinxes league. Need to turn this 2 game skid around. Good thing I get Hernandez and Welker back.

Hay GJ! Don't you mean 3 game skid? Ha! Hahaha! MUWAHAHAHAHAHA


HaywoodJablonski: Why are there 73 posts about a 3-5 team with no QB, no head coach and no GM?

Why is there one post complaining about other people posting in a thread? Just move onto the next story. You don't have to comment in every thread.


:-P
 
2012-11-07 08:09:53 PM

intotheabyss81: Romolicious


ezrahub.com
 
2012-11-07 09:58:02 PM

roc6783: Coach_J: Treygreen13:

Tony Romo's Annual DYAR:
2012: 10
2011: 4
2010: 19
2009: 7
2008: 11
2007: 4
2006: 8

What a model of consistency.

Uhh...that's his rank compared to everyone else in the league, not the stat. So he is ranked in the top 10 in DYAR 5 of his 7 years in the league. Seems somewhat consistent to me. I don't pay for their site, so i only see data from 2009-11, but all of his rate stats, except INTs, on pro-football-reference.com are above average almost every year too.


Of course it's his league ranking Sherlock and your takeaway is ridiculous and nonsensical. 19th in the league one year to 4th the next...then 10th? That's "somewhat consistent"?...in a word, no. Of course it's not.

Romo-slappy said "He's frighteningly consistent."...not "he's above average almost every year"...how can be be the 4th best QB in the league and the next year be lower in DVOA than Delhomme?

How can he go from being worse and Vince Young one year and the next year being almost neck and neck with Brees, Rodgers and Brady? This. Is. Not. Consistent. QBing. Performance.

Brees, Rodgers, Ryan, Brady, Eli, Manning...these are consistent QBs over their careers...Romo doesn't belong on this list...this year is perfect indicator.
 
2012-11-07 10:05:03 PM

Treygreen13: roc6783: Coach_J: Treygreen13:

Tony Romo's Annual DYAR:
2012: 10
2011: 4
2010: 19
2009: 7
2008: 11
2007: 4
2006: 8

What a model of consistency.

Uhh...that's his rank compared to everyone else in the league, not the stat. So he is ranked in the top 10 in DYAR 5 of his 7 years in the league. Seems somewhat consistent to me. I don't pay for their site, so i only see data from 2009-11, but all of his rate stats, except INTs, on pro-football-reference.com are above average almost every year too.

My point (originally) was that he's basically the same player at all points in the game. The biggest knock on him for people who don't watch the games was that he wasn't good in "clutch" situations, but of course that led us to finding out that Tony had the best QB Rating in the 4th quarter and earlier this season one of the trivia stats was that in late and close games Tony is the most accurate passer in the league.

Tony's average QB rating is 95.3. Very good.

On the road, it's 95.6 - at home 95.0

In his career, these are his QB Ratings per year:
95.1, 97.4, 91.4, 97.6, 94.9, 102.5

His last full season, these are his situational stats:
1st Half - 107.2
2nd Half - 96.7
Last two minutes of half - 94.7
Within 7 - 98.1
Up by 15 - 105.5
Within 15 - 111.7
Ahead - 102.6
Ahead by 1-8 - 109.4
Ahead by 9-16 - 95.7
Behind - 102.9
Behind by 1-8 - 102.4
Behind by 9-16 - 112.3
Tied - 101.8
1st Quarter - 103.8
2nd Quarter - 109.5
3rd Quarter - 86.8
4th Quarter - 104.4
4th Quarter Within 7 - 99.8
Overtime - 116.7

If Tony was a headcase, he'd have huge swings in situations where he's just not as good. But he's essentially exactly the same passer regardless of down, distance, score, time, anything.


No, no he's not.

Tony Romo Career Passer Rating: 95.9

Tony Romo Career Post Season Passer Rating: 81.4
 
2012-11-07 10:36:01 PM

JohnBigBootay: I'm sure the cryogenic agreement is already in place.


It's the only way to insure he is "alive" when the Cowboys win another Super Bowl.
 
2012-11-08 12:26:52 AM

germ78: Can the NFC North trade the Packers to the NFC East for the Cowboys? I hate being a fan of a team that has to deal with the well oiled machine that is the Packers twice a season. The Cowboys are only good once every 5-10 years, not year-in, year-out.


I guess some people ignore or forget that green bay sucked for 25 years.
 
2012-11-08 03:01:17 AM
um, has anyone pointed out to subby that the man has superbowl rings? Subby has no superbowl rings. Just like MOST GMs doing GM work in the NFL.
 
2012-11-08 07:58:43 AM
The problem with jerry is he doesn't fix a problem until he is beat over the head with it for a few years. He likes to spend big money on the flashy positions, the guys who make the big plays. But he doesn't invest in the core of the team. The offensive line, defensive line, coaching staff....etc.

The last decent coach they had was Parcells. Jerry kicked him to the curb and let Wade 'Cupcake' Phillips ride the team into the ground.

Garrett is an average OC. He is a terrible HC. Romo is not, nor has he ever been the issue with this team. He has had his moments where he lost the game for them, but the same can be said of key players in other positions.

Barring an uncapped year where Jerry can buy the best players out there.....I don't see this team going anywhere without an overhaul of the o-line and coaching staff. Rob Ryan seems to have turned things around quite a bit. But they still allow teams to march down the field as will in clutch situations.
 
2012-11-08 11:14:47 AM

I sound fat: um, has anyone pointed out to subby that the man has superbowl rings? Subby has no superbowl rings. Just like MOST GMs doing GM work in the NFL.


Number of rings is only relevant when it is your guy. Somebody else's guy? Irrelevant.
 
2012-11-08 12:42:31 PM

JohnBigBootay: http://www.lostlettermen.com/top-10-draft-masters-nfls-top-10-general - managers/


Not found 404 :(


HaywoodJablonski: :-P


:)


Mad Mark: intotheabyss81: Romolicious

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LEAVE TONY ALONE
 
2012-11-08 02:40:02 PM

I sound fat: um, has anyone pointed out to subby that the man has superbowl rings? Subby has no superbowl rings. Just like MOST GMs doing GM work in the NFL.


Jerry's rings are a direct result of Jimmy Johnson's GM moves.

Remove the spaces around the last dash:

http://www.lostlettermen.com/top-10-draft-masters-nfls-top-10-general - managers/

Link
 
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