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2012-11-07 11:48:43 AM

jigsawspartan: When Rove made the comment they had given him numbers saying there was only a 900 vote difference between the two, with 20% left to be tallied. All he did was say that it was too close to call so soon. When they came back and gave him the up to date numbers he agreed with the. So what's the big deal?

This thread is as lefty biased as Rove is to the right.


What I heard was that the majority of votes yet to be tallied were from very heavy Democratic counties. So much so that the GOP in Ohio called it for Obama and then went home for the night.

This is how/why so many states 'call it' for a candidate even with only 1% of the vote in.
 
2012-11-07 11:48:52 AM
What I was a able to see was a bunch of local anchors being all polite -and genuinely happy- about Obama winning. Didn't really see the angry Fox I always see on the YouTube clips. Then again, I was watching the internet feed.
 
2012-11-07 11:49:46 AM

Walt_Jizzney: ThatGuyGreg: Cythraul: greentea1985: It was so amusing watching this unfold on Fox News last night.

I wish I could have seen that. Hopefully there are some youtube records of it.

Here ya go.

Is this the clip related to the subby?


It was subby.... adjacent? Um, no, that was the other fail. Which is now my fail. There's enough to go around.

This is the hallway weirdness.
 
2012-11-07 11:51:40 AM

jigsawspartan: When Rove made the comment they had given him numbers saying there was only a 900 vote difference between the two, with 20% left to be tallied. All he did was say that it was too close to call so soon. When they came back and gave him the up to date numbers he agreed with the. So what's the big deal?

This thread is as lefty biased as Rove is to the right.


BS. He knew they had different numbers than he did (the people making the call). He slipped that in a little later on
 
2012-11-07 11:51:51 AM

Jake Havechek: Oh man, I missed cranky old fascist O'Reilly's butt hurt comments, too.

On the other hand, that idiot Chris Matthews from MSNBC

The fark does Chris Matthews have to do with anything?


It must be noted that both sides are equally bad.
 
2012-11-07 11:52:00 AM
The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.

Lies and voter suppression is all they have left. That didn't work out either, but at least is less expensive.
 
2012-11-07 11:52:29 AM
Last night, watching Rove on Fox was like the episode of "The Office" when Michael Scott's paper company went broke.

Michael Scott: "I would like you to crunch those numbers again."
Accountant: "It's a program, there's no such thing as..."
Michael Scott: "Just crunch em, just crunch em please."
Accountant: *refreshes spreadsheet* "Crunch."
 
2012-11-07 11:52:35 AM

MarshHawk: I never thought I would say this, but last night when the co-anchor was asked to trot down the hall, microphone in hand, to reconcile their decision room's call with Rove's long-outdated numbers, knowing all the while that Rove was in a heated discussion with Romney's advisors about postponing the concession speech, I was honestly embarrassed for Fox News.


That was always the thing about Fox News for me. I've never been able to stand it because it's simply so embarrassing. I'm one of those people who feels for anyone empathetically and it just makes me cringe inside with pure pity when the woman on the street trips and falls down with her skirt over her head, of the drunk jackass who hits on someone and vomits on them, or those pundits spewing utter nonsense. If I had cable I'd certainly have had switched to Fox a couple of times only to quickly change it back out of nothing but ... embarrassment for them.
 
2012-11-07 11:53:34 AM
That was the thing about the whole fiasco.

In that environment everyone kind of moves together. Even when they don't agree there's a to and fro that you see on the cameras and everyone is with it and working as a team and keeping up.

Karl kind of acted like he was a guy that was on the verge of a stroke, missing verbal cues, shuffling papers, and responding almost defiantly that it was too early to tell. It was less like what you would think and more tragic like a newsflash came in regarding a house on fire and it turned out to be the home of one of the talking heads.

FOX didn't really help themselves all that much. Bringing out the numbers nerds wasn't going to convince them so they had to make a decision to either disregard Karl and hope he just kind of wanders off or they stay with him and either get him back on board quickly and play ball or he soon becomes the story.

All things said, he shouldn't have been on that stage to begin with.
 
2012-11-07 11:53:59 AM

Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.

Lies and voter suppression is all they have left. That didn't work out either, but at least is less expensive.


They'll focus the money at House races instead of national ones. A 10 million dollars can buy a few Representatives and doesn't even more the national polls.
 
2012-11-07 11:54:04 AM
Considering Karl Rove wasted $170 million trying to get Romney elected, I was expecting a catatonic meltdown. This seems reasonably tame.

And Megyn Kelly is damn hot.
 
2012-11-07 11:55:39 AM

Kumana Wanalaia: ddam: Karl Rove did what Karl Rove does.

On the other hand, that idiot Chris Matthews from MSNBC needs to get fired and not allowed back on TV ever. What a disgrace that man is.

He mad


Why would I be mad? I'm a liberal a 1000 miles to the left of Obama and there's no way I would have voted for Romney. I just don't understand how a paid pundit like Chris Matthews can say that he's glad we had the storm we had last week. There are many different ways to say that Obama looked presidential following a natural disaster but being glad for a storm that killed around 100 people and has devastated a whole area is almost the worst thing you can say.
 
2012-11-07 11:56:28 AM

Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.


I hope so. On the flip side, will us liberals stop with the "corporations are buying elections! Citizens United!"?
 
2012-11-07 11:56:54 AM

Nadie_AZ: jigsawspartan: When Rove made the comment they had given him numbers saying there was only a 900 vote difference between the two, with 20% left to be tallied. All he did was say that it was too close to call so soon. When they came back and gave him the up to date numbers he agreed with the. So what's the big deal?

This thread is as lefty biased as Rove is to the right.

What I heard was that the majority of votes yet to be tallied were from very heavy Democratic counties. So much so that the GOP in Ohio called it for Obama and then went home for the night.

This is how/why so many states 'call it' for a candidate even with only 1% of the vote in.


Correct, what I'm pointing out is that he didn't have those numbers as he said throughout, he explained it from his numbers that there was a 900 vote difference, and in his Butler ( If memory serves) which is mostly red, hadn't been counted when they actually had. So his numbers weren't as up to date. He repeatedly said "hey I'm not saying Obama hasn't won, I'm just saying from the numbers I have been given, it's still too close to call it"

Things like this "civil war" just irk me when it's so exaggerated.
 
2012-11-07 11:57:52 AM

CapeFearCadaver: If I had cable I'd certainly have had switched to Fox a couple of times only to quickly change it back out of nothing but ... embarrassment for them.


Congrats, you're one of today's lucky 10,000. I have a great new word for you. It's German. Fremdscham: Almost the opposite of Schadenfreude, Fremdscham is the feeling of being embarrassed for someone else (presumably someone who's not embarrassed for themselves, but should be.)
 
2012-11-07 11:57:59 AM

Cythraul: greentea1985: It was so amusing watching this unfold on Fox News last night.

I wish I could have seen that. Hopefully there are some youtube records of it.


Daily Beast has it all for you on their site.
 
2012-11-07 12:00:35 PM

Smackledorfer: Yes, when you consider ALL non-white/non-male people to be one group, then white males are the farking minority. I would be insulted as fark by that if I were a woman, especially a white woman.


White woman here; was done with being insulted quite a while ago. All I can garner now is a small roll of the eyes and shake of the head.

/it helps getting to this point when your father is constantly lambasting you as well because your not, well, a son.
 
2012-11-07 12:00:42 PM

Zerochance: Considering Karl Rove wasted $170 million trying to get Romney elected, I was expecting a catatonic meltdown. This seems reasonably tame.


That's why it was an especially rich piece of schadenfreude. Not only did Romney lose but Karl's out $170 Million; might as well had done a Joker and set it on fire.

And Megyn Kelly is damn hot.

While she has a Lamborghini body, she's got a Ford Pinto brain.
 
2012-11-07 12:02:48 PM

tarheel07: Jake Havechek: Oh man, I missed cranky old fascist O'Reilly's butt hurt comments, too.

On the other hand, that idiot Chris Matthews from MSNBC

The fark does Chris Matthews have to do with anything?

I don't know either. Other than the fact at one point it looked like his pen had burst while chewing on it. Anyone else notice dark patches in the corners of his mouth at one point?


That was bile... From one of the stagehands that crossed him.
 
2012-11-07 12:05:11 PM

Rwa2play: Zerochance: Considering Karl Rove wasted $170 million trying to get Romney elected, I was expecting a catatonic meltdown. This seems reasonably tame.

That's why it was an especially rich piece of schadenfreude. Not only did Romney lose but Karl's out $170 Million; might as well had done a Joker and set it on fire.

And Megyn Kelly is damn hot.

While she has a Lamborghini body, she's got a Ford Pinto brain.


I just went to Michelle Malkin's website for my share of schadenfreude. The article she wrote was bland and sad. The comments? Tingling with butthurt and resentment.
 
2012-11-07 12:05:13 PM

jigsawspartan: Things like this "civil war" just irk me when it's so exaggerated.


I agree.
 
2012-11-07 12:06:21 PM

WinoRhino: Fremdscham


Cool. Thanks for the new word!

/ashamed, I took German in College...
 
2012-11-07 12:06:40 PM

Carth: Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.

Lies and voter suppression is all they have left. That didn't work out either, but at least is less expensive.

They'll focus the money at House races instead of national ones. A 10 million dollars can buy a few Representatives and doesn't even more the national polls.


The key is redistricting. That's what put GOP House reps in safe districts. The new district maps in Illinois, darwn by the Democratic Illinois Hosue speaker, got new Dems in the House.

Now the Dems will get to draw a lot of the next maps.

The 2014 House Election will a be a GOP bloodbath.
 
2012-11-07 12:06:43 PM

Carth: Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.

Lies and voter suppression is all they have left. That didn't work out either, but at least is less expensive.

They'll focus the money at House races instead of national ones. A 10 million dollars can buy a few Representatives and doesn't even more the national polls.


Damn it, your right.
 
2012-11-07 12:07:19 PM

Bontesla: Someone's overusing the term, "civil war"


Indeed. Civility is sorely lacking on that channel.
 
2012-11-07 12:10:04 PM

Rwa2play: Zerochance: Considering Karl Rove wasted $170 million trying to get Romney elected, I was expecting a catatonic meltdown. This seems reasonably tame.

That's why it was an especially rich piece of schadenfreude. Not only did Romney lose but Karl's out $170 Million; might as well had done a Joker and set it on fire.

And Megyn Kelly is damn hot.

While she has a Lamborghini body, she's got a Ford Pinto brain.


So if you hit it from behind she'll explode?
 
2012-11-07 12:10:45 PM

netringer: Now the Dems will get to draw a lot of the next maps.


Eh?

Won't the next redistricting not be until after 2020's census?

2014 is a midterm and likely to favor Republicans due to lower voter turnout.
 
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2012-11-07 12:11:15 PM
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2012-11-07 12:11:18 PM

tarheel07: Jake Havechek: Oh man, I missed cranky old fascist O'Reilly's butt hurt comments, too.

On the other hand, that idiot Chris Matthews from MSNBC

The fark does Chris Matthews have to do with anything?

I don't know either. Other than the fact at one point it looked like his pen had burst while chewing on it. Anyone else notice dark patches in the corners of his mouth at one point?


He was just having a few problems with his human disguise and some of his reptilian skin started showing through.
 
2012-11-07 12:11:18 PM

CygnusDarius: Rwa2play: Zerochance: Considering Karl Rove wasted $170 million trying to get Romney elected, I was expecting a catatonic meltdown. This seems reasonably tame.

That's why it was an especially rich piece of schadenfreude. Not only did Romney lose but Karl's out $170 Million; might as well had done a Joker and set it on fire.

And Megyn Kelly is damn hot.

While she has a Lamborghini body, she's got a Ford Pinto brain.

I just went to Michelle Malkin's website for my share of schadenfreude. The article she wrote was bland and sad. The comments? Tingling with butthurt and resentment.


You need to get over to DickMorrisdotcom, the comments there will put a smile on your face for a month!
 
2012-11-07 12:11:57 PM
Dammit, I missed it. I wonder if they'd consider doing a re-run of their whole nightly broadcast. It would probably get huge ratings.
 
2012-11-07 12:18:17 PM

EighthDay: netringer: Now the Dems will get to draw a lot of the next maps.

Eh?

Won't the next redistricting not be until after 2020's census?

2014 is a midterm and likely to favor Republicans due to lower voter turnout.


Oh. We have to just hoep for further smartening of America.

The economy is going to naturally get better, but the derpers will have plenty of new derp by then.
 
2012-11-07 12:20:20 PM
'Karl Rove meltdown' on google:

About 687,000 results (0.16 seconds)
 
2012-11-07 12:20:53 PM

netringer: Carth: Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.

Lies and voter suppression is all they have left. That didn't work out either, but at least is less expensive.

They'll focus the money at House races instead of national ones. A 10 million dollars can buy a few Representatives and doesn't even more the national polls.

The key is redistricting. That's what put GOP House reps in safe districts. The new district maps in Illinois, darwn by the Democratic Illinois Hosue speaker, got new Dems in the House.

Now the Dems will get to draw a lot of the next maps.

The 2014 House Election will a be a GOP bloodbath.


I think that's optimistic. Democrats suck at mid-year elections, while Republicans are typically galvanized. Every recent significant GOP gain in the house has come in off year elections.
 
2012-11-07 12:22:49 PM

Rent Party: netringer: Carth: Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.

Lies and voter suppression is all they have left. That didn't work out either, but at least is less expensive.

They'll focus the money at House races instead of national ones. A 10 million dollars can buy a few Representatives and doesn't even more the national polls.

The key is redistricting. That's what put GOP House reps in safe districts. The new district maps in Illinois, darwn by the Democratic Illinois Hosue speaker, got new Dems in the House.

Now the Dems will get to draw a lot of the next maps.

The 2014 House Election will a be a GOP bloodbath.

I think that's optimistic. Democrats suck at mid-year elections, while Republicans are typically galvanized. Every recent significant GOP gain in the house has come in off year elections.


I think the GOP will go overboard fighting Obama on everything and will overplay their hand. They'll get whitewashed in '14 and probably screw up '16 in the process
 
2012-11-07 12:23:20 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Walt_Jizzney: ThatGuyGreg: Cythraul: greentea1985: It was so amusing watching this unfold on Fox News last night.

I wish I could have seen that. Hopefully there are some youtube records of it.

Here ya go.

Is this the clip related to the subby?

It was subby.... adjacent? Um, no, that was the other fail. Which is now my fail. There's enough to go around.

This is the hallway weirdness.


Why did they rehearse walking down to the numbers room?
 
2012-11-07 12:24:17 PM

steverockson: CygnusDarius: Rwa2play: Zerochance: Considering Karl Rove wasted $170 million trying to get Romney elected, I was expecting a catatonic meltdown. This seems reasonably tame.

That's why it was an especially rich piece of schadenfreude. Not only did Romney lose but Karl's out $170 Million; might as well had done a Joker and set it on fire.

And Megyn Kelly is damn hot.

While she has a Lamborghini body, she's got a Ford Pinto brain.

I just went to Michelle Malkin's website for my share of schadenfreude. The article she wrote was bland and sad. The comments? Tingling with butthurt and resentment.

You need to get over to DickMorrisdotcom, the comments there will put a smile on your face for a month!


Holy crap, you're right:

Obama has ruined the democratic party by not recognizing the value of the "loyal opposition." The founding fathers very wisely saw the need for checks and balances and debate on every issue regardless of the party. When the party in power has all the power corruption is absolute as we see with Obama. He is operating by executive fiat and our country was never designed to run that way... which is in fact dictatorial. Why prominent democrats do not understand this or take it to heart causes me to fear we are losing our country faster than we can imagine.

---

Take heart Mr Turner, the Founders, in their prescient wisdom, gave us the 2d Amendment. And if I may disagree, Obama isn't the start of the traitorous turn of the so called "democrat" party. If you are one of the old school democrats of yore, recall President Reagan's quote: "I didn't leave the democrat party...it left me.
 
2012-11-07 12:29:02 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Rwa2play: Zerochance: Considering Karl Rove wasted $170 million trying to get Romney elected, I was expecting a catatonic meltdown. This seems reasonably tame.

That's why it was an especially rich piece of schadenfreude. Not only did Romney lose but Karl's out $170 Million; might as well had done a Joker and set it on fire.

And Megyn Kelly is damn hot.

While she has a Lamborghini body, she's got a Ford Pinto brain.

So if you hit it from behind she'll explode?


*snert*
 
2012-11-07 12:31:20 PM

Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.


I rather expect that they will decide that they didn't spend *enough* money to overcome "teh lieberal MSM media"

netringer: The 2014 House Election will a be a GOP bloodbath.


From your lips to God's ears. Inshallah!
.
 
2012-11-07 12:32:17 PM
He was later removed from the studio in handcuffs.
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2012-11-07 12:32:27 PM

Peter von Nostrand: jigsawspartan: When Rove made the comment they had given him numbers saying there was only a 900 vote difference between the two, with 20% left to be tallied. All he did was say that it was too close to call so soon. When they came back and gave him the up to date numbers he agreed with the. So what's the big deal?

This thread is as lefty biased as Rove is to the right.

BS. He knew they had different numbers than he did (the people making the call). He slipped that in a little later on


Not true. He repeatedly read out the numbers he had. What he said at the end was if I had the numbers at 30,000 like they did I would have been much more comfortable, but 900 is too close to call.
 
2012-11-07 12:33:36 PM

WinoRhino: CapeFearCadaver: If I had cable I'd certainly have had switched to Fox a couple of times only to quickly change it back out of nothing but ... embarrassment for them.

Congrats, you're one of today's lucky 10,000. I have a great new word for you. It's German. Fremdscham: Almost the opposite of Schadenfreude, Fremdscham is the feeling of being embarrassed for someone else (presumably someone who's not embarrassed for themselves, but should be.)


That word succinctly explains why I cannot watch modern american sitcoms.

/And why The Office causes me *physical pain*.
//I do not like embarrassment humor.
 
2012-11-07 12:35:13 PM

MarshHawk: I never thought I would say this, but last night when the co-anchor was asked to trot down the hall, microphone in hand, to reconcile their decision room's call with Rove's long-outdated numbers, knowing all the while that Rove was in a heated discussion with Romney's advisors about postponing the concession speech, I was honestly embarrassed for Fox News.


Yeah....I don't believe that that was all impromptu. Megan Kelly even said, on her way to the decision room, that "when we practiced this before, in our rehearsals, we lost all audio in our ears right about here." So had even they had rehearsed the possibility of taking the cameras 1/2 way across the building to interrogate the math people.

To me it looked like Fox's usual "Fair and Balanced Drama"...Go to the 1:20 mark for the bit about rehearsals.
 
2012-11-07 12:37:37 PM

jigsawspartan: Peter von Nostrand: jigsawspartan: When Rove made the comment they had given him numbers saying there was only a 900 vote difference between the two, with 20% left to be tallied. All he did was say that it was too close to call so soon. When they came back and gave him the up to date numbers he agreed with the. So what's the big deal?

This thread is as lefty biased as Rove is to the right.

BS. He knew they had different numbers than he did (the people making the call). He slipped that in a little later on

Not true. He repeatedly read out the numbers he had. What he said at the end was if I had the numbers at 30,000 like they did I would have been much more comfortable, but 900 is too close to call.


Yes, he later on admitted they had a different data set than he did. He also talked about how his numbers were projections based on '08. The stats guys (I assume they were statisticians) said they were dealing with raw numbers from actual voting totals. He knew he had a different data set and still threw an on-air tantrum. There's nothing partisan about recognizing a grown man being a petulant baby
 
2012-11-07 12:38:04 PM

Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again.


Oh....I don't think so.
 
2012-11-07 12:39:22 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Cythraul: greentea1985: It was so amusing watching this unfold on Fox News last night.

I wish I could have seen that. Hopefully there are some youtube records of it.

Here ya go.


Link

Even better. HAHAHAHA

That was EMBARASSING!
 
2012-11-07 12:39:50 PM
Karl Rove

Should have to shovel shiat at a dairy farm.
 
2012-11-07 12:40:58 PM

EighthDay: netringer: Now the Dems will get to draw a lot of the next maps.

Eh?

Won't the next redistricting not be until after 2020's census?

2014 is a midterm and likely to favor Republicans due to lower voter turnout.


There may be a redistricting sooner than that, if Puerto Rico is granted statehood and the House is kept at 435 Representatives. A few states may lose a seat (and an electoral vote in 2016) so that PR gets its fair share of representation.
 
2012-11-07 12:41:47 PM

Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.

Lies and voter suppression is all they have left. That didn't work out either, but at least is less expensive.


I disagree with this, unfortunately. The old game theory adage is directly applicable to the money spent on Super Pacs and other form of lobbying. The best way to win advantage in a "game" is to control the rules.

Its a smart investment to try to control the rules to favor your interests. I think it upping the investment to overcome this lose is what's to be expected. It has the potential for the highest return of just about any other investment a business can make.
 
2012-11-07 12:43:32 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Rwa2play: Zerochance: Considering Karl Rove wasted $170 million trying to get Romney elected, I was expecting a catatonic meltdown. This seems reasonably tame.

That's why it was an especially rich piece of schadenfreude. Not only did Romney lose but Karl's out $170 Million; might as well had done a Joker and set it on fire.

And Megyn Kelly is damn hot.

While she has a Lamborghini body, she's got a Ford Pinto brain.

So if you hit it from behind she'll explode?


*shrugs* Who knows, she might love anal.
 
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