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2012-11-07 01:25:51 AM
"Facts are stupid things."
 
2012-11-07 04:30:05 AM
http://www.natesilverwrong.com/

Check the whois.
 
2012-11-07 06:27:48 AM
Someone's overusing the term, "civil war"
 
2012-11-07 06:58:09 AM

Bontesla: Someone's overusing the term, "civil war"


I don't know about that, FTFA:

Reality TV star Donald Trump railed on Twitter about a "sham" election, saying "we should have a revolution in this country."

This is what scares me. You will always have crazies, but to hear sentiments like this from prominent businessmen and "news" sources is just scary and disheartening. Not liking the outcome != sham election.
 
2012-11-07 07:54:10 AM
It was so amusing watching this unfold on Fox News last night.
 
2012-11-07 08:45:33 AM

greentea1985: It was so amusing watching this unfold on Fox News last night.


I wish I could have seen that. Hopefully there are some youtube records of it.
 
2012-11-07 09:39:36 AM

Cythraul: greentea1985: It was so amusing watching this unfold on Fox News last night.

I wish I could have seen that. Hopefully there are some youtube records of it.


It really was awesome, after they came back from a break and Megyn Kelly kicked it over to Turd Blossom and whatever numbers monkey from the backroom he was going to harangue the numbers started to come in from Cuyahoga county and he was obviously grasping at straws and realizing he had overplayed a bad hand and likely pissed off his masters at FOX. We may have just seen Karl Rove lose some of his power over how Duke brother he went on this last PM
 
2012-11-07 09:41:45 AM
I never thought I would say this, but last night when the co-anchor was asked to trot down the hall, microphone in hand, to reconcile their decision room's call with Rove's long-outdated numbers, knowing all the while that Rove was in a heated discussion with Romney's advisors about postponing the concession speech, I was honestly embarrassed for Fox News.
 
2012-11-07 09:57:45 AM
Hopefully Karl Rove will be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. Its what the Founding Founders would have done.
 
2012-11-07 10:13:05 AM

Cythraul: greentea1985: It was so amusing watching this unfold on Fox News last night.

I wish I could have seen that. Hopefully there are some youtube records of it.


Yeah, right around 9pm CST, FoxNews pulled their feed from the local Chicago station, so all I had was a couple of harried local anchors talking with their contact at the Obama rally. It was quite disappointing.
 
2012-11-07 10:16:11 AM
More live reports from the reality based community!
 
2012-11-07 10:23:58 AM
fta: there were few fireworks (beyond Fox News star Bill O'Reilly's offensive outburst that "the white establishment is now the minority". . . and "it's not a traditional America anymore.")

Yeah, FOX hosts spouting off racist sentiments is hardly worth even noting at this point.

Rove looked like a man caught between a rock and a hard place last night. Like he knew Shelly Adelson had some old school goons waiting out back for him after the interview.
 
2012-11-07 10:34:54 AM
How would YOU feel knowing that the Koch Brothers were going to have your thumbs broke as soon as the cameras were turned off?
 
2012-11-07 10:40:34 AM

Cythraul: greentea1985: It was so amusing watching this unfold on Fox News last night.

I wish I could have seen that. Hopefully there are some youtube records of it.


Here ya go.
 
2012-11-07 10:59:51 AM
I was watching it, and it was farking surreal. Megyn Kelley goes wandering down the halls at Fox with a steadicam in tow, blithering about "the last time we practiced this (!) we lost audio juuusst about here...", then gets to the math wonks room where they patiently explain how statistics work and how there is statistically zero chance that Obama loses Ohio. Then she wanders back up and Rove is sputtering like a '77 Harley with a tank of bad gas about how it's inappropriate for Fox to be calling Ohio this early ANYWAY. He's got all of his '98 numbers in a row and he's waving them around like they're a shield against truth. I really believe he was thinking "Wait...we're the goddamn media mouthpiece of the GOP -- why the hell would we be reporting this as straight news? Why are all these people not spinning like tops? OBEY YOUR MASTERS!!!", and it just wasn't working, so he was quite seriously losing it right on the air.
 
2012-11-07 11:02:41 AM
I was at a bar last night and they had on CNN and Fox. I could tell he was getting worked up, even though I could not hear him (no sound). CNN had an image of Ohio with the votes with Romney up for a few minutes and then Obama went back up. It wasn't til I got home and heard the reason why Ohio was already called. But I saw Rove gestating angrily and then some strange scene of the anchor chick walking down the hall to a room full of computers and people. I didn't know what was going on, but I had an idea that while they were doing this Rove was talking with Romney.
 
2012-11-07 11:14:31 AM

dahmers love zombie: I was watching it, and it was farking surreal. Megyn Kelley goes wandering down the halls at Fox with a steadicam in tow, blithering about "the last time we practiced this (!) we lost audio juuusst about here...", then gets to the math wonks room where they patiently explain how statistics work and how there is statistically zero chance that Obama loses Ohio. Then she wanders back up and Rove is sputtering like a '77 Harley with a tank of bad gas about how it's inappropriate for Fox to be calling Ohio this early ANYWAY. He's got all of his '98 numbers in a row and he's waving them around like they're a shield against truth. I really believe he was thinking "Wait...we're the goddamn media mouthpiece of the GOP -- why the hell would we be reporting this as straight news? Why are all these people not spinning like tops? OBEY YOUR MASTERS!!!", and it just wasn't working, so he was quite seriously losing it right on the air.


Like I said in another thread, the look on the guys face that was facing the camera was awesome. He had this smug look like he could barely contain himself and he wanted to say "go fark yourself, karl... you fat pud". They calmly shot him down saying they were looking at actual numbers/data and not projection BS that Karl was pulling out of the air. "Based on 2008..." blah blah BS. The second time they brought Karl back out he was doing the same then all of a sudden seemed to realize the argument they made and basically stopped yammering and said something to the effect of they could have better data than he does
 
2012-11-07 11:15:24 AM
This weekend is going to be particularly rough, cigar-burn-wise, for the succulent boy prostitutes of Santo Domingo.
 
2012-11-07 11:17:26 AM
It was pretty surreal to watch; he was having a meltdown and the pundits were urging the people who projected the win to reconsider it. This was somehow better than 2008 where Karl Rove predicted that we'd know who the next president would be once Ohio was called, with the host interrupting to announce that Obama won Ohio leaving Rove with a stunned look on his face. I'd suggest someone shoop Rove's head on the "It's still real to me, dammit!" guy's picture, but I'm afraid no one could tell the difference.
 
2012-11-07 11:28:58 AM

Grungehamster: It was pretty surreal to watch; he was having a meltdown and the pundits were urging the people who projected the win to reconsider it. This was somehow better than 2008 where Karl Rove predicted that we'd know who the next president would be once Ohio was called, with the host interrupting to announce that Obama won Ohio leaving Rove with a stunned look on his face. I'd suggest someone shoop Rove's head on the "It's still real to me, dammit!" guy's picture, but I'm afraid no one could tell the difference.


Watching them (including Rove, of all people) later on last night bemoan the Obama campaign and all the money that was spent, the negativity, how they felt Romney was unfairly characterized as a person and his past, how they felt Obama was too divisive was beyond surreal
 
2012-11-07 11:29:33 AM

dahmers love zombie: Wait...we're the goddamn media mouthpiece of the GOP -- why the hell would we be reporting this as straight news?


I don't have the clip handy, but this was nearly exactly his argument.
 
2012-11-07 11:31:35 AM
"Do you have any idea how deep in hock I am? I'm going to get chopped up for fish bait unless I can deliver a government by January!"
 
2012-11-07 11:31:41 AM

ThatGuyGreg: Cythraul: greentea1985: It was so amusing watching this unfold on Fox News last night.

I wish I could have seen that. Hopefully there are some youtube records of it.

Here ya go.


Is this the clip related to the subby?
 
2012-11-07 11:33:35 AM

dahmers love zombie: I was watching it, and it was farking surreal. Megyn Kelley goes wandering down the halls at Fox with a steadicam in tow, blithering about "the last time we practiced this (!) we lost audio juuusst about here...", then gets to the math wonks room where they patiently explain how statistics work and how there is statistically zero chance that Obama loses Ohio. Then she wanders back up and Rove is sputtering like a '77 Harley with a tank of bad gas about how it's inappropriate for Fox to be calling Ohio this early ANYWAY.


Precisely. While I know they willingly work for Fox News, I was embarrassed for the two statisticians who were put on air (from all appearances) unexpectedly. Simply because the "former" political advisor (and not a professional broadcaster) couldn't handle reality sinking in.
 
2012-11-07 11:33:39 AM

blackminded: dahmers love zombie: Wait...we're the goddamn media mouthpiece of the GOP -- why the hell would we be reporting this as straight news?

I don't have the clip handy, but this was nearly exactly his argument.


In another 12 years or so, the networks will be reporting election results their own way. We'll have to find out who really won from the BBC.
 
2012-11-07 11:35:15 AM
Karl Rove did what Karl Rove does.

On the other hand, that idiot Chris Matthews from MSNBC needs to get fired and not allowed back on TV ever. What a disgrace that man is.
 
2012-11-07 11:36:33 AM

Peter von Nostrand: Grungehamster: It was pretty surreal to watch; he was having a meltdown and the pundits were urging the people who projected the win to reconsider it. This was somehow better than 2008 where Karl Rove predicted that we'd know who the next president would be once Ohio was called, with the host interrupting to announce that Obama won Ohio leaving Rove with a stunned look on his face. I'd suggest someone shoop Rove's head on the "It's still real to me, dammit!" guy's picture, but I'm afraid no one could tell the difference.

Watching them (including Rove, of all people) later on last night bemoan the Obama campaign and all the money that was spent, the negativity, how they felt Romney was unfairly characterized as a person and his past, how they felt Obama was too divisive was beyond surreal


Yes. That part was jaw-dropping. They also pretty much threw Romney under the bus for "letting Obama define who he was".
 
2012-11-07 11:36:38 AM

dahmers love zombie: I was watching it, and it was farking surreal. Megyn Kelley goes wandering down the halls at Fox with a steadicam in tow, blithering about "the last time we practiced this (!) we lost audio juuusst about here...", then gets to the math wonks room where they patiently explain how statistics work and how there is statistically zero chance that Obama loses Ohio. Then she wanders back up and Rove is sputtering like a '77 Harley with a tank of bad gas about how it's inappropriate for Fox to be calling Ohio this early ANYWAY. He's got all of his '98 numbers in a row and he's waving them around like they're a shield against truth. I really believe he was thinking "Wait...we're the goddamn media mouthpiece of the GOP -- why the hell would we be reporting this as straight news? Why are all these people not spinning like tops? OBEY YOUR MASTERS!!!", and it just wasn't working, so he was quite seriously losing it right on the air.



That was one of the funniest things I had ever seen. I never watch FNC, but that few mins made it worth it.
 
2012-11-07 11:36:53 AM
Get ready for weeks of Benghazi Butthurt

Benghazi!
Benghazi!!
Benghazi!!!
 
2012-11-07 11:37:25 AM

greentea1985: It was so amusing watching this unfold on Fox News last night.


it was. bret and megan didn't know just what to make of karl but they gamely went along with it. the number folks were less than amused.

i was chuckling.
 
2012-11-07 11:37:49 AM
Megyn Kelly to Karl Rove: "Is this just math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?"
 
2012-11-07 11:38:24 AM
Watched CNN and MSNBC until it was called for Obama. Switched over to Fox and watched the implosion.

BEST TELEVISON EVAR.
 
2012-11-07 11:38:33 AM
Delicious
 
2012-11-07 11:39:37 AM
Rove is in denial only because his super pacs lost big. Rove, it's all about the money and next time around his funding may be way off.
 
2012-11-07 11:40:15 AM
And it was beautiful
 
2012-11-07 11:41:05 AM
I just like the video on the link of that douchenozzle claiming whites males are the minority.

Yes, when you consider ALL non-white/non-male people to be one group, then white males are the farking minority. I would be insulted as fark by that if I were a woman, especially a white woman.

Hey 45% of women who went for Romney: you just got told you aren't the equals and partners of white males, but rather are no better than a black or an hispanic. You don't sit at their table, you sit with the rest of the country.

Now, I'm not lumping all republicans together, and obviously 45% of female voters didn't vote that way because they want to follow their husband's commands like he in turn follows god's. I don't think all the white male conservatives agree with bullshiat like that either. But I do think that your party will accept anything short of Todd Akin's comments when it comes to misogynistic bullshiat, and it might behoove the rest of you, male or female, white or black, to try to shut these farkers up and remove their influence on your party.

And Bill is one of the more sane pundits advocating for Republicans.
 
2012-11-07 11:42:35 AM

MarshHawk: dahmers love zombie: I was watching it, and it was farking surreal. Megyn Kelley goes wandering down the halls at Fox with a steadicam in tow, blithering about "the last time we practiced this (!) we lost audio juuusst about here...", then gets to the math wonks room where they patiently explain how statistics work and how there is statistically zero chance that Obama loses Ohio. Then she wanders back up and Rove is sputtering like a '77 Harley with a tank of bad gas about how it's inappropriate for Fox to be calling Ohio this early ANYWAY.

Precisely. While I know they willingly work for Fox News, I was embarrassed for the two statisticians who were put on air (from all appearances) unexpectedly. Simply because the "former" political advisor (and not a professional broadcaster) couldn't handle reality sinking in.


Rove was just acting as surragte for the average Fox viewer who had been led to believe Romney was not just going to win, but win handily.
 
2012-11-07 11:42:45 AM

ddam: Karl Rove did what Karl Rove does.

On the other hand, that idiot Chris Matthews from MSNBC needs to get fired and not allowed back on TV ever. What a disgrace that man is.


He mad
 
2012-11-07 11:42:57 AM
Haha! You learned that you can only buy an election if you're not obviously pure evil! Enjoy having your kneecaps broken behind a fish-packing warehouse by the scumbags to whom you sold your soul.
 
2012-11-07 11:43:58 AM
The best part was when she came back from the numbers guys and there's Karl... Scribbling away on a sheet of paper trying to find some way, a glimmer of hope if you will, that just maybe Romney could pull something out.

(This doesn't have anything to do with anything, but the lady on Glenn Beck said Obama's victory is God's revenge for turning our backs on Him.)
 
2012-11-07 11:44:22 AM

Nofun: Bontesla: Someone's overusing the term, "civil war"

I don't know about that, FTFA:

Reality TV star Donald Trump railed on Twitter about a "sham" election, saying "we should have a revolution in this country."

This is what scares me. You will always have crazies, but to hear sentiments like this from prominent businessmen and "news" sources is just scary and disheartening. Not liking the outcome != sham election.


Who is this "prominent businessman" of whom you speak?
 
2012-11-07 11:44:33 AM

John the Magnificent: Watched CNN and MSNBC until it was called for Obama. Switched over to Fox and watched the implosion.

BEST TELEVISON EVAR.


as did we - was wondering about Megyn's midnight stroll.
 
2012-11-07 11:44:38 AM
When Rove made the comment they had given him numbers saying there was only a 900 vote difference between the two, with 20% left to be tallied. All he did was say that it was too close to call so soon. When they came back and gave him the up to date numbers he agreed with the. So what's the big deal?

This thread is as lefty biased as Rove is to the right.
 
2012-11-07 11:44:39 AM
Oh man, I missed cranky old fascist O'Reilly's butt hurt comments, too.

On the other hand, that idiot Chris Matthews from MSNBC

The fark does Chris Matthews have to do with anything?
 
2012-11-07 11:45:48 AM

impaler: http://www.natesilverwrong.com/



Lolz...

img233.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-07 11:46:53 AM
It's almost like they live in a bubble.

American Thinker

Obama is going to lose in a landslide. And Barack Obama, the media, and the polling organizations will be appropriately shocked.

American Thinker: The Thinkening

Does anyone believe that when Barack Obama loses on November 6, he will go quietly?

This election is shaping up to be a landslide loss for the president, and by the ever-present look of desperation on his face, he knows it. The nation should be preparing for how he might react when it happens -- there is nothing more dangerous than a cornered god.

In 2008, Americans wholeheartedly bought the Obama dream. It's never easy to let go of a dream, but today, people have let go of Obama the dream -- and on November 6, they will let go of Obama the man.


Town Hall: Why Mitt Romney Will Win

Dick Morris: Here comes the landslide  (bonus - he gets the Electoral Votes of several states wrong)
 
2012-11-07 11:48:12 AM
I didn't see the shenanigans last night on Fox but to hear the descriptions of what happened, I'm thinking of the end of Trading Places with Randolph and Mortimer yelling for them to turn the machines back on.
 
2012-11-07 11:48:16 AM
rlv.zcache.com
 
2012-11-07 11:48:17 AM

impaler: http://www.natesilverwrong.com/

Check the whois.


Oh, that's too perfect!

Registrant:
GOP
1460 N.W. 107 Ave Suite P
Miami, Florida 33172
United States
 
2012-11-07 11:48:37 AM

Jake Havechek: Oh man, I missed cranky old fascist O'Reilly's butt hurt comments, too.

On the other hand, that idiot Chris Matthews from MSNBC

The fark does Chris Matthews have to do with anything?


I don't know either. Other than the fact at one point it looked like his pen had burst while chewing on it. Anyone else notice dark patches in the corners of his mouth at one point?
 
2012-11-07 11:48:43 AM

jigsawspartan: When Rove made the comment they had given him numbers saying there was only a 900 vote difference between the two, with 20% left to be tallied. All he did was say that it was too close to call so soon. When they came back and gave him the up to date numbers he agreed with the. So what's the big deal?

This thread is as lefty biased as Rove is to the right.


What I heard was that the majority of votes yet to be tallied were from very heavy Democratic counties. So much so that the GOP in Ohio called it for Obama and then went home for the night.

This is how/why so many states 'call it' for a candidate even with only 1% of the vote in.
 
2012-11-07 11:48:52 AM
What I was a able to see was a bunch of local anchors being all polite -and genuinely happy- about Obama winning. Didn't really see the angry Fox I always see on the YouTube clips. Then again, I was watching the internet feed.
 
2012-11-07 11:49:46 AM

Walt_Jizzney: ThatGuyGreg: Cythraul: greentea1985: It was so amusing watching this unfold on Fox News last night.

I wish I could have seen that. Hopefully there are some youtube records of it.

Here ya go.

Is this the clip related to the subby?


It was subby.... adjacent? Um, no, that was the other fail. Which is now my fail. There's enough to go around.

This is the hallway weirdness.
 
2012-11-07 11:51:40 AM

jigsawspartan: When Rove made the comment they had given him numbers saying there was only a 900 vote difference between the two, with 20% left to be tallied. All he did was say that it was too close to call so soon. When they came back and gave him the up to date numbers he agreed with the. So what's the big deal?

This thread is as lefty biased as Rove is to the right.


BS. He knew they had different numbers than he did (the people making the call). He slipped that in a little later on
 
2012-11-07 11:51:51 AM

Jake Havechek: Oh man, I missed cranky old fascist O'Reilly's butt hurt comments, too.

On the other hand, that idiot Chris Matthews from MSNBC

The fark does Chris Matthews have to do with anything?


It must be noted that both sides are equally bad.
 
2012-11-07 11:52:00 AM
The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.

Lies and voter suppression is all they have left. That didn't work out either, but at least is less expensive.
 
2012-11-07 11:52:29 AM
Last night, watching Rove on Fox was like the episode of "The Office" when Michael Scott's paper company went broke.

Michael Scott: "I would like you to crunch those numbers again."
Accountant: "It's a program, there's no such thing as..."
Michael Scott: "Just crunch em, just crunch em please."
Accountant: *refreshes spreadsheet* "Crunch."
 
2012-11-07 11:52:35 AM

MarshHawk: I never thought I would say this, but last night when the co-anchor was asked to trot down the hall, microphone in hand, to reconcile their decision room's call with Rove's long-outdated numbers, knowing all the while that Rove was in a heated discussion with Romney's advisors about postponing the concession speech, I was honestly embarrassed for Fox News.


That was always the thing about Fox News for me. I've never been able to stand it because it's simply so embarrassing. I'm one of those people who feels for anyone empathetically and it just makes me cringe inside with pure pity when the woman on the street trips and falls down with her skirt over her head, of the drunk jackass who hits on someone and vomits on them, or those pundits spewing utter nonsense. If I had cable I'd certainly have had switched to Fox a couple of times only to quickly change it back out of nothing but ... embarrassment for them.
 
2012-11-07 11:53:34 AM
That was the thing about the whole fiasco.

In that environment everyone kind of moves together. Even when they don't agree there's a to and fro that you see on the cameras and everyone is with it and working as a team and keeping up.

Karl kind of acted like he was a guy that was on the verge of a stroke, missing verbal cues, shuffling papers, and responding almost defiantly that it was too early to tell. It was less like what you would think and more tragic like a newsflash came in regarding a house on fire and it turned out to be the home of one of the talking heads.

FOX didn't really help themselves all that much. Bringing out the numbers nerds wasn't going to convince them so they had to make a decision to either disregard Karl and hope he just kind of wanders off or they stay with him and either get him back on board quickly and play ball or he soon becomes the story.

All things said, he shouldn't have been on that stage to begin with.
 
2012-11-07 11:53:59 AM

Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.

Lies and voter suppression is all they have left. That didn't work out either, but at least is less expensive.


They'll focus the money at House races instead of national ones. A 10 million dollars can buy a few Representatives and doesn't even more the national polls.
 
2012-11-07 11:54:04 AM
Considering Karl Rove wasted $170 million trying to get Romney elected, I was expecting a catatonic meltdown. This seems reasonably tame.

And Megyn Kelly is damn hot.
 
2012-11-07 11:55:39 AM

Kumana Wanalaia: ddam: Karl Rove did what Karl Rove does.

On the other hand, that idiot Chris Matthews from MSNBC needs to get fired and not allowed back on TV ever. What a disgrace that man is.

He mad


Why would I be mad? I'm a liberal a 1000 miles to the left of Obama and there's no way I would have voted for Romney. I just don't understand how a paid pundit like Chris Matthews can say that he's glad we had the storm we had last week. There are many different ways to say that Obama looked presidential following a natural disaster but being glad for a storm that killed around 100 people and has devastated a whole area is almost the worst thing you can say.
 
2012-11-07 11:56:28 AM

Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.


I hope so. On the flip side, will us liberals stop with the "corporations are buying elections! Citizens United!"?
 
2012-11-07 11:56:54 AM

Nadie_AZ: jigsawspartan: When Rove made the comment they had given him numbers saying there was only a 900 vote difference between the two, with 20% left to be tallied. All he did was say that it was too close to call so soon. When they came back and gave him the up to date numbers he agreed with the. So what's the big deal?

This thread is as lefty biased as Rove is to the right.

What I heard was that the majority of votes yet to be tallied were from very heavy Democratic counties. So much so that the GOP in Ohio called it for Obama and then went home for the night.

This is how/why so many states 'call it' for a candidate even with only 1% of the vote in.


Correct, what I'm pointing out is that he didn't have those numbers as he said throughout, he explained it from his numbers that there was a 900 vote difference, and in his Butler ( If memory serves) which is mostly red, hadn't been counted when they actually had. So his numbers weren't as up to date. He repeatedly said "hey I'm not saying Obama hasn't won, I'm just saying from the numbers I have been given, it's still too close to call it"

Things like this "civil war" just irk me when it's so exaggerated.
 
2012-11-07 11:57:52 AM

CapeFearCadaver: If I had cable I'd certainly have had switched to Fox a couple of times only to quickly change it back out of nothing but ... embarrassment for them.


Congrats, you're one of today's lucky 10,000. I have a great new word for you. It's German. Fremdscham: Almost the opposite of Schadenfreude, Fremdscham is the feeling of being embarrassed for someone else (presumably someone who's not embarrassed for themselves, but should be.)
 
2012-11-07 11:57:59 AM

Cythraul: greentea1985: It was so amusing watching this unfold on Fox News last night.

I wish I could have seen that. Hopefully there are some youtube records of it.


Daily Beast has it all for you on their site.
 
2012-11-07 12:00:35 PM

Smackledorfer: Yes, when you consider ALL non-white/non-male people to be one group, then white males are the farking minority. I would be insulted as fark by that if I were a woman, especially a white woman.


White woman here; was done with being insulted quite a while ago. All I can garner now is a small roll of the eyes and shake of the head.

/it helps getting to this point when your father is constantly lambasting you as well because your not, well, a son.
 
2012-11-07 12:00:42 PM

Zerochance: Considering Karl Rove wasted $170 million trying to get Romney elected, I was expecting a catatonic meltdown. This seems reasonably tame.


That's why it was an especially rich piece of schadenfreude. Not only did Romney lose but Karl's out $170 Million; might as well had done a Joker and set it on fire.

And Megyn Kelly is damn hot.

While she has a Lamborghini body, she's got a Ford Pinto brain.
 
2012-11-07 12:02:48 PM

tarheel07: Jake Havechek: Oh man, I missed cranky old fascist O'Reilly's butt hurt comments, too.

On the other hand, that idiot Chris Matthews from MSNBC

The fark does Chris Matthews have to do with anything?

I don't know either. Other than the fact at one point it looked like his pen had burst while chewing on it. Anyone else notice dark patches in the corners of his mouth at one point?


That was bile... From one of the stagehands that crossed him.
 
2012-11-07 12:05:11 PM

Rwa2play: Zerochance: Considering Karl Rove wasted $170 million trying to get Romney elected, I was expecting a catatonic meltdown. This seems reasonably tame.

That's why it was an especially rich piece of schadenfreude. Not only did Romney lose but Karl's out $170 Million; might as well had done a Joker and set it on fire.

And Megyn Kelly is damn hot.

While she has a Lamborghini body, she's got a Ford Pinto brain.


I just went to Michelle Malkin's website for my share of schadenfreude. The article she wrote was bland and sad. The comments? Tingling with butthurt and resentment.
 
2012-11-07 12:05:13 PM

jigsawspartan: Things like this "civil war" just irk me when it's so exaggerated.


I agree.
 
2012-11-07 12:06:21 PM

WinoRhino: Fremdscham


Cool. Thanks for the new word!

/ashamed, I took German in College...
 
2012-11-07 12:06:40 PM

Carth: Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.

Lies and voter suppression is all they have left. That didn't work out either, but at least is less expensive.

They'll focus the money at House races instead of national ones. A 10 million dollars can buy a few Representatives and doesn't even more the national polls.


The key is redistricting. That's what put GOP House reps in safe districts. The new district maps in Illinois, darwn by the Democratic Illinois Hosue speaker, got new Dems in the House.

Now the Dems will get to draw a lot of the next maps.

The 2014 House Election will a be a GOP bloodbath.
 
2012-11-07 12:06:43 PM

Carth: Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.

Lies and voter suppression is all they have left. That didn't work out either, but at least is less expensive.

They'll focus the money at House races instead of national ones. A 10 million dollars can buy a few Representatives and doesn't even more the national polls.


Damn it, your right.
 
2012-11-07 12:07:19 PM

Bontesla: Someone's overusing the term, "civil war"


Indeed. Civility is sorely lacking on that channel.
 
2012-11-07 12:10:04 PM

Rwa2play: Zerochance: Considering Karl Rove wasted $170 million trying to get Romney elected, I was expecting a catatonic meltdown. This seems reasonably tame.

That's why it was an especially rich piece of schadenfreude. Not only did Romney lose but Karl's out $170 Million; might as well had done a Joker and set it on fire.

And Megyn Kelly is damn hot.

While she has a Lamborghini body, she's got a Ford Pinto brain.


So if you hit it from behind she'll explode?
 
2012-11-07 12:10:45 PM

netringer: Now the Dems will get to draw a lot of the next maps.


Eh?

Won't the next redistricting not be until after 2020's census?

2014 is a midterm and likely to favor Republicans due to lower voter turnout.
 
Bf+
2012-11-07 12:11:15 PM
newnownext.mtvnimages.com
t2.gstatic.com
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-07 12:11:18 PM

tarheel07: Jake Havechek: Oh man, I missed cranky old fascist O'Reilly's butt hurt comments, too.

On the other hand, that idiot Chris Matthews from MSNBC

The fark does Chris Matthews have to do with anything?

I don't know either. Other than the fact at one point it looked like his pen had burst while chewing on it. Anyone else notice dark patches in the corners of his mouth at one point?


He was just having a few problems with his human disguise and some of his reptilian skin started showing through.
 
2012-11-07 12:11:18 PM

CygnusDarius: Rwa2play: Zerochance: Considering Karl Rove wasted $170 million trying to get Romney elected, I was expecting a catatonic meltdown. This seems reasonably tame.

That's why it was an especially rich piece of schadenfreude. Not only did Romney lose but Karl's out $170 Million; might as well had done a Joker and set it on fire.

And Megyn Kelly is damn hot.

While she has a Lamborghini body, she's got a Ford Pinto brain.

I just went to Michelle Malkin's website for my share of schadenfreude. The article she wrote was bland and sad. The comments? Tingling with butthurt and resentment.


You need to get over to DickMorrisdotcom, the comments there will put a smile on your face for a month!
 
2012-11-07 12:11:57 PM
Dammit, I missed it. I wonder if they'd consider doing a re-run of their whole nightly broadcast. It would probably get huge ratings.
 
2012-11-07 12:18:17 PM

EighthDay: netringer: Now the Dems will get to draw a lot of the next maps.

Eh?

Won't the next redistricting not be until after 2020's census?

2014 is a midterm and likely to favor Republicans due to lower voter turnout.


Oh. We have to just hoep for further smartening of America.

The economy is going to naturally get better, but the derpers will have plenty of new derp by then.
 
2012-11-07 12:20:20 PM
'Karl Rove meltdown' on google:

About 687,000 results (0.16 seconds)
 
2012-11-07 12:20:53 PM

netringer: Carth: Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.

Lies and voter suppression is all they have left. That didn't work out either, but at least is less expensive.

They'll focus the money at House races instead of national ones. A 10 million dollars can buy a few Representatives and doesn't even more the national polls.

The key is redistricting. That's what put GOP House reps in safe districts. The new district maps in Illinois, darwn by the Democratic Illinois Hosue speaker, got new Dems in the House.

Now the Dems will get to draw a lot of the next maps.

The 2014 House Election will a be a GOP bloodbath.


I think that's optimistic. Democrats suck at mid-year elections, while Republicans are typically galvanized. Every recent significant GOP gain in the house has come in off year elections.
 
2012-11-07 12:22:49 PM

Rent Party: netringer: Carth: Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.

Lies and voter suppression is all they have left. That didn't work out either, but at least is less expensive.

They'll focus the money at House races instead of national ones. A 10 million dollars can buy a few Representatives and doesn't even more the national polls.

The key is redistricting. That's what put GOP House reps in safe districts. The new district maps in Illinois, darwn by the Democratic Illinois Hosue speaker, got new Dems in the House.

Now the Dems will get to draw a lot of the next maps.

The 2014 House Election will a be a GOP bloodbath.

I think that's optimistic. Democrats suck at mid-year elections, while Republicans are typically galvanized. Every recent significant GOP gain in the house has come in off year elections.


I think the GOP will go overboard fighting Obama on everything and will overplay their hand. They'll get whitewashed in '14 and probably screw up '16 in the process
 
2012-11-07 12:23:20 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Walt_Jizzney: ThatGuyGreg: Cythraul: greentea1985: It was so amusing watching this unfold on Fox News last night.

I wish I could have seen that. Hopefully there are some youtube records of it.

Here ya go.

Is this the clip related to the subby?

It was subby.... adjacent? Um, no, that was the other fail. Which is now my fail. There's enough to go around.

This is the hallway weirdness.


Why did they rehearse walking down to the numbers room?
 
2012-11-07 12:24:17 PM

steverockson: CygnusDarius: Rwa2play: Zerochance: Considering Karl Rove wasted $170 million trying to get Romney elected, I was expecting a catatonic meltdown. This seems reasonably tame.

That's why it was an especially rich piece of schadenfreude. Not only did Romney lose but Karl's out $170 Million; might as well had done a Joker and set it on fire.

And Megyn Kelly is damn hot.

While she has a Lamborghini body, she's got a Ford Pinto brain.

I just went to Michelle Malkin's website for my share of schadenfreude. The article she wrote was bland and sad. The comments? Tingling with butthurt and resentment.

You need to get over to DickMorrisdotcom, the comments there will put a smile on your face for a month!


Holy crap, you're right:

Obama has ruined the democratic party by not recognizing the value of the "loyal opposition." The founding fathers very wisely saw the need for checks and balances and debate on every issue regardless of the party. When the party in power has all the power corruption is absolute as we see with Obama. He is operating by executive fiat and our country was never designed to run that way... which is in fact dictatorial. Why prominent democrats do not understand this or take it to heart causes me to fear we are losing our country faster than we can imagine.

---

Take heart Mr Turner, the Founders, in their prescient wisdom, gave us the 2d Amendment. And if I may disagree, Obama isn't the start of the traitorous turn of the so called "democrat" party. If you are one of the old school democrats of yore, recall President Reagan's quote: "I didn't leave the democrat party...it left me.
 
2012-11-07 12:29:02 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Rwa2play: Zerochance: Considering Karl Rove wasted $170 million trying to get Romney elected, I was expecting a catatonic meltdown. This seems reasonably tame.

That's why it was an especially rich piece of schadenfreude. Not only did Romney lose but Karl's out $170 Million; might as well had done a Joker and set it on fire.

And Megyn Kelly is damn hot.

While she has a Lamborghini body, she's got a Ford Pinto brain.

So if you hit it from behind she'll explode?


*snert*
 
2012-11-07 12:31:20 PM

Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.


I rather expect that they will decide that they didn't spend *enough* money to overcome "teh lieberal MSM media"

netringer: The 2014 House Election will a be a GOP bloodbath.


From your lips to God's ears. Inshallah!
.
 
2012-11-07 12:32:17 PM
He was later removed from the studio in handcuffs.
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2012-11-07 12:32:27 PM

Peter von Nostrand: jigsawspartan: When Rove made the comment they had given him numbers saying there was only a 900 vote difference between the two, with 20% left to be tallied. All he did was say that it was too close to call so soon. When they came back and gave him the up to date numbers he agreed with the. So what's the big deal?

This thread is as lefty biased as Rove is to the right.

BS. He knew they had different numbers than he did (the people making the call). He slipped that in a little later on


Not true. He repeatedly read out the numbers he had. What he said at the end was if I had the numbers at 30,000 like they did I would have been much more comfortable, but 900 is too close to call.
 
2012-11-07 12:33:36 PM

WinoRhino: CapeFearCadaver: If I had cable I'd certainly have had switched to Fox a couple of times only to quickly change it back out of nothing but ... embarrassment for them.

Congrats, you're one of today's lucky 10,000. I have a great new word for you. It's German. Fremdscham: Almost the opposite of Schadenfreude, Fremdscham is the feeling of being embarrassed for someone else (presumably someone who's not embarrassed for themselves, but should be.)


That word succinctly explains why I cannot watch modern american sitcoms.

/And why The Office causes me *physical pain*.
//I do not like embarrassment humor.
 
2012-11-07 12:35:13 PM

MarshHawk: I never thought I would say this, but last night when the co-anchor was asked to trot down the hall, microphone in hand, to reconcile their decision room's call with Rove's long-outdated numbers, knowing all the while that Rove was in a heated discussion with Romney's advisors about postponing the concession speech, I was honestly embarrassed for Fox News.


Yeah....I don't believe that that was all impromptu. Megan Kelly even said, on her way to the decision room, that "when we practiced this before, in our rehearsals, we lost all audio in our ears right about here." So had even they had rehearsed the possibility of taking the cameras 1/2 way across the building to interrogate the math people.

To me it looked like Fox's usual "Fair and Balanced Drama"...Go to the 1:20 mark for the bit about rehearsals.
 
2012-11-07 12:37:37 PM

jigsawspartan: Peter von Nostrand: jigsawspartan: When Rove made the comment they had given him numbers saying there was only a 900 vote difference between the two, with 20% left to be tallied. All he did was say that it was too close to call so soon. When they came back and gave him the up to date numbers he agreed with the. So what's the big deal?

This thread is as lefty biased as Rove is to the right.

BS. He knew they had different numbers than he did (the people making the call). He slipped that in a little later on

Not true. He repeatedly read out the numbers he had. What he said at the end was if I had the numbers at 30,000 like they did I would have been much more comfortable, but 900 is too close to call.


Yes, he later on admitted they had a different data set than he did. He also talked about how his numbers were projections based on '08. The stats guys (I assume they were statisticians) said they were dealing with raw numbers from actual voting totals. He knew he had a different data set and still threw an on-air tantrum. There's nothing partisan about recognizing a grown man being a petulant baby
 
2012-11-07 12:38:04 PM

Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again.


Oh....I don't think so.
 
2012-11-07 12:39:22 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Cythraul: greentea1985: It was so amusing watching this unfold on Fox News last night.

I wish I could have seen that. Hopefully there are some youtube records of it.

Here ya go.


Link

Even better. HAHAHAHA

That was EMBARASSING!
 
2012-11-07 12:39:50 PM
Karl Rove

Should have to shovel shiat at a dairy farm.
 
2012-11-07 12:40:58 PM

EighthDay: netringer: Now the Dems will get to draw a lot of the next maps.

Eh?

Won't the next redistricting not be until after 2020's census?

2014 is a midterm and likely to favor Republicans due to lower voter turnout.


There may be a redistricting sooner than that, if Puerto Rico is granted statehood and the House is kept at 435 Representatives. A few states may lose a seat (and an electoral vote in 2016) so that PR gets its fair share of representation.
 
2012-11-07 12:41:47 PM

Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.

Lies and voter suppression is all they have left. That didn't work out either, but at least is less expensive.


I disagree with this, unfortunately. The old game theory adage is directly applicable to the money spent on Super Pacs and other form of lobbying. The best way to win advantage in a "game" is to control the rules.

Its a smart investment to try to control the rules to favor your interests. I think it upping the investment to overcome this lose is what's to be expected. It has the potential for the highest return of just about any other investment a business can make.
 
2012-11-07 12:43:32 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Rwa2play: Zerochance: Considering Karl Rove wasted $170 million trying to get Romney elected, I was expecting a catatonic meltdown. This seems reasonably tame.

That's why it was an especially rich piece of schadenfreude. Not only did Romney lose but Karl's out $170 Million; might as well had done a Joker and set it on fire.

And Megyn Kelly is damn hot.

While she has a Lamborghini body, she's got a Ford Pinto brain.

So if you hit it from behind she'll explode?


*shrugs* Who knows, she might love anal.
 
2012-11-07 12:44:46 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Smackledorfer: Yes, when you consider ALL non-white/non-male people to be one group, then white males are the farking minority. I would be insulted as fark by that if I were a woman, especially a white woman.

White woman here; was done with being insulted quite a while ago. All I can garner now is a small roll of the eyes and shake of the head.

/it helps getting to this point when your father is constantly lambasting you as well because your not, well, a son.


I don't get why anyone sticks around. Here is a pundit saying flat out that the preferences of women, white or otherwise, are in direct confrontation to his interests as a white male and his want to be the majority and the leader of the country.
 
2012-11-07 12:46:06 PM

WinoRhino: CapeFearCadaver: If I had cable I'd certainly have had switched to Fox a couple of times only to quickly change it back out of nothing but ... embarrassment for them.

Congrats, you're one of today's lucky 10,000. I have a great new word for you. It's German. Fremdscham: Almost the opposite of Schadenfreude, Fremdscham is the feeling of being embarrassed for someone else (presumably someone who's not embarrassed for themselves, but should be.)


The Germans have a word for everything. I bet they even have a word that means "hey, we have a word for everything!"

Oh, and CapeFearCadaver: I'm the same way. I don't watch TV and don't live in the US but if I did and did, I wouldn't be able to watch more than a few minutes of Fox News. Just to embarrassing!
 
2012-11-07 12:47:01 PM

Peter von Nostrand: jigsawspartan: Peter von Nostrand: jigsawspartan: When Rove made the comment they had given him numbers saying there was only a 900 vote difference between the two, with 20% left to be tallied. All he did was say that it was too close to call so soon. When they came back and gave him the up to date numbers he agreed with the. So what's the big deal?

This thread is as lefty biased as Rove is to the right.

BS. He knew they had different numbers than he did (the people making the call). He slipped that in a little later on

Not true. He repeatedly read out the numbers he had. What he said at the end was if I had the numbers at 30,000 like they did I would have been much more comfortable, but 900 is too close to call.

Yes, he later on admitted they had a different data set than he did. He also talked about how his numbers were projections based on '08. The stats guys (I assume they were statisticians) said they were dealing with raw numbers from actual voting totals. He knew he had a different data set and still threw an on-air tantrum. There's nothing partisan about recognizing a grown man being a petulant baby


I should also add that Chuck Todd later on (I know he's on MSNBC but it's safe too assume they get the same info that Fox does) explained the call by saying that Ohio had 750,000 votes left in left districts and only 140,000 left in right districts. Couple that with all the polling consistently showing Obama leading Ohio, it's not hard to see why they made the call

It was also unbelievably rich that a former Bush '00 guy was throwing a hissy fit about wanting all the votes counted
 
2012-11-07 12:51:01 PM
Oh PLEASE,PLEASE, Jon Stewart, do something with this. It's pure gold.
 
2012-11-07 12:58:26 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Grungehamster: It was pretty surreal to watch; he was having a meltdown and the pundits were urging the people who projected the win to reconsider it. This was somehow better than 2008 where Karl Rove predicted that we'd know who the next president would be once Ohio was called, with the host interrupting to announce that Obama won Ohio leaving Rove with a stunned look on his face. I'd suggest someone shoop Rove's head on the "It's still real to me, dammit!" guy's picture, but I'm afraid no one could tell the difference.

Watching them (including Rove, of all people) later on last night bemoan the Obama campaign and all the money that was spent, the negativity, how they felt Romney was unfairly characterized as a person and his past, how they felt Obama was too divisive was beyond surreal


From about 10 am to 10 pm yesterday, all the news networks were mostly interchangeable in terms of coverage. Too much data were pouring in to analyze AND spin, so they were just analyzing and reporting. It was nice. Then 11:18PM came and we're right back to business as usual.

But for 12 glorious hours, we were treated to some journalism. Not a lot, but a little bit. Enough that I noticed anyway.
 
2012-11-07 12:58:43 PM

ThatGuyGreg: This is the hallway weirdness.


So she says, "When we practiced this before..."

WTF were they practicing that for? That's just about the strangest thing I've seen between last night and today....
 
2012-11-07 01:06:16 PM

Shrugging Atlas: ThatGuyGreg: This is the hallway weirdness.

So she says, "When we practiced this before..."

WTF were they practicing that for? That's just about the strangest thing I've seen between last night and today....


Going down a hallway with a steadycam? Why in gods name wouldn't you practice that?
 
2012-11-07 01:13:58 PM

Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again. It was a one time deal and it didn't pay off.

Lies and voter suppression is all they have left. That didn't work out either, but at least is less expensive.


Eh, while this election did prove that billionaires can't buy an election when a charismatic opponent is being challenged by a weaksauce, unlikable man even in a poor economy, this probably isn't the end of the torrent of nearly anonymous funds trying to influence the vote. If they (the Kochs of the world) think they have a better candidate in '16, I see no reason for them not to try again.

However, if the economy and unemployment are finally satisfactory to a majority of Americans, the GOP won't have anything to sell unless the Democratic nominee is just that awful. What would they offer? That Democrats are p*ssies when it comes to terror/military? Obama has pretty much neutralized that old plank. Dems can no longer be painted as weak in that regard (and we never were). At any rate, they will try again, if not with as much gusto.

Another possibility is that since this election wasn't an actual landslide, they might double-down. Now these billionaires are nowhere near as dumb as the average Fark troll that doubles-down when confronted with reality, but they might be dumb enough to think that if they had only try harder, Generic Repubilcan Candidate can take those swing states.
 
2012-11-07 01:15:09 PM
Koch Brothers are in Carl's office as we speak ripping out his second arsehat, or is it his third because the Weaver Terrace Boys got there first at around 12:30 A.M. last night.


Shelly Abelson is to be indicted at 4:30 A.M. Tel Aviv time tomorrow. (he's there to avoid extradition to the U.S. or , worse, China.)
 
2012-11-07 01:23:38 PM

Shrugging Atlas: ThatGuyGreg: This is the hallway weirdness.

So she says, "When we practiced this before..."

WTF were they practicing that for? That's just about the strangest thing I've seen between last night and today....


Meh, I'm sure they had a contingency plan for broadcasting from the number-crunching room. It's just that, coupled with Rove's illogical request, it seemed more than peculiar.
 
2012-11-07 01:23:48 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Walt_Jizzney: ThatGuyGreg: Cythraul: greentea1985: It was so amusing watching this unfold on Fox News last night.

I wish I could have seen that. Hopefully there are some youtube records of it.

Here ya go.

Is this the clip related to the subby?

It was subby.... adjacent? Um, no, that was the other fail. Which is now my fail. There's enough to go around.

This is the hallway weirdness.


That's even more bizarre when I expected. Wow.
 
2012-11-07 01:25:41 PM
anybody heard from Mrs. Clarence Thomas today? Or got pictures?
 
2012-11-07 01:30:17 PM

Peter von Nostrand:
I think that's optimistic. Democrats suck at mid-year elections, while Republicans are typically galvanized. Every recent significant GOP gain in the house has come in off year elections.

I think the GOP will go overboard fighting Obama on everything and will overplay their hand. They'll get whitewashed in '14 and probably screw up '16 in the process


I certainly hope you are right. Recent history doesn't bode well, though.
 
2012-11-07 01:31:30 PM

BinderWoman: Megyn Kelly to Karl Rove: "Is this just math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?"


I was watching when she said that, but seeing it again makes me realize how amazing and spot on that quote is.

/Megyn Kelly is farking gorgeous
 
2012-11-07 01:35:23 PM

quatchi: fta: there were few fireworks (beyond Fox News star Bill O'Reilly's offensive outburst that "the white establishment is now the minority". . . and "it's not a traditional America anymore.")

Yeah, FOX hosts spouting off racist sentiments is hardly worth even noting at this point.

Rove looked like a man caught between a rock and a hard place last night. Like he knew Shelly Adelson had some old school goons waiting out back for him after the interview.


Kinda curious on this.

I know some powerful/rich people like to surround themselves with yes men, but at this point there has to be a lot of million and billionaires who are realizing that the GOP has been lying to them about this election being a sure thing. What sort of fallout is their going to be? Will there just be a few sacrificial lambs going down, will a few of the pocketbooks start considering if the GOP is worth their money?

ddam: Karl Rove did what Karl Rove does.


Disagree. Karl Rove is a sack of crap but everyone, on both sides, agrees that when it comes to politics he's SCARILY competent. Last night wasn't competent. He lost it and looked like a hack.
 
2012-11-07 01:49:45 PM
One thing I don't quite get is...

Why was Karl Rove so adamant about the fact of Fox calling the Ohio race based on prediction? 'Calling' it doesn't assign votes, it's just a projection. Did he think that if Fox 'calls' more states for Romney that means he wins?

I mean, the whole underlying principle of news media is to report things; now, falsifying reports is "fine", but it doesn't change the underlying reality.

/I said underlying twice
 
2012-11-07 01:55:12 PM

Githerax: One thing I don't quite get is...

Why was Karl Rove so adamant about the fact of Fox calling the Ohio race based on prediction? 'Calling' it doesn't assign votes, it's just a projection. Did he think that if Fox 'calls' more states for Romney that means he wins?

I mean, the whole underlying principle of news media is to report things; now, falsifying reports is "fine", but it doesn't change the underlying reality.

/I said underlying twice


Because he thinks his understanding of third grade math is the same thing as the expertiese of those who's field of study is statistics.
 
2012-11-07 01:58:33 PM

tarheel07: Shrugging Atlas: ThatGuyGreg: This is the hallway weirdness.

So she says, "When we practiced this before..."

WTF were they practicing that for? That's just about the strangest thing I've seen between last night and today....

Meh, I'm sure they had a contingency plan for broadcasting from the number-crunching room. It's just that, coupled with Rove's illogical request, it seemed more than peculiar.


Yeah, that makes sense. I was too hung up on the Rove thing.

My next question would be....if you felt the possibility to have go to those people was such you actually practiced it, why the fark would you place them 300 miles away from the set.
 
2012-11-07 02:14:00 PM
What is hilarious about this clip (among other things) is that Karl Rove says there are "991" votes separating the 2, with a quarter of the votes left to count, when up on the screen it is actually 30,000 votes that separate them.
 
2012-11-07 02:15:10 PM

Rent Party: impaler: http://www.natesilverwrong.com/


Lolz...

[img233.imageshack.us image 414x158]


growlersoftware.com
 
2012-11-07 02:23:14 PM

Shrugging Atlas: tarheel07: Shrugging Atlas: ThatGuyGreg: This is the hallway weirdness.

So she says, "When we practiced this before..."

WTF were they practicing that for? That's just about the strangest thing I've seen between last night and today....

Meh, I'm sure they had a contingency plan for broadcasting from the number-crunching room. It's just that, coupled with Rove's illogical request, it seemed more than peculiar.

Yeah, that makes sense. I was too hung up on the Rove thing.

My next question would be....if you felt the possibility to have go to those people was such you actually practiced it, why the fark would you place them 300 miles away from the set.


Practicing walking down the hall while talking to the camera =\= practicing specifically to go visit the numbers guys. Talking in motion is a basic news weasel skill. Like smoothly turning to face the active camera or being in the same room as Steve douchey without throwing a punch.
 
2012-11-07 02:28:29 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: Shrugging Atlas: tarheel07: Shrugging Atlas: ThatGuyGreg: This is the hallway weirdness.

So she says, "When we practiced this before..."

WTF were they practicing that for? That's just about the strangest thing I've seen between last night and today....

Meh, I'm sure they had a contingency plan for broadcasting from the number-crunching room. It's just that, coupled with Rove's illogical request, it seemed more than peculiar.

Yeah, that makes sense. I was too hung up on the Rove thing.

My next question would be....if you felt the possibility to have go to those people was such you actually practiced it, why the fark would you place them 300 miles away from the set.

Practicing walking down the hall while talking to the camera =\= practicing specifically to go visit the numbers guys. Talking in motion is a basic news weasel skill. Like smoothly turning to face the active camera or being in the same room as Steve douchey without throwing a punch.


But, she knew specifically when her headset/earpiece was going to connection, so it's not just walking. It *was* specifically going down that hall.
 
2012-11-07 02:28:56 PM
I was watching this live. It was unbelievable and incredibly awkward. The best part was the lady anchor awkwardly walking from her anchor desk down the white hallway to meet with the number crunchers, who looked so uncomfortable being on camera and they basically said "99.95%" that Obama won and Rove was wrong. It was just like that Benghazi pwnage Obama pulled on Romney during the second debate. So glad I was watching Fox News, of all channels. That scene brought me so much joy! FARK YOU, ROVE!
 
2012-11-07 02:29:32 PM

Nilatir: Holocaust Agnostic: Shrugging Atlas: tarheel07: Shrugging Atlas: ThatGuyGreg: This is the hallway weirdness.

So she says, "When we practiced this before..."

WTF were they practicing that for? That's just about the strangest thing I've seen between last night and today....

Meh, I'm sure they had a contingency plan for broadcasting from the number-crunching room. It's just that, coupled with Rove's illogical request, it seemed more than peculiar.

Yeah, that makes sense. I was too hung up on the Rove thing.

My next question would be....if you felt the possibility to have go to those people was such you actually practiced it, why the fark would you place them 300 miles away from the set.

Practicing walking down the hall while talking to the camera =\= practicing specifically to go visit the numbers guys. Talking in motion is a basic news weasel skill. Like smoothly turning to face the active camera or being in the same room as Steve douchey without throwing a punch.

But, she knew specifically when her headset/earpiece was going to connection, so it's not just walking. It *was* specifically going down that hall.


...going to lose connection...
 
2012-11-07 02:41:25 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: Talking in motion is a basic news weasel skill.


I find this comparison insulting to mustelids.

Weasels, and their ferret cousins, are awesome and adorable. It's mean to compare them to fox news anchors.
 
2012-11-07 02:43:42 PM
Wow, I watched that live last night but changed the channel before she started walking down the hallway, hilarious. I'm too lazy to see if anyone else posted it already, but here's the video:

Link
 
2012-11-07 02:47:41 PM

steverockson:
You need to get over to DickMorrisdotcom, the comments there will put a smile on your face for a month!


from same:

"But the more proximate cause of my error was that I did not take full account of the impact of hurricane Sandy and of Governor Chris Christie's bipartisan march through New Jersey arm in arm with President Obama. Not to mention Christe's fawning promotion of Obama's presidential leadership."

These chodes still do not get it. You lost because Americans recognized a huge sociopath corporate asshole when the see one. The only thing that bothers me is that the victory margin was not more (god, guns and gays of course)

/now after seeing that putrescent sack's website I need a shower...
 
2012-11-07 03:12:47 PM

TheAnalogKid: What is hilarious about this clip (among other things) is that Karl Rove says there are "991" votes separating the 2, with a quarter of the votes left to count, when up on the screen it is actually 30,000 votes that separate them.



In his defense:
He was referencing numbers he had gotten direclty from an election official and the graphic hadn't been updated yet.


He is still an idiot.
 
2012-11-07 03:36:49 PM

Nilatir: Holocaust Agnostic: Shrugging Atlas: tarheel07: Shrugging Atlas: ThatGuyGreg: This is the hallway weirdness.

So she says, "When we practiced this before..."

WTF were they practicing that for? That's just about the strangest thing I've seen between last night and today....

Meh, I'm sure they had a contingency plan for broadcasting from the number-crunching room. It's just that, coupled with Rove's illogical request, it seemed more than peculiar.

Yeah, that makes sense. I was too hung up on the Rove thing.

My next question would be....if you felt the possibility to have go to those people was such you actually practiced it, why the fark would you place them 300 miles away from the set.

Practicing walking down the hall while talking to the camera =\= practicing specifically to go visit the numbers guys. Talking in motion is a basic news weasel skill. Like smoothly turning to face the active camera or being in the same room as Steve douchey without throwing a punch.

But, she knew specifically when her headset/earpiece was going to connection, so it's not just walking. It *was* specifically going down that hall.


Yes, they practiced reporting while walking down a hall, in a hall that's in their studio. Those bastards!

Onceyouhatesomeoneeveythingtheydoisoffensive,lookatthatbiatcheatingcoo k ies.jpg
 
2012-11-07 03:37:44 PM
My initial thought when all this went down, in light of recent allegations of voting machine rigging in Ohio, was that Rove was waiting for the cooked numbers from the rigged voting machines to come in. And that maybe he suddenly realized he'd been double-crossed when Obama's numbers were as high as they were....

Yes, I read too many novels.
 
2012-11-07 04:07:20 PM

pseudoscience: Wow, I watched that live last night but changed the channel before she started walking down the hallway, hilarious. I'm too lazy to see if anyone else posted it already, but here's the video:

Link


Republican doubts on science is going fractal. Whether it's the nation at large with Nate Silver, or individual counties in Ohio, it all looks the same.
 
2012-11-07 04:11:18 PM
I love this one

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-11-07 04:24:31 PM
Here is my crazy conspiracy theory. The walk down the hall was a contingency plan if there needed to be an emergency Romney/Rove discussion. Rove cues everyone by saying something like, "Hey, Megyn, those numbers don't look right to me. Check with the stats guys." Megyn then goes down the hall to the stats guys holding pen. Their room is located as far as possible to give Rove a chance to communicate with the Romney camp. That way they don't have to explain a sudden Rove absence on the set.
 
2012-11-07 04:43:20 PM
I just want to say that however and whomever came up with using "potato" as a euphanism for "retard" made my night. Some comment in the election thread stated something along the lines of "Karl Rove is going full potato on FOX!" made me chuckle like a baby being tickled.

Can we all agree that potato should be introduced into the vernacular as a one word definition for any action that would otherwise be described as retarded or stupid?
 
2012-11-07 04:49:23 PM

Githerax: One thing I don't quite get is...

Why was Karl Rove so adamant about the fact of Fox calling the Ohio race based on prediction? 'Calling' it doesn't assign votes, it's just a projection. Did he think that if Fox 'calls' more states for Romney that means he wins?

I mean, the whole underlying principle of news media is to report things; now, falsifying reports is "fine", but it doesn't change the underlying reality.

/I said underlying twice


Worked in Florida in 2000. Networks called Gore, Fox called Bush.
 
2012-11-07 04:53:09 PM
Rove: "B-b--b-but Romney CAN'T lose Ohio. The numbers must be wrong. The fix was in!!!! They promised they would deliver!"
 
2012-11-07 05:31:49 PM

Le Bomb Suprize: I just want to say that however and whomever came up with using "potato" as a euphanism for "retard" made my night. Some comment in the election thread stated something along the lines of "Karl Rove is going full potato on FOX!" made me chuckle like a baby being tickled.

Can we all agree that potato should be introduced into the vernacular as a one word definition for any action that would otherwise be described as retarded or stupid?


I support this issue.
 
2012-11-07 05:33:04 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: Yes, they practiced reporting while walking down a hall, in a hall that's in their studio. Those bastards!

Onceyouhatesomeoneeveythingtheydoisoffensive,lookatthatbiatcheatingco o k ies.jpg


Dude, be calm. I merely thought it odd they'd have a group of people they felt they may need to speak with during a live broadcast 2 blocks from the set. Her comments suggest they had prepared for such an event. So again...just thought it odd they'd have them so far away as well as wondering why someone from there couldn't just come to the set. I don't care if it's Fox, MSNBC, or CNN. The entire thing just seems (and appeared) very odd and pointless. Like CNN's 'holograms' or MSNBC's Al Sharpton.
 
2012-11-07 05:54:21 PM
I'll admit it. I never thought Karl was stupid enough to drink his own damned Kool-Aid. I stand corrected.
 
2012-11-07 06:09:18 PM

DeaH: I'll admit it. I never thought Karl was stupid enough to drink his own damned Kool-Aid. I stand corrected.


Me too. I think the problem is that it's all they have to drink on-set.
 
2012-11-07 07:10:53 PM

Felgraf: WinoRhino:Congrats, you're one of today's lucky 10,000. I have a great new word for you. It's German. Fremdscham: Almost the opposite of Schadenfreude, Fremdscham is the feeling of being embarrassed for someone else (presumably someone who's not embarrassed for themselves, but should be.)

That word succinctly explains why I cannot watch modern american sitcoms.

/And why The Office causes me *physical pain*.
//I do not like embarrassment humor.


Oh, ye gods. Same here.

Incredibly useful word for me.
 
2012-11-07 07:16:43 PM

Wasteland: Felgraf: WinoRhino:Congrats, you're one of today's lucky 10,000. I have a great new word for you. It's German. Fremdscham: Almost the opposite of Schadenfreude, Fremdscham is the feeling of being embarrassed for someone else (presumably someone who's not embarrassed for themselves, but should be.)

That word succinctly explains why I cannot watch modern american sitcoms.

/And why The Office causes me *physical pain*.
//I do not like embarrassment humor.

Oh, ye gods. Same here.

Incredibly useful word for me.


Fremdscham

Fremdscham

If I use it 3 times in daily speech, I will own this word.
 
2012-11-07 07:22:43 PM

Smackledorfer: I just like the video on the link of that douchenozzle claiming whites males are the minority.

Yes, when you consider ALL non-white/non-male people to be one group, then white males are the farking minority. I would be insulted as fark by that if I were a woman, especially a white woman.

Hey 45% of women who went for Romney: you just got told you aren't the equals and partners of white males, but rather are no better than a black or an hispanic. You don't sit at their table, you sit with the rest of the country.

Now, I'm not lumping all republicans together, and obviously 45% of female voters didn't vote that way because they want to follow their husband's commands like he in turn follows god's. I don't think all the white male conservatives agree with bullshiat like that either. But I do think that your party will accept anything short of Todd Akin's comments when it comes to misogynistic bullshiat, and it might behoove the rest of you, male or female, white or black, to try to shut these farkers up and remove their influence on your party.

And Bill is one of the more sane pundits advocating for Republicans.


I see what you did there. F*k You for your sincerity.

/hoping in three pages you've seen your mistake
 
2012-11-07 07:27:16 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Smackledorfer: Yes, when you consider ALL non-white/non-male people to be one group, then white males are the farking minority. I would be insulted as fark by that if I were a woman, especially a white woman.

White woman here; was done with being insulted quite a while ago. All I can garner now is a small roll of the eyes and shake of the head.

/it helps getting to this point when your father is constantly lambasting you as well because your not, well, a son.




Nevermind. Three pages and 142 comments later, and the above is the ONLY comment directed towards what Smackledorfer wrote... If CapeFearCadaver didn't get it, then Smackledorfer never will.

Fking white people. Jesus.
 
2012-11-07 07:55:27 PM

Somacandra: Granny_Panties: The days of large corporations donating huge amounts of money to Super PACs are over. There is no way the Koch brothers and company are going to be dumb enough to do this again.

Oh....I don't think so.


At the very least, people know have a clear view. Back in 2008, there was the idea that was there, but it was not addressed correctly. Now, we see the man behind the curtain.

Yes, they'll try to bribe/intimidate/remove (to put it in kind words) every Democrat and progressive they can get their hands on, but this time, people know, and they're not happy with what they know.

I predict that, and very angry Republicans, and an angrier Fox News cast, and a much toked up Rush Limbaugh (might slurs words as he goes).
 
2012-11-07 08:57:18 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: Nilatir: Holocaust Agnostic: Shrugging Atlas: tarheel07: Shrugging Atlas: ThatGuyGreg: This is the hallway weirdness.

So she says, "When we practiced this before..."

WTF were they practicing that for? That's just about the strangest thing I've seen between last night and today....

Meh, I'm sure they had a contingency plan for broadcasting from the number-crunching room. It's just that, coupled with Rove's illogical request, it seemed more than peculiar.

Yeah, that makes sense. I was too hung up on the Rove thing.

My next question would be....if you felt the possibility to have go to those people was such you actually practiced it, why the fark would you place them 300 miles away from the set.

Practicing walking down the hall while talking to the camera =\= practicing specifically to go visit the numbers guys. Talking in motion is a basic news weasel skill. Like smoothly turning to face the active camera or being in the same room as Steve douchey without throwing a punch.

But, she knew specifically when her headset/earpiece was going to connection, so it's not just walking. It *was* specifically going down that hall.

Yes, they practiced reporting while walking down a hall, in a hall that's in their studio. Those bastards!

Onceyouhatesomeoneeveythingtheydoisoffensive,lookatthatbiatcheatingco o k ies.jpg


It's more than that. Notice that when she 'rounds the corner at about 1:35 in, there's a cut to a second camera. This was far from impromptu, and was staged, blocked and specifically added to the "coverage". Don't know why since it made Rove look like the ass he is, but it was far from a "just in case" scenario.
 
2012-11-07 11:04:07 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Smackledorfer: I just like the video on the link of that douchenozzle claiming whites males are the minority.

Yes, when you consider ALL non-white/non-male people to be one group, then white males are the farking minority. I would be insulted as fark by that if I were a woman, especially a white woman.

Hey 45% of women who went for Romney: you just got told you aren't the equals and partners of white males, but rather are no better than a black or an hispanic. You don't sit at their table, you sit with the rest of the country.

Now, I'm not lumping all republicans together, and obviously 45% of female voters didn't vote that way because they want to follow their husband's commands like he in turn follows god's. I don't think all the white male conservatives agree with bullshiat like that either. But I do think that your party will accept anything short of Todd Akin's comments when it comes to misogynistic bullshiat, and it might behoove the rest of you, male or female, white or black, to try to shut these farkers up and remove their influence on your party.

And Bill is one of the more sane pundits advocating for Republicans.

I see what you did there. F*k You for your sincerity.

/hoping in three pages you've seen your mistake


No, you're going to have to spell it out for me.

A pundit when into a rant about white males being a minority. White females are still the largest group combination of race/sex in the country, with white males a close second, and every other group well behind either of those. Yet this pundit is trying to pretend that white males are a minority being disenfranchised because EVERY SINGLE OTHER BREAKDOWN of races and colors leaned towards Obama and away from what I guess is the 'white/male' candidate (He's not my candidate, I guess I'm a race/sex traitor).

It is significant that he distinguishes white women from white men in his comment in order to make his kind of whites seem like a disenfranchised minority and chooses to lump them in with what the pundit clearly believes to be inferior groups (you know, blacks, browns, yellows, and I guess everything with a vagina, or gays; I'm sure there are more).

I think that detail is worth pointing out. I don't know if you misread my statements and thought I actually believe that minority groups are inferior or what. Please enlighten me.
 
2012-11-07 11:06:13 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: then Smackledorfer never will.

Fking white people. Jesus.


You read something into my post that I didn't write, but are keeping it a secret to yourself while biatching that nobody but you saw it.....

And in the process you whine about whitey, adding extra irony to the mix. Nice job.
 
2012-11-08 02:07:56 AM

Smackledorfer: ExperianScaresCthulhu: then Smackledorfer never will.

Fking white people. Jesus.

You read something into my post that I didn't write, but are keeping it a secret to yourself while biatching that nobody but you saw it.....

And in the process you whine about whitey, adding extra irony to the mix. Nice job.


Your post in full: "I just like the video on the link of that douchenozzle claiming whites males are the minority. Yes, when you consider ALL non-white/non-male people to be one group, then white males are the farking minority. I would be insulted as fark by that if I were a woman, especially a white woman. Hey 45% of women who went for Romney: you just got told you aren't the equals and partners of white males, but rather are no better than a black or an hispanic. You don't sit at their table, you sit with the rest of the country. Now, I'm not lumping all republicans together, and obviously 45% of female voters didn't vote that way because they want to follow their husband's commands like he in turn follows god's. I don't think all the white male conservatives agree with bullshiat like that either. But I do think that your party will accept anything short of Todd Akin's comments when it comes to misogynistic bullshiat, and it might behoove the rest of you, male or female, white or black, to try to shut these farkers up and remove their influence on your party. And Bill is one of the more sane pundits advocating for Republicans."

What I took issue with:
* "when you consider ALL non-white/non-male people to be one group, then white males are the farking minority. I would be insulted as fark by that if I were a woman, especially a white woman."
- Why I took issue with it: Why should a white woman especially be insulted? I instinctly winced at the direction you were going. Auxilliary Klanswoman flashbacks. 'How Dare Black Men Get the Vote before White Women' arguments aong white feminists (past and present) who weren't Klan, flashbacks. What makes a minority, anyway? Not numbers, not really. It's power that makes one a minority versus a majority. If you have the majority of the power, you are a majority. If you have a minority of power, you are a minority.

White males, be they Anglo, German or Spanish -- or Jewish -- hold power. Non-white males, be they Black, Indian, Mestizo/Mulatto, hold considerably less power. Dirty white males (which Spanish/Latino males should probably currently be counted as) are in between, until they are absorbed into the generic white male classification.

Asian Men and Asian Women are in the position of having more material wealth than White Men and White Women, having a separate ladder than White Men and White Women, and not having to share that ladder with Black Men and Women, Latin Men and Women and Indian Men and Women. Asian Men and Asian Women are only People of Color, in America, in the literal sense, not in the power sense.

Asian Men and Asian Women are not People of Color in the political sense.

Anyway, White women hold more power than non-white women. They hold so much power, in fact, that the term 'woman' is shorthand for white woman, in the same way 'man' was shorthand for European. It is not and never has been an inclusive term. Statistics which fit for white women don't fit for women of color, and never have. If you're a person of color, black, latin or indian, you are more likely to read between the lines of 'woman' than a white is. If you are an Asian, you don't have to read between the lines because you are more likely to not give a fk one way or the other, because the White Woman is irrelevant to you.. if anything, the White Woman is fighting *you* for a place on *your* ladder. If you read a story about 'Woman' you already know it doesn't apply to you, but your knowing leads to different places than the Traditional Woman of Color's knowing. If that makes sense.

A white woman is going to see herself, in the phrase 'Woman', and that's the end of the story... because it's true. Why is that important? The woman of color has her negative experiences absorbed by the white woman, in the woman's narrative for herself; but the woman of color does not have her positive experiences absorbed -- they are unique to herself. More importantly the white woman's positive experiences are not and can not be absorbed into the woman of color's own experiences. The white woman's victories are not necessarily the woman of color's victories.... but the white woman's victories are classified as Woman's victory. The White woman's victories are supposed to be shared by all women, even when they are not, because the white woman is to Woman as the white man is to Man.

The woman of color's victories, are never classified as the generic Woman's victory.

So, as you said, "I would be insulted as fark by that if I were a woman, especially a white woman." Yes, how dare the White Woman be lumped in the Non-White Man. Should she not feel some smidgin of outrage that she does not share the top of the mountain with her White Man? That is the especially, and that is what I was offended by. The 'especially' which you added underscored that White Woman is the default.

The other part of that is.... why should the Woman of Color be insulted that she is lumped with the Man of Color, since she is going to share some experiences with the Man of Color which the White Woman will never understand, absorb or comprehend? The Woman of Color is in the position of knowing that her Man of Color is powerless.

The White Woman knows that her White Man holds power.

If anything, the Woman of Color and Man of Color should be on the same side, but can not be. The Woman and Man of Color hold no power, and must deal with the challenges that brings into the home, where a traditional relationship may be desired, but can not be fulfilled. The Woman and Man of Color have additional fights the White Man and Woman have no inkling of, and which is not acknowledged in any discussions where Man is default for White and Woman is default for White.

All that to say, Too Long, Didn't Read: This graph --

www.npr.org
 
2012-11-08 02:39:45 AM

Smackledorfer: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Smackledorfer: I just like the video on the link of that douchenozzle claiming whites males are the minority.

Yes, when you consider ALL non-white/non-male people to be one group, then white males are the farking minority. I would be insulted as fark by that if I were a woman, especially a white woman.

Hey 45% of women who went for Romney: you just got told you aren't the equals and partners of white males, but rather are no better than a black or an hispanic. You don't sit at their table, you sit with the rest of the country.

Now, I'm not lumping all republicans together, and obviously 45% of female voters didn't vote that way because they want to follow their husband's commands like he in turn follows god's. I don't think all the white male conservatives agree with bullshiat like that either. But I do think that your party will accept anything short of Todd Akin's comments when it comes to misogynistic bullshiat, and it might behoove the rest of you, male or female, white or black, to try to shut these farkers up and remove their influence on your party.

And Bill is one of the more sane pundits advocating for Republicans.

I see what you did there. F*k You for your sincerity.

/hoping in three pages you've seen your mistake

No, you're going to have to spell it out for me.

A pundit when into a rant about white males being a minority. White females are still the largest group combination of race/sex in the country, with white males a close second, and every other group well behind either of those. Yet this pundit is trying to pretend that white males are a minority being disenfranchised because EVERY SINGLE OTHER BREAKDOWN of races and colors leaned towards Obama and away from what I guess is the 'white/male' candidate (He's not my candidate, I guess I'm a race/sex traitor).

It is significant that he distinguishes white women from white men in his comment in order to make his kind of whites seem like a disenfranchised minority and ...


(continuing) because I spent so long on a tangent which could be summed up in a sentence or two, but didn't know to do it. Apologies:

Your post in full: "I just like the video on the link of that douchenozzle claiming whites males are the minority. Yes, when you consider ALL non-white/non-male people to be one group, then white males are the farking minority. I would be insulted as fark by that if I were a woman, especially a white woman. Hey 45% of women who went for Romney: you just got told you aren't the equals and partners of white males, but rather are no better than a black or an hispanic. You don't sit at their table, you sit with the rest of the country. Now, I'm not lumping all republicans together, and obviously 45% of female voters didn't vote that way because they want to follow their husband's commands like he in turn follows god's. I don't think all the white male conservatives agree with bullshiat like that either. But I do think that your party will accept anything short of Todd Akin's comments when it comes to misogynistic bullshiat, and it might behoove the rest of you, male or female, white or black, to try to shut these farkers up and remove their influence on your party. And Bill is one of the more sane pundits advocating for Republicans."

What I took issue with:
* Hey 45% of women who went for Romney: you just got told you aren't the equals and partners of white males, but rather are no better than a black or an hispanic.
- Why I took issue with it: you used 'woman' as shorthand for 'white woman'. You insulted blacks and latinos. You upheld the status quo of whites on top of the ladder, blacks and latinos fighting at the bottom of the ladder. You ignored that the only way for Black Women and Latina Women to be equal partners of White Men is if Black Men and Latino Men were erased from the equation, and White Men took All.

This goes back to what I was saying above of traditional gender roles, and how some women may be primary breadwinners... but would prefer that their men were; and their men would prefer that they were the primary breadwinner. Black Women Don't Want White Men. Latina Women Don't Want White Men. Black Women Want Black Men. Latina Women Want Latino Men. Black Women and Latina Women need to stop allowing themselves to be proxies in White Women's fight against White Men.

White Women earn more than both Black Men and Latino Men. PROBLEM. Black Men and Latino Men are like, 'WTF?' and they should be. They get all of the negatives of the Gender Wars, with none of the positives.... yet White Women fight Black and Latino Men just as hard as -- if not harder than -- their brothers and husbands, the White Man. PROBLEM. And Black Women and Latina Women are supposed to Fight Their Brothers and Husbands, in this generic Gender War where generic really means 'White', instead of uplifting and supporting them so that they can reach the level of even a White Woman. PROBLEM.

Asians, again, don't enter the equation because they are on an entirely different ladder... they get the all the benefits (including power!), and none of the negatives. That's the benefit of never biatching, and letting other people do it for you, and looking down at those who do fight even while you reap the benefits.

* You don't sit at their table, you sit with the rest of the country.
- Again, I took offense at you underscoring the status quo, and not finding a problem with Whites on Top. Oh noes, White Women Don't Sit With White Men, How Insulting. Oh noes, White Women are separate from Women of Color, Women of Color are Grouped with Men of Color, but White Women are Unique and deserve more.

You didn't write those first couple sentences as if you were parodying what you believed Republicans thought. If it was a parody, then I apologize for misreading you. But it did not appear you were parodying. It appeared you were trying to get in on White Women's good side by saying' hey, look at what that White Male douchnozzle believes, can you believe he actually grouped you with those Blacks and Latinos? The nerve of him, when you should be seated beside him above Blacks and Latinos, are you not insulted?'

* obviously 45% of female voters didn't vote that way because they want to follow their husband's commands like he in turn follows god's.
- Who's to say they don't? Takes all types. The call to be homemaker is very real in women, just as the call to be breadwinner is very real in men. The race gap does multiple types of damage in that arena. I fear the day when White Women get what they want, and call it a day -- a Victory for Women -- while meanwhile the Women of Color and the Man of Color are still left behind, their own battles ignored and silenced.


* But I do think that your party will accept anything short of Todd Akin's comments when it comes to misogynistic bullshiat,
- Misogyny against White Women is noted; misogyny against Women of Color.. is not. Misandry against Men of Color should have been noted, but was wiped out by sucking up to White Women.

* it might behoove the rest of you, male or female, white or black, to try to shut these farkers up and remove their influence on your party.
- Better to know what is in someone's heart, than to be in the dark. You are right, however, the Republican party needs a major housecleaning. I'm hoping that the loss of Romney the RINO as backed by Israel First Interests is the first step. Housecleaning doesn't come immediately, it takes time to realize what the problem is and to then fix the problem. It can be done, though; those inches will become feet will become yards will become miles. That is my Impossible Dream.

TL;DR part II: it looked like you were supporting the status quo.
 
2012-11-08 09:58:05 AM
The especially a white woman part wasn't because white women are better than colored women, but because guys like oreilly expect them to go along with the white male majority (his terminology) while at the same time saying they are so inferior.

At least with the race difference he and others aren't expecting the support and are giving less of it. Meanwhile 45% of white women seem to have missed the message and still voted Romney.

The especially is that despite giving that support they still don't count as full white people; the only way Oreilly can make his 'whites are a minority' complaint.

As for whether that 45% want to be secondary to men? No, I don't believe they all do. Who is to say they don't all feel the same way and vote for the exact same reason? Me, by not stereotyping 45% of women as identical :P
 
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