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(Wisconsin State Journal)   Not News: 70-year-old man gets bored yelling at people on his lawn. News: Decides to point radar gun at traffic to slow them down. Fark: Finds out radar gun can be mistaken for a real gun   (host.madison.com) divider line 78
    More: Dumbass, Joel DeSpain, Madison Police Department, traffic, guns  
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2012-11-07 02:45:36 PM  

remus: Sultan Of Herf: uncleacid: Didn't Mythbusters prove that hiding behind your car door during a gun fight is not a good idea?

I dont know if they did, but it is not a god idea. Car doors are made of an outer panel (usually metal, sometimes plastic or fiberglass, a reinforcing frame (usually metal, but thin, a window crank or motor & frame, and a plastic interior panel. Maybe a side impact beam. All in all in a best case scenario (side beam, window down) it might stop the average handgun round. However, in general its not very solid cover. If used in an emergency it should be abandoned in favor of something more solid very quickly.

Best use of a car for cover is to be on the opposite side from the shooter, keeping yourself low behind a wheel or the engine block.

It's most definitely a BAD idea to hide behind a car door in a gun fight.

PROOF: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/thebuickotruth.htm

Read the various sections. Lots of pics too.


The Box of Truth: Buick of Truth 

Added the link, sorry!
 
2012-11-07 02:54:40 PM  
In my district, we had a prominent older guy playing neighborhood watch in a back yard in his neighborhood. He had been walking his dog, and knew the back paths well, saw a home that he knew had a vacationing owner, but with the lights lit up. So he goes up to the bushes, in back around the house and stares at the woman inside (who is the sister of the absent homeowner, with permission rights to be there). Cops get called, police dog gets set on the now-rapidly-walking-away city elder guy, and story hits the paper the next day. It was funny. I know the guy, and I'm sure that alcohol was involved. More than once, I saw him react poorly to the grog's effects. He most likely learned a good lesson.
 
2012-11-07 03:34:12 PM  
Never confuse concealment with cover.
 
2012-11-07 03:49:18 PM  
www.the-bastard.com

Slow down, you damn, dirty speeders.
 
2012-11-07 03:53:01 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Resident Muslim: No, no, no.
They mistook it for a rail-gun or Uzi.

Unless they mistook it for a real gun. Then they are idiots.

Fully automatic Glock Ak-47


I wonder if you could mod an AK to shoot .45 GAP ammo...not that you would want to.
 
2012-11-07 03:54:40 PM  
Surprised this has not been posted yet: Link
 
2012-11-07 03:58:56 PM  
quizilla.teennick.com

Radar with dome.
 
2012-11-07 04:18:18 PM  

Austinoftx: Funny though, isn't it, how 911 doesn't get jammed with "man pointing gun" reports whenever a real cop is hiding in bushes with a radar gun? It's almost like people do know what a radar gun looks like, and don't waste anyone's time. Unless they're trying to get a neighbor in trouble, or executed, for perfectly legal activity?

If you're driving too fast to tell whether it's a real gun or a radar gun, you're just incriminating yourself for speeding. This just does not add up to a genuine case of concern for anyone's safety, which makes the drawing of real guns to be excessive force, and probably wouldn't have been apologized for if it hadn't made the news.

The cops will "mistake" any g-damn thing they like in order to justify pointing their little hand-held agony and death launchers. And the always get away with it. POW! Oops! Oh, that poor *cop*..... he must be feeling terrible right now. Punishment enough. Widow of the victim? Meh. She should be satisfied that an internal investigation determined there were no violations of policy.


That is a very good point.
 
2012-11-07 04:32:46 PM  

silverjets: Benjimin_Dover: So these cops don't know what a radar gun looks like? I call BS.

No, the passing motorists that reported it don't know what a radar gun looks like. The cops are simply responding to a call that someone is pointing a gun at people.


Really? They'd never seen police officers using a radar gun?
 
2012-11-07 04:48:09 PM  

andyofne: Really? They'd never seen police officers using a radar gun?


Sigh... Idiot non-police officers called 911 reporting somebody was pointing a gun at traffic. At which point, given the delay for the responding cops to get there, the dude 'could' simply have had the firearm out of sight. Or swapped it with the radar version.

Thus the caution and the takedown.
 
2012-11-07 05:03:35 PM  
My google-fu is weak today. I wanted to post the pic of Mac from Supertroopers radar gunning himself while masterbating.

I fail.
 
2012-11-07 05:08:23 PM  
IMHO, on this one you really can't fault the cops.

Depending on the ossifers, you'll sometimes get this too when they look you up and see you've got a concealed carry permit, same issue.

If they don't know you personally, what would you expect them to do? I generally look out the window, see them doing the grim creep up the sides of the truck with their sidearms out and grin, then ask "What would make you more comfortable, my hands on the wheel or out the window? If you want, too, toss me your cuffs and I'll handcuff myself to the wheel", which in the two or three times it's come up, has put an end to the thing on the spot.

//Then, too, at the time my truck was sort of provocatively decorated for a gag, still can't blame them.
 
2012-11-07 05:09:16 PM  

remus: Sultan Of Herf: uncleacid: Didn't Mythbusters prove that hiding behind your car door during a gun fight is not a good idea?

I dont know if they did, but it is not a god idea. Car doors are made of an outer panel (usually metal, sometimes plastic or fiberglass, a reinforcing frame (usually metal, but thin, a window crank or motor & frame, and a plastic interior panel. Maybe a side impact beam. All in all in a best case scenario (side beam, window down) it might stop the average handgun round. However, in general its not very solid cover. If used in an emergency it should be abandoned in favor of something more solid very quickly.

Best use of a car for cover is to be on the opposite side from the shooter, keeping yourself low behind a wheel or the engine block.

It's most definitely a BAD idea to hide behind a car door in a gun fight.

PROOF: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/thebuickotruth.htm

Read the various sections. Lots of pics too.


im pritty sure the new cop cars doors were tested or something, to withstand small arms fire.
 
2012-11-07 05:10:41 PM  

uncleacid: Didn't Mythbusters prove that hiding behind your car door during a gun fight is not a good idea?


lol

remus: Best use of a car for cover is to be on the opposite side from the shooter, keeping yourself low behind a wheel or the engine block.


wheel or the engine block - what I was taught (MP); friend shot (at work so it's cool) a dude w/ a .40 through a door... dead as you can get but he dumped a clip and got 3 on target
 
2012-11-07 05:13:39 PM  

F22raptom: remus: Sultan Of Herf: uncleacid: Didn't Mythbusters prove that hiding behind your car door during a gun fight is not a good idea?

I dont know if they did, but it is not a god idea. Car doors are made of an outer panel (usually metal, sometimes plastic or fiberglass, a reinforcing frame (usually metal, but thin, a window crank or motor & frame, and a plastic interior panel. Maybe a side impact beam. All in all in a best case scenario (side beam, window down) it might stop the average handgun round. However, in general its not very solid cover. If used in an emergency it should be abandoned in favor of something more solid very quickly.

Best use of a car for cover is to be on the opposite side from the shooter, keeping yourself low behind a wheel or the engine block.

It's most definitely a BAD idea to hide behind a car door in a gun fight.

PROOF: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/thebuickotruth.htm

Read the various sections. Lots of pics too.

im pritty sure the new cop cars doors were tested or something, to withstand small arms fire.


The new Ford police interceptor offers Kevlar-reinforced doors as an option. I am not aware of any other major makers who do... of course any door could be bullet-proofed after the fact, but I don't think many are.
 
2012-11-07 05:14:30 PM  
Why do you people have so much Radar Love?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-07 05:16:51 PM  
I knew a guy who would call 911 when he saw somebody on an overpass aiming what might have been a radar/laser gun or a real gun at traffic. The dispatcher always assumed it was a cop. Police may have checked on the situation, but they didn't go into full panic "let's play SWAT team and hope to shoot somebody" mode.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-07 05:23:37 PM  
I've aimed radar and laser guns into traffic and never drew an armed response. A few cops looked at me funny. One decided to come over and annoy me, but there was quickly a real uniformed state trooper watching us both so he was just playing tough without any real ability to be tough.
 
2012-11-07 05:27:56 PM  

URAPNIS: So when a motor cop points his radar gun at me, I can draw on him?
Should end well.


You are not allowed to depend your life against them. It's for your safety.
 
2012-11-07 05:57:45 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Fully automatic Glock Ak-47


Fully automatic Glock Ak-47 revolver, with extra clips AND magazines!
 
2012-11-07 06:47:34 PM  
Where I used to live, the city would let you check out a radar gun and use it to flag speeders. You recorded their license plate and speed and sent it off and they sent form letters to the vehicle owner as part of an effort to slow down traffic. We tried it once and the record was a mom a minivan doing 56 mph (30 mph zone) who dove into the preschool one house down from us.

They probably had to discontinue that if radar guns are now considered real guns.
 
2012-11-07 07:03:15 PM  
DNRTA

In Michigan a guy was just arrested for shooting motorists on the highway.

Would be a little freaked out too if a guy holding what appeared to be a gun and pointed it at me.
 
2012-11-07 07:05:31 PM  

remus: Sultan Of Herf: uncleacid: Didn't Mythbusters prove that hiding behind your car door during a gun fight is not a good idea?

I dont know if they did, but it is not a god idea. Car doors are made of an outer panel (usually metal, sometimes plastic or fiberglass, a reinforcing frame (usually metal, but thin, a window crank or motor & frame, and a plastic interior panel. Maybe a side impact beam. All in all in a best case scenario (side beam, window down) it might stop the average handgun round. However, in general its not very solid cover. If used in an emergency it should be abandoned in favor of something more solid very quickly.

Best use of a car for cover is to be on the opposite side from the shooter, keeping yourself low behind a wheel or the engine block.

It's most definitely a BAD idea to hide behind a car door in a gun fight.

PROOF: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/thebuickotruth.htm

Read the various sections. Lots of pics too.


Standing out in the open and taking a shot is a much better idea then hiding behind a car door that may deflect or absorb some of the impact.
 
2012-11-07 07:27:04 PM  
The guy deserved it. At least the cops were restrained.
 
2012-11-07 07:30:54 PM  

edmo: Where I used to live, the city would let you check out a radar gun and use it to flag speeders. You recorded their license plate and speed and sent it off and they sent form letters to the vehicle owner as part of an effort to slow down traffic. We tried it once and the record was a mom a minivan doing 56 mph (30 mph zone) who dove into the preschool one house down from us.

They probably had to discontinue that if radar guns are now considered real guns.


A knife is a gun.
 
2012-11-07 07:37:34 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: edmo: Where I used to live, the city would let you check out a radar gun and use it to flag speeders. You recorded their license plate and speed and sent it off and they sent form letters to the vehicle owner as part of an effort to slow down traffic. We tried it once and the record was a mom a minivan doing 56 mph (30 mph zone) who dove into the preschool one house down from us.

They probably had to discontinue that if radar guns are now considered real guns.

A knife is a gun.


What about a knife wrench?

images.wikia.com
 
2012-11-07 07:42:11 PM  

andyofne: silverjets: Benjimin_Dover: So these cops don't know what a radar gun looks like? I call BS.

No, the passing motorists that reported it don't know what a radar gun looks like. The cops are simply responding to a call that someone is pointing a gun at people.

Really? They'd never seen police officers using a radar gun?


So let me get this straight...

1. A passing motorist sees me holding a cat and calls the cops to report somebody holding a gun.
2. Cops get on scene and see me holding a cat.
3. Cops draw weapons on me and take me down.
4. Profit?

I say BS. Once on scene, cops have to use observational powers and judgement to determine what is the proper course of action.

What should have happened...

1. A passing motorist sees me holding a cat and calls the cops to report somebody holding a gun.
2. Cops get on scene and see me holding a cat.
3. Cops go back to whatever donut shop they came from.
4. Profit.
 
2012-11-07 08:21:51 PM  
Stoopid.
 
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