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(Wisconsin State Journal)   Not News: 70-year-old man gets bored yelling at people on his lawn. News: Decides to point radar gun at traffic to slow them down. Fark: Finds out radar gun can be mistaken for a real gun   (host.madison.com) divider line 78
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2012-11-07 11:46:58 AM
So the old coot was impersonating a police officer by showing everyone his radar gun?

I hope his wife bans him to months of raking leaves and coupon clipping.
 
2012-11-07 12:29:52 PM
Don't make the cops look bad!

Isn't this a rule?
 
2012-11-07 12:30:23 PM
I could totally see some of the old fogies in my neighborhood doing this. They retire and get bored, so they appoint themselves busybody neighborhood pocket dictator.
 
2012-11-07 12:30:46 PM

tukatz: So the old coot was impersonating a police officer by showing everyone his radar gun?

I hope his wife bans him to months of raking leaves and coupon clipping.


Would it be a crime to create a life-size 2d replica (vinyl or wood) of the profile of a cop car and leave it almost-visible on your property? People speed on my street all the time, and my driveway is situated in such a way that I could hide my "cop car" in it and have it be seen from both directions. I feel like this is probably a crime, just because.
 
2012-11-07 12:33:58 PM
Not News: 70-year-old man gets bored yelling at people on his lawn. News: Decides to point radar gun at traffic to slow them down. Fark: Finds out radar gun can be mistaken for a real gun

Only by morons.
 
2012-11-07 12:38:31 PM

grinding_journalist: tukatz: So the old coot was impersonating a police officer by showing everyone his radar gun?

I hope his wife bans him to months of raking leaves and coupon clipping.

Would it be a crime to create a life-size 2d replica (vinyl or wood) of the profile of a cop car and leave it almost-visible on your property? People speed on my street all the time, and my driveway is situated in such a way that I could hide my "cop car" in it and have it be seen from both directions. I feel like this is probably a crime, just because.


A few years back, I used to see one outside one of the Maryland State Polic barracks...until some of the locals stole it.
 
2012-11-07 12:39:43 PM

Egoy3k: Not News: 70-year-old man gets bored yelling at people on his lawn. News: Decides to point radar gun at traffic to slow them down. Fark: Finds out radar gun can be mistaken for a real gun

Only by morons.


Morons or pigs but I repeat myself
 
2012-11-07 12:40:07 PM
No gunfire? I'm disappointed.

Does that make me a bad person?
 
2012-11-07 12:40:49 PM

grinding_journalist: tukatz: So the old coot was impersonating a police officer by showing everyone his radar gun?

I hope his wife bans him to months of raking leaves and coupon clipping.

Would it be a crime to create a life-size 2d replica (vinyl or wood) of the profile of a cop car and leave it almost-visible on your property? People speed on my street all the time, and my driveway is situated in such a way that I could hide my "cop car" in it and have it be seen from both directions. I feel like this is probably a crime, just because.


My brother bought a used cop car and put the antennae back on it so that it looked like an unmarked cruiser. He got annoyed with it because people always drove slowly in front of him. People also drove by our house slowly. It's completely legal unless you try to pull some one over.

I don't know that the image of a cop car would be legal though. Just go blow a couple thousand on a worn out white Impala and stick antennae on the trunk lid and paint the steel rims black. Park it in your driveway. You're good as gold.
 
2012-11-07 12:41:55 PM

grinding_journalist: tukatz: So the old coot was impersonating a police officer by showing everyone his radar gun?

I hope his wife bans him to months of raking leaves and coupon clipping.

Would it be a crime to create a life-size 2d replica (vinyl or wood) of the profile of a cop car and leave it almost-visible on your property? People speed on my street all the time, and my driveway is situated in such a way that I could hide my "cop car" in it and have it be seen from both directions. I feel like this is probably a crime, just because.


NO that isn't illegal. DO IT!
 
2012-11-07 12:41:59 PM
So these cops don't know what a radar gun looks like? I call BS.
 
2012-11-07 12:42:01 PM
My roommates and I used to do this something similar in college once. We filled an inflatable pool, grabbed some cases of beer, and used an old baseball radar gun to entertain ourselves by clocking the cars speeding by. We never got the cops called on us though
 
2012-11-07 12:43:27 PM
So Captain cul de sac got a demotion?
 
2012-11-07 12:45:26 PM
So when a motor cop points his radar gun at me, I can draw on him?
Should end well.
 
2012-11-07 12:47:13 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Egoy3k: Not News: 70-year-old man gets bored yelling at people on his lawn. News: Decides to point radar gun at traffic to slow them down. Fark: Finds out radar gun can be mistaken for a real gun

Only by morons.

Morons or pigs but I repeat myself


Don't insult pigs like that. They're wonderful animals, with intelligence and character and BACON!
 
2012-11-07 12:47:16 PM
realgutta.com
 
2012-11-07 12:47:32 PM

Benjimin_Dover: So these cops don't know what a radar gun looks like? I call BS.


No, the passing motorists that reported it don't know what a radar gun looks like. The cops are simply responding to a call that someone is pointing a gun at people.
 
2012-11-07 12:47:56 PM
Fool, there are better ways of doing this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027990/Pensioner-ordered-fak e -speed-camera-outside-home--claims-bird-box.html
 
2012-11-07 12:48:41 PM

Egoy3k: Not News: 70-year-old man gets bored yelling at people on his lawn. News: Decides to point radar gun at traffic to slow them down. Fark: Finds out radar gun can be mistaken for a real gun

Only by morons.



Some radar units are smaller and could be mistaken for some type of gun by someone cruising by at a reasonable speed. Most were probably just annoyed by the idiot designating himself Speed Nazi.
 
2012-11-07 12:49:52 PM
No, no, no.
They mistook it for a rail-gun or Uzi.

Unless they mistook it for a real gun. Then they are idiots.
 
2012-11-07 12:51:27 PM

grinding_journalist: tukatz: So the old coot was impersonating a police officer by showing everyone his radar gun?

I hope his wife bans him to months of raking leaves and coupon clipping.

Would it be a crime to create a life-size 2d replica (vinyl or wood) of the profile of a cop car and leave it almost-visible on your property? People speed on my street all the time, and my driveway is situated in such a way that I could hide my "cop car" in it and have it be seen from both directions. I feel like this is probably a crime, just because.




Not a crime, but you could get in legal trouble if someone's sleazy lawyer proves that your creation caused an accident by distracting someone. "And then I ran into those 5 parked cars because I was too busy staring at the squad car and putting my cell phone down."
 
2012-11-07 12:51:29 PM

cgraves67: grinding_journalist: tukatz: So the old coot was impersonating a police officer by showing everyone his radar gun?

I hope his wife bans him to months of raking leaves and coupon clipping.

Would it be a crime to create a life-size 2d replica (vinyl or wood) of the profile of a cop car and leave it almost-visible on your property? People speed on my street all the time, and my driveway is situated in such a way that I could hide my "cop car" in it and have it be seen from both directions. I feel like this is probably a crime, just because.

My brother bought a used cop car and put the antennae back on it so that it looked like an unmarked cruiser. He got annoyed with it because people always drove slowly in front of him. People also drove by our house slowly. It's completely legal unless you try to pull some one over.

I don't know that the image of a cop car would be legal though. Just go blow a couple thousand on a worn out white Impala and stick antennae on the trunk lid and paint the steel rims black. Park it in your driveway. You're good as gold.


you're right. it's true. cop car is a great deterrent. police park outside my house often, i can leave cold beer and cash outside my house and no one will touch it.

-- Rob Cockerham at cockeyeddotcom has a great little story about using a Hot Wheels radar gun to check on local traffic speed. I swear that boy has more fun that a barrel full of monkeys.
 
2012-11-07 12:52:44 PM
"Once the situation was figured out, police said, the citizen was told his mistake was in not notifying police of his traffic monitoring plan."

Yeah, I don't see that making much of a difference in most cases.
 
2012-11-07 12:54:39 PM
Didn't Mythbusters prove that hiding behind your car door during a gun fight is not a good idea?
 
2012-11-07 12:56:44 PM

Resident Muslim: No, no, no.
They mistook it for a rail-gun or Uzi.

Unless they mistook it for a real gun. Then they are idiots.


Fully automatic Glock Ak-47
 
2012-11-07 12:58:00 PM
You're off the force, Brobrovsky!
 
2012-11-07 12:58:34 PM
areeves79

http://realgutta.com/promo/wp-content/uploads/mvbthumbs/img_13765_sp ee d-freak-family-guy-animation-on-fox.jpg

HA, thanks areeves79, you saved me the trouble
 
2012-11-07 01:01:40 PM
Everyone love speed traps outside their own house (the others not so much).
 
2012-11-07 01:07:20 PM

Egoy3k: Not News: 70-year-old man gets bored yelling at people on his lawn. News: Decides to point radar gun at traffic to slow them down. Fark: Finds out radar gun can be mistaken for a real gun

Only by morons.


GIS results for "radar gun" show nothing I would mistake for a firearm.

Maybe... MAYBE I could see this as an MP7 out of the corner of my eye in low light settings, IF I was in a paranoid mood, and IF the top lens happened to reflect some light my way and the others didn't . However the context of the situation and neighborhood would probably make me realize that it was not a fire arm.
media.naplesnews.com
 
2012-11-07 01:12:16 PM
DeSpain told Madison.com it isn't illegal for someone to aim a radar gun at traffic, and the man was allowed to keep it.

"He apologized numerous times," DeSpain said.


The cops should be the ones issuing the apology. They drew-down on, and handcuffed a 70-year old man who wasn't breaking the law.
 
2012-11-07 01:12:45 PM

tukatz: Not a crime, but you could get in legal trouble if someone's sleazy lawyer proves that your creation caused an accident by distracting someone. "And then I ran into those 5 parked cars because I was too busy staring at the squad car and putting my cell phone down."


That's not an excuse that's likely to fly in court. It's still distracted driving if you're paying attention to something else and not where your vehicle is going. You can't sue a radio station if the Morning Zoo DJs make you laugh so hard you lose control and hit a school bus (well, you could, but I doubt you'd win).
 
2012-11-07 01:13:02 PM

cgraves67: I could totally see some of the old fogies in my neighborhood doing this. They retire and get bored, so they appoint themselves busybody neighborhood pocket dictator.


Yeah, me too. Called us on an hoa violation.
However, that man got shiat done.
Pothole? Fixed.
Street sign? Installed.
Snow? Plowed.

I miss him sometimes.
 
2012-11-07 01:17:11 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: DeSpain told Madison.com it isn't illegal for someone to aim a radar gun at traffic, and the man was allowed to keep it.

"He apologized numerous times," DeSpain said.

The cops should be the ones issuing the apology. They drew-down on, and handcuffed a 70-year old man who wasn't breaking the law.


THIS X 20,000
 
2012-11-07 01:21:57 PM
Put it on a tripod. Stops it looking like a guns and saves your arms from aching as well.

Duh
 
2012-11-07 01:24:23 PM
Ugh, cops vs bitter old man... It's tard on tard crime
 
2012-11-07 01:25:39 PM
"Before police knew the situation was not high-risk, the man was on his knees, hands handcuffed behind his head, with two officers pointing their weapons at him, police reported."

The new cops are f'n cowards. They're a disgrace to the oath they "uphold" and I feel no pity towards them when their asses are beaten. I used to want to be a cop... but now, after growing up, I see them for what they truly are. It's one thing to be a cop to truly want to protect people... it's another when you're a military wannabe that only has courage when carrying a gun.

In my line of work, not only do I have to deal with discourteous people, but I have to tolerate it and smile. Cops just beat them down or give them ridiculous charges. And yeah, I've gone for ride-alongs. I dated a girl for 4 years who became a cop during the relationship -- and we broke it off. Why? Because I couldn't take the person she had become. Very few people have any farking idea what courage is anymore.
 
2012-11-07 01:26:03 PM
It was probably one of those 'assualt-style' radar guns.
Did it have a pistol grip?
 
2012-11-07 01:26:38 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: DeSpain told Madison.com it isn't illegal for someone to aim a radar gun at traffic, and the man was allowed to keep it.

"He apologized numerous times," DeSpain said.

The cops should be the ones issuing the apology. They drew-down on, and handcuffed a 70-year old man who wasn't breaking the law.


Yeah, when they get a report like this:

An alert had been broadcast following a report of a man pointing a gun at passing traffic

...they should just stroll up and ask for his side of the story. No way that could end badly.

I'm all for calling out cops as dicks when they deserve it - I do it pretty often.
 
2012-11-07 01:31:46 PM

uncleacid: Didn't Mythbusters prove that hiding behind your car door during a gun fight is not a good idea?


I dont know if they did, but it is not a god idea. Car doors are made of an outer panel (usually metal, sometimes plastic or fiberglass, a reinforcing frame (usually metal, but thin, a window crank or motor & frame, and a plastic interior panel. Maybe a side impact beam. All in all in a best case scenario (side beam, window down) it might stop the average handgun round. However, in general its not very solid cover. If used in an emergency it should be abandoned in favor of something more solid very quickly.

Best use of a car for cover is to be on the opposite side from the shooter, keeping yourself low behind a wheel or the engine block.
 
2012-11-07 01:36:17 PM
KrispyKritter
you're right. it's true. cop car is a great deterrent. police park outside my house often, i can leave cold beer and cash outside my house and no one will touch it. 

Except for said cops, but then that could be worth it, depends on your neighbourhood I guess.
 
2012-11-07 01:40:07 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Resident Muslim: No, no, no.
They mistook it for a rail-gun or Uzi.

Unless they mistook it for a real gun. Then they are idiots.

Fully automatic Glock Ak-47


Don't you read the news? Every gun is a fully automatic Glock AK-47 with 2000 round clip.
 
2012-11-07 01:50:15 PM
Funny though, isn't it, how 911 doesn't get jammed with "man pointing gun" reports whenever a real cop is hiding in bushes with a radar gun? It's almost like people do know what a radar gun looks like, and don't waste anyone's time. Unless they're trying to get a neighbor in trouble, or executed, for perfectly legal activity?

If you're driving too fast to tell whether it's a real gun or a radar gun, you're just incriminating yourself for speeding. This just does not add up to a genuine case of concern for anyone's safety, which makes the drawing of real guns to be excessive force, and probably wouldn't have been apologized for if it hadn't made the news.

The cops will "mistake" any g-damn thing they like in order to justify pointing their little hand-held agony and death launchers. And the always get away with it. POW! Oops! Oh, that poor *cop*..... he must be feeling terrible right now. Punishment enough. Widow of the victim? Meh. She should be satisfied that an internal investigation determined there were no violations of policy.
 
2012-11-07 01:58:57 PM

areeves79: [realgutta.com image 480x360]


Came here for this.

/giggity
 
2012-11-07 02:09:28 PM
Just park your ass in a lawn chair and point an old hair dryer at passing cars... same effect.

/yelling at clouds optional
 
2012-11-07 02:10:24 PM
This almost seems like a non story. Probably the only reason it got wrote up is because it's rare that Madison cops draw their guns on anyone. As someone who has no love lost for jackbooted thugs who love their rules just a bit to much most Madison cops are consummate professionals. Good police and all that jazz.

FTFA- "The man politely asked what was going on, and the first officer said there had been reports of him pointing a gun at passing traffic," DeSpain said.

The second officer looked inside the car and saw the radar gun, an older model that still worked."

I could easily see those old bulky models being mistaken for some sort of weapon. And the police were justified drawing their guns on the assumption that some nut is about to start a shooting spree in this case. Basically what we have is an armed case of "Wisconsin nice."

Now the Capital police, a.k.a. Walker's Palace Guard, and cops from Fitchburg, Middleton, and McFarland are much more likely to harass the average citizen just because they are bored or a brown person made the mistake of crossing their path.
 
2012-11-07 02:13:14 PM

TheMysticS


cgraves67: I could totally see some of the old fogies in my neighborhood doing this. They retire and get bored, so they appoint themselves busybody neighborhood pocket dictator.

Yeah, me too. Called us on an hoa violation.
However, that man got shiat done.
Pothole? Fixed.
Street sign? Installed.
Snow? Plowed.

I miss him sometimes.


Maybe you shouldn't have killed him.
 
2012-11-07 02:17:53 PM
Man; ain't no hate like fark cop hate.

The cops got a call about a man pointing a gun at traffic. What are they supposed to do, walk up all nonchalant and ask the guy if he's just a concerned citizen? Unlike most jobs, cops have to be prepared for dangerous situations, and therefore get more latitude on assuming the worst. It's not like they whipped a grenade at the guy; they went in prepared.

/knows most farkers wouldn't call the cops if they saw a guy in a car with a possible gun, because they'd be too busy putting on their SWAT uniform and stocking up on flash-bangs.
//or calling in a tactical nuke
 
2012-11-07 02:24:54 PM
With my radar gun, radar gun.
I'm making money and I"m having fun.
Radar gun, radar gun.
With my brand new radar gun.
 
2012-11-07 02:30:28 PM

Dr. Baird: This almost seems like a non story. Probably the only reason it got wrote up is because it's rare that Madison cops draw their guns on anyone. As someone who has no love lost for jackbooted thugs who love their rules just a bit to much most Madison cops are consummate professionals. Good police and all that jazz.

FTFA- "The man politely asked what was going on, and the first officer said there had been reports of him pointing a gun at passing traffic," DeSpain said.

The second officer looked inside the car and saw the radar gun, an older model that still worked."

I could easily see those old bulky models being mistaken for some sort of weapon. And the police were justified drawing their guns on the assumption that some nut is about to start a shooting spree in this case. Basically what we have is an armed case of "Wisconsin nice."

Now the Capital police, a.k.a. Walker's Palace Guard, and cops from Fitchburg, Middleton, and McFarland are much more likely to harass the average citizen just because they are bored or a brown person made the mistake of crossing their path.


No. Just no. They have the same rules as citizens carrying. You don't draw unless you fear for your life or are witnessing a forcible felony. 

Some people in Virginia walk around open carrying just to elicit a police response to see if they respond properly.
 
2012-11-07 02:43:45 PM

Sultan Of Herf: uncleacid: Didn't Mythbusters prove that hiding behind your car door during a gun fight is not a good idea?

I dont know if they did, but it is not a god idea. Car doors are made of an outer panel (usually metal, sometimes plastic or fiberglass, a reinforcing frame (usually metal, but thin, a window crank or motor & frame, and a plastic interior panel. Maybe a side impact beam. All in all in a best case scenario (side beam, window down) it might stop the average handgun round. However, in general its not very solid cover. If used in an emergency it should be abandoned in favor of something more solid very quickly.

Best use of a car for cover is to be on the opposite side from the shooter, keeping yourself low behind a wheel or the engine block.


It's most definitely a BAD idea to hide behind a car door in a gun fight.

PROOF: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/thebuickotruth.htm

Read the various sections. Lots of pics too.
 
2012-11-07 02:45:36 PM

remus: Sultan Of Herf: uncleacid: Didn't Mythbusters prove that hiding behind your car door during a gun fight is not a good idea?

I dont know if they did, but it is not a god idea. Car doors are made of an outer panel (usually metal, sometimes plastic or fiberglass, a reinforcing frame (usually metal, but thin, a window crank or motor & frame, and a plastic interior panel. Maybe a side impact beam. All in all in a best case scenario (side beam, window down) it might stop the average handgun round. However, in general its not very solid cover. If used in an emergency it should be abandoned in favor of something more solid very quickly.

Best use of a car for cover is to be on the opposite side from the shooter, keeping yourself low behind a wheel or the engine block.

It's most definitely a BAD idea to hide behind a car door in a gun fight.

PROOF: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/thebuickotruth.htm

Read the various sections. Lots of pics too.


The Box of Truth: Buick of Truth 

Added the link, sorry!
 
2012-11-07 02:54:40 PM
In my district, we had a prominent older guy playing neighborhood watch in a back yard in his neighborhood. He had been walking his dog, and knew the back paths well, saw a home that he knew had a vacationing owner, but with the lights lit up. So he goes up to the bushes, in back around the house and stares at the woman inside (who is the sister of the absent homeowner, with permission rights to be there). Cops get called, police dog gets set on the now-rapidly-walking-away city elder guy, and story hits the paper the next day. It was funny. I know the guy, and I'm sure that alcohol was involved. More than once, I saw him react poorly to the grog's effects. He most likely learned a good lesson.
 
2012-11-07 03:34:12 PM
Never confuse concealment with cover.
 
2012-11-07 03:49:18 PM
www.the-bastard.com

Slow down, you damn, dirty speeders.
 
2012-11-07 03:53:01 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Resident Muslim: No, no, no.
They mistook it for a rail-gun or Uzi.

Unless they mistook it for a real gun. Then they are idiots.

Fully automatic Glock Ak-47


I wonder if you could mod an AK to shoot .45 GAP ammo...not that you would want to.
 
2012-11-07 03:54:40 PM
Surprised this has not been posted yet: Link
 
2012-11-07 03:58:56 PM
quizilla.teennick.com

Radar with dome.
 
2012-11-07 04:18:18 PM

Austinoftx: Funny though, isn't it, how 911 doesn't get jammed with "man pointing gun" reports whenever a real cop is hiding in bushes with a radar gun? It's almost like people do know what a radar gun looks like, and don't waste anyone's time. Unless they're trying to get a neighbor in trouble, or executed, for perfectly legal activity?

If you're driving too fast to tell whether it's a real gun or a radar gun, you're just incriminating yourself for speeding. This just does not add up to a genuine case of concern for anyone's safety, which makes the drawing of real guns to be excessive force, and probably wouldn't have been apologized for if it hadn't made the news.

The cops will "mistake" any g-damn thing they like in order to justify pointing their little hand-held agony and death launchers. And the always get away with it. POW! Oops! Oh, that poor *cop*..... he must be feeling terrible right now. Punishment enough. Widow of the victim? Meh. She should be satisfied that an internal investigation determined there were no violations of policy.


That is a very good point.
 
2012-11-07 04:32:46 PM

silverjets: Benjimin_Dover: So these cops don't know what a radar gun looks like? I call BS.

No, the passing motorists that reported it don't know what a radar gun looks like. The cops are simply responding to a call that someone is pointing a gun at people.


Really? They'd never seen police officers using a radar gun?
 
2012-11-07 04:48:09 PM

andyofne: Really? They'd never seen police officers using a radar gun?


Sigh... Idiot non-police officers called 911 reporting somebody was pointing a gun at traffic. At which point, given the delay for the responding cops to get there, the dude 'could' simply have had the firearm out of sight. Or swapped it with the radar version.

Thus the caution and the takedown.
 
2012-11-07 05:03:35 PM
My google-fu is weak today. I wanted to post the pic of Mac from Supertroopers radar gunning himself while masterbating.

I fail.
 
2012-11-07 05:08:23 PM
IMHO, on this one you really can't fault the cops.

Depending on the ossifers, you'll sometimes get this too when they look you up and see you've got a concealed carry permit, same issue.

If they don't know you personally, what would you expect them to do? I generally look out the window, see them doing the grim creep up the sides of the truck with their sidearms out and grin, then ask "What would make you more comfortable, my hands on the wheel or out the window? If you want, too, toss me your cuffs and I'll handcuff myself to the wheel", which in the two or three times it's come up, has put an end to the thing on the spot.

//Then, too, at the time my truck was sort of provocatively decorated for a gag, still can't blame them.
 
2012-11-07 05:09:16 PM

remus: Sultan Of Herf: uncleacid: Didn't Mythbusters prove that hiding behind your car door during a gun fight is not a good idea?

I dont know if they did, but it is not a god idea. Car doors are made of an outer panel (usually metal, sometimes plastic or fiberglass, a reinforcing frame (usually metal, but thin, a window crank or motor & frame, and a plastic interior panel. Maybe a side impact beam. All in all in a best case scenario (side beam, window down) it might stop the average handgun round. However, in general its not very solid cover. If used in an emergency it should be abandoned in favor of something more solid very quickly.

Best use of a car for cover is to be on the opposite side from the shooter, keeping yourself low behind a wheel or the engine block.

It's most definitely a BAD idea to hide behind a car door in a gun fight.

PROOF: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/thebuickotruth.htm

Read the various sections. Lots of pics too.


im pritty sure the new cop cars doors were tested or something, to withstand small arms fire.
 
2012-11-07 05:10:41 PM

uncleacid: Didn't Mythbusters prove that hiding behind your car door during a gun fight is not a good idea?


lol

remus: Best use of a car for cover is to be on the opposite side from the shooter, keeping yourself low behind a wheel or the engine block.


wheel or the engine block - what I was taught (MP); friend shot (at work so it's cool) a dude w/ a .40 through a door... dead as you can get but he dumped a clip and got 3 on target
 
2012-11-07 05:13:39 PM

F22raptom: remus: Sultan Of Herf: uncleacid: Didn't Mythbusters prove that hiding behind your car door during a gun fight is not a good idea?

I dont know if they did, but it is not a god idea. Car doors are made of an outer panel (usually metal, sometimes plastic or fiberglass, a reinforcing frame (usually metal, but thin, a window crank or motor & frame, and a plastic interior panel. Maybe a side impact beam. All in all in a best case scenario (side beam, window down) it might stop the average handgun round. However, in general its not very solid cover. If used in an emergency it should be abandoned in favor of something more solid very quickly.

Best use of a car for cover is to be on the opposite side from the shooter, keeping yourself low behind a wheel or the engine block.

It's most definitely a BAD idea to hide behind a car door in a gun fight.

PROOF: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/thebuickotruth.htm

Read the various sections. Lots of pics too.

im pritty sure the new cop cars doors were tested or something, to withstand small arms fire.


The new Ford police interceptor offers Kevlar-reinforced doors as an option. I am not aware of any other major makers who do... of course any door could be bullet-proofed after the fact, but I don't think many are.
 
2012-11-07 05:14:30 PM
Why do you people have so much Radar Love?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-07 05:16:51 PM
I knew a guy who would call 911 when he saw somebody on an overpass aiming what might have been a radar/laser gun or a real gun at traffic. The dispatcher always assumed it was a cop. Police may have checked on the situation, but they didn't go into full panic "let's play SWAT team and hope to shoot somebody" mode.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-07 05:23:37 PM
I've aimed radar and laser guns into traffic and never drew an armed response. A few cops looked at me funny. One decided to come over and annoy me, but there was quickly a real uniformed state trooper watching us both so he was just playing tough without any real ability to be tough.
 
2012-11-07 05:27:56 PM

URAPNIS: So when a motor cop points his radar gun at me, I can draw on him?
Should end well.


You are not allowed to depend your life against them. It's for your safety.
 
2012-11-07 05:57:45 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Fully automatic Glock Ak-47


Fully automatic Glock Ak-47 revolver, with extra clips AND magazines!
 
2012-11-07 06:47:34 PM
Where I used to live, the city would let you check out a radar gun and use it to flag speeders. You recorded their license plate and speed and sent it off and they sent form letters to the vehicle owner as part of an effort to slow down traffic. We tried it once and the record was a mom a minivan doing 56 mph (30 mph zone) who dove into the preschool one house down from us.

They probably had to discontinue that if radar guns are now considered real guns.
 
2012-11-07 07:03:15 PM
DNRTA

In Michigan a guy was just arrested for shooting motorists on the highway.

Would be a little freaked out too if a guy holding what appeared to be a gun and pointed it at me.
 
2012-11-07 07:05:31 PM

remus: Sultan Of Herf: uncleacid: Didn't Mythbusters prove that hiding behind your car door during a gun fight is not a good idea?

I dont know if they did, but it is not a god idea. Car doors are made of an outer panel (usually metal, sometimes plastic or fiberglass, a reinforcing frame (usually metal, but thin, a window crank or motor & frame, and a plastic interior panel. Maybe a side impact beam. All in all in a best case scenario (side beam, window down) it might stop the average handgun round. However, in general its not very solid cover. If used in an emergency it should be abandoned in favor of something more solid very quickly.

Best use of a car for cover is to be on the opposite side from the shooter, keeping yourself low behind a wheel or the engine block.

It's most definitely a BAD idea to hide behind a car door in a gun fight.

PROOF: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/thebuickotruth.htm

Read the various sections. Lots of pics too.


Standing out in the open and taking a shot is a much better idea then hiding behind a car door that may deflect or absorb some of the impact.
 
2012-11-07 07:27:04 PM
The guy deserved it. At least the cops were restrained.
 
2012-11-07 07:30:54 PM

edmo: Where I used to live, the city would let you check out a radar gun and use it to flag speeders. You recorded their license plate and speed and sent it off and they sent form letters to the vehicle owner as part of an effort to slow down traffic. We tried it once and the record was a mom a minivan doing 56 mph (30 mph zone) who dove into the preschool one house down from us.

They probably had to discontinue that if radar guns are now considered real guns.


A knife is a gun.
 
2012-11-07 07:37:34 PM

StoPPeRmobile: edmo: Where I used to live, the city would let you check out a radar gun and use it to flag speeders. You recorded their license plate and speed and sent it off and they sent form letters to the vehicle owner as part of an effort to slow down traffic. We tried it once and the record was a mom a minivan doing 56 mph (30 mph zone) who dove into the preschool one house down from us.

They probably had to discontinue that if radar guns are now considered real guns.

A knife is a gun.


What about a knife wrench?

images.wikia.com
 
2012-11-07 07:42:11 PM

andyofne: silverjets: Benjimin_Dover: So these cops don't know what a radar gun looks like? I call BS.

No, the passing motorists that reported it don't know what a radar gun looks like. The cops are simply responding to a call that someone is pointing a gun at people.

Really? They'd never seen police officers using a radar gun?


So let me get this straight...

1. A passing motorist sees me holding a cat and calls the cops to report somebody holding a gun.
2. Cops get on scene and see me holding a cat.
3. Cops draw weapons on me and take me down.
4. Profit?

I say BS. Once on scene, cops have to use observational powers and judgement to determine what is the proper course of action.

What should have happened...

1. A passing motorist sees me holding a cat and calls the cops to report somebody holding a gun.
2. Cops get on scene and see me holding a cat.
3. Cops go back to whatever donut shop they came from.
4. Profit.
 
2012-11-07 08:21:51 PM
Stoopid.
 
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