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(Cleveland Plain Dealer)   Quarterback Brandon Weeden gets the only vote today that matters to him   (cleveland.com) divider line 28
    More: Spiffy, Brandon Weeden, Pat Shurmur, Browns, vote of confidence, Trent Richardson, Phil Dawson, Ed Reed, bye week  
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2012-11-06 07:42:01 PM
You're doing a heckuva job, Brownie.
 
2012-11-06 09:11:54 PM
Eh, Doopypantz isn't too bad. I'm not gonna give up on him just yet. I'm less than impressed with the coaching, and it won't matter in a year because the new owner's going to clean house.
 
2012-11-06 09:19:14 PM
The Phils are fine
 
2012-11-06 09:23:13 PM
what future? the dood is like 28 years old.
 
2012-11-06 09:23:16 PM
From the GM who might not have a job after the regular season? That's some inspiration right there.

/On the other hand it's hard to get excited over Geno Smith or Matt Barkley.
//Might as well save the $10MM and keep Weeden around until something better comes along.
 
2012-11-06 09:27:41 PM
The big red machine has a cannon and I can't say I have been disappointed.

But I would like to keep colt and give him a shot at at the job during training camp.
 
2012-11-06 09:29:16 PM

RAWISRADFORD: The big red machine has a cannon and I can't say I have been disappointed.

But I would like to keep colt and give him a shot at at the job during training camp.


Whoops must have been thinking of Star Wars
 
2012-11-06 11:01:20 PM
It doesn't help that he's 28 but at least he still has some up-side as opposed to any alternative on their bench. They need to simplify the offense like the ravens did when Flacco was a rookie. Flacco did not have much at WR but he had Rice and McGahee and McLain at RB so they ran the ball and used the run to set up the pass. And it got them to the playoffs. With Richardson in the backfield and some inexperience on the O-line the Browns should try the same thing.
 
2012-11-06 11:08:34 PM
Ah, the dreaded vote of confidence. Well, it's nice knowing you, kid... uh, guy, I guess.
 
2012-11-07 12:02:32 AM

Ken VeryBigLiar: From the GM who might not have a job after the regular season? That's some inspiration right there.

/On the other hand it's hard to get excited over Geno Smith or Matt Barkley.
//Might as well save the $10MM and keep Weeden around until something better comes along.


Pat Shurmur is the Coach, Tom Heckert is the GM, and you are the dope who doesn't know the difference.
 
2012-11-07 12:04:12 AM

RAWISRADFORD: The big red machine has a cannon and I can't say I have been disappointed.

But I would like to keep colt and give him a shot at at the job during training camp.


I like Colt. He has the potential to be the next Ty Detmer. No way is he a starting QB in the NFL.
 
2012-11-07 01:26:41 AM
FTFA: "Part of Weeden's frustration stems from the fact that he's darned if he does and darned if he doesn't."

Well, gee, Cleveland media, that's what makes it so darned hard to hate ya. Yer just so danged nice all the danged time.

Weeden: "It's guys that bust their tail to get open, and I'm not able to give them a chance."

WELL WEEDEN IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE YOU'RE DARNED IF YOU DO AND DARNED IF YOU DON'T.

/dang it all to heck!
 
2012-11-07 02:27:46 AM

downtownkid: RAWISRADFORD: The big red machine has a cannon and I can't say I have been disappointed.

But I would like to keep colt and give him a shot at at the job during training camp.

I like Colt. He has the potential to be the next Ty Detmer. No way is he a starting QB in the NFL.


Very similar and agreed

It's not about colt being able to win the job - it's about Brandon having to work harder.

He is on a short timeline and unfortunately I have seen him make the same mistake twice - sure he is a rookie but you don't like seeing a rookie duplicate mistakes.

Brandon isn't dumb (like DA) but I think he relies on that arm too much - he needs the preparation dedication.

Back to colt - I would like to keep him - and for him to get a shot at the job in training camp.
 
2012-11-07 03:06:55 AM

Ken VeryBigLiar: From the GM who might not have a job after the regular season? That's some inspiration right there.

/On the other hand it's hard to get excited over Geno Smith or Matt Barkley.
//Might as well save the $10MM and keep Weeden around until something better comes along.


That's funny. That's just what I was advocating before this year's draft.
 
2012-11-07 03:07:30 AM

IlGreven: Ken VeryBigLiar: From the GM who might not have a job after the regular season? That's some inspiration right there.

/On the other hand it's hard to get excited over Geno Smith or Matt Barkley.
//Might as well save the $10MM and keep Weeden around until something better comes along.

That's funny. That's just what I was advocating before this year's draft.


Except, of course, it wasn't Weeden I was talking about.
 
2012-11-07 04:54:57 AM
Pat Shurmur is a bumbling fool. the browns have been in games and this idiot messes it up. wasted 3 time outs on slow play calls. fire him.
 
2012-11-07 09:16:32 AM
Weeden is 29, will be 30 next year with a new coach. Probably a new offense system, along with a new GM, front office, etc.

You are seeing the same thing in Weeden that you seen in Colt last year. With Shurmur stressing to not throw interceptions, the QBs will make the fiueld smaller with their check downs. This will result in less touchdowns but with Phil Dawson you'll typically get field goals. Shurmer is limited in what he can call because of the talent. The talent is limited because the are not given a chance to progress.

Basically, the new Browns owner bought a circling vortex of suck that Holmgren put together. Right now he might be wishing he had spent his billion dollars more wisely; on hookers and blow.
 
2012-11-07 10:09:36 AM
You browns fans crack me up. I think I'd be more concerned with the inability of the receivers to catch a ball than an older rookie qb who is on his way to being a solid nfl starter for the next couple years.

A good draft featuring wr's and d-backs would go far to help this organization in the future. jmho
 
2012-11-07 10:20:43 AM
I don't understand how a team can consistently get the good draft spots (usually #10 or lower) that the Browns have for the last 20 years or so, and suck so badly. Surely someone good should have been drafted by now? Is the front office that incompetent/tightfisted?
 
2012-11-07 10:59:09 AM

upndn: You browns fans crack me up. I think I'd be more concerned with the inability of the receivers to catch a ball than an older rookie qb who is on his way to being a solid nfl starter for the next couple years.

A good draft featuring wr's and d-backs would go far to help this organization in the future. jmho


No offense, but it sounds like you haven't seen much of the Browns. Joe Haden is one of the best corners in the league and Sheldon Brown has also graded out very high this season. CB is the least of their needs. They do need a safety as TJ Ward has not been able to keep up in pass coverage despite being strong against the run.

As far as receivers, they have a bunch of young talented guys who need a little time to develop. Josh Gordon is a potential star, Josh Cooper is a solid possession guy, Travis Benjamin is a speedy deep threat and Jordan Cameron is a big TE with good hands.

They have a lot of problems, but not the ones you mentioned.
 
2012-11-07 01:10:18 PM

McManus_brothers: I don't understand how a team can consistently get the good draft spots (usually #10 or lower) that the Browns have for the last 20 years or so, and suck so badly. Surely someone good should have been drafted by now? Is the front office that incompetent/tightfisted?


only 13 years!
 
2012-11-07 01:32:26 PM
I like Weeden... His last game was pretty hesitant though.... I don't think Shurmur is as bad as everyone says, but with each successive week, a look of worry gets deeper and deeper on his face... Im sure it doesn't exactly instill confidence in the players. Either start taking charge, or quit.
 
2012-11-07 02:01:45 PM
Weeden has problems with the 3 step drop pass patterns.

He does surprisingly well on 5 and 7 step drop passes (if his line can give him time)



/Steeler fan
//gotta know what your rivals are up to
 
2012-11-07 04:48:24 PM
upndn: You browns fans crack me up. I think I'd be more concerned with the inability of the receivers to catch a ball than an older rookie qb who is on his way to being a solid nfl starter for the next couple years.

I'm a free agent ex-Colts fan, so I've been watching a lot of the Browns because I liked Weeden at OKST. The Browns lead the league in dropped passes and in the parts of the game I watched on Sunday (thank Buddah for the Dish when a game sucks), there were at least 3 passes that should have been catches > runs for 20 yards or more but ended up being dropped. Yeah, his receivers have some talent, but they need to get it done NOW, not in game 14 next season.

There was a play in the Colts game were Weeden was about to get crushed at his own 45 and he fell back slightly and threw a perfect strike 55 yards in the air to the goal line, right in the receiver's hands, in stride and the effing stiff dropped it. How is that his fault?
 
2012-11-07 11:38:41 PM
Well, his NFL debut was a Jake-winning performance, he's already made in the shade with lemonade.
 
2012-11-08 02:45:04 AM

McManus_brothers: I don't understand how a team can consistently get the good draft spots (usually #10 or lower) that the Browns have for the last 20 years or so, and suck so badly. Surely someone good should have been drafted by now? Is the front office that incompetent/tightfisted?


Okay, since the new Browns will always be linked to the old Browns (now Ravens), it seems like the most apt comparison would be the two franchises' initial drafts. Subsequent seasons have followed a very similar pattern, anyway.

In 1996, the newly-minted Baltimore Ravens had two first-round picks: #4, and #26. With the first they picked Tackle Jonathan Ogden, who would go on to become a 12-time Pro Bowler & will likely be a Hall of Famer once eligible. The second was spent on Ray Lewis, who's done okay for himself as well. In both cases the players they picked went on to become the best at their respective positions from that draft class.

In 1999, the Cleveland Browns re-entered the NFL with the #1 overall pick, and chose...Tim Couch. Scanning through the rest of the top 10 picks that season, you see names like Donovan McNabb, Edgerrin James, Torry Holt, Champ Bailey, and Chris McAllister, along with Ricky Williams and David Boston.

The Ravens once again drew the #4 pick in 1997, and used it on Peter Boulware, a linebacker who went on to win Defensive Rookie of the Year honors & would eventually earn four Pro Bowl berths. The Browns also retained their #1 pick in 2000 and spent it on...defensive end Courtney Brown, passing on players such as Lavar Arrington, Jamal Lewis, and Brian Urlacher. In fact, of the Browns' top draft picks:

2001: DT Gerard Warren (#3 overall), most notably the only player drafted among the top 7 that season to never make a Pro Bowl.
2002: RB William Green (#16 overall). Baltimore selected Ed Reed at #24.
2003: C Jeff Faine (#21). Passed on Willis McGahee, Nnamdi Asomugha, and Charles Tilman, among others.
2004: TE Kellen Winslow II (#6). Their first top pick since re-entering the league to make a Pro Bowl. A Pro Bowl.
2005: WR Braylon Edwards (#3). Also named to one Pro Bowl team, a few less than Antrel Rolle, Shawne Merriman, and some dude named Aaron Rodgers, who were all picked later in the first.
2006: DE Kamerion Wimbley (#13). At least he's still in the league (with Oakland).
2007: QB Brady Quinn (#22). The next three players selected were Dwayne Bowe, Brandon Meriweather, and Jon Beason, who have a collective 6 Pro Bowls.
2008: LB Beau Bell, although this shouldn't really count as he was taken at #104 overall.
2009: C Alex Mack (#21). Still their starting center & has already made a Pro Bowl (2010), but most folks are more familiar with two guys picked in the next 5 spots: Percy Harvin and Clay Matthews.
2010: CB Joe Haden (#7), arguably their best #1 pick to date.
2011: DT Phil Taylor (#21). Had a strong rookie season but missed the first 8 games this year (I'm assuming injury?); recorded 1 tackle in week 9.
2012: Weeden. ????

tldr; the front office has been that incompetent, although things have looked better in the past few years.
 
2012-11-08 09:07:20 AM

Harv72b: 2008: LB Beau Bell, although this shouldn't really count as he was taken at #104 overall.


Dude is a beast in the AFL. But he had two knee injuries and was slowed up his rookie season, and if you're a later-round pick, no one waits for you to get better.
 
2012-11-08 12:39:44 PM

IAmRight: Dude is a beast in the AFL. But he had two knee injuries and was slowed up his rookie season, and if you're a later-round pick, no one waits for you to get better.


Yeah, and regardless of injuries & whatnot any player taken on the second day of the draft is basically a project that you hope will contribute down the road, but who probably won't. With Cleveland, it's just been their consistent string of first-round flops that have done the franchise in. Most teams can go back 30 years or more and not find as many busts as the Browns have racked up in a little over a decade.
 
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