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2012-11-07 03:24:03 AM
I just hope we see federal decriminalization on Obama's second term agenda. First term he was worse than W on marijuana policy, which is shameful. Google "Barry and the Choom Gang."

I begrudgingly voted for him again, mostly because Mittens is crazy and the third party options amount to a wasted vote.

But if he doesn't do this, throw one down for the homies in his second term when he's got nothing to lose and the House (if I'm reading the results right) in Democratic control...he's a true asshole.

/mixed feelings, but overall good
//AND YES I SMOKE POT
 
2012-11-07 03:27:55 AM

tomcatadam: I'm not sure how the US system works, but doesn't this aren't any salesmen and/or consumers of marijuana vulnerable to arrest and prosecution by the fed?


I'm not aware of any drug enforcement responsiblities of the Federal Reserve, which is what "The Fed" often means in American. . .oh fark it. . . .


Sure, that's what it means, but the American system is also one of Federalism, and constitutionally, the Federal government shouldn't be able to stop a state from doing that sort of thing. What is likely, is that this will be sent to the Supreme Court, and it's possible prohibition will be found unconstitutional, just as Alchohol prohibition was.

Still: I wouldn't consider this sort of thing in the clear enough to go running toward a bong right now, but for any freedom minded individual in the USA, this is actually quite a positive thing.
 
2012-11-07 03:50:13 AM
Many times in my life I've seen ballot initiatives for legalization. Each one I voted for, knowing it didn't stand a chance. I've had plenty of discussions about the possibility of legalization. "Not in my lifetime", most of us said. Even though I was usually the biggest stoner out of everyone there, I still explained why there are so many obstacles to legalization, and that it's a long way off. "But the people will vote for it" they said. "But what about driving under the influence, doesn't there need to be an accurate test? There isn't one yet." I said. And then "But what about drug testing in the workplace? Won't that be a clusterfark?". On and on I came up with rational reasons why it just would be too hard to do. But then the people voted.

Ultimately I realized that everything comes from the people first. If we as a people say it is, then it is. We adjust to the rest. We'll find solutions, like we always do. Not optimal, but satisfactory. Life's all about compromise. And wearing a helmet. I love this country, for better or worse.
 
2012-11-07 03:52:04 AM

unlikely: I'm in Colorado, we have it on the ballot here.

I voted yes, let's legalize.

I doubt it will pass.


This crow is the best I've ever had. You like? ;)

/doubted, voted yes
//still in shock
///woot?
 
2012-11-07 04:39:10 AM
So how does legalization work in either Colorado or Washington?

Can I grow my own? I assume this would be yes.
Can I buy at the store? Which stores are carrying it?
Is it regulated like a prescription medicine? Is it available OTC?
Is it available at gas stations and convenience stores?
What happens to Joe Drug Dealer on the corner? Does he stay in business? Is he still the main source for marijuana?

I can't imagine there will be any large-scale manufacturers like RJR coming in to start mass producing this stuff. There's still the federal problem there. So how will MJ be made available now?
 
2012-11-07 04:47:46 AM
The initiative had to win a court battle to get on the ballot here in AR. I expected it would fail, which it did, but I was amazed at how much support there was for it. The initiative failed 51% to 49%.

/head asplode
 
2012-11-07 04:59:20 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: So how does legalization work in either Colorado or Washington?

Can I grow my own? I assume this would be yes.
Can I buy at the store? Which stores are carrying it?
Is it regulated like a prescription medicine? Is it available OTC?
Is it available at gas stations and convenience stores?
What happens to Joe Drug Dealer on the corner? Does he stay in business? Is he still the main source for marijuana?

I can't imagine there will be any large-scale manufacturers like RJR coming in to start mass producing this stuff. There's still the federal problem there. So how will MJ be made available now?


I would imagine the short term, if these measures actually stick, is they stop arresting people for it while they work out the logistics and people will continue to get it the same way they always have. Then once they have established distribution methods they switch over to distribution rules similar to alcohol. You can still grow your own, but you need a license to sell to others.
 
2012-11-07 05:34:45 AM
What I wonders is how long till the 'don't toke and drive' public safety ads start?
 
2012-11-07 08:11:59 AM
If Obama really wants to increase revenue to the US Treasury and not just punish a certain demographic, he'd legalize weed and tax it like tobacco.
 
2012-11-07 08:22:49 AM
oregon didn't pass and washington did? wtf? vancouvers gonna be boomin.
 
2012-11-07 02:01:46 PM

germ78: Washington looks good. Oregon choked on the smoke of their toke.


Would you say that they volcanoed?

Or should that be a Mount Hood reference?
 
2012-11-07 06:59:11 PM

glassgnome: Laughing my ass off now that we have legal weed here in the good ol CO. I'm going to put a sale on my vapes in honor of this momentous occasion!


WHAR PHOTOS, WHAR?

/seriously
//interested
 
2012-11-07 07:49:55 PM

gobstopping: tomcatadam: I'm not sure how the US system works, but doesn't this aren't any salesmen and/or consumers of marijuana vulnerable to arrest and prosecution by the fed?

I'm not aware of any drug enforcement responsiblities of the Federal Reserve, which is what "The Fed" often means in American. . .oh fark it. . . .


Sure, that's what it means, but the American system is also one of Federalism, and constitutionally, the Federal government shouldn't be able to stop a state from doing that sort of thing. What is likely, is that this will be sent to the Supreme Court, and it's possible prohibition will be found unconstitutional, just as Alchohol prohibition was.

Still: I wouldn't consider this sort of thing in the clear enough to go running toward a bong right now, but for any freedom minded individual in the USA, this is actually quite a positive thing.


Two minor notes:

a) Prohibition on a national level (for alcohol) was actually the result of a Constitutional amendment promoted by what can be described as a proto-dominionist movement (the same groups pushing Prohibition were also pushing for a DOMA (of almost identical wording to anti-LGBT DOMAs nowadays) targeting polygamist Mormons and pushing for a "Christian Nation Amendment" officially declaring Protestant Christianity the established state religion; Catholics and other "Liturgical Traditionalist" Christian groups were among the biggest fighters against this as both their religion AND an essential portion of their liturgical rituals were being targeted).

b) Prohibition, alas, has never been ruled unconstitutional. Local option (including frank prohibition of alcohol) is still alive and well, and there are several states throughout the Southeast (including Kentucky, Arkansas, and Texas) in which Prohibition never legally ended in fully half the counties in those states. (Mississippi actually had statewide prohibition still in effect until 1966 when it was overturned in a statewide vote.)

To my knowledge, there has never been any successful legal challenge to local option (including frank prohibition in dry counties, in Mississippi before 1966, or on First Nations reserves that have prohibited alcohol) on a federal level, and even the attempts to challenge the constitutionality of the 18th Amendment when it was in effect were rejected by the Supreme Court (and later court precedences during Prohibition pretty much set up the legal framework for some of the more blatant violations of rights in the name of the War On Some Drugs including warrantless searches and wiretaps as well as restrictions on medicinal use of alcohol remarkably similar to Federal restrictions on medicinal use of marijuana and THC).

The reason local option has never been challenged is that there may not be anyone with a legal standing to do so, and (to guarantee passage in pro-Prohibition states) the 21st Amendment explicitly included local option so that states and counties who wished to continue prohibition could do so; just about every legal challenge to local option has fallen flat because of this (including First Amendment arguments raised by people using alcohol in liturgical services and by warehousers advertising alcohol prices; Fourteenth Amendment arguments; and attempts under the Commerce Clause to overturn local option). At most, any challenges have simply led to regulations being required to be followed across a state or equally to in-state and out-of-state sellers). This is one of those issues where it would probably literally take a Constitutional amendment to fix (removing local option as an option).

So even if federal-level legalisation happens...if marijuana sales were to come under the purview of the state ATF (similar to what just passed in Colorado and Washington--basically their licensing department will also license stores able to legally sell Purple Kush bud in addition to Budweiser) there will still be the ability to locally ban the sale in those states that still have local option.

/frankly would be all over a Constitutional amendment removing local option (and thus the last legal vestiges of Prohibition)
//expects I will be dead or at least very old before MJ becomes legal in KY--our laws were so strict at one point that POSSESSING HEMP ROPE WAS TECHNICALLY A FELONY (no, they did NOT specify WHICH species of Cannabis but covered all species--this actually DID manage to get overturned)
///Colorado, however, just became a VERY attractive tourist destination despite Colorado Springs' little dominionist problem
 
2012-11-08 12:28:01 PM
So, we won?
 
2012-11-08 01:10:02 PM

Hector Remarkable: So, we won?


Wow man, it's been days!

What were you on?
 
2012-11-08 02:57:37 PM

Leeds: Hector Remarkable: So, we won?

Wow man, it's been days!

What were you on?


So......we won?
 
2012-11-08 08:41:39 PM

joonyer: unlikely: I'm in Colorado, we have it on the ballot here.

I voted yes, let's legalize.

I doubt it will pass.

This crow is the best I've ever had. You like? ;)

/doubted, voted yes
//still in shock
///woot?


Cool to have been wrong. :-)
 
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