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(SFGate)   The fix is in for Ohio - Judge denies lawsuit concerning last minute software patches   (sfgate.com) divider line 58
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2012-11-06 03:45:03 PM  
"Such a last minute ruling would unnecessarily thwart the smooth operation of the election and result in inevitable delay and confusion for election officials and the public," assistant Ohio attorney general Richard Coglianese said in a court filing Tuesday.

The judge could have said, "I'm all for delay, if the process leads to an accurate tally and reporting of the electorate's votes." I guess we know where his priorities lie.

Husted needs time to sit and think about his motivation to have neglected to have a validated process in place. I suggest prison.
 
2012-11-06 03:53:29 PM  
A Husted spokesman on Monday called the lawsuit "ridiculous," saying the software allows faster transmission of results from county election boards to the reporting system after polls close. Spokesman Matt McClellan said it has nothing to do with voting machines, only the results that are tabulated afterward.


Stalin would approve.
 
2012-11-06 03:58:45 PM  
To fix this system, first we should implement strict Voter ID laws and then look into these trivial concerns about final vote tabulation mechanisms.
 
2012-11-06 04:00:32 PM  
You know what doesn't require software patches?

Paper ballots.
 
2012-11-06 04:05:38 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: A Husted spokesman on Monday called the lawsuit "ridiculous," saying the software allows faster transmission of results from county election boards to the reporting system after polls close


Bullshat.

We're streaming HD movies in real-time in 2012. Don't tell me we need last minute network optimization on voting machines.
 
2012-11-06 04:24:03 PM  

impaler: Bullshat.


Cut them some slack. Nobody could have known that November 6 was coming up so quickly.
 
2012-11-06 04:59:49 PM  
Hanging chads will hang.
 
2012-11-06 05:01:33 PM  
As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?
 
2012-11-06 05:03:10 PM  

Aarontology: Heh.


Brohoof?
 
2012-11-06 05:03:17 PM  

Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?


Because contractors are stupid and programmers over-program in order to cover their asses.

As a Democrat, I refuse to get caught up in the same voter fraud conspiracy theories that the right wing has.
 
2012-11-06 05:05:06 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Aarontology: Heh.

Brohoof?


brohoof
 
2012-11-06 05:09:44 PM  
 
2012-11-06 05:15:26 PM  
 
2012-11-06 05:18:23 PM  
The Judge is a Bush appointee, I just checked.
 
2012-11-06 05:20:54 PM  
Oh hey guys! What's going on in this thr ....

thoughtcatalogcom.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-06 05:23:59 PM  
I hear the patches were uploaded by these people--from something called "Division"...

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-11-06 05:25:54 PM  
watchdog.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com 

The helicopters will be white, contrary to the rumors you may have heard.
 
2012-11-06 05:27:39 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Link


Thanks. It seems Joe Hall knows quite a lot about making sure voters find their correct polling place. Good for him.

Here are a few statements that fail the sniff test, here's one.

Maria: Why do you think we haven't been able to solve these problems, given that we've had years in which to do so?

Joe: Two reasons: 1) no one cares about it until presidential election years, and mostly right before that election; and, 2) there is no regular source of federal funding for elections (when it comes to a state or local government choosing between spending money to fill potholes-which affect people every day-or making elections better, they will fill the potholes).


There has been $3.9 billion in federal funding committed to upgrading the nation's election equipment since Gore vs Bush

Here's another.

Maria: One last question, is there anything that you'd recommend voters should look out for in the way of irregularities? And is the phone number you tweeted this morning (866 OUR VOTE) the best place to report irregularities all over the country, or are there different places to report different irregularities?

Joe: The number-one recommendation I can make is make sure voters "check their work"; that is, if you're voting on a voting machine, it will usually summarize your selections on a final screen before you cast your vote (and if there is a paper trail-a printer on the side, be sure to carefully make sure it prints your choices correctly).


Several states passed legislation requiring some form of voter verified paper audit (VVPAT) system. On election day in May 2006, Cuyahoga County, Ohio, conducted the first major test. It was a disaster. Twenty percent of the printers malfunctioned. Precinct volunteers were not trained to fix them. Voters didn't understand how they worked. They were supposed to confirm their votes on paper before they submitted them, but according to field observations in later trials, most did not.
 
2012-11-06 06:10:08 PM  

Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?


Looks like someone doesn't understand software.

No hero tag?
 
2012-11-06 06:12:38 PM  
Remember folks! If its not worth killing somebody over then its not worth sweating over. Enjoy your new Mormon overlord, not much you can do to stop it, so just lay back and try to enjoy it.
 
2012-11-06 06:14:56 PM  
I can't wait until the stores have the helmet-grade aluminum foil marked half off post-election. I'm going to roll out a big reflective F U! on my property for the next time the google maps satellite comes by.
 
2012-11-06 06:15:35 PM  

Rincewind53: Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?

Because contractors are stupid and programmers over-program in order to cover their asses.

As a Democrat, I refuse to get caught up in the same voter fraud conspiracy theories that the right wing has.


No DBA would ever, EVER voluntarily create a Read / Write database account for "reporting" purposes. At least not if he cared about the integrity of the data. You can query a database and report the results without needing to write ANYTHING.

I sincerely hope that is hear-say and there is in fact no additional accounts with read/write access to the database containing the final vote tally.
 
2012-11-06 06:15:50 PM  
Why are we using programmable computers for voting? Casting votes doesn't require anything fancy.
 
2012-11-06 06:16:11 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?

Looks like someone doesn't understand software.

No hero tag?


Why would there be a hero tag? This is a system that tabulates a paer hard copy. If they try to queer the election, they can be caught with a recount - so even if you regard stealing the election for the GOP to be a noble cause - no heroes here.
 
2012-11-06 06:16:46 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?

Looks like someone doesn't understand software.


Please elaborate.
 
2012-11-06 06:18:46 PM  

Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?


To write to the database. Duh.
 
2012-11-06 06:19:57 PM  
If Obama loses Ohio, and therefore the election, this judge may find out what "smooth operation" does, and does not, mean.
 
2012-11-06 06:22:54 PM  

Aarontology: You know what doesn't require software patches?

Paper ballots.


It requires a number 2 though.

Which, if you know your history, is just a bunch of shiat
 
2012-11-06 06:23:55 PM  
Why yes, the judge is a G. W. Bush appointee. How did I ever guess that?
 
2012-11-06 06:24:38 PM  

MrEricSir: Why are we using programmable computers for voting? Casting votes doesn't require anything fancy.


Basically paper or mud and we have been using them for thousands of years.

Sumeria:
www.spacetoday.org

Greece:
chnm.gmu.edu
 
2012-11-06 06:27:54 PM  

MrEricSir: Why are we using programmable computers for voting? Casting votes doesn't require anything fancy.


Technically, it has to be somewhat programmable. Each precinct could conceivably have a different set of votable items. In my neighborhood, I don't get to vote on some issues that someone living just five blocks away. So the voting machines have to know what they're counting. Still, I think making it adaptable to each individual precinct should not be so difficult.
 
2012-11-06 06:30:39 PM  

Impasse: tenpoundsofcheese: Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?

Looks like someone doesn't understand software.

Please elaborate.


I've been developing software for 10 years and you're right ... there is no earthly reason why any tabulation software would "need" write access to the database. Unless the software is crappy, and separation of concerns were never addressed, in which case a sloppy programmer may have just wrote the tabulation results to another table in the same database that the individual ballot entries are stored.

And INTELLIGENT architecture would keep the base level (individual votes) records in one database and only give write access to the application that enters the votes so that the integrity of the data (as far as tampering after the fact) wouldn't be in question, and then have a SEPARATE database that the tabulation software would aggregate the source data into.

That way you could verify the source data's integrity with a checksum or a file modified data time to make sure nothing was written to it after voting ended, and if there were an error in the tabulation, you could fix it and re-run it over and over without the risk of violating the integrity of the votes.

tenpoundsofcheese is a dispicable troll and has no idea what he's talking about (in anything, ever, not just in this case). You're question is spot on.
 
2012-11-06 06:33:25 PM  

spiderpaz: tenpoundsofcheese is a dispicable troll and has no idea what he's talking about (in anything, ever, not just in this case).


Sometimes on Fark you need to read all of a post to get to honest truth.
 
2012-11-06 06:41:20 PM  
Not using the software would require election boards "to develop, communicate, and implement a new policy and procedures for collecting and reporting the votes in the middle of an election," state attorneys said.

Then why did you wait until THE LAST F*CKING MINUTE???
 
2012-11-06 06:46:38 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?

Looks like someone doesn't understand software.

No hero tag?


It's a long watch (50 minutes) but if you really give a damn, you'd watch this republican network security expert
explain it in layman's terms.....

Just remember, this patch is intended to facilitate communications from County to State in Comma separated plain text

Just this once, please..drop the Fark partisan hackery

Self Described Republican, industry recognized Network Security Expert Stephen Spoonamore on E-Voting and Ohio
 
2012-11-06 06:48:41 PM  

Impasse: tenpoundsofcheese: Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?

Looks like someone doesn't understand software.

Please elaborate.


Go find out what is stored in the database besides just the results.
Duh.
 
2012-11-06 06:52:09 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?

Looks like someone doesn't understand software.



OK Troll I'll bite. Based on my current job and lifetime experience there are really only 2 reasons why a developer would need to have write permissions to a database for 'patching' it's reporting software.

So, please, elaborate.

(Protip: this it he part where you disappear like a fart in the wind)
 
2012-11-06 06:53:23 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Go find out what is stored in the database besides just the results.
Duh.




OK, just what i thought.

finally adds you to ignore list.
 
2012-11-06 06:54:24 PM  

spiderpaz: Impasse: tenpoundsofcheese: Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?

Looks like someone doesn't understand software.

Please elaborate.

I've been developing software for 10 years and you're right ... there is no earthly reason why any tabulation software would "need" write access to the database. Unless the software is crappy, and separation of concerns were never addressed, in which case a sloppy programmer may have just wrote the tabulation results to another table in the same database that the individual ballot entries are stored.

And INTELLIGENT architecture would keep the base level (individual votes) records in one database and only give write access to the application that enters the votes so that the integrity of the data (as far as tampering after the fact) wouldn't be in question, and then have a SEPARATE database that the tabulation software would aggregate the source data into.

That way you could verify the source data's integrity with a checksum or a file modified data time to make sure nothing was written to it after voting ended, and if there were an error in the tabulation, you could fix it and re-run it over and over without the risk of violating the integrity of the votes.

.


It is so cute that you are an internet DBA who thinks they know how the actual database is structured.
You are very special.

Bonus, you described a scenario in which write access would be done and you call me a troll?
 
2012-11-06 06:54:33 PM  

Bag of Hammers: tenpoundsofcheese: Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?

Looks like someone doesn't understand software.



OK Troll I'll bite. Based on my current job and lifetime experience there are really only 2 reasons why a developer would need to have write permissions to a database for 'patching' it's reporting software.

So, please, elaborate.

(Protip: this it he part where you disappear like a fart in the wind)


I hope to God he/she's watching that video I linked to above and is too busy learning a thing or two to respond.
 
2012-11-06 06:56:32 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: spiderpaz: Impasse: tenpoundsofcheese: Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?

Looks like someone doesn't understand software.

Please elaborate.

I've been developing software for 10 years and you're right ... there is no earthly reason why any tabulation software would "need" write access to the database. Unless the software is crappy, and separation of concerns were never addressed, in which case a sloppy programmer may have just wrote the tabulation results to another table in the same database that the individual ballot entries are stored.

And INTELLIGENT architecture would keep the base level (individual votes) records in one database and only give write access to the application that enters the votes so that the integrity of the data (as far as tampering after the fact) wouldn't be in question, and then have a SEPARATE database that the tabulation software would aggregate the source data into.

That way you could verify the source data's integrity with a checksum or a file modified data time to make sure nothing was written to it after voting ended, and if there were an error in the tabulation, you could fix it and re-run it over and over without the risk of violating the integrity of the votes.

.

It is so cute that you are an internet DBA who thinks they know how the actual database is structured.
You are very special.

Bonus, you described a scenario in which write access would be done and you call me a troll?


Jesus help us, so much derp and so much denial....you tool

30+ years in IT and decades in network engineering, transmitting PLAIN TEXT across a network is


ASKING FOR A HACK

You farking tool
 
2012-11-06 06:56:54 PM  

X-boxershorts: Bag of Hammers: tenpoundsofcheese: Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?

Looks like someone doesn't understand software.



OK Troll I'll bite. Based on my current job and lifetime experience there are really only 2 reasons why a developer would need to have write permissions to a database for 'patching' it's reporting software.

So, please, elaborate.

(Protip: this it he part where you disappear like a fart in the wind)

I hope to God he/she's watching that video I linked to above and is too busy learning a thing or two to respond.


Yes, I actually AM watching that video.
 
2012-11-06 06:57:31 PM  

X-boxershorts: 30+ years in IT and decades in network engineering, transmitting PLAIN TEXT across a network is


18 years here.
 
2012-11-06 06:59:10 PM  

Shadow Blasko: X-boxershorts: 30+ years in IT and decades in network engineering, transmitting PLAIN TEXT across a network is

18 years here.


You and I....

We're the choir
 
2012-11-06 07:02:56 PM  

Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?


Because over-clever morons that can write code continue to do stupid shiat like "log to the database."

I fire anyone that proposes that to me.
 
2012-11-06 07:04:02 PM  

Rent Party: Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?

Because over-clever morons that can write code continue to do stupid shiat like "log to the database."

I fire anyone that proposes that to me.


As well you should.

/Good job.
 
2012-11-06 07:08:23 PM  
Probably the most entertaining that will come out of the software patch is that every district in which it took place will have strangely voted 100% for Romney. And then we'll get to listen about how Nate Silver was clearly a shill because his liberal system didn't see this happen, and not about the statistical possibility of millions of people all voting for the exact same candidate.
 
2012-11-06 07:11:02 PM  

X-boxershorts: tenpoundsofcheese: spiderpaz: Impasse: tenpoundsofcheese: Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?

Looks like someone doesn't understand software.

Please elaborate.

I've been developing software for 10 years and you're right ... there is no earthly reason why any tabulation software would "need" write access to the database. Unless the software is crappy, and separation of concerns were never addressed, in which case a sloppy programmer may have just wrote the tabulation results to another table in the same database that the individual ballot entries are stored.

And INTELLIGENT architecture would keep the base level (individual votes) records in one database and only give write access to the application that enters the votes so that the integrity of the data (as far as tampering after the fact) wouldn't be in question, and then have a SEPARATE database that the tabulation software would aggregate the source data into.

That way you could verify the source data's integrity with a checksum or a file modified data time to make sure nothing was written to it after voting ended, and if there were an error in the tabulation, you could fix it and re-run it over and over without the risk of violating the integrity of the votes.

.

It is so cute that you are an internet DBA who thinks they know how the actual database is structured.
You are very special.

Bonus, you described a scenario in which write access would be done and you call me a troll?

Jesus help us, so much derp and so much denial....you tool

30+ years in IT and decades in network engineering, transmitting PLAIN TEXT across a network is


ASKING FOR A HACK

You farking tool


oh stop it. I am not in denial about anything.
I didn't say they followed great programming/db/network techniques.

The question was asked why would someone write to a db.

You, and others, gave examples where someone might write to a db because they did not do their job well.

(vs. halliburton and stolen elections and tin foil hat theories).
 
2012-11-06 07:13:31 PM  

Bag of Hammers: tenpoundsofcheese: Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?

Looks like someone doesn't understand software.



OK Troll I'll bite. Based on my current job and lifetime experience there are really only 2 reasons why a developer would need to have write permissions to a database for 'patching' it's reporting software.

So, please, elaborate.

(Protip: this it he part where you disappear like a fart in the wind)


No, there is a 3rd reason.

Bad technique.

Get over it. Or do you think, based on your extensive experience, that everyone writes good code? Is that what you are arguing?
 
2012-11-06 07:18:05 PM  

Rent Party: Shadow Blasko: As someone smarter than I said yesterday...

Why the hell does a software patch that is supposed to report results need write access to the database?

Because over-clever morons that can write code continue to do stupid shiat like "log to the database."



whoa, careful.
there are some internet dba here with vast experience who claim that would never happen. so, according to them, you must be a troll
 
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