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2012-11-06 12:50:30 PM

inglixthemad: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Why is this only Chrysler workers?

Because in our Representative Democracy, in which we repeatedly say voting is so important, it's not a National Holiday.

Imagine how much quicker this would be over if the public didn't have to work today (or more than 4 hours, in the case of Emergency Services, or fuel stations, et al.)


seriously.

Voter turnout would be down to 5 percent. The rest would be taking a long weekend to the shore. Wealthier folks would be on the Mediterranean while thier people voted for them.

That would make for a very quick election and count.

BRILLIANT
 
2012-11-06 12:54:19 PM

SuperT: seriously, lets make sat-sun-mon-election tues the 'voting days' with tuesday being a national holiday to celebrate our voting.

I think the only people who will come out against it are those afraid of voter turnout. usually the derpiest of the derp.


If voting day were a Holiday, and a three-day weekend to boot, voter turn-out would plummet, or, at the very least, early/absentee voting would soar as people tend to take advantage fo three-day weekends to travel or do something fun
 
2012-11-06 12:54:24 PM
Why aren't all you people out suppressing the vote?
 
2012-11-06 12:55:28 PM
Pretty sure all UAW employees are off today, as it has been the tradition for years. My drive to the House of GM was remarkably smooth this morning and Lot C is empty.
 
2012-11-06 12:56:36 PM

mrshowrules: If you made election day a holiday, it would actually reduce turn-out because people would make other plans altogether. Get your poll lines up to under 2 hours and make it law that people need 3 hours off from work (if necessary) while pulls are open. If polls close at 7PM and you work until 5PM, you get to leave at 4PM as an example. If the polls close at 8PM, you leave at your scheduled time.


Your ideas are horrible and nonsensical.
 
2012-11-06 12:57:01 PM
Now THAT is how you truly get your workers to vote...

Koch brothers, take some notes.
 
2012-11-06 01:03:57 PM
I don't like the idea of a national holiday for voting. Too many holes people can fall into. Instead, voting should be open for an entire week or longer, so people can vote at their leisure
 
2012-11-06 01:05:47 PM

Nadie_AZ: Tue


Here, let me google that for you:

By federal law since 1792, the U.S. Congress permitted the states to conduct their presidential elections (or otherwise to choose their electors) any time in a 34-day period[1] before the first Wednesday of December, which was the day set for the meeting of the electors of the U.S. president and vice-president (the Electoral College), in their respective states.[2] An election date in November was seen as useful because the harvest would have been completed (important in an agrarian society) and the winter-like storms would not yet have begun in earnest (a plus in the days before paved roads and snowplows). However, in this arrangement the states that voted later could be influenced by a candidate's victories in the states that voted earlier, a problem later exacerbated by improved communications via train and telegraph. In close elections, the states that voted last might well determine the outcome.[3]

A uniform date for choosing presidential electors was instituted by the Congress in 1845.[4] Many theories have been advanced as to why the Congress settled on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November.[5] The actual reasons, as shown in records of Congressional debate on the bill in December 1844, were fairly prosaic. The bill initially set the national day for choosing presidential electors on "the first Tuesday in November," in years divisible by four (1848, 1852, etc.). But it was pointed out that in some years the period between the first Tuesday in November and the first Wednesday in December (when the electors met in their state capitals to vote) would be more than 34 days, in violation of the existing Electoral College law. So, the bill was amended to move the national date for choosing presidential electors forward to the Tuesday after the first Monday in November, a date scheme already used in the state of New York.[6]

In 1845, the United States was largely an agrarian society. Farmers often needed a full day to travel by horse-drawn vehicles to the county seat to vote. Tuesday was established as election day because it did not interfere with the Biblical Sabbath or with market day, which was on Wednesday in many towns.[7]
 
2012-11-06 01:07:03 PM
well, I have no idea why that happened as preview looked ok. Anyway. I accidentally the whole thing.
 
2012-11-06 01:08:07 PM
Not sure if anyone's mentioned it yet, but "the big 3" typically all do this. I know Ford is off today as well.
 
2012-11-06 01:08:41 PM

cannotsuggestaname: Here, let me google that for you:


Thank you, good man.
 
2012-11-06 01:10:51 PM
Why not make absentee ballot without an "excuse" an option nationally? Why do you have to be out of the county if you want to vote absentee? Doing absentee as an option for everyone will ensure that people don't have to stand in long lines in the cold and can sit down to vote when it's convenient for them to do so. Physical drop off of ballot or mailing in the ballot should both be acceptable means to vote.
 
2012-11-06 01:13:14 PM

Lost Thought 00: I don't like the idea of a national holiday for voting. Too many holes people can fall into. Instead, voting should be open for an entire week or longer, so people can vote at their leisure


Well, we do have absentee voting and early voting here in Boise going on for a couple of weeks now. Today is only the deadline to vote. I voted a week and a half ago.
 
2012-11-06 01:14:21 PM
That's awesome, it really does need to be implemented that we all have a national holiday, the day off to vote.

My own company says just go vote, and whatever time you spend today voting will not be docked. But please come back.

/early voter
 
2012-11-06 01:14:51 PM
Romney has an answer to this. He just has to give all the American Employees of Bain Capital's acquired companies the day off.

.....oh.
 
2012-11-06 01:15:41 PM
Well, Romney just lost Michigan.
 
2012-11-06 01:16:26 PM

ohokyeah: Why not make absentee ballot without an "excuse" an option nationally? Why do you have to be out of the county if you want to vote absentee? Doing absentee as an option for everyone will ensure that people don't have to stand in long lines in the cold and can sit down to vote when it's convenient for them to do so. Physical drop off of ballot or mailing in the ballot should both be acceptable means to vote.


NC allows anyone to absentee vote by mail. You just have to have a witness sign it. I did it for a number of years when I had a bone disease in my leg and couldn't go stand in a line for hours at a time.
 
2012-11-06 01:16:47 PM

c-ment: Well, Romney just lost Michigan.


Did he look at the top of the map? It was there this morning.
 
2012-11-06 01:20:25 PM

r1chard3: FlashHarry: oh snap!

Came to say this.

And yeah, why isn't voting day a holiday. Or why don't they have polling places at work?


In Canada, your employer must ensure that you have at least 3 hours free to get to the polling station and vote (though this takes into account when the polling stations are open.....ie if you work 9am to 5pm and the polling station is open until 7pm, the boss has to let you go at 4pm....if the station is open until 8pm, then the boss don't have to let you go).

Of course in the system you have down there, that would barely be enough time, it would seem. I couldn't imagine taking more than 20 minutes to vote (and that includes walking to the polling station)
 
2012-11-06 01:20:39 PM

c-ment: Well, Romney just lost Michigan.


Romney never had Michigan
 
2012-11-06 01:21:02 PM

Beeblebrox: Lost Thought 00: I don't like the idea of a national holiday for voting. Too many holes people can fall into. Instead, voting should be open for an entire week or longer, so people can vote at their leisure

Well, we do have absentee voting and early voting here in Boise going on for a couple of weeks now. Today is only the deadline to vote. I voted a week and a half ago.


In PA, and several other places, we don't have at-will absentee voting. You have to show cause for needing an absentee ballot, and do so over a month in advance of the election.
 
2012-11-06 01:22:51 PM

Stile4aly: sprawl15: vartian: Dusk-You-n-Me: dramboxf: A tweet from a fictional character?

Okaaaaaaaaay...

As opposed to the verified first, middle, and last names we use here on Fark.

Point of order - my login is my last name.

Is your last name Upastorm?

You and I may agree on nothing, but that's funny.

[i.qkme.me image 413x384]


This meme needs to be updated with "You said enough stuff, bye"
 
2012-11-06 01:23:41 PM

rogue49: Now THAT is how you truly get your workers to vote...

Koch brothers, take some notes.


Actually, I've always thought that it would be so easy to make a large voter turnout by offering random prizes somehow. Like a new car or home, or a million bucks.
 
2012-11-06 01:24:23 PM
Even with my idea of absentee ballot option for everyone, a national voting holiday should be done anyway and it should confer every bit as much of the patriotism as July fourth does, if not more so. The ability to vote helps maintain the ability to even have an Independence Day celebration. Scheduling for essential personnel should be half days so they have plenty of time to get out to vote.

The other day on the radio they were flaming on the idea of mentally disabled people voting. The instance they cited had a very small proportion of people voting from the mental hospital they were in. It was less than a tenth of the patients.

It got me thinking, if we qualify people's ability to vote based on if they're currently housed in a mental institution, should we not also disqualify people who can't be bothered to learn anything about their candidates and simply vote straight ticket how they're told to by an authority figure in their life or based on preconceived notions based on how their parents voted? There's also varying degrees of mental illness, even within mental hospitals. Just because they're in a mental institution does not mean they lack reasoning skills, it means that they have a mental illness which impedes their day to day functioning. 

I have less of a problem disallowing felons to vote than I do assuming mentally ill people are incapable of reasoning to vote, particularly given no or low-information voters still being allowed to vote.
 
2012-11-06 01:26:03 PM

Lunchlady: c-ment: Well, Romney just lost Michigan.

Romney never had Michigan


Or Ohio, really. Oh he got close, but he never really had it.

/Or Wisconsin. Or Nevada. Or Iowa. Or New Hampshire.
 
2012-11-06 01:26:13 PM

Nadie_AZ: Angry Buddha: FloydA: Good for them. Voting day should be a national holiday.

I'm in. Move Veterans Day to the Monday prior to Election Day, give a four-day weekend to everyone. shiat-can stupid Columbus day.

I agree with getting rid of Columbus' day. Why do we have elections on Tuesday? Why not move it to a Monday or a Friday?


Give people a three-day weekend and they'll use it for vacation, not to vote.
 
2012-11-06 01:26:16 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: That sound you heard was Romney getting run over by a Ram dually with a lift kit and fog horns.


Except for one problem, that Ram is built in Mexico.
 
2012-11-06 01:27:04 PM

Karac: Congratulations unions. Obama just cost you a days wages.


You've never been in a union have you? If the boss says "take the day off", you're getting paid for it.
 
2012-11-06 01:28:16 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Why is this only Chrysler workers?


It isn't. I know Ford has today off too.
 
2012-11-06 01:29:22 PM

Wayne 985: Nadie_AZ: Angry Buddha: FloydA: Good for them. Voting day should be a national holiday.

I'm in. Move Veterans Day to the Monday prior to Election Day, give a four-day weekend to everyone. shiat-can stupid Columbus day.

I agree with getting rid of Columbus' day. Why do we have elections on Tuesday? Why not move it to a Monday or a Friday?

Give people a three-day weekend and they'll use it for vacation, not to vote.


Probably. Stick with the Tuesday after the first Monday in November rule but make it a national holiday.
 
2012-11-06 01:29:22 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: In an update, Mitt Romney now claims that giving all Chrysler employees Election Day off was originally his idea.


They would've had the whole year off if Detroit had gone bankrupt. So it's a valid claim.
 
2012-11-06 01:31:29 PM

KwameKilstrawberry: Pretty sure all UAW employees are off today, as it has been the tradition for years. My drive to the House of GM was remarkably smooth this morning and Lot C is empty.


The UAW negotiated election day off for auto workers in 1999, and it went into effect the following year.
 
2012-11-06 01:32:38 PM

ohokyeah: Just because they're in a mental institution does not mean they lack reasoning skills, it means that they have a mental illness which impedes their day to day functioning.


Or they could be administrators.
 
2012-11-06 01:33:02 PM
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2012-11-06 01:34:22 PM

KwameKilstrawberry: Pretty sure all UAW employees are off today, as it has been the tradition for years. My drive to the House of GM was remarkably smooth this morning and Lot C is empty.


The UAW negotiated it probably more than a decade ago and it actually covers all employees of the Big Three in Michigan, not just UAW members. Kos makes it sound like it was just something they did this year to get the vote out against Romney -- that's not the case.
 
2012-11-06 01:35:18 PM

Angry Buddha: FloydA: Good for them. Voting day should be a national holiday.

I'm in. Move Veterans Day to the Monday prior to Election Day, give a four-day weekend to everyone. shiat-can stupid Columbus day.


THIS
 
2012-11-06 01:35:28 PM

SuperT: seriously, lets make sat-sun-mon-election tues the 'voting days' with tuesday being a national holiday to celebrate our voting.

I think the only people who will come out against it are those afraid of voter turnout who have to pay for it. usually the derpiest of the derp.

 
2012-11-06 01:35:40 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Wayne 985: Nadie_AZ: Angry Buddha: FloydA: Good for them. Voting day should be a national holiday.

I'm in. Move Veterans Day to the Monday prior to Election Day, give a four-day weekend to everyone. shiat-can stupid Columbus day.

I agree with getting rid of Columbus' day. Why do we have elections on Tuesday? Why not move it to a Monday or a Friday?

Give people a three-day weekend and they'll use it for vacation, not to vote.

Probably. Stick with the Tuesday after the first Monday in November rule but make it a national holiday.


I agree. Tues, Wed, and Thurs are safe bets. But it needs to be a holiday.
 
2012-11-06 01:38:50 PM

Weigard: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Why is this only Chrysler workers?

Because they can't give days off to people that don't work for them?


Ok, I farking laughed.
 
2012-11-06 01:46:52 PM

killershark:

The UAW negotiated it probably more than a decade ago and it actually covers all employees of the Big Three in Michigan, not just UAW members. Kos makes it sound like it was just something they did this year to get the vote out against Romney -- that's not the case.



The Kos article was referencing a Tweet from the auto manufacturer's vice president of design, Ralph Gilles. He's the guy who said this, not Kos.

I'm wondering, did the UAW give this benefit up in the bailout negotiations...so they really were given the day off today by the company, or do they still have the benefit? Auto workers conceded on a lot of things during the downward economic spiral. Contrary to right-wing anti-union spin.
 
rka
2012-11-06 01:50:12 PM

FloydA: Good for them. Voting day should be a national holiday.


I'd be more inclined to just make voting easier across the board.

It's super easy here in CO. No need for a holiday at all. Mail in, early vote, take your pick. I voted from my couch while watching San Diego smack Kansas City around last Thursday.

This is a state by state election law issue, not a national problem and a national holiday wouldn't help anything.

Lobby for easier voting in your state.
 
rka
2012-11-06 01:55:28 PM

Rixel: Of course in the system you have down there, that would barely be enough time


Once again, people need to be reminded that voting is not a Federal thing. It's run by the states. What you see as problems in places like Ohio and Florida aren't problems in many, many, many other states.

Florida has its own Fark tag for a reason.

I'm always amazed how often people completely space out on how the United States actually works.
 
2012-11-06 01:56:29 PM

ohokyeah: Why not make absentee ballot without an "excuse" an option nationally? Why do you have to be out of the county if you want to vote absentee? Doing absentee as an option for everyone will ensure that people don't have to stand in long lines in the cold and can sit down to vote when it's convenient for them to do so. Physical drop off of ballot or mailing in the ballot should both be acceptable means to vote.


Out of the country for absentee, wtf are you on about? I've been travelling domestically for work and voted via absentee. College kids use it all the time too.
 
2012-11-06 01:56:57 PM
So the chairman is just affecting the election by Fiat?
 
2012-11-06 01:58:29 PM

killershark: KwameKilstrawberry: Pretty sure all UAW employees are off today, as it has been the tradition for years. My drive to the House of GM was remarkably smooth this morning and Lot C is empty.

The UAW negotiated it probably more than a decade ago and it actually covers all employees of the Big Three in Michigan, not just UAW members. Kos makes it sound like it was just something they did this year to get the vote out against Romney -- that's not the case.


Wasn't sure exactly when it began. As a native Detroiter, I've had little exposure to the auto industry, but I know when I was working briefly for a Canadian-owned auto supplier some 10 years ago, Election Day was Fark Off at the Office Day.
 
2012-11-06 02:01:23 PM
Being a salaried employee (non-union) in a company who employs a mainly union workforce (in my case the IBEW) what benefits the union has negotiated do not always carry over to the non-union employees. In my case if the IBEW had negotiated a holiday today, I would remain out of luck on having the day off today since I am not a union employee.

I remain ignorant of what agreements the Automakers have in place with their employees, but it is possible that non-union employees would have had to report in today, and just got the day off to vote.
 
2012-11-06 02:04:20 PM

Rixel: r1chard3: FlashHarry: oh snap!

Came to say this.

And yeah, why isn't voting day a holiday. Or why don't they have polling places at work?

In Canada, your employer must ensure that you have at least 3 hours free to get to the polling station and vote (though this takes into account when the polling stations are open.....ie if you work 9am to 5pm and the polling station is open until 7pm, the boss has to let you go at 4pm....if the station is open until 8pm, then the boss don't have to let you go).

Of course in the system you have down there, that would barely be enough time, it would seem. I couldn't imagine taking more than 20 minutes to vote (and that includes walking to the polling station)


Florida apparently already has four- or five-hour lines to vote.
Basically, there are folks who will be sacrificing a day's pay to vote.
 
2012-11-06 02:04:58 PM
"I'm a car man!" says Rmoney.

His pappy, the creationist Rmoney senior,spinning in his Rambler grave.

I'm buying my daughter a FIAT tomorrow.
 
2012-11-06 02:09:08 PM
I heard Koch Bros. is not only giving their employees the day off to vote but also giving them rides to their polling places and help filling out their ballots. Suck on that Chrysler.


Guess Rmoney-Ryanus will carry Utah and Kansas then.
 
2012-11-06 02:12:49 PM

FloydA: Good for them. Voting day should be a national holiday.


I agree heartily, with a caveat. Let's sum up what our national holidays have boiled down to: a super 40% off SALE, FOOTBALL, FIREWORKS, and DRINKING, and this does not even include our celebration of Mexico's Cinco de Mayo DRINKING holiday, not to be confused with the FIESTA drinking holiday we celebrate here in the west/southwest, nor the MARDI GRAS drinking fest... In any event, a Voting Day holiday will no doubt turn into a super sale drinking day, which is fine, as long as the voting thing got taken care of first.
 
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