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2012-11-06 11:57:10 AM
Howard: "You need a center on the court."

Someone didn't watch the NBA Finals.
 
2012-11-06 12:38:01 PM
 
2012-11-06 01:23:52 PM
I agree with Dwight. Either change it so it says Frontcourt and Backcourt or leave it as is.
 
2012-11-06 02:06:47 PM
I particularly like this, too:

"It's been that way since they started All-Star Games, so why change it now?"

"The game changes every day," insisted the six-time All-Star. "It changes every year. You look at the game back then and now, centers are bigger, stronger, faster. Guards are bigger, stronger, faster. So the game evolves. That doesn't mean you take out a position because of the game evolving, because the players that play center are evolving also."

Good God, he can't even make a consistent, coherent statement about something as trivial and irrelevant as titles on a ballot.

"It's been this way forever, so why change it? Because the game has completely changed and centers now have range like the rest of the frontcourt players? Because it's bullsh*t to change just because things have changed."
 
2012-11-06 02:10:19 PM
I agree with him. There are far more forwards than there are centers. Even if he's twice as good as every other center, there are probably at least 10 forwards who are better overall players than him.
 
2012-11-06 02:18:40 PM

jaylectricity: I agree with him. There are far more forwards than there are centers. Even if he's twice as good as every other center, there are probably at least 10 forwards who are better overall players than him.


Maybe he should become a better player then. Now he won't be the top vote-getter just because there's no one else worth starting at his position. (Roy Hibbert is decent, but anyone starting him as an All-Star center would be retarded.)

/he'll still get voted in anyway; other centers that don't deserve to be there won't
//no, seriously, Howard led the league in All-Star votes last year
///and led the conference two years ago
////was second in the conference to LeBron three years ago
 
2012-11-06 02:41:30 PM

jaylectricity: I agree with him. There are far more forwards than there are centers. Even if he's twice as good as every other center, there are probably at least 10 forwards who are better overall players than him.


Who? Howard's offensive game is effective even though it's ugly, and he has more impact on defense than just about everyone.

I think he's about as smart as Forrest Gump without the down home common sense, but he's a hell of a player.
 
2012-11-06 02:42:48 PM
You want to improve All Star balloting? Don't let the fans vote, or at least make them vote at a freaking actual game, not online.
 
2012-11-06 02:57:24 PM

IAmRight: Good God, he can't even make a consistent, coherent statement about something as trivial and irrelevant as titles on a ballot.


IAmRight: Maybe he should become a better player then. Now he won't be the top vote-getter just because there's no one else worth starting at his position.

/he'll still get voted in anyway; other centers that don't deserve to be there won't


Is there no one else worth starting at the center position, or are there other centers that deserve to be there?

/Can you give a consistent statement, or did you go to the Dwight Howard School of Debate?
 
2012-11-06 03:03:52 PM
I'm not a huge NBA fan (i basically watch the christmas game, maybe the all star game, then start watching the finals) but.....i haven't seen much written about the Howard trade as it relates to Stern vetoing the Chris Paul to LA trade.

Did i miss the boat or did Stern react to the near unanimous criticism he got for the Paul trade by not vetoing Howard jumping to LA?
 
2012-11-06 03:04:23 PM
So what happens if we have a resurgence of centers?
 
2012-11-06 03:11:00 PM

skrame: Is there no one else worth starting at the center position, or are there other centers that deserve to be there?

/Can you give a consistent statement, or did you go to the Dwight Howard School of Debate?


Perhaps if you could read you wouldn't have a problem with understanding what I typed. I specifically said that other centers don't deserve to be there in BOTH statements.
 
2012-11-06 03:12:21 PM

IAmRight: jaylectricity: I agree with him. There are far more forwards than there are centers. Even if he's twice as good as every other center, there are probably at least 10 forwards who are better overall players than him.

Maybe he should become a better player then. Now he won't be the top vote-getter just because there's no one else worth starting at his position. (Roy Hibbert is decent, but anyone starting him as an All-Star center would be retarded.)

/he'll still get voted in anyway; other centers that don't deserve to be there won't
//no, seriously, Howard led the league in All-Star votes last year
///and led the conference two years ago
////was second in the conference to LeBron three years ago


Exactly. Howard needs to shut the fark up about all star games and his whining about how he wasn't defensive player of the year last year. He has so much physical talent but yet he's so much of a pussy. I can't wait until the day Kobe gets tired of his crybaby bullshiat and goes off on him. 

Maybe I'm just overreacting but he really rubs me the wrong way. From the way he handled his departure in Orlando (which was 10x worse than the LeBron and Carmelo exits) to his silly denials of wanting SVG gone, back to his supposed religious devoutness while knocking up a cheerleader. He's just a huge fraud to me that hasn't grown up mentally or with his game since he's been in the league.
 
2012-11-06 03:25:25 PM

rickythepenguin: I'm not a huge NBA fan (i basically watch the christmas game, maybe the all star game, then start watching the finals) but.....i haven't seen much written about the Howard trade as it relates to Stern vetoing the Chris Paul to LA trade.

Did i miss the boat or did Stern react to the near unanimous criticism he got for the Paul trade by not vetoing Howard jumping to LA?


Stern isn't a part owner of either the Lakers or Magic, so didn't have veto power, unlike in the Chris Paul situation, where the league owned the Hornets at the time.
 
2012-11-06 03:26:39 PM

coolio mack: Maybe I'm just overreacting but he really rubs me the wrong way. From the way he handled his departure in Orlando (which was 10x worse than the LeBron and Carmelo exits) to his silly denials of wanting SVG gone, back to his supposed religious devoutness while knocking up a cheerleader. He's just a huge fraud to me that hasn't grown up mentally or with his game since he's been in the league.


Thank you, other person in the world who remembers this other stuff. I hate how he got the good-guy image despite all that, not to mention being a consistent leader in technical fouls, suspensions for intentional elbows thrown at people's heads, etc.
 
2012-11-06 03:27:15 PM

IAmRight: Perhaps if you could read you wouldn't have a problem with understanding what I typed. I specifically said that other centers don't deserve to be there in BOTH statements.


...

Dammit.

/Leaves for the library.
 
2012-11-06 03:34:48 PM
Why have positions at all? Just let the fans vote for 5 or so guys of any position.

Then have the coaches or GMs or players select another couple guys to make sure deserving guys don't get left out.

In the end, who gives a shiat? It's an All Star game, albeit the most entertaining of them. It doesn't really matter if you get picked as a center or just a player really.
 
2012-11-06 03:37:29 PM

you have pee hands: jaylectricity: I agree with him. There are far more forwards than there are centers. Even if he's twice as good as every other center, there are probably at least 10 forwards who are better overall players than him.

Who? Howard's offensive game is effective even though it's ugly, and he has more impact on defense than just about everyone.

I think he's about as smart as Forrest Gump without the down home common sense, but he's a hell of a player.


That is, when he feels like playing.
 
2012-11-06 03:40:59 PM
Howard might have the PR & social skill of a bag of hammers, but goddammit, it's MY bag of hammers.
 
2012-11-06 03:41:47 PM

skrame: Is there no one else worth starting at the center position, or are there other centers that deserve to be there?


There are very few actually good centers in the league. You can make a good argument for Joakim Noah or Marcin Gortat being in the top 5 centers. After Howard, Marc Gasol, and Andrew Bynum, it's sort of a crapshoot. You then get to Roy Hibbert, Noah, Gortat, Tyson Chandler, Bogut, etc.

There was also goofy stuff like Tim Duncan requiring that he be listed as a forward with the Spurs and for All-Star game balloting, so a guy that really was a center was never eligible there.
 
2012-11-06 03:46:23 PM

GQueue: skrame: Is there no one else worth starting at the center position, or are there other centers that deserve to be there?

There are very few actually good centers in the league. You can make a good argument for Joakim Noah or Marcin Gortat being in the top 5 centers. After Howard, Marc Gasol, and Andrew Bynum, it's sort of a crapshoot. You then get to Roy Hibbert, Noah, Gortat, Tyson Chandler, Bogut, etc.

There was also goofy stuff like Tim Duncan requiring that he be listed as a forward with the Spurs and for All-Star game balloting, so a guy that really was a center was never eligible there.


No love for Al Horford?
 
2012-11-06 03:46:43 PM

IAmRight: I hate how he got the good-guy image despite all that, not to mention being a consistent leader in technical fouls, suspensions for intentional elbows thrown at people's heads, etc.


He proved if you play the media like a fiddle by smiling a lot, doing bad impressions and in general act like the class clown when the camera are rolling, fans and most of the media will buy your "hey, I'm just a good guy" image.

As much as I don't like Kobe, I respect the fact he doesn't try to portray anything other than "look, I don't care what anyone thinks, I just want to win basketball games". He doesn't just come off like an aloof weirdo with no social life, he is one, and he owns it.
 
2012-11-06 03:55:29 PM

Killer Cars: He proved if you play the media like a fiddle by smiling a lot, doing bad impressions and in general act like the class clown when the camera are rolling, fans and most of the media will buy your "hey, I'm just a good guy" image.


Also, again, seriously, not having visible tattoos is bigger than you'd think.
 
2012-11-06 04:01:31 PM

drewogatory: You want to improve All Star balloting? Don't let the fans vote, or at least make them vote at a freaking actual game, not online.


This. A whole bunch of this.

I do agree with Howard though. It is stupid.
 
2012-11-06 04:06:00 PM

Killer Cars: IAmRight: I hate how he got the good-guy image despite all that, not to mention being a consistent leader in technical fouls, suspensions for intentional elbows thrown at people's heads, etc.

He proved if you play the media like a fiddle by smiling a lot, doing bad impressions and in general act like the class clown when the camera are rolling, fans and most of the media will buy your "hey, I'm just a good guy" image.

As much as I don't like Kobe, I respect the fact he doesn't try to portray anything other than "look, I don't care what anyone thinks, I just want to win basketball games". He doesn't just come off like an aloof weirdo with no social life, he is one, and he owns it.


That's a great assessment of both Dwight and Kobe. And like you said, Kobe knows how to keep it real.

"I tell Steve, you won MVP but I was playing with Smush Parker" "He's playing with [Leandro] Barbosa. I'm playing with Smush and Kwame [Brown]. My goodness."

"Smush Parker was the worst," "He shouldn't have been in the NBA, but we were too cheap to pay for a point guard. We let him walk on."

"Smush Parker, with Tierre Brown as the backup," said Bryant, laughing. "I'm taking 45 shots a game. What was I supposed to do, pass the ball in to Chris Mihm? Chris Mihm?"
 
2012-11-06 04:06:23 PM

srhp29: I do agree with Howard though. It is stupid.


You agree with the fact that the game has changed completely and that the position of center is virtually indistinguishable from any other front court position? Or you agree that they shouldn't get rid of the center position?

/he's the Romney of the NBA
 
2012-11-06 04:09:29 PM

coolio mack: Killer Cars: IAmRight: I hate how he got the good-guy image despite all that, not to mention being a consistent leader in technical fouls, suspensions for intentional elbows thrown at people's heads, etc.

He proved if you play the media like a fiddle by smiling a lot, doing bad impressions and in general act like the class clown when the camera are rolling, fans and most of the media will buy your "hey, I'm just a good guy" image.

As much as I don't like Kobe, I respect the fact he doesn't try to portray anything other than "look, I don't care what anyone thinks, I just want to win basketball games". He doesn't just come off like an aloof weirdo with no social life, he is one, and he owns it.

That's a great assessment of both Dwight and Kobe. And like you said, Kobe knows how to keep it real.

"I tell Steve, you won MVP but I was playing with Smush Parker" "He's playing with [Leandro] Barbosa. I'm playing with Smush and Kwame [Brown]. My goodness."

"Smush Parker was the worst," "He shouldn't have been in the NBA, but we were too cheap to pay for a point guard. We let him walk on."

"Smush Parker, with Tierre Brown as the backup," said Bryant, laughing. "I'm taking 45 shots a game. What was I supposed to do, pass the ball in to Chris Mihm? Chris Mihm?"


Yes, I've heard of people like Kobe. I believe they're known in the biz as a shiatty teammate. If you need that much talent around you to get in the postseason, Rape Steak, maybe you're not the next coming of MJ after all, hmmmmm?
 
2012-11-06 04:13:28 PM

IAmRight: srhp29: I do agree with Howard though. It is stupid.

You agree with the fact that the game has changed completely and that the position of center is virtually indistinguishable from any other front court position? Or you agree that they shouldn't get rid of the center position?

/he's the Romney of the NBA


I agree with him that they should keep the C on the Ballot. It's just Stern realizing there aren't that many big named centers so he wants to be able to dig deeper into the Forward positions for the All Star Game.

As long as Center is still a position, which, last I checked, it is...it should get its props. Someone is still the best of the centers in each conference, so give them their due reward.
 
2012-11-06 04:15:04 PM

jaylectricity: there are probably at least 10 forwards who are better overall players than him.


Such as?

I can think of one. Lebron James. Name another, or another nine if you will.
 
2012-11-06 04:17:25 PM

srhp29: As long as Center is still a position, which, last I checked, it is...it should get its props.


It isn't, really, though. Over half the league plays PF/Cs.
 
2012-11-06 04:17:53 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: jaylectricity: there are probably at least 10 forwards who are better overall players than him.

Such as?

I can think of one. Lebron James. Name another, or another nine if you will.


Kevin Durant
 
2012-11-06 04:20:55 PM

srhp29: As long as Center is still a position, which, last I checked, it is...it should get its props. Someone is still the best of the centers in each conference, so give them their due reward.


Anybody know if Chuck Hayes(6'6") is still at the center position for the Rockets?



/loved Chuck back in his UK days, would never thought he'd be Yao's replacement
 
2012-11-06 04:21:56 PM

coolio mack: AdolfOliverPanties: jaylectricity: there are probably at least 10 forwards who are better overall players than him.

Such as?

I can think of one. Lebron James. Name another, or another nine if you will.

Kevin Durant


I'd also consider Kevin Love if he became at least an average defender. I'm highly impressed with how he's improved his game since he's gotten into the league. If Dwight had the work ethic that Love has, he could be a 30/17 guy.
 
paj
2012-11-06 04:25:33 PM
nationalpostsports.files.wordpress.com 

"WTF is this shiat?"
 
2012-11-06 04:27:05 PM

machodonkeywrestler: No love for Al Horford


I consider Horford a PF.
 
2012-11-06 04:33:35 PM
Al Jefferson is a solid, undersized Center.
 
2012-11-06 04:42:40 PM

LucklessWonder: Stern isn't a part owner of either the Lakers or Magic, so didn't have veto power, unlike in the Chris Paul situation, where the league owned the Hornets at the time.



yeah, but Stern's own statement, he said the owners (who collectively owned the Hornets) weren't part of the decision:

"Since the NBA purchased the New Orleans Hornets, final responsibility for significant management decisions lies with the Commissioner's Office in consultation with team chairman Jac Sperling. All decisions are made on the basis of what is in the best interests of the Hornets. In the case of the trade proposal that was made to the Hornets for Chris Paul, we decided, free from the influence of other NBA owners, that the team was better served with Chris in a Hornets uniform than by the outcome of the terms of that trade."

now, stern could be lying. or not. who knows. but assuming he isn't, that's why i asked the question; he appeared to be using his NBA commissioner power to kill the Paul deal, but I think he was stung by the backlash and didn't do dick in the Howard move.

ultimately, WFC.
 
2012-11-06 04:52:14 PM
How about working on a low post game so that you actually ARE a center.
 
2012-11-06 04:57:35 PM

coolio mack: coolio mack: AdolfOliverPanties: jaylectricity: there are probably at least 10 forwards who are better overall players than him.

Such as?

I can think of one. Lebron James. Name another, or another nine if you will.

Kevin Durant

I'd also consider Kevin Love if he became at least an average defender. I'm highly impressed with how he's improved his game since he's gotten into the league. If Dwight had the work ethic that Love has, he could be a 30/17 guy.


Forgot about Durant. I'll give that. Not sure about Love.

But there aren't 10 forwards in the league that are better than Dwight Howard. The guy can go for 30 on any night and block 3-4 shots as well. He is a freak.
 
2012-11-06 05:08:22 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: coolio mack: coolio mack: AdolfOliverPanties: jaylectricity: there are probably at least 10 forwards who are better overall players than him.

Such as?

I can think of one. Lebron James. Name another, or another nine if you will.

Kevin Durant

I'd also consider Kevin Love if he became at least an average defender. I'm highly impressed with how he's improved his game since he's gotten into the league. If Dwight had the work ethic that Love has, he could be a 30/17 guy.

Forgot about Durant. I'll give that. Not sure about Love.

But there aren't 10 forwards in the league that are better than Dwight Howard. The guy can go for 30 on any night and block 3-4 shots as well. He is a freak.


Dwight's inability to shoot FT make him a liability but I agree that he is pretty damn good.
 
2012-11-06 06:00:26 PM
 
2012-11-06 06:06:27 PM

EngineerBoy: Thanks, Hakeem (my favorite is at 0:50)


Can't watch but I assume it is when he trashes Robinson in the playoffs?
 
2012-11-06 06:19:57 PM

IAmRight: Killer Cars: He proved if you play the media like a fiddle by smiling a lot, doing bad impressions and in general act like the class clown when the camera are rolling, fans and most of the media will buy your "hey, I'm just a good guy" image.

Also, again, seriously, not having visible tattoos is bigger than you'd think.


Here we go. Tell us what you really mean.
 
2012-11-06 08:59:53 PM
Center or not, Andy Varejao should be an All-Star this year.
 
2012-11-06 09:19:39 PM
yao ming still leading balloting?

/ thanks chinamen
 
2012-11-07 01:11:24 AM
It IS incredibly stupid.
 
2012-11-07 07:13:50 AM
If Dwight Howard is against it, I'm for it.
 
2012-11-07 09:01:54 AM

umad: Here we go. Tell us what you really mean.


Why don't you make up what you think I mean, like you do all the time?
 
2012-11-07 01:53:28 PM

IAmRight: umad: Here we go. Tell us what you really mean.

Why don't you make up what you think I mean, like you do all the time?


I only read what you post. I don't make it up. So are you going to cut the shiat and tell us what you are getting at or what?
 
2012-11-08 04:40:07 AM

umad: I only read what you post. I don't make it up. So are you going to cut the shiat and tell us what you are getting at or what?


You're going after IAmRight because he brought up the "thug" issue? Pretty much all of us Fark basketball fans agree the issue is bogus and overblown but we can all understand that the casual sports fan still sees it as a problem in the NBA. You know what he's talking about and I don't think he tried to obscure it.
 
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