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2012-11-06 11:11:17 AM  
Hopefully it'll be a character that get viciously murdered by Jaqen H'ghar.
 
2012-11-06 11:31:45 AM  
So, having watched only the first season, is it official that the show has jumped the shark, or is it still of decent quality?
 
2012-11-06 11:33:01 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: So, having watched only the first season, is it official that the show has jumped the shark, or is it still of decent quality?


Jumped the shark, from what? Hiring this guy to play a 'cameo?' I doubt it. But if you liked the first season, you should definitely watch the second.
 
2012-11-06 11:35:03 AM  
The s

whizbangthedirtfarmer: So, having watched only the first season, is it official that the show has jumped the shark, or is it still of decent quality?


You summer child.


The second season was better than the first -- even though they decapitated the main character of the first season.

The Battle on the Blackwater was one of the best pieces of television you'll ever see and Arya Stark is a gem of a character.

And Peter Dinklage still rocks.
 
2012-11-06 11:37:28 AM  

redmond24: The swhizbangthedirtfarmer: So, having watched only the first season, is it official that the show has jumped the shark, or is it still of decent quality?

You summer child.


The second season was better than the first -- even though they decapitated the main character of the first season.

The Battle on the Blackwater was one of the best pieces of television you'll ever see and Arya Stark is a gem of a character.

And Peter Dinklage still rocks.


It's really hard to play favorites on this show. Even the blonde haired Targaryon girl, who was starting to get a bit stale, started to get her mojo back by the end of the second season.

The only characters I'm kinda 'meh' on are the 'good guys,' most of the Starks. Arya still rocks, though.
 
2012-11-06 11:38:03 AM  

Cythraul: whizbangthedirtfarmer: So, having watched only the first season, is it official that the show has jumped the shark, or is it still of decent quality?

Jumped the shark, from what? Hiring this guy to play a 'cameo?' I doubt it. But if you liked the first season, you should definitely watch the second.


Hrmm...did they at least cool it with the bewbs? I like 'em as much as the next (straight) guy, but, goodness, it was pretty excessive in some of the episodes.

/sexposition
 
2012-11-06 11:40:11 AM  
I had stayed away from this show. Then they put both seasons up on Xfinity On-Demand. So I watched both seasons over the course or 4 or 5 days. Now... I've got to sit here in agony till what, April next year or later? HBO subscription in my future. Let this be a warning kids, Game of Thrones is powerful stuff not to be played around with.
 
2012-11-06 11:40:22 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Cythraul: whizbangthedirtfarmer: So, having watched only the first season, is it official that the show has jumped the shark, or is it still of decent quality?

Jumped the shark, from what? Hiring this guy to play a 'cameo?' I doubt it. But if you liked the first season, you should definitely watch the second.

Hrmm...did they at least cool it with the bewbs? I like 'em as much as the next (straight) guy, but, goodness, it was pretty excessive in some of the episodes.

/sexposition


This is one of my few complaints, the near constant need to show nudity by the director(s). I've even heard there were scenes of gratuitous nudity in the television series that weren't even written in the book. I don't think it's been toned down much in the second season, but the writing, acting, and direction are so well done, it becomes a minor issue that I can overlook.
 
2012-11-06 11:45:36 AM  
If he's going to be a drummer, methinks he's scheduled for a wedding feast scene.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: So, having watched only the first season, is it official that the show has jumped the shark, or is it still of decent quality


It'd be pretty surprising if the next two seasons aren't awesome. They're coming from the third book, which I think is generally considered the best of the five written so far. Season two was thoroughly enjoyable as well -- my wife hasn't read any of the books nor have several friends who watch and they've all loved the show. It's pretty hard not to enjoy Tyrion and Bronn, and there's a lot of them in season two.
 
2012-11-06 11:46:44 AM  

Cythraul: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Cythraul: whizbangthedirtfarmer: So, having watched only the first season, is it official that the show has jumped the shark, or is it still of decent quality?

Jumped the shark, from what? Hiring this guy to play a 'cameo?' I doubt it. But if you liked the first season, you should definitely watch the second.

Hrmm...did they at least cool it with the bewbs? I like 'em as much as the next (straight) guy, but, goodness, it was pretty excessive in some of the episodes.

/sexposition

This is one of my few complaints, the near constant need to show nudity by the director(s). I've even heard there were scenes of gratuitous nudity in the television series that weren't even written in the book. I don't think it's been toned down much in the second season, but the writing, acting, and direction are so well done, it becomes a minor issue that I can overlook.


Yes, the scene with Littlefinger talking about his past while two lesbians going at it in the background was completely egregious and over the top. An occasional situational nudity or some reason behind it is fine, but I was worried that the writers/directors were looking for filler material.
 
2012-11-06 11:47:48 AM  

Cythraul: It's really hard to play favorites on this show. Even the blonde haired Targaryon girl, who was starting to get a bit stale, started to get her mojo back by the end of the second season.


Her storyline was the biggest waste of time for most of the season. They just really didn't have much for her to do.
Also,
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Too bad we didn't get to see the visions in the tower from the book. Although I guess that would have been difficult to show in the series while still being vague enough to not give things away.
 
2012-11-06 11:54:14 AM  
I'm continually amused that the adaptation is so faithful that the primary complaints about the series are essentially identical to the most common complaints about the books: the sex scenes are excessive/gratuitous, the Daenerys storyline is a waste of time for the first couple books/seasons, the starks not named Arya are really boring, they killed my favorite character, etc.

There's a lot to be said about staying that close to the source material, as someone that liked the books I'm really enjoying it.
 
2012-11-06 11:54:35 AM  

NeoCortex42: Cythraul: It's really hard to play favorites on this show. Even the blonde haired Targaryon girl, who was starting to get a bit stale, started to get her mojo back by the end of the second season.

Her storyline was the biggest waste of time for most of the season. They just really didn't have much for her to do.
Also,
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Too bad we didn't get to see the visions in the tower from the book. Although I guess that would have been difficult to show in the series while still being vague enough to not give things away.


I'm not sure what you mean by 'visions in the tower' since I have not read the books. But she does go to the warlock tower.

[spoilers below]

[spoilers below]

[spoilers below]


She goes to the warlock tower to get her dragons back, and there she sees a vision of the throne room with the roof all melted away and snow falling in through the now opened ceiling. I"m assuming this is foreshadowing that she might raise her dragons, and assault the capital city (which I can't remember the name of). Is this one of those visions that you're thinking of?

If not, I guess I don't want to know exactly what you mean. I'd rather not read the books and keep season 3 unspoiled.
 
2012-11-06 11:56:12 AM  

NeoCortex42: Too bad we didn't get to see the visions in the tower from the book. Although I guess that would have been difficult to show in the series while still being vague enough to not give things away.


We at least got some nifty visuals with the burned out great hall, Drogo+Rhaego, and her realization that, basically, her happiness isn't really in the cards anymore, so she might as well devote herself to helping others.

/I'm about hafway through Dance now, and looking forward, her Astapor+Yunkai+Meereen storyline is going to seem interminable at some points...
 
2012-11-06 11:57:32 AM  

Jim_Callahan: I'm continually amused that the adaptation is so faithful that the primary complaints about the series are essentially identical to the most common complaints about the books: the sex scenes are excessive/gratuitous, the Daenerys storyline is a waste of time for the first couple books/seasons, the starks not named Arya are really boring, they killed my favorite character, etc.

There's a lot to be said about staying that close to the source material, as someone that liked the books I'm really enjoying it.


I read the first two, and I will admit this now, I am not a fantasy fan. I couldn't stand them. They were better written than most American fantasy, but they swung between fully-fleshed, real characters, cardboard cutouts, sex scenes, long descriptions of feasts, more sex scenes, and, oh, there's a few people getting killed.
Meh.
 
2012-11-06 12:00:24 PM  

Cythraul: NeoCortex42: Cythraul: It's really hard to play favorites on this show. Even the blonde haired Targaryon girl, who was starting to get a bit stale, started to get her mojo back by the end of the second season.

Her storyline was the biggest waste of time for most of the season. They just really didn't have much for her to do.
Also,
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x600]

Too bad we didn't get to see the visions in the tower from the book. Although I guess that would have been difficult to show in the series while still being vague enough to not give things away.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'visions in the tower' since I have not read the books. But she does go to the warlock tower.

[spoilers below]

[spoilers below]

[spoilers below]

She goes to the warlock tower to get her dragons back, and there she sees a vision of the throne room with the roof all melted away and snow falling in through the now opened ceiling. I"m assuming this is foreshadowing that she might raise her dragons, and assault the capital city (which I can't remember the name of). Is this one of those visions that you're thinking of?

If not, I guess I don't want to know exactly what you mean. I'd rather not read the books and keep season 3 unspoiled.


I won't go into details (mostly because I can't remember them at the moment), but the warlock tower in the book ended up being a really trippy series of visions that had some major foreshadowing of future events. I can understand not having them in the show, though. It's easy to keep visions vague in the book, but once you try to visualize them on the screen, they either become so clear as to be obvious or too obscure to make any sense.
 
2012-11-06 12:01:36 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: They were better written than most American fantasy, but they swung between fully-fleshed, real characters, cardboard cutouts, sex scenes, long descriptions of feasts, more sex scenes, and, oh, there's a few people getting killed.


Yeah, I hated Hamlet too.
 
2012-11-06 12:02:16 PM  
Looks like we have our drummer for the Red Wedding...
 
2012-11-06 12:03:13 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Yes, the scene with Littlefinger talking about his past while two lesbians going at it in the background was completely egregious and over the top. An occasional situational nudity or some reason behind it is fine, but I was worried that the writers/directors were looking for filler material.


"Sexposition" is really a thing that they're doing. Basically if they have to have a narrative sequence or extended exposition, they do it while some titties are on the screen. Getting a couple nubile ladies to make out is cheaper than actually filming a battle or execution or whatever. It works, and if it isn't quite in the books, it should be known that significant portions of the books DO take place in brothels and the bedchambers of indifferently omnisexual female royalty.

/I always thought the lesbian sex scene in every season of The Wire was tacked on and unnecessary.
//Insofar as lesbian sex can be said to be unnecessary, anyway.
 
2012-11-06 12:04:03 PM  
If he was cast as a drummer, I think I can guess his cameo.

"And who are you," the proud lord said,
"That I must bow so low?
Only a cat of a different coat,
That's all the truth I know."

"In a coat of gold, or a coat of red,
A lion still has claws.
And mine are long and sharp, my lord,
As long and sharp as yours."

And so he spoke, and so he spoke
That Lord o'Castamere.
But now the rains sweep o'er his halls
With no one there to hear.

Yes now the rains, weep o'er his halls
With not a soul to hear.
 
2012-11-06 12:07:30 PM  

karmaceutical


I had stayed away from this show. Then they put both seasons up on Xfinity On-Demand. So I watched both seasons over the course or 4 or 5 days. Now... I've got to sit here in agony till what, April next year or later? HBO subscription in my future. Let this be a warning kids, Game of Thrones is powerful stuff not to be played around with.


Winter is coming...


You know, so you can watch them again on-demand while you're stuck inside.
 
2012-11-06 12:09:45 PM  

Cythraul: This is one of my few complaints, the near constant need to show nudity by the director(s). I've even heard there were scenes of gratuitous nudity in the television series that weren't even written in the book. I don't think it's been toned down much in the second season, but the writing, acting, and direction are so well done, it becomes a minor issue that I can overlook.


Its the gratuitous nudity that is the problem. Not the beheadings, demons, burning soldiers, the incest, baby dragons burning mages alive ... no ... its that there is too much nudity.

[facepalm.jpg]
 
2012-11-06 12:09:47 PM  
Did subby just call Sean Bean gay?
 
2012-11-06 12:12:25 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: So, having watched only the first season, is it official that the show has jumped the shark, or is it still of decent quality?


What the hell are you yabbering on about? It is the gold standard of quality television, and it just finished its best season to date. Whatever's the opposite of jumping the shark, it is doing exactly that.
 
2012-11-06 12:13:22 PM  

gingerjet: Cythraul: This is one of my few complaints, the near constant need to show nudity by the director(s). I've even heard there were scenes of gratuitous nudity in the television series that weren't even written in the book. I don't think it's been toned down much in the second season, but the writing, acting, and direction are so well done, it becomes a minor issue that I can overlook.

Its the gratuitous nudity that is the problem. Not the beheadings, demons, burning soldiers, the incest, baby dragons burning mages alive ... no ... its that there is too much nudity.

[facepalm.jpg]


*sigh*

I haven't seen violence put in there for violence sake, just to sell the product. This is Game of Thrones we're talking about here, not Judge Dredd.

I'm not 100% comfortable with all the nudity because I wonder if it isn't a gimmick to get people watch, and little more. I have no 'moral' issues with it being there, however, too much nudity in an artistic piece strikes me as porn masquerading as something more significant.
 
2012-11-06 12:16:43 PM  

gingerjet: Cythraul: This is one of my few complaints, the near constant need to show nudity by the director(s). I've even heard there were scenes of gratuitous nudity in the television series that weren't even written in the book. I don't think it's been toned down much in the second season, but the writing, acting, and direction are so well done, it becomes a minor issue that I can overlook.

Its the gratuitous nudity that is the problem. Not the beheadings, demons, burning soldiers, the incest, baby dragons burning mages alive ... no ... its that there is too much nudity.

[facepalm.jpg]


But...but.....bewbs are teh ebul!
 
2012-11-06 12:17:59 PM  

metaskie: gingerjet: Cythraul: This is one of my few complaints, the near constant need to show nudity by the director(s). I've even heard there were scenes of gratuitous nudity in the television series that weren't even written in the book. I don't think it's been toned down much in the second season, but the writing, acting, and direction are so well done, it becomes a minor issue that I can overlook.

Its the gratuitous nudity that is the problem. Not the beheadings, demons, burning soldiers, the incest, baby dragons burning mages alive ... no ... its that there is too much nudity.

[facepalm.jpg]

But...but.....bewbs are teh ebul!


See my last response Mr/Mrs Knee-jerk.
 
2012-11-06 12:22:46 PM  

Cythraul: metaskie: gingerjet: Cythraul: This is one of my few complaints, the near constant need to show nudity by the director(s). I've even heard there were scenes of gratuitous nudity in the television series that weren't even written in the book. I don't think it's been toned down much in the second season, but the writing, acting, and direction are so well done, it becomes a minor issue that I can overlook.

Its the gratuitous nudity that is the problem. Not the beheadings, demons, burning soldiers, the incest, baby dragons burning mages alive ... no ... its that there is too much nudity.

[facepalm.jpg]

But...but.....bewbs are teh ebul!

See my last response Mr/Mrs Knee-jerk.


I haven't watched True Blood, but isn't that what it's pretty much all about now? Just lots of nekkidness.
 
2012-11-06 12:23:49 PM  

PsyLord: Cythraul: metaskie: gingerjet: Cythraul: This is one of my few complaints, the near constant need to show nudity by the director(s). I've even heard there were scenes of gratuitous nudity in the television series that weren't even written in the book. I don't think it's been toned down much in the second season, but the writing, acting, and direction are so well done, it becomes a minor issue that I can overlook.

Its the gratuitous nudity that is the problem. Not the beheadings, demons, burning soldiers, the incest, baby dragons burning mages alive ... no ... its that there is too much nudity.

[facepalm.jpg]

But...but.....bewbs are teh ebul!

See my last response Mr/Mrs Knee-jerk.

I haven't watched True Blood, but isn't that what it's pretty much all about now? Just lots of nekkidness.


It also has vampires.
 
2012-11-06 12:27:41 PM  

boochini: Looks like we have our drummer for the Red Wedding...


Yeah, seems like a no-brainer.

But here's the joke: The musicians at that wedding were supposed to play poorly, so they got the drummer from Coldpay.
 
2012-11-06 12:31:07 PM  

redmond24: The swhizbangthedirtfarmer: So, having watched only the first season, is it official that the show has jumped the shark, or is it still of decent quality?

You summer child.


The second season was better than the first -- even though they decapitated the main character of the first season.

The Battle on the Blackwater was one of the best pieces of television you'll ever see and Arya Stark is a gem of a character.

And Peter Dinklage still rocks.


This, this, this AND this.
 
2012-11-06 12:31:51 PM  

Gaambit: boochini: Looks like we have our drummer for the Red Wedding...

Yeah, seems like a no-brainer.

But here's the joke: The musicians at that wedding were supposed to play poorly, so they got the drummer from Coldpay.


I guess the drummer from Nickleback was busy.
 
2012-11-06 12:38:29 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Gaambit: boochini: Looks like we have our drummer for the Red Wedding...

Yeah, seems like a no-brainer.

But here's the joke: The musicians at that wedding were supposed to play poorly, so they got the drummer from Coldpay.

I guess the drummer from Nickleback was busy.


He just lost a battle with a fan, actually.
 
2012-11-06 12:41:10 PM  

Cythraul: I haven't seen violence put in there for violence sake, just to sell the product. This is Game of Thrones we're talking about here, not Judge Dredd.

I'm not 100% comfortable with all the nudity because I wonder if it isn't a gimmick to get people watch, and little more. I have no 'moral' issues with it being there, however, too much nudity in an artistic piece strikes me as porn masquerading as something more significant.



Well, now that someone's already made a "bewbies!" crack, here we go:

I'm not sure if we're properly calibrated as North Americans to discern levels of violence/sexuality. I think pushing a kid out a window to keep a secret, and having that secret be something as depraved as twincest, are pretty much equal in severity. Mind you, there was no gore or nudity involved, by our TV standards.

If we're talking gore vs. nudity, I think the King's Tourney scenes (the Mountain beheads his horse; some poor sap suffers a lance to the throat, gurgling up blood for about 50 frames longer than most would've preferred), and the aforementioned Baelish sexposition scene with the lesbians are just about as far as the show's gone in terms of gore and nudity. I might've voted for the Joffrey-and-the-whores scene, had it not ended with the implication that the sceptre was to be used for beating, and not for penetration (as I'd hoped/feared).

I personally think the gore was WAY higher on the overall gore scale than the nudity was, but that's me. That's where these discussions always break down (typically, at least, here on Fark) - we don't all have the same thresholds (I don't necessarily mean you here, just hypothetical debate adversaries).

Now, as far as the sex being there simply for titillation, and lessening the impact of an otherwise mature show by overplaying the T&A, well, that's a worry I'm sure many of the writers/producers have. I personally thought the lesbian sexposition scene was distracting (not unwelcome, but I did have to watch it more than once to grasp what Littlefinger was telling us). I think they wanted to impress upon us how his life is surrounded by sex and desirable bodies, yet all he wants is to toy with (those in) power. They overdid it, but I see what they were going for.

Other nudity works b/c of context: Tyrion and his whores - well, you'd expect them to be naked, no? Littlefinger in his brothel, talking to, say, Ros, about how he won't hurt her if she helps him, but can certainly sell her to someone who will - that works because it emphasizes his power over her. Maergery making fun of Renly and his man-ass-desiring cock? - she had to be naked and sexy, or it loses its power.

Now, those scenes probably all work on Network TV too, with creative camera angles, but this is HBO, and HBO subscribers expect tits, damn it! And maybe that was your point all along: that we're getting tits just because they're supposed to be there, and not because they're needed. Then again, maybe they've always been needed, but we just didn't know it...

/Jeez, sorry about the rambling
//How about a roast goat with dizzled in honey and stuffed with ripe plums and sweet onions and [...]
 
2012-11-06 12:42:18 PM  

boochini: Looks like we have our drummer for the Red Wedding...


My thoughts exactly. If not the Red Wedding than that other important wedding that happens to feature a shiat load of performers.
 
2012-11-06 12:46:03 PM  

R Kelly's Doo Doo Butter: boochini: Looks like we have our drummer for the Red Wedding...

My thoughts exactly. If not the Red Wedding than that other important wedding that happens to feature a shiat load of performers.



I'm absurdly excited for the Pig vs. Dog joust.
 
2012-11-06 12:50:49 PM  
What's Game of Thrones? Is it like Risk or something?
 
2012-11-06 12:52:18 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I read the first two, and I will admit this now, I am not a fantasy fan. I couldn't stand them. They were better written than most American fantasy, but they swung between fully-fleshed, real characters, cardboard cutouts, sex scenes, long descriptions of feasts, more sex scenes, and, oh, there's a few people getting killed.
Meh.


Martin's stated goal was to write basically a Tom Clancy / Realpolitik novel, but set it in a high fantasy setting.

As a result, a lot of the tropes aren't really standard fantasy tropes, they're spy novel/cold-war thriller tropes. Like the cardboard/straw-villain gaining depth, background, and characterization, which in normal fantasy normally means they're about to go protagonist, but instead remaining an irredeemable bastards. Or the ostensibly noble and/or sinister goals of the various factions being reduced to terms of basic human drives like sex, violence, and individual personality conflict, with some genuine implications that the factions aren't so different (where the usual high fantasy "not so different" speech is not really sincere, and the 'epic' conflict is usually actually what it comes down to in the end). Or even factual plot elements changing when the viewpoint character changes (or, in sansa's case, factual plot elements changing with the same viewpoint character with the passage of time).

Basically, most of the stuff you're talking about was intentional invocation of well-known literary devices (or, in the case of the focus on food and sex, sort of allegorical for the crapsack, every-man-for-himself setting). It's fine if that's not your thing, but you should be aware that it's intentional craft and not bad writing that informs most of what you're talking about.

//Not to say that there's not a lot of sex and violence, it's just in there for a purpose, not as filler.
 
2012-11-06 12:59:41 PM  

Cythraul: I'm not 100% comfortable with all the nudity because I wonder if it isn't a gimmick to get people watch, and little more. I have no 'moral' issues with it being there, however, too much nudity in an artistic piece strikes me as porn masquerading as something more significant.


Then you haven't been paying attention to interviews with the author. Who has been onset and has made quite a few comments on the matter. And frankly - I believe there isn't enough nudity.
 
2012-11-06 01:01:28 PM  

gingerjet: Cythraul: I'm not 100% comfortable with all the nudity because I wonder if it isn't a gimmick to get people watch, and little more. I have no 'moral' issues with it being there, however, too much nudity in an artistic piece strikes me as porn masquerading as something more significant.

Then you haven't been paying attention to interviews with the author. Who has been onset and has made quite a few comments on the matter. And frankly - I believe there isn't enough nudity.


At what point does the nudity get to be too much for you? When almost every scene has farking in it?
 
2012-11-06 01:07:55 PM  

PsyLord: I haven't watched True Blood, but isn't that what it's pretty much all about now? Just lots of nekkidness.


Reasons to watch True Blood:

1. The Mincing Gay Black character is funny.
2. Eric the Viking is kind of awesome and also pretty much eyecandy for people who like it in manly flavors.
3. There's some kind of obligation to show T&A every 15 minutes. It's better when it's the derptarded brother's girlfriend of the week of the redheaded teenage vampire chick, but it delivers piping hot top-quality softcore nakedness on a completely consistent timetable.
 
2012-11-06 01:30:47 PM  
I had heard SO MUCH about teh nekkidness in True Blood that I finally watched an episode to see what the ruckus was all about.

There was no nekkidness in the episode I saw.
 
2012-11-06 01:35:29 PM  

Cythraul: I've even heard there were scenes of gratuitous nudity in the television series that weren't even written in the book.


Most of the nudity in the show was not in the book. The prostitute characters were largely created for the show except for Shae.
In the first book it was mostly just Targaryen getting raped. Littlefinger did run a brothel and Stark did visit for his little detective quest.
 
2012-11-06 01:40:58 PM  
Jon snow says " Winter is coming!!!"

hbowatch.com


/hot like Daenerys Targaryen
 
2012-11-06 01:52:24 PM  

NeoCortex42: Cythraul: It's really hard to play favorites on this show. Even the blonde haired Targaryon girl, who was starting to get a bit stale, started to get her mojo back by the end of the second season.

Her storyline was the biggest waste of time for most of the season. They just really didn't have much for her to do.
Also,

skreened.com

/hot like the Khaleesi

 
2012-11-06 01:53:20 PM  

Loomy: I'm absurdly excited for the Pig vs. Dog joust.


I'm looking forward to watching Dinklage ride the Pig, if you know what I mean.

/Not for another few years though!
 
2012-11-06 02:11:40 PM  

PsyLord: Did subby just call Sean Bean gay?


One does not simply call Sean Bean gay
 
2012-11-06 02:18:09 PM  

Loomy: I'm not sure if we're properly calibrated as North Americans to discern levels of violence/sexuality.


It's not about levels so much as getting the recipe right. Sugar tastes good and makes lots of recipes good, and there's nothing stopping you from consuming large amounts of it. But you don't use it in everything, it's not always the #1 ingredient and in some cases it can make the recipe worse.

I'm OK with large amounts of nudity in pr0n because that's the sugar recipe equivalent of a goddamn pixie stick. I'm OK with large amounts of nudity in Lust, Caution because the plot from the get-go was about seducing an enemy. I'm OK with the nudity in Airplane! because that movie quickly sets the expectation that no joke is too low-brow. But I don't expect high prose monologue to be interspersed with bow-chika-bow-bow any more than I'd expect a chef to throw a dollop of chocolate ice cream onto a sushi dish.

Loomy: And maybe that was your point all along: that we're getting tits just because they're supposed to be there, and not because they're needed. Then again, maybe they've always been needed, but we just didn't know it...


There are two levels of gratuitous, though. There's just lazily throwing it into a scene, and then there's taking the token time to actually come up with a reason for it. I get the impression the fans who seriously defend the "sexposition" (as opposed to "T&A makes everything better") are somehow impressed that HBO/GRRM opted for the latter. Whee? It's hardly newsworthy that sociopathic royalty is going to play around; I can figure that out on my own and isn't this story intended for grown-ups anyway? Am I being catered to or insulted here? It can be realistic, but it's not going to be necessary, and more to the point, doesn't necessarily improve the product. It's not like the Lannisters are lacking for opportunities to show they're douchebags. And the brothel? You can write a pimp to a relevant role, but realistically, a pimp would have no reason to get in the least bit involved in a highly dangerous succession game beyond making easy money off pervs. If the story was primarily about prostitution it'd be hard to tell it without some nudity, but I get the impression the role of sex in Westeros is cleanly categorized as either consummation or recreation. If you strip away the thin layers of context, a lot of it just isn't needed.

My point is that I consider the sex "gratuitous" not because of the amount so much as the irrelevance to what's an aggressively compressed abridgement of an extremely bloated plot. That's not to say it's ALL irrelevant or unnecessary; some of it certainly has a reason for being there. But if the scene has a chick stripped in public for no other reason than to prove a douchebag is a douchebag when he's basically been a douchebag in every single scene he's been in, it's not being "gritty" or "realistic" so much as just redundant.
 
2012-11-06 02:23:24 PM  

metaskie: gingerjet: Cythraul: This is one of my few complaints, the near constant need to show nudity by the director(s). I've even heard there were scenes of gratuitous nudity in the television series that weren't even written in the book. I don't think it's been toned down much in the second season, but the writing, acting, and direction are so well done, it becomes a minor issue that I can overlook.

Its the gratuitous nudity that is the problem. Not the beheadings, demons, burning soldiers, the incest, baby dragons burning mages alive ... no ... its that there is too much nudity.

[facepalm.jpg]

But...but.....bewbs are teh ebul!


It's not that, but people who watch Game of Thrones are generally considered to be more intelligent than the average TV American Idol/Honey Boo Boo/People's Court viewer. That kind of clashes with the often unnecessary objectification of the women in the series. One would think that a more educated, discerning viewer would not be interested in that sort of pandering.

Yes, there are scenes where the nudity serves a purpose, much like the violence, but unlike the violence, there are many, many scenes where the nudity is just ... there, and doesn't need to be.
 
2012-11-06 02:27:58 PM  
Why on earth don't you guys like b00bs? What the hell is wrong with you?
 
2012-11-06 02:37:01 PM  

TheAnvil: Why on earth don't you guys like b00bs? What the hell is wrong with you?

 
2012-11-06 02:40:39 PM  

Cythraul: I'm not sure what you mean by 'visions in the tower' since I have not read the books.


http://towerofthehand.com/books/102/049/index.html

Here's a good summary of events. Skip the footnotes to remain unspoilery.
 
2012-11-06 02:56:31 PM  

Jim_Callahan: There's a lot to be said about staying that close to the source material, as someone that liked the books I'm really enjoying it.


What's your opinion of the 4th book? For me, the first three were like the Lord of the Rings trilogy. The fourth was like the Silmarillion. I can't see them turning the 4th book into a season without chopping out a lot of the boring parts.

/no spoilers for the 5th please, just started it
 
2012-11-06 02:57:42 PM  

Cythraul: NeoCortex42: Cythraul: It's really hard to play favorites on this show. Even the blonde haired Targaryon girl, who was starting to get a bit stale, started to get her mojo back by the end of the second season.

Her storyline was the biggest waste of time for most of the season. They just really didn't have much for her to do.
Also,
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x600]

Too bad we didn't get to see the visions in the tower from the book. Although I guess that would have been difficult to show in the series while still being vague enough to not give things away.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'visions in the tower' since I have not read the books. But she does go to the warlock tower.

[spoilers below]

[spoilers below]

[spoilers below]

She goes to the warlock tower to get her dragons back, and there she sees a vision of the throne room with the roof all melted away and snow falling in through the now opened ceiling. I"m assuming this is foreshadowing that she might raise her dragons, and assault the capital city (which I can't remember the name of). Is this one of those visions that you're thinking of?

If not, I guess I don't want to know exactly what you mean. I'd rather not read the books and keep season 3 unspoiled.



SPOILER SPOILER OF FUTURE PREDICTION THEORY

The "snow" is Jon Snow, the true heir, as he is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. The dragon has 3 heads. Ned Stark's promise to his dying sister. She died in childbirth.(bed of blood) No way in hell that Jon is Ned's son. Jon Snow will be on the Iron Throne in the end.
 
2012-11-06 03:08:18 PM  

amindtat: Jim_Callahan: There's a lot to be said about staying that close to the source material, as someone that liked the books I'm really enjoying it.

What's your opinion of the 4th book? For me, the first three were like the Lord of the Rings trilogy. The fourth was like the Silmarillion. I can't see them turning the 4th book into a season without chopping out a lot of the boring parts.

/no spoilers for the 5th please, just started it


The 4th book seems to plod along because:

1) There's a shiat ton of wholesale carnage in the 3rd book which dials the crazy up to about 11.
2) The 4th book acts as a reset to begin building the tension back up after all the craziness in the 3rd book.
3) The 4th book has a ton (and I mean a TON) of new characters.
4) Three of the "main" characters of the first three books are nowhere to be seen in book 4.

The 5th book is much better, overall (which I won't discuss).

For the show, they're going to need to smoosh the 4th and 5th books together and then cut that into two halves. There's no way they're going to be able to do a season with no Tyrion and no Daenerys.
 
2012-11-06 03:10:23 PM  

NeoCortex42: Her storyline was the biggest waste of time for most of the season. They just really didn't have much for her to do.


Get used to it
 
2012-11-06 03:25:36 PM  

NicoFinn: TheAnvil: Why on earth don't you guys like b00bs? What the hell is wrong with you?

 
2012-11-06 03:37:44 PM  
Subby: You know how I know you're gay? You've been cast in Game of Thrones

And you're playing the chubby somewhat flamboyant character who waves his hands about a lot.
 
2012-11-06 03:45:04 PM  
I liked first season better than second. Too much talking in second and too little action. Reminds me of the direction Sopranos took. And starting to be too many storylines. Also, too much unnecessary nudity/ sex like the guy telling some story while the two chicks are going at it. If I want to watch sex, I heard there is some on the internet. Still, not much better out there so I'll keep watching.
 
2012-11-06 03:45:08 PM  
Not to be "that guy" (don't you hate that guy?) but there's a sweet subreddit for got and asoiaf. Be careful going to asoiaf. its for those that have read the books.
 
2012-11-06 03:52:56 PM  

The Downfall: SPOILER SPOILER OF FUTURE PREDICTION THEORY

The "snow" is Jon Snow, the true heir, as he is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. The dragon has 3 heads. Ned Stark's promise to his dying sister. She died in childbirth.(bed of blood) No way in hell that Jon is Ned's son. Jon Snow will be on the Iron Throne in the end.


I have my own competing theory. While it's a lock and load that Lyanna is Jon's mom, I'm not so sure about Rhaegar. I think Lyanna was enough of a free-spirit that she definitely would have made out with Robert before deciding that he could never be faithful to one woman. So she might have run off while pregnant. Just keep thinking about Jon's black hair.

It also makes more sense if he hooks up with Dany at the end -- she'll represent the Targaryens and Jon will represent both the Baratheon line and the Starks. (Another three heads if you will).
 
2012-11-06 03:53:38 PM  

The Downfall: Cythraul: NeoCortex42: Cythraul: It's really hard to play favorites on this show. Even the blonde haired Targaryon girl, who was starting to get a bit stale, started to get her mojo back by the end of the second season.

Her storyline was the biggest waste of time for most of the season. They just really didn't have much for her to do.
Also,
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x600]

Too bad we didn't get to see the visions in the tower from the book. Although I guess that would have been difficult to show in the series while still being vague enough to not give things away.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'visions in the tower' since I have not read the books. But she does go to the warlock tower.

[spoilers below]

[spoilers below]

[spoilers below]

She goes to the warlock tower to get her dragons back, and there she sees a vision of the throne room with the roof all melted away and snow falling in through the now opened ceiling. I"m assuming this is foreshadowing that she might raise her dragons, and assault the capital city (which I can't remember the name of). Is this one of those visions that you're thinking of?

If not, I guess I don't want to know exactly what you mean. I'd rather not read the books and keep season 3 unspoiled.


SPOILER SPOILER OF FUTURE PREDICTION THEORY

The "snow" is Jon Snow, the true heir, as he is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. The dragon has 3 heads. Ned Stark's promise to his dying sister. She died in childbirth.(bed of blood) No way in hell that Jon is Ned's son. Jon Snow will be on the Iron Throne in the end.


Sorry, no. Read the 5th book.
 
2012-11-06 03:55:25 PM  

lantawa: NicoFinn: TheAnvil: Why on earth don't you guys like b00bs? What the hell is wrong with you?


I don't think they don't like boobs. I think their point is the boobs are not a necessary part of the story and seem to be randomly tossed in, either for pure titillation (heheh...) or to attract the short attention span, sex/violence crowd.

Now, while I see and appreciate that point, I happen to disagree. I don't feel like the boobs distract from the over all story. Do I feel like they might be gratuitous? Maybe, but it's HBO...they aren't remaking Citizen Kane.

This is a channel that brings you sexy vampires, sexy gladiators, sexy Agent Mulder and Real Sex. A little T&A sells, as everyone knows, and if tossing some lesbians behind Littlefinger while he talks attracts a few more viewers so they can keep making the show, well I for one am willing to make the sacrifice of watching hot chicks make out.

Now, my view might be different if I thought the show wasn't brilliant in its own right. If it was a crappy show and the T&A was the only redeeming quality, then yeah, maybe I could see being disappointed. But I'd probably stop watching if that we're the case. As it is, I don't mind what some consider gratuitous T&A in an otherwise great show.
 
2012-11-06 03:59:09 PM  

stupiddream: The Downfall: Cythraul: NeoCortex42: Cythraul: It's really hard to play favorites on this show. Even the blonde haired Targaryon girl, who was starting to get a bit stale, started to get her mojo back by the end of the second season.

Her storyline was the biggest waste of time for most of the season. They just really didn't have much for her to do.
Also,
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x600]

Too bad we didn't get to see the visions in the tower from the book. Although I guess that would have been difficult to show in the series while still being vague enough to not give things away.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'visions in the tower' since I have not read the books. But she does go to the warlock tower.

[spoilers below]

[spoilers below]

[spoilers below]

She goes to the warlock tower to get her dragons back, and there she sees a vision of the throne room with the roof all melted away and snow falling in through the now opened ceiling. I"m assuming this is foreshadowing that she might raise her dragons, and assault the capital city (which I can't remember the name of). Is this one of those visions that you're thinking of?

If not, I guess I don't want to know exactly what you mean. I'd rather not read the books and keep season 3 unspoiled.


SPOILER SPOILER OF FUTURE PREDICTION THEORY

The "snow" is Jon Snow, the true heir, as he is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. The dragon has 3 heads. Ned Stark's promise to his dying sister. She died in childbirth.(bed of blood) No way in hell that Jon is Ned's son. Jon Snow will be on the Iron Throne in the end.

Sorry, no. Read the 5th book.


Remember the prediction "A man turn into a wolf and back again"
 
2012-11-06 03:59:29 PM  

stupiddream: Sorry, no. Read the 5th book.


Re-read the entire series. There's more than enough evidence (and more than one way) for Jon to... get things done.
 
2012-11-06 04:07:12 PM  

stupiddream: Sorry, no. Read the 5th book.


MAJOR SPOILERS: Do not read if you haven't read book 5!! You have been warned.

Do you think he actually dies, or will be miraculously saved in book 6?
 
2012-11-06 04:15:08 PM  

js34603: Now, my view might be different if I thought the show wasn't brilliant in its own right


It IS a really good show, isn't it? Haven't read the books, and probably won't. Got too much going on IRL. But yes, it's really good.
 
2012-11-06 04:19:15 PM  

Isuldirs: stupiddream: Sorry, no. Read the 5th book.

MAJOR SPOILERS: Do not read if you haven't read book 5!! You have been warned.

Do you think he actually dies, or will be miraculously saved in book 6?


Saved, there's way to much foreshadowing about him to just die off AND the whole "man turned into a wolf and back again" vision Melisandre sees. On top of Melisandre being a red preist who can bring people back and the whole prologue being devoted to wargs living through their animals when they die.
 
2012-11-06 04:24:12 PM  

shortymac: Saved, there's way to much foreshadowing about him to just die off AND the whole "man turned into a wolf and back again" vision Melisandre sees. On top of Melisandre being a red preist who can bring people back and the whole prologue being devoted to wargs living through their animals when they die.


Agreed.
 
2012-11-06 04:26:31 PM  
Obviously none of you watched Spartacus on Showtime.
 
2012-11-06 04:28:35 PM  
Damn, I guessed "Your penis tastes like shiate."
 
I feel like I wasted my degree.  Clown College taught me NOTHING!
 
2012-11-06 04:42:17 PM  

lantawa: NicoFinn: TheAnvil: Why on earth don't you guys like b00bs? What the hell is wrong with you?


There's plenty of farking in the books and I read them. The nudity in the show is gratuitous and superfluous to the overall plot. They're cutting enough as it is, I don't need to see Stannis farking Melisandre. That just muddles their relationship.

SNL's explanation
 
2012-11-06 04:43:18 PM  

stupiddream: The Downfall: Cythraul: NeoCortex42: Cythraul: It's really hard to play favorites on this show. Even the blonde haired Targaryon girl, who was starting to get a bit stale, started to get her mojo back by the end of the second season.

Her storyline was the biggest waste of time for most of the season. They just really didn't have much for her to do.
Also,
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x600]

Too bad we didn't get to see the visions in the tower from the book. Although I guess that would have been difficult to show in the series while still being vague enough to not give things away.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'visions in the tower' since I have not read the books. But she does go to the warlock tower.

[spoilers below]

[spoilers below]

[spoilers below]

She goes to the warlock tower to get her dragons back, and there she sees a vision of the throne room with the roof all melted away and snow falling in through the now opened ceiling. I"m assuming this is foreshadowing that she might raise her dragons, and assault the capital city (which I can't remember the name of). Is this one of those visions that you're thinking of?

If not, I guess I don't want to know exactly what you mean. I'd rather not read the books and keep season 3 unspoiled.


SPOILER SPOILER OF FUTURE PREDICTION THEORY

The "snow" is Jon Snow, the true heir, as he is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. The dragon has 3 heads. Ned Stark's promise to his dying sister. She died in childbirth.(bed of blood) No way in hell that Jon is Ned's son. Jon Snow will be on the Iron Throne in the end.

Sorry, no. Read the 5th book.


SPOILERS


Dude, why do you think GGRM had the prologue of ADWD be about Varamyr(sp?) Six Skins warging into an animal once his human body died? For shiats and giggles? Reread the 5th book.
 
2012-11-06 04:46:02 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Cythraul: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Cythraul: whizbangthedirtfarmer: So, having watched only the first season, is it official that the show has jumped the shark, or is it still of decent quality?

Jumped the shark, from what? Hiring this guy to play a 'cameo?' I doubt it. But if you liked the first season, you should definitely watch the second.

Hrmm...did they at least cool it with the bewbs? I like 'em as much as the next (straight) guy, but, goodness, it was pretty excessive in some of the episodes.

/sexposition

This is one of my few complaints, the near constant need to show nudity by the director(s). I've even heard there were scenes of gratuitous nudity in the television series that weren't even written in the book. I don't think it's been toned down much in the second season, but the writing, acting, and direction are so well done, it becomes a minor issue that I can overlook.

Yes, the scene with Littlefinger talking about his past while two lesbians going at it in the background was completely egregious and over the top. An occasional situational nudity or some reason behind it is fine, but I was worried that the writers/directors were looking for filler material.


THIS.

I tried to get my GF into the show, unfortunately she sat down for 5 minutes with me as this episode premiered. She gave me a look of 'what the fark' and walked out. Took her friends to convince her that it wasn't straight softcore.  Bad timing.
 
2012-11-06 05:12:52 PM  
That one guy on the show is kinda short.
 
2012-11-06 05:23:27 PM  

Hector Remarkable: That one guy on the show is kinda short.


It's not his fault, they had to recast the Mountain after the original actor went to go do the Hobbit. :)
 
2012-11-06 05:29:26 PM  

R Kelly's Doo Doo Butter: that other important wedding that happens to feature a shiat load of performers.


I think it would be great if they got genuinely famous singers in the Celtic/Medieval sort of styles for that episode.

/And now, Loreena McKennitt for 25 seconds of The Rains of Castamere
//And now, Blackmore's Night for 14.5 seconds of The Rains of Castamere
///And now, members of Celtic Thunder for 32 seconds of The Rains of Castamere
///And now, the horse chestnut!
 
2012-11-06 05:40:23 PM  

lantawa: js34603: Now, my view might be different if I thought the show wasn't brilliant in its own right

It IS a really good show, isn't it? Haven't read the books, and probably won't. Got too much going on IRL. But yes, it's really good.


Yes it really is excellent. And so are the books, though I can understand why people might not feel like investing the time to read several thousand pages.

/have read the books
//more than once...
 
2012-11-06 05:56:44 PM  
i.huffpost.com
 
2012-11-06 06:17:37 PM  
GoT Parody - http://youtu.be/rapo0h-RDnk

/some spoilers up to the end of season 2
 
2012-11-06 06:37:08 PM  

Hector Remarkable: That one guy on the show is kinda short.


Call me elf one more time! He's an angry elf!...
 
2012-11-06 06:58:51 PM  
A marching drummer of some sort for the wildlings would have been my first guess
 
2012-11-06 07:24:22 PM  

NeoCortex42: Cythraul: It's really hard to play favorites on this show. Even the blonde haired Targaryon girl, who was starting to get a bit stale, started to get her mojo back by the end of the second season.

Her storyline was the biggest waste of time for most of the season. They just really didn't have much for her to do.
Also,


Too bad we didn't get to see the visions in the tower from the book. Although I guess that would have been difficult to show in the series while still being vague enough to not give things away.


Her character and most anything relating to her is damned boring.
 
2012-11-06 07:52:22 PM  

boochini: stupiddream: The Downfall: Cythraul: NeoCortex42: Cythraul: It's really hard to play favorites on this show. Even the blonde haired Targaryon girl, who was starting to get a bit stale, started to get her mojo back by the end of the second season.

Her storyline was the biggest waste of time for most of the season. They just really didn't have much for her to do.
Also,
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x600]

Too bad we didn't get to see the visions in the tower from the book. Although I guess that would have been difficult to show in the series while still being vague enough to not give things away.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'visions in the tower' since I have not read the books. But she does go to the warlock tower.

[spoilers below]

[spoilers below]

[spoilers below]

She goes to the warlock tower to get her dragons back, and there she sees a vision of the throne room with the roof all melted away and snow falling in through the now opened ceiling. I"m assuming this is foreshadowing that she might raise her dragons, and assault the capital city (which I can't remember the name of). Is this one of those visions that you're thinking of?

If not, I guess I don't want to know exactly what you mean. I'd rather not read the books and keep season 3 unspoiled.


SPOILER SPOILER OF FUTURE PREDICTION THEORY

The "snow" is Jon Snow, the true heir, as he is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. The dragon has 3 heads. Ned Stark's promise to his dying sister. She died in childbirth.(bed of blood) No way in hell that Jon is Ned's son. Jon Snow will be on the Iron Throne in the end.

Sorry, no. Read the 5th book.

SPOILERS


Dude, why do you think GGRM had the prologue of ADWD be about Varamyr(sp?) Six Skins warging into an animal once his human body died? For shiats and giggles? Reread the 5th book.


And his wolf....

Jon's Ghost.
 
2012-11-06 09:15:31 PM  

boochini: Looks like we have our drummer for the Red Wedding...


Exactly what I was thinking. Except in the book, the band was supposed to be horrible at playing musi.... never mind.
 
2012-11-07 12:24:29 AM  

midigod: whizbangthedirtfarmer: They were better written than most American fantasy, but they swung between fully-fleshed, real characters, cardboard cutouts, sex scenes, long descriptions of feasts, more sex scenes, and, oh, there's a few people getting killed.

Yeah, I hated Hamlet too.


The Game of Thrones books are horribly overrated. The structure is a mess, and he needs an editor badly. The Mary Sue characters are extremely annoying in spite of the really good characters in the mix. Good fantasy fiction? Sure, but great? No.

GRRM's books work way better as a TV show with b00bies.
 
2012-11-07 08:56:15 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: So, having watched only the first season, is it official that the show has jumped the shark, or is it still of decent quality?


SARK. It's SARK. not SHARK.
;)
awesome show.
Although.. the second season goes from merely hinting at the supernatural to a couple pretty in your face occurrences.
The plot is getting a little fragmented too. I suppose it's POSSIBLE that it could indeed jump the shark in season 3 with that stuff. who knows.
 
2012-11-07 09:14:37 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: So, having watched only the first season, is it official that the show has jumped the shark, or is it still of decent quality?


Jumped the shark how? Do you know what one of the main casts used to do in the 90s?

Link pops
 
2012-11-07 11:51:09 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: So, having watched only the first season, is it official that the show has jumped the shark, or is it still of decent quality?


You misspelled "Jumped the Stark"
 
2012-11-07 12:19:54 PM  

legion_of_doo: The Mary Sue characters are extremely annoying in spite of the really good characters in the mix.


Probably trolling, but if you're going to go there. . . it's not that the characters are good or bad. It's that the bulletproof characters mainly avoid dying by being excruciatingly passive. In A Song of Ice and Fire, a significant victory in the name of progress isn't much more than foreshadowing that yet another busybody is about to die horribly.
 
2012-11-07 08:46:11 PM  

legion_of_doo: Mary Sue


When folks trot out this criticism on a book I instantly know they're full of shiat. Why is this archetype so hard to understand? Point out the successful, loved, muscular tv writer in the cast of characters.
 
2012-11-08 02:18:24 AM  

NicoFinn: TheAnvil: Why on earth don't you guys like b00bs? What the hell is wrong with you?


It's not that I don't like boobies, it's that there's so much plot to cram in to each episode that I don't like losing out on plot so that more tits can be shown. If I want to look at tits, I can look at, oh, I don't know ANYTHING ON THE INTERNET, but where else can I see an adaptation of Martin's books, except on the farking TV show? Pictures/videos of naked women are plentiful compared to REALLY GOOD fantasy television, so naturally I want more good television instead of more soft core gratuitous nudity when I'm trying to watch GOT. I would much rather have had time to see Arya's weasel soup antics (which got cut, and that part of the story rearranged) then more whore tits.

Yes, you heard that right. I would rather watch a prepubescent girl and a dwarf with all their clothes on than naked women......when I'm watching GOT, anyway.
 
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