Wasilla Hillbilly: The point is that home brewing hasn't killed the market and neither would legal home growing, but it definitely could make a huge dent in Mexican and Canadian imports, especially if made legal to sell in stores.

In fact, homebrewing has done quite the opposite. It has increased the beer market, and shifted the market demand to a broader scope of brews. It has induced more interest in beer itself, and the process of making it. There are more active breweries open now than before homebrewing was legal. And that number keeps increasing.

Once (if) MJ is legalized, you'll see a selection in a store much like you see with beer now. There will be the mass produced generic "this'll get you high" cheaper varieties, then there will be more catered strains for specific uses and effects. Even aroma and flavor will be marketable. There will be certain demographics who would grow some at home, just like homebrewers, but they'd mostly likely still buy at least some commercial strains, such as the ones they can't or don't grow at home, just like homebrewers still buy at least some commercial beer. These demographics may grow and shrink, but the fact that both corporate and micro breweries continue to thrive while homebrewing spreads across the country says a lot - mainly that an overwhelming majority don't make their own product(s) at home.

WeenerGord: radarlove: I like ya, WeenerGord, but you've gotta admit, there are people in this thread who know a lot more about growing pot than you do.

I don't need a PHD from Weed University to say that I think natural conditions are best for plants, and that it would be amusing if it grew everywhere like dandelions, which was all it took for the weed snobs to descend on me. You do what you have to do to keep it hidden, and keep profits up, and to brag on yourself and promote your mad skilz to keep profits up, I get it.

Will your profits drop if it does become legal and can be grown outside everywhere?

The price will drop on the quality that gets created from growing outdoor, which is subpar, harsh and dirty due to the growing conditions and simply cannot compete with something grown indoor with perfect conditions. Perfect conditions vs random conditions. Stop talking about this because you dont know anything. Its ok that you are on the same side, but it doesnt remove your stupidity on the subject.

WeenerGord: Are you really so stupid that you think the name makes the product? You think that if a seed with good genetics was planted out of doors, it could not grow as well as some stunted, clipped bonzai mutation, struggling to survive under artificial lights and getting soused with synthetic chemicals?

Yeah, dude, the outdoor grow would probably be quite lively and impressive, but would not likely result in the high-grade smoke that people tend to prefer. Anything's possible, but the best weed comes from constant care, attention, and botanical intelligence. Indoor grows give you control over pretty much all aspects.

I'll be voting YES on 64 later today. I dont smoke (job), but Im all for letting grown ass adults do it if they want.

Grammatik Polizei: Mexican cartels get more cash from heroin and meth. I don't think legalized pot will cut into their take much...

/drtfa

I think that most of their profits are from weed - it's just that heroin and meth are higher margin.

Another benefit is that under legalization, you'd have fewer growers out in parks and reserves ready to shoot innocent campers and hikers.

the money is in the banana stand: One would think that things would also escalate in terms of violent and illegal activity.

Like what happened when alcohol prohibition ended? You might get some sputters and gasps, but going by history - both in the USA and other countries, violence will decrease. They just can't afford it. I'm willing to consider the occasional mobster family going legit and entering politics to be a acceptible consequence.

To put it another way, I see it less of 'flushing rats out of a sewer' and more getting rid of their food. Like pests, get rid of their food/money and they'll eventually move on.

I started smoking in '77 and it wasn't long after that I started growing. Anybody can grow decent weed. Growing EXCELLENT weed requires two things. First and foremost, you need quality genetics. Sure, you can take bag seed from some decent street weed and end up with something better than what you started with, but the real high grade stuff comes from quality genetics. Secondly, you need to be able to provide the proper environment and nutrients in a consistent manner.

Anybody can grow great weed with the proper knowlege, quality genetics and correct environment. It ain't rocket surgery. It does have a learning curve, but like anything, once you've conquered that, it really is easy, though the bigger the grow, the more work and time it requires.

I've smoked the best (and worst!) money can buy. I've grown some of the best (and worst!) a person could hope for, both indoors and out.

That being said, the 2nd best stuff I've ever smoked was grown by me, and was a simple cross I made. I was accused of lacing it with something by several people it was so potent. Good genetics, loving care and a bit of luck.

The absolute best though, was some outdoor grown by an Alabama redneck. Yowza. 

It ain't hard to do, but not everyone has the patience and willingness to learn. I find it easy, but I enjoy doing it and I seem to have a natural knack for it. Then again, I know people that can kill cactus, so it just goes to show growing ain't for everybody.

WeenerGord: santadog: Your ignorance to the industry shows.
That is all.

Whatever, dude. I don't smoke that shiat at all, but I think it should be completely legal world wide. We are on the same side here, and just cos I think natural conditions are best for plants, you gotta pick a fight with me? Sounds like somebody is worried about losing their weed snob job.

We aren't picking a fight with you because you think natural conditions are best. We're telling you that you are uninformed, ignorant, and flat out wrong. You obviously don't know much about the plant itself nor the industry surrounding it.

WeenerGord: radarlove: you damn well better expect people with more experience to correct you

All that I expect, is that no matter what you say on Fark, some assclown may pop up and troll you, and sure enough, it continues to happen.

You sure are full of yourself. Where TF do you get all your imagined "experience"? Do you have a horticultural degree?

You do realize that there are people who chose to educate themselves on subjects that interest them. When it comes to weed, it's very easy to get educated by experts on the subject if you have a proper dealer. You can also get educated by visiting this magical place called the internet, where millions of people go regularly and offer their experiences on a wide variety of subjects.

To be quite honest though, how a plant will turn out is a pretty simple concept. The better the conditions, the better the product. Better soil, lighting, water, nutrients will always beat out natural growing conditions. Natural growing conditions aren't the same where you go around the world, some soil has less nutrients, so you have to supplement while others have things in the soil you don't want, and have to deal with that. With monitored soil, water and everything else, you know your plant is getting the specific requirements for it to thrive.

Don't be mad that there are people here that clearly are educated on this particular subject. If someone started saying a lot of ignorant statements in whatever your field of expertise is, wouldn't you feel compelled to correct them to ensure that they are speaking facts rather than fiction?

WeenerGord: radarlove: I like ya, WeenerGord, but you've gotta admit, there are people in this thread who know a lot more about growing pot than you do.

I don't need a PHD from Weed University to say that I think natural conditions are best for plants, and that it would be amusing if it grew everywhere like dandelions, which was all it took for the weed snobs to descend on me. You do what you have to do to keep it hidden, and keep profits up, and to brag on yourself and promote your mad skilz to keep profits up, I get it.

Will your profits drop if it does become legal and can be grown outside everywhere?

That is where you are wrong when it comes to high potency marijuana. Natural conditions for plants isn't always the best, as there is a lot more work to growing the good stuff. Monitoring PH levels, ensuring that the plant is getting proper nutrients for the certain stages of the growth, making sure that males and females are separated are just a few things to worry about. Using a tomato as an example, which location will produce a better tomato? An indoor farm, with proper watering equipment on a timer to ensure optimal water conditions in the plant with a regulated temperature using high quality soil, or from a farm that uses pesticides, watering is determined on looming temperature conditions and using recycled soil and manure to supplement nutrients?

Sure, you could throw a few seeds in the ground and hope for the best, but odds are you will be left with a plant that is producing no buds, effectively leaving you with a weed in your garden. But if you are lucky enough to plant one successful female, leaving it alone for the most part (watering and such aside) you will be able to have a smokable product, but pales in comparison to a plant grown indoors using a hydroponic setup.

For anybody trying to use the whole 'weed snob' approach, clearly you don't partake, or don't have the options of getting different strains. M39, White Rhino, Freezeline/freezeland, Blueberry all give you different kinds of highs, while also each having their own unique taste. Sure, you can say 'well you are just looking to get high', to which I say 'what kind of high?' Body buzz? Coma? Just a little tweak? There is a lot about weed that you can take into account, don't be mad that you aren't educated enough on the subject to take part, and feel the need to insult people over it.

It will be interesting when monesato gets into the GM pot game. They will probably come up with some low to mid grade stuff optimised for low labour production and start sueing the crap out of any nearby outdoor growers for having thier patented genes in thier crop. It should drive everything indoors. Then they can lobby for insane regulations on greenhouses to shut out most competitors.

Legal pot in the US would cut into the CIA profits.

WeenerGord: SquiggsIN: WeenerGord: scottydoesntknow: Wait, that's right! Most americans pay for the convenience. Growing GOOD cannabis is a science, and most people don't have the time or motivation to dedicate to that.

If it ever does become legal, some hippie liberal Johnny Cannabisseed would prolly throw free seeds down every ditch and embankment and public park in the country, and weed would be as free to all as dandelions are. Wouldn't that be nice?

You must not be a cannabis user. If you were, you'd know there is a world of difference between "ditch weed" and high-end buds.


Yeah, you're right, I don't use any drugs. What's your point, weed snob? My point is that the drug war does more harm than good. Even thought I don't use the stuff, I think the Feds should stop destroying the lives of the people that do.

Are you really so stupid that you think the name makes the product? You think that if a seed with good genetics was planted out of doors, it could not grow as well as some stunted, clipped bonzai mutation, struggling to survive under artificial lights and getting soused with synthetic chemicals?

Cannabinoids are produced on the leaves and buds of the plant in response to harsh conditions; once of the tricks an indoor grower can use is to turn down the temperature just after flowering to force the plant to produce more oils to protect itself. The healthiest plant isn't necessarily the one that produces the best end product. I'm not saying the name makes the product, but with all of the crazy tools available to indoor growers, their plants aren't remotely "struggling to survive", they're purpose-bred and precision monitored.

TeaCozy: It's been many, many years since I've smoked weed. It was never really my thing because it always made me feel a bit paranoid. Back when I was in high school, (I'm old!) I could walk into the girls' bathroom and buy a joint for two bucks. One of my friends (who smoked a lot) was always hitting her mom up for ten bucks to "go to the movies" which she would then spend on a bag of pot. IIRC, there was a good bit of weed in the bag and it was almost always stinky homegrown that she had bought from someone who lived way out in BFE.

How much does it cost now? Do people still buy it by the joint?

If it were to be made legal, do you reckon that it could be grown so that it would be available in different 'strengths'? So that maybe someone like me could buy something to relax without feeling fried? Because if I could get something in mild, I would happily buy it.

Yes. Even now, you can get it at different strengths and different effects. Sativa strains are probably what you'd want...it's a "head" high and not the body high you're talking about which comes more from Indica strains.

But, every body is different and effects can vary slightly.

Once it's legalized, all it takes is one state producing and exporting it in order to bring the prices down nationwide.

Can't wait.

fanbladesaresharp: Y'all want to know just how much weed is grown in California? And the environmental damage after the logging years done? And the cartels that apparently people don't want to admit are already here or get shot?

here ya go:

http://lostcoastoutpost.com/2012/nov/5/aerial-tour-grow-city/

/i live there
//no, not that spot. not that one. might be close to the other one.
///NorCA has a "suburbia" of weed grow ops.

Now compare that with what legally grown crops look like.
If pot's legal a couple of those circles will be out producing that entire area, and a circle is a very small farm (that earns a few hundred thousand/year, at best). The price before any taxes will plummit. Whisky's pretty cheap before the taxes are on it too.

signaljammer: The tobacco and beer analogies are weak, because their production requires lots more equipment and time than weed.

Um, not true. You can make (good) beer at home with nothing but a stock pot, spoon, thermometer, and a bucket. For ales, you can just leave your bucket of fermenting beer in a closet or in your room. Even with brewing all grain, you only have to add a large cooler with a false bottom to that list (can be put together at home for about $50-$80). Yet you need only about 3-4 weeks until the brew is ready to drink.

Growing (good) MJ requires more power, supplies, and time. Hell, flowering alone will take an average minimum of 2 months.

WeenerGord: scottydoesntknow: Wait, that's right! Most americans pay for the convenience. Growing GOOD cannabis is a science, and most people don't have the time or motivation to dedicate to that.

If it ever does become legal, some hippie liberal Johnny Cannabisseed would prolly throw free seeds down every ditch and embankment and public park in the country, and weed would be as free to all as dandelions are. Wouldn't that be nice?

You must not be a cannabis user. If you were, you'd know there is a world of difference between "ditch weed" and high-end buds.

Am I the only one who finds it funny that Mexico is basically saying that 3 states in the US account for THIRTY PERCENT of the pot the cartels send up?

Way to represent Oregon/Washington/Colorado! USA! USA! USA!

Growing cannabis plants is easy. They grow like a "weed" and are adapted to life on this planet quite well. Growing high-quality (FEMALE ONLY) plants for recreational use is anything but easy.

The tobacco and beer analogies are weak, because their production requires lots more equipment and time than weed. Funny, people here who shout that growing weed is a mini-Manhattan-project never seem to describe the intricacies they allude to.

//wee bit harder than tomatoes
//emphasis on wee

vudukungfu : everything you said is accurate except the 2 plants = 1 year supply part. Look at places where cannabis is grown legally and they are not getting those yields even with the best methods. Most plants aren't going to get you more than an ounce or a few at most. Even the highest quality cannabis can be consumed at rates of an ounce a week or more. (I have a cousin that burns about a half an ounce a day)

Just like brewing your own beer or wine, with legalized cannabis there will be ridiculous regulations preventing the sale or transfer to other parties. Most people will seek distributors for the convenience factor. However, just like microbrewers/vintners, there will always be connoisseurs who see their products as an art form and would want to grow their own.

vudukungfu: scottydoesntknow: Just like how everyone is already a farmer and brewer and never buys anything that can grow out of the ground or sold in the beer aisle.

.

Here in Vermont, most people I hang with brew their own.

You're losing this one, buddy. Sorry.

vudukungfu:
Two plant will get an adult through a full year of personal use, and gifts to friends.


Boo farking hoo.


2 plants? umm.. no it won't get a regular user through a year.

So much Derp every legalize Pot thread.
Bottom line is: If you legalize it, anyone can grow their own stash.
If you can't, then you suck at gardening.
Two plant will get an adult through a full year of personal use, and gifts to friends.
No one will make any money outside of a few light fixture sales folks.
And the government (bought and paid for by Monsanto, Dow, Pfiser, etc, etc, ) doesn't like it.
Not one bit.
No money for them.

Boo farking hoo.

stuffy: Who do you think spent a shiat ton of money to kill California's pot legalization .

California Physicians Association?
Every pharmaceutical company with a U.S. presence?
Law enforcement agencies who depend on drug war funding and have grown accustomed to enriching themselves with the seizure of money and property from drug "offenders"?
any one of the dozens of companies that profits from increased incarceration via the drug war?

The Mormon Church in on that like gay marriage too? )

Paris1127:
/legalize gay marijuana?

Absolutely, we should all be allowed to smoke whatever we choose - from weed to pole.

Mexican cartels get more cash from heroin and meth. I don't think legalized pot will cut into their take much...

/drtfa