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2012-11-06 08:46:31 AM
Maybe it's not too late to save Hostess
 
2012-11-06 09:51:40 AM
Obvious tag get the munchies?
 
2012-11-06 10:07:46 AM
If the photo at the top of the article is any indication, legalizing pot is a slippery-slope to gay marriage...
www.gannett-cdn.com

/legalize gay marijuana?
 
2012-11-06 10:13:43 AM
They said, however, that they did not believe that production will rob the cartels of significant profits, saying instead that they thought Mexican drug lords would instead try to participate in legal production inside the U.S.

Except in my experience mexican weed sucks so much. It stinks like ass, has waaaay too many sticks/seeds, and is dryer than an 80-year-old nun. The only reason people purchased mexican brick weed is because it's the only thing available. If (or when) legalized, the cartels would have to seriously ramp up their production/cultivation methods (which increases costs) or watch as every person passes their "Helado y Molta" push cart and goes into a legal herb shop.
 
2012-11-06 12:02:16 PM
We are voting to leagaize pot today ??????????????????

/ didn't get the memo...........
 
2012-11-06 12:03:15 PM

Paris1127: If the photo at the top of the article is any indication, legalizing pot is a slippery-slope to gay marriage...
[www.gannett-cdn.com image 560x422]

/legalize gay marijuana?


First your women start sleeping with jazz men, then your men start sleeping with each other.
 
2012-11-06 12:03:58 PM

Taco Bell strangely silent on the matter


Possibly because Taco Bell is completely unrelated to Mexico?


I know, in the future all restaurants are Taco Bell.
 
2012-11-06 12:05:39 PM
I actually had a pot brownie from an SF dispensary 2 months ago (a buddy gets in on an expired prescription for "back pain").

Holy crap that was strong. I never was into pot because smoking it has little effect on me, but eating it? Honestly, that was like intense. 

CSB, dude.
 
2012-11-06 12:06:27 PM
... Because we're farked up as it is, and having less deaths will at least make it a little bit more tolerable to live here?.
 
2012-11-06 12:07:40 PM
Shut up Mexico, no one wants to smoke your brown weed.
 
2012-11-06 12:10:12 PM

scottydoesntknow: They said, however, that they did not believe that production will rob the cartels of significant profits, saying instead that they thought Mexican drug lords would instead try to participate in legal production inside the U.S.

Except in my experience mexican weed sucks so much. It stinks like ass, has waaaay too many sticks/seeds, and is dryer than an 80-year-old nun. The only reason people purchased mexican brick weed is because it's the only thing available. If (or when) legalized, the cartels would have to seriously ramp up their production/cultivation methods (which increases costs) or watch as every person passes their "Helado y Molta" push cart and goes into a legal herb shop.


Apparently they already have. I've seen articles from up and down the west coast about both Asian and Mexican gangs/cartels operating indoor high end grow ops.
 
2012-11-06 12:10:16 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Taco Bell strangely silent on the matter


Possibly because Taco Bell is completely unrelated to Mexico?


I know, in the future all restaurants are Taco Bell.


Nah man, it's becuz stoopid stoners spend all their money on the weed and can only afford Taco Bell to quell their munchies.
 
2012-11-06 12:11:03 PM

SirEattonHogg: I actually had a pot brownie from an SF dispensary 2 months ago (a buddy gets in on an expired prescription for "back pain").

Holy crap that was strong. I never was into pot because smoking it has little effect on me, but eating it? Honestly, that was like intense. 

CSB, dude.


I am the same way I have smoked it and just got tired and thats it woke up with a headache. But eat it and jeebus.
 
2012-11-06 12:12:03 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Shut up Mexico, no one wants to smoke your brown weed.


Then why the hell so much money and guns pour down from the US?.
 
2012-11-06 12:12:59 PM

davidphogan: scottydoesntknow: They said, however, that they did not believe that production will rob the cartels of significant profits, saying instead that they thought Mexican drug lords would instead try to participate in legal production inside the U.S.

Except in my experience mexican weed sucks so much. It stinks like ass, has waaaay too many sticks/seeds, and is dryer than an 80-year-old nun. The only reason people purchased mexican brick weed is because it's the only thing available. If (or when) legalized, the cartels would have to seriously ramp up their production/cultivation methods (which increases costs) or watch as every person passes their "Helado y Molta" push cart and goes into a legal herb shop.

Apparently they already have. I've seen articles from up and down the west coast about both Asian and Mexican gangs/cartels operating indoor high end grow ops.


And, the Russian Mafia is also doing business with the Zetas.
 
2012-11-06 12:16:22 PM
Mexican pot grows in the Northwest is the main reason I hike in the woods openly armed. They are everywhere out here.

/know your producer
 
2012-11-06 12:16:52 PM
Mexican cartels get more cash from heroin and meth. I don't think legalized pot will cut into their take much...

/drtfa
 
2012-11-06 12:17:03 PM
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2012-11-06 12:11:03 PM
SirEattonHogg: I actually had a pot brownie from an SF dispensary 2 months ago (a buddy gets in on an expired prescription for "back pain").

Holy crap that was strong. I never was into pot because smoking it has little effect on me, but eating it? Honestly, that was like intense.

CSB, dude.

I am the same way I have smoked it and just got tired and thats it woke up with a headache. But eat it and jeebus.


I'm the same - minus the headache. Eating it threw me for such a loop I actually had to tell my buddy that I was a bit freaked out. I didn't expect it at all. Thank goodness I didn't eat the whole brownie.
 
2012-11-06 12:20:38 PM

BSABSVR: Paris1127: If the photo at the top of the article is any indication, legalizing pot is a slippery-slope to gay marriage...
[www.gannett-cdn.com image 560x422]

/legalize gay marijuana?

First your women start sleeping with jazz men, then your men start sleeping with each other.


Sounds like the start of a great party to me!
 
2012-11-06 12:21:09 PM
Paris1127:
/legalize gay marijuana?

Absolutely, we should all be allowed to smoke whatever we choose - from weed to pole.
 
2012-11-06 12:22:40 PM
Who do you think spent a shiat ton of money to kill California's pot legalization .
 
2012-11-06 12:26:28 PM

stuffy: Who do you think spent a shiat ton of money to kill California's pot legalization .


California Physicians Association?
Every pharmaceutical company with a U.S. presence?
Law enforcement agencies who depend on drug war funding and have grown accustomed to enriching themselves with the seizure of money and property from drug "offenders"?
any one of the dozens of companies that profits from increased incarceration via the drug war?

The Mormon Church in on that like gay marriage too? )
 
2012-11-06 12:27:01 PM
Taco Bell has nothing to do with mexican food, stoned subby.
 
2012-11-06 12:31:18 PM
So much Derp every legalize Pot thread.
Bottom line is: If you legalize it, anyone can grow their own stash.
If you can't, then you suck at gardening.
Two plant will get an adult through a full year of personal use, and gifts to friends.
No one will make any money outside of a few light fixture sales folks.
And the government (bought and paid for by Monsanto, Dow, Pfiser, etc, etc, ) doesn't like it.
Not one bit.
No money for them.

Boo farking hoo.
 
2012-11-06 12:31:35 PM
I'm in Colorado and votes for it.

Don't have time to smoke, but TWOD needs to end and this is a good first step.
 
2012-11-06 12:32:08 PM

Grammatik Polizei: Mexican cartels get more cash from heroin and meth. I don't think legalized pot will cut into their take much...

/drtfa


They get 40-50% of their total from pot from what I've read. They'll still be big orgs, but it would take a big bite out. And if some states legalize pot, and *gasp* nothing changes, maybe people will be more open to taking a look at our drug laws in a more general way.
 
2012-11-06 12:34:06 PM
I think once (if) pot is nationally legalized, then the cartels will surely struggle in that market.
 
2012-11-06 12:34:41 PM

CygnusDarius: CapeFearCadaver: Shut up Mexico, no one wants to smoke your brown weed.

Then why the hell so much money and guns pour down from the US?.


Don't ask me, I'm just a pothead.
 
2012-11-06 12:34:46 PM
vudukungfu:
Two plant will get an adult through a full year of personal use, and gifts to friends.


Boo farking hoo.


2 plants? umm.. no it won't get a regular user through a year.
 
2012-11-06 12:35:37 PM
Maybe I should read the article, but I'm guessing it has something to do with dead Mexicans.
 
2012-11-06 12:36:42 PM

vudukungfu: So much Derp every legalize Pot thread.
Bottom line is: If you legalize it, anyone can grow their own stash.
If you can't, then you suck at gardening.
Two plant will get an adult through a full year of personal use, and gifts to friends.
No one will make any money outside of a few light fixture sales folks.
And the government (bought and paid for by Monsanto, Dow, Pfiser, etc, etc, ) doesn't like it.
Not one bit.
No money for them.

Boo farking hoo.


Just like how everyone is already a farmer and brewer and never buys anything that can grow out of the ground or sold in the beer aisle.

Wait, that's right! Most americans pay for the convenience. Growing GOOD cannabis is a science, and most people don't have the time or motivation to dedicate to that.
 
2012-11-06 12:36:58 PM

SquiggsIN:
2 plants? umm.. no it won't get a regular user through a year.


Either you're chronic, or you grow bonsai weed.
 
2012-11-06 12:37:09 PM
Good one submitter. I got a good laugh out of the Taco Bell comment.
 
2012-11-06 12:37:30 PM
That choice will lead to a loss of $1.425 billion to the cartels if Colorado legalizes, $1.372 billion if Washington approves the ballot measure, and $1.839 billion if Oregon votes yes, the study says.

Woohoo, Oregon wins!

/Do we smoke the most pot or something?
 
2012-11-06 12:38:15 PM

vudukungfu: So much Derp every legalize Pot thread.
Bottom line is: If you legalize it, anyone can grow their own stash.
If you can't, then you suck at gardening.
Two plant will get an adult through a full year of personal use, and gifts to friends.

In other words, "I've never grown pot."

 
2012-11-06 12:38:21 PM

scottydoesntknow: Just like how everyone is already a farmer and brewer and never buys anything that can grow out of the ground or sold in the beer aisle.

.


Here in Vermont, most people I hang with brew their own.
 
2012-11-06 12:41:44 PM

vudukungfu: scottydoesntknow: Just like how everyone is already a farmer and brewer and never buys anything that can grow out of the ground or sold in the beer aisle.

.

Here in Vermont, most people I hang with brew their own.


You're losing this one, buddy. Sorry.
 
2012-11-06 12:43:42 PM

Grammatik Polizei: Mexican cartels get more cash from heroin and meth. I don't think legalized pot will cut into their take much...

/drtfa


I think that most of their profits are from weed - it's just that heroin and meth are higher margin.

Another benefit is that under legalization, you'd have fewer growers out in parks and reserves ready to shoot innocent campers and hikers.
 
2012-11-06 12:44:28 PM

lewismarktwo: Englebert Slaptyback: Taco Bell strangely silent on the matter


Possibly because Taco Bell is completely unrelated to Mexico?


I know, in the future all restaurants are Taco Bell.

Nah man, it's becuz stoopid stoners spend all their money on the weed and can only afford Taco Bell to quell their munchies.


And smart stoners know how to get their weed for free and don't have to resort to *gag* taco hell.
 
2012-11-06 12:44:50 PM

vudukungfu: scottydoesntknow: Just like how everyone is already a farmer and brewer and never buys anything that can grow out of the ground or sold in the beer aisle.

.

Here in Vermont, most people I hang with brew their own.


And that anecdotal evidence definitely translates to the entire population. That's why Anheuser-Busch is close to bankruptcy, all those home brewers....
 
2012-11-06 12:45:02 PM
The point is that home brewing hasn't killed the market and neither would legal home growing, but it definitely could make a huge dent in Mexican and Canadian imports, especially if made legal to sell in stores.
 
2012-11-06 12:45:52 PM
Mexico doesn't want weed to be legal any more than the US does. It's too profitable while it's contraband
 
2012-11-06 12:46:02 PM
vudukungfu : everything you said is accurate except the 2 plants = 1 year supply part. Look at places where cannabis is grown legally and they are not getting those yields even with the best methods. Most plants aren't going to get you more than an ounce or a few at most. Even the highest quality cannabis can be consumed at rates of an ounce a week or more. (I have a cousin that burns about a half an ounce a day)

Just like brewing your own beer or wine, with legalized cannabis there will be ridiculous regulations preventing the sale or transfer to other parties. Most people will seek distributors for the convenience factor. However, just like microbrewers/vintners, there will always be connoisseurs who see their products as an art form and would want to grow their own.
 
2012-11-06 12:46:17 PM

vudukungfu: So much Derp every legalize Pot thread.
Bottom line is: If you legalize it, anyone can grow their own stash.
If you can't, then you suck at gardening.
Two plant will get an adult through a full year of personal use, and gifts to friends.
No one will make any money outside of a few light fixture sales folks.
And the government (bought and paid for by Monsanto, Dow, Pfiser, etc, etc, ) doesn't like it.
Not one bit.
No money for them.

Boo farking hoo.


I live in Colorado. Right now "almost" anyone can grow their own stashes, and they / I don't. Anyone can grow "weed", not everyone can grow quality Med Mar. How many people grow their own tobacco? Anyone can grow tobacco.. but they don't.
I consume an ounce a month, so your "two plant" per person isn't realistic by any serious user.
Soon, you will hear the term "Big Marijuana".
 
2012-11-06 12:47:57 PM
What remains to be seen is how it would effective the prices. I suspect the high end stuff would remain about the same with huge influxes of lesser grade for very cheap. If a big enough difference, you might see alot more bubble hash and such around.
 
2012-11-06 12:50:27 PM

SquiggsIN: (I have a cousin that burns about a half an ounce a day)


I find that hard to believe. 14 grams a day? Does he do anything besides chain smoke one after the other?
 
2012-11-06 12:52:01 PM

Wasilla Hillbilly: What remains to be seen is how it would effective the prices. I suspect the high end stuff would remain about the same with huge influxes of lesser grade for very cheap. If a big enough difference, you might see alot more bubble hash and such around.


Lived in Austin, Texas.. and now in Colorado. When I moved here in 2006, an ounce was the same price as in Austin for good quality bud (around $400). Now, I can get an ounce for $175.00 and it's better than the Texas variety. Prices didn't drop in Austin. We see a ton of hash here.
 
2012-11-06 12:52:35 PM

Strik3r: We are voting to leagaize pot today ??????????????????

/ didn't get the memo...........


Make sure to vote twice.
 
2012-11-06 12:53:21 PM

santadog: I consume an ounce a month,


That's. . . a lot.
Soon you will have MASD telling you you're chronic.
Just like if you drink more than one beer in a lifetime.
 
2012-11-06 12:55:07 PM

Paris1127: If the photo at the top of the article is any indication, legalizing pot is a slippery-slope to gay marriage...
[www.gannett-cdn.com image 560x422]

/legalize gay marijuana?



You know what they say: Once they go hermaphrodite-

You've got seeds.
 
2012-11-06 12:55:59 PM

Wasilla Hillbilly: The point is that home brewing hasn't killed the market and neither would legal home growing, but it definitely could make a huge dent in Mexican and Canadian imports, especially if made legal to sell in stores.


In fact, homebrewing has done quite the opposite. It has increased the beer market, and shifted the market demand to a broader scope of brews. It has induced more interest in beer itself, and the process of making it. There are more active breweries open now than before homebrewing was legal. And that number keeps increasing.

Once (if) MJ is legalized, you'll see a selection in a store much like you see with beer now. There will be the mass produced generic "this'll get you high" cheaper varieties, then there will be more catered strains for specific uses and effects. Even aroma and flavor will be marketable. There will be certain demographics who would grow some at home, just like homebrewers, but they'd mostly likely still buy at least some commercial strains, such as the ones they can't or don't grow at home, just like homebrewers still buy at least some commercial beer. These demographics may grow and shrink, but the fact that both corporate and micro breweries continue to thrive while homebrewing spreads across the country says a lot - mainly that an overwhelming majority don't make their own product(s) at home.
 
2012-11-06 12:56:48 PM

vudukungfu: santadog: I consume an ounce a month,

That's. . . a lot.
Soon you will have MASD telling you you're chronic.
Just like if you drink more than one beer in a lifetime.


It's not really. I'm a light weight in many circles.

/Spinal fusion L4/L5, chronic nerve pain.
 
2012-11-06 12:56:50 PM

SquiggsIN: Just like brewing your own beer or wine, with legalized cannabis there will be ridiculous regulations preventing the sale or transfer to other parties. Most people will seek distributors for the convenience factor. However, just like microbrewers/vintners, there will always be connoisseurs who see their products as an art form and would want to grow their own.


santadog: I live in Colorado. Right now "almost" anyone can grow their own stashes, and they / I don't. Anyone can grow "weed", not everyone can grow quality Med Mar. How many people grow their own tobacco? Anyone can grow tobacco.. but they don't.


Sorta, but people tend to miss the big point about marijuana. Achieving high end yields is really only particularly difficult when you're trying to hide it. If you were allowed to fence it off in your yard like your tomatoes, it's actually EASIER than tomatoes. It's the control needed for stealth and tight areas and producing a lot all at once that's hard. If it was legal, anyone could pick up a flat of marijuana seedlings at Lowes or Home Depot and produce regular quantities of sufficiently potent smokable marijuana. Most people won't bother to for the same reason as growing lettuce or tomatoes, NOT tobacco. Tobacco you actually need a reasonable amount of space to grow sufficient vegetative matter and reduce it down by drying. A decent size vegetable garden produce copious amounts of marijuana with only a couple plants, if you were allowed to let the things get to six feet tall and six feet wide.

Sure, people will always be able to produce denser, tastier, and more potent buds if they know what they are doing, but if I could replace my cherry tomatoes in my backyard with a marijuana bush of similar size, I could probably supply the entire neighborhood, and that's going to be "sufficient" for a lot of people.
 
2012-11-06 12:58:39 PM

scottydoesntknow: SquiggsIN: (I have a cousin that burns about a half an ounce a day)

I find that hard to believe. 14 grams a day? Does he do anything besides chain smoke one after the other?


To go through that much he's probably vaporizing large quantities of crappier weed.
 
2012-11-06 12:59:15 PM

vudukungfu: santadog: I consume an ounce a month,

That's. . . a lot.
Soon you will have MASD telling you you're chronic.
Just like if you drink more than one beer in a lifetime.


Even if I have the funds I've never been able to go more than a quarter a month.
Damnit, these threads always pop up when I'm in between paychecks :(
 
2012-11-06 01:00:39 PM

santadog: Wasilla Hillbilly: What remains to be seen is how it would effective the prices. I suspect the high end stuff would remain about the same with huge influxes of lesser grade for very cheap. If a big enough difference, you might see alot more bubble hash and such around.

Lived in Austin, Texas.. and now in Colorado. When I moved here in 2006, an ounce was the same price as in Austin for good quality bud (around $400). Now, I can get an ounce for $175.00 and it's better than the Texas variety. Prices didn't drop in Austin. We see a ton of hash here.


Interesting. Don't know why but I find it surprising that it would go that low. I guess when people are willing to spend upwards of $20-30 a gram for the best available even in semi-decrim areas, I would expect sellers to find a way to exploit that even if fully legalized. There's always someone willing to pay top dollar for whatever is considered the best or trendy. Similar to champagne.
 
2012-11-06 01:02:10 PM
Y'all want to know just how much weed is grown in California? And the environmental damage after the logging years done? And the cartels that apparently people don't want to admit are already here or get shot?

here ya go:

http://lostcoastoutpost.com/2012/nov/5/aerial-tour-grow-city/

/i live there
//no, not that spot. not that one. might be close to the other one.
///NorCA has a "suburbia" of weed grow ops.
 
2012-11-06 01:02:32 PM
Just some clarification, at least on the Washington initiative. Growing your own will still be illegal, the whole point of the initiative is to get more tax money. You'll need to but it from a licensed retailer. All the old penalties still apply for home growing.

By the way, if it does pass, I give it two years before Big Tobacco completely shuts down the small mom and pop sellers and has a monopoly on sales. I have a feeling they've been preparing for this for some time.
 
2012-11-06 01:02:34 PM
i47.tinypic.com

It isn't legal?
 
2012-11-06 01:02:35 PM

santadog:
It's not really. I'm a light weight in many circles.

/Spinal fusion L4/L5, chronic nerve pain.


Which is why it should be free and legal.
Farking Feds are not the American people.
 
2012-11-06 01:02:47 PM

Mr Guy: SquiggsIN: Just like brewing your own beer or wine, with legalized cannabis there will be ridiculous regulations preventing the sale or transfer to other parties. Most people will seek distributors for the convenience factor. However, just like microbrewers/vintners, there will always be connoisseurs who see their products as an art form and would want to grow their own.

santadog: I live in Colorado. Right now "almost" anyone can grow their own stashes, and they / I don't. Anyone can grow "weed", not everyone can grow quality Med Mar. How many people grow their own tobacco? Anyone can grow tobacco.. but they don't.

Sorta, but people tend to miss the big point about marijuana. Achieving high end yields is really only particularly difficult when you're trying to hide it. If you were allowed to fence it off in your yard like your tomatoes, it's actually EASIER than tomatoes. It's the control needed for stealth and tight areas and producing a lot all at once that's hard. If it was legal, anyone could pick up a flat of marijuana seedlings at Lowes or Home Depot and produce regular quantities of sufficiently potent smokable marijuana. Most people won't bother to for the same reason as growing lettuce or tomatoes, NOT tobacco. Tobacco you actually need a reasonable amount of space to grow sufficient vegetative matter and reduce it down by drying. A decent size vegetable garden produce copious amounts of marijuana with only a couple plants, if you were allowed to let the things get to six feet tall and six feet wide.

Sure, people will always be able to produce denser, tastier, and more potent buds if they know what they are doing, but if I could replace my cherry tomatoes in my backyard with a marijuana bush of similar size, I could probably supply the entire neighborhood, and that's going to be "sufficient" for a lot of people.


We don't have to hide it. I don't have to hide it. It's NOT easier than tomatoes. Again, anyone can grow weed. It's an art to grow the good stuff. How do I know? Because I worked in a 5,000sqft grow facility in Longmont for over a year, and worked in the dispensary.
The produce selection at the grocery stores are a great example. Anyone can grow a garden, and they don't.
 
2012-11-06 01:03:20 PM
The tobacco and beer analogies are weak, because their production requires lots more equipment and time than weed. Funny, people here who shout that growing weed is a mini-Manhattan-project never seem to describe the intricacies they allude to.

//wee bit harder than tomatoes
//emphasis on wee
 
2012-11-06 01:03:26 PM

CapeFearCadaver: vudukungfu: santadog: I consume an ounce a month,

That's. . . a lot.
Soon you will have MASD telling you you're chronic.
Just like if you drink more than one beer in a lifetime.

Even if I have the funds I've never been able to go more than a quarter a month.
Damnit, these threads always pop up when I'm in between paychecks :(


It's $175 per ounce here.
 
2012-11-06 01:03:39 PM

The Decider: I have a feeling they've been preparing for this for some time.


No. Not really.
 
2012-11-06 01:04:08 PM

santadog: Again, anyone can grow weed. It's an art to grow the ...


Looking forward to seeing the farmer's markets of the future.
 
2012-11-06 01:04:21 PM

SirEattonHogg: I actually had a pot brownie from an SF dispensary 2 months ago (a buddy gets in on an expired prescription for "back pain").

Holy crap that was strong. I never was into pot because smoking it has little effect on me, but eating it? Honestly, that was like intense. 

CSB, dude.


My friend works for a large company and was in Amsterdam auditing their IT procedures. One of the workers there gave him a brownie and later asked how it tasted. Then said it was a pot brownie.

My friend nearly flipped. He was talking about how he hoped he wouldn't get drug tested yadda yadda yadda.

Then the office started laughing, because it was a joke they play on all the new people visiting. No, it wasn't a pot brownie. LOL
 
2012-11-06 01:06:28 PM

santadog: CapeFearCadaver: Even if I have the funds I've never been able to go more than a quarter a month.
Damnit, these threads always pop up when I'm in between paychecks :(

It's $175 per ounce here.


Ugh. Yeah, it's about $120 for a quarter of something really nice here.

/Oh, um... or so I've heard...
 
2012-11-06 01:06:59 PM

scottydoesntknow: SquiggsIN: (I have a cousin that burns about a half an ounce a day)

I find that hard to believe. 14 grams a day? Does he do anything besides chain smoke one after the other?


no. he chain smokes all day, every day.
 
2012-11-06 01:10:14 PM

signaljammer: The tobacco and beer analogies are weak, because their production requires lots more equipment and time than weed. Funny, people here who shout that growing weed is a mini-Manhattan-project never seem to describe the intricacies they allude to.

//wee bit harder than tomatoes
//emphasis on wee


Please stop pretending that growing actual GOOD cannabis is easy. Sure you can just throw some seeds in your backyard and get weed, but to actually have a strain that will kick your ass in one hit takes work.

Hell most people don't grow their own tomatoes, what makes you think they'll suddenly decide to grow cannabis?
 
2012-11-06 01:10:58 PM
Needs a doubtful tag. Legalizing that shiat isn't going to slow the cartels down in any way. They've grown too big and too powerful. It's just a lame ploy potheads use in hopes they can continue being potheads.
 
2012-11-06 01:11:15 PM
Growing cannabis plants is easy. They grow like a "weed" and are adapted to life on this planet quite well. Growing high-quality (FEMALE ONLY) plants for recreational use is anything but easy.
 
2012-11-06 01:11:35 PM
 
2012-11-06 01:11:42 PM

scottydoesntknow: Except in my experience mexican weed sucks so much. It stinks like ass, has waaaay too many sticks/seeds, and is dryer than an 80-year-old nun. The only reason people purchased mexican brick weed is because it's the only thing available. If (or when) legalized, the cartels would have to seriously ramp up their production/cultivation methods (which increases costs) or watch as every person passes their "Helado y Molta" push cart and goes into a legal herb shop.


Having bought weed in Mexico - hypothetically and not really - THIS. Damn that's some shiatty weed.
 
2012-11-06 01:11:54 PM

inglixthemad: SirEattonHogg: I actually had a pot brownie from an SF dispensary 2 months ago (a buddy gets in on an expired prescription for "back pain").

Holy crap that was strong. I never was into pot because smoking it has little effect on me, but eating it? Honestly, that was like intense. 

CSB, dude.

My friend works for a large company and was in Amsterdam auditing their IT procedures. One of the workers there gave him a brownie and later asked how it tasted. Then said it was a pot brownie.

My friend nearly flipped. He was talking about how he hoped he wouldn't get drug tested yadda yadda yadda.

Then the office started laughing, because it was a joke they play on all the new people visiting. No, it wasn't a pot brownie. LOL


Don't you know not to offer candy to strangers?
 
2012-11-06 01:12:04 PM

scottydoesntknow: Wait, that's right! Most americans pay for the convenience. Growing GOOD cannabis is a science, and most people don't have the time or motivation to dedicate to that.


If it ever does become legal, some hippie liberal Johnny Cannabisseed would prolly throw free seeds down every ditch and embankment and public park in the country, and weed would be as free to all as dandelions are. Wouldn't that be nice?
 
2012-11-06 01:13:09 PM
Of course Taco Bell is silent on the matter!

You will get to hear from it in a few hours, as usual.
 
2012-11-06 01:13:27 PM
fark all of you.. I live in Ohio and can't find anything.. I have to smoke campaign ads to get high.
 
2012-11-06 01:15:20 PM

Saruman_W: Needs a doubtful tag. Legalizing that shiat isn't going to slow the cartels down in any way. They've grown too big and too powerful. It's just a lame ploy potheads use in hopes they can continue being potheads.


It would most certainly make some impact on their operations. To what extent I can't say for sure, but either way, it doesn't necessarily matter. Legalizing marijuana is the right thing to do for so many reasons of which this is just one. I like to think it would lead to less violence, death and destruction of lives due to unneeded incarcerations.
 
2012-11-06 01:17:35 PM
Am I the only one who finds it funny that Mexico is basically saying that 3 states in the US account for THIRTY PERCENT of the pot the cartels send up?

Way to represent Oregon/Washington/Colorado! USA! USA! USA!
 
2012-11-06 01:18:06 PM

SirEattonHogg: I'm the same - minus the headache. Eating it threw me for such a loop I actually had to tell my buddy that I was a bit freaked out. I didn't expect it at all. Thank goodness I didn't eat the whole brownie.


Never eat the whole brownie. Start with a quarter and wait an hour or more. I've seen brownies that contain two grams of hash. Just one of those could leave you catatonic well into the next day.
 
2012-11-06 01:18:30 PM

scottydoesntknow: signaljammer: The tobacco and beer analogies are weak, because their production requires lots more equipment and time than weed. Funny, people here who shout that growing weed is a mini-Manhattan-project never seem to describe the intricacies they allude to.

//wee bit harder than tomatoes
//emphasis on wee

Please stop pretending that growing actual GOOD cannabis is easy. Sure you can just throw some seeds in your backyard and get weed, but to actually have a strain that will kick your ass in one hit takes work.

Hell most people don't grow their own tomatoes, what makes you think they'll suddenly decide to grow cannabis?


And you don't think that the fact that it's free won't make people accept the fact that they have to inhale 3 times instead of once?

Money is a powerful motivator. Yep, a powerful motivator.
 
2012-11-06 01:19:03 PM

Saruman_W: Needs a doubtful tag. Legalizing that shiat isn't going to slow the cartels down in any way. They've grown too big and too powerful. It's just a lame ploy potheads use in hopes they can continue being potheads.


The majority of cartel profits are from cannabis. They make a higher margin from manufacturing cocaine, meth, etc but the sheer volume of cannabis consumed means it's by far their largest source of income.

The US could cripple every Mexican cartel with legalization because eventually people would want quality, clean products that they can acquire without resorting to the black market. This will happen and it will hurt the Mexican cartels business. If that means Mexicans will come to America to start their own business so be it. At least the threat of violence will diminish because it wouldn't be illegal.

Mr Guy: scottydoesntknow: SquiggsIN: (I have a cousin that burns about a half an ounce a day)

I find that hard to believe. 14 grams a day? Does he do anything besides chain smoke one after the other?

To go through that much he's probably vaporizing large quantities of crappier weed.

He smokes between a half and an entire ounce a day and it is chronic, not crap. He's the type of guy that rolls a joint while he's smoking a joint.
 
2012-11-06 01:20:40 PM

WeenerGord: scottydoesntknow: Wait, that's right! Most americans pay for the convenience. Growing GOOD cannabis is a science, and most people don't have the time or motivation to dedicate to that.

If it ever does become legal, some hippie liberal Johnny Cannabisseed would prolly throw free seeds down every ditch and embankment and public park in the country, and weed would be as free to all as dandelions are. Wouldn't that be nice?


You must not be a cannabis user. If you were, you'd know there is a world of difference between "ditch weed" and high-end buds.
 
2012-11-06 01:20:55 PM
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2012-11-06 01:22:09 PM

CapeFearCadaver: santadog: CapeFearCadaver: Even if I have the funds I've never been able to go more than a quarter a month.
Damnit, these threads always pop up when I'm in between paychecks :(

It's $175 per ounce here.

Ugh. Yeah, it's about $120 for a quarter of something really nice here.

/Oh, um... or so I've heard...


Before I get shot for posting, I'm down with legalization, and I don't smoke a goddam thing...HOWEVER...Humboldt trimmers are getting circa $200 per pound, according to the ones getting picked up by the cops around town here. A runner is getting $3-700 per depending on distance. Get it out of state in less than a day and add another 500. One person slipping through makes some serious bank on just 30 pounds.

Jesus Christ, that's just the weed. The meth is an entirely different issue.

That said, you guys on the east coast are getting hosed by 25 middle men. I hope your product is local or coming from Europe for what you're paying.
 
2012-11-06 01:23:10 PM
How much you go through personally is very dependant on your social life. If you have a lot of hanger-ons, like to break it out in gatherings, etc, an ounce a day wouldn't be that amazing. Of course, if you literally smoke that much just by yourself, that might be unusual.
 
2012-11-06 01:23:47 PM

Strategeryz0r: Am I the only one who finds it funny that Mexico is basically saying that 3 states in the US account for THIRTY PERCENT of the pot the cartels send up?

Way to represent Oregon/Washington/Colorado! USA! USA! USA!


Well, what they are saying is that large of an area providing easy access to marijuana would obviously lead to black market transfer of the good stuff to other states where it's not legal which would have a sizable affect on cartel distribution everywhere. And they're right. Why deal with a bunch of scary mexican drug cartels when you can get any of millions of adult americans to buy it legally for you? Or just insert yourself somewhere in the supply chain where it's being grown legally and mess with the numbers - which will definitely happen.
 
2012-11-06 01:25:41 PM

fanbladesaresharp: That said, you guys on the east coast are getting hosed by 25 middle men. I hope your product is local or coming from Europe for what you're paying.


It's at least State grown, but yeah... hosed is still apt.
 
2012-11-06 01:25:43 PM

signaljammer: The tobacco and beer analogies are weak, because their production requires lots more equipment and time than weed.


Um, not true. You can make (good) beer at home with nothing but a stock pot, spoon, thermometer, and a bucket. For ales, you can just leave your bucket of fermenting beer in a closet or in your room. Even with brewing all grain, you only have to add a large cooler with a false bottom to that list (can be put together at home for about $50-$80). Yet you need only about 3-4 weeks until the brew is ready to drink.

Growing (good) MJ requires more power, supplies, and time. Hell, flowering alone will take an average minimum of 2 months.
 
2012-11-06 01:26:07 PM

SquiggsIN: vudukungfu:
Two plant will get an adult through a full year of personal use, and gifts to friends.

2 plants? umm.. no it won't get a regular user through a year.


3 pounds at best, 1 pound at worst? You smoke too damn much, or you suck at gardening.
 
2012-11-06 01:26:37 PM
Marijuana will never be legalized.

Legal marijuana means fewer prison guard union campaign contributions to Democratic politicians and fewer private prison operator campaign contributions to Republican politicians.

Legal marijuana also means fewer brown people in jail and the white racists that comprise most of this country's electorate won't stand for that.
 
2012-11-06 01:28:42 PM
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2012-11-06 01:04:21 PM
SirEattonHogg: I actually had a pot brownie from an SF dispensary 2 months ago (a buddy gets in on an expired prescription for "back pain").

Holy crap that was strong. I never was into pot because smoking it has little effect on me, but eating it? Honestly, that was like intense.

CSB, dude.

My friend works for a large company and was in Amsterdam auditing their IT procedures. One of the workers there gave him a brownie and later asked how it tasted. Then said it was a pot brownie.


If he ever had a pot brownie, he'd know the diff. It ain't that tasty. Luckily, I work for an industry that allows me to blaze or snort up. I don't partake, but nice to know I am not beholden to such restrictions.

This thread makes me hungry for taco bell.
 
2012-11-06 01:30:24 PM

Leeds: scottydoesntknow: signaljammer: The tobacco and beer analogies are weak, because their production requires lots more equipment and time than weed. Funny, people here who shout that growing weed is a mini-Manhattan-project never seem to describe the intricacies they allude to.

//wee bit harder than tomatoes
//emphasis on wee

Please stop pretending that growing actual GOOD cannabis is easy. Sure you can just throw some seeds in your backyard and get weed, but to actually have a strain that will kick your ass in one hit takes work.

Hell most people don't grow their own tomatoes, what makes you think they'll suddenly decide to grow cannabis?

And you don't think that the fact that it's free won't make people accept the fact that they have to inhale 3 times instead of once?

Money is a powerful motivator. Yep, a powerful motivator.


Garden grown vegetables are free and of higher quality than those in the store... yet most people still buy.

For the vast majority of people convenience trumps money.
 
2012-11-06 01:30:54 PM

special20:
3 pounds at best, 1 pound at worst? You smoke too damn much, or you suck at gardening.


*Pumps tiny fist*
 
2012-11-06 01:30:59 PM

Strik3r: We are voting to leagaize pot today ??????????????????

/ didn't get the memo...........


If you live in Colorado, yes.

/Just finished voting for legalization.
 
2012-11-06 01:32:37 PM
HAH Mexico is about as stupid as the potheads I know. Who benefits from legalized marijuana? RJR and Phillip Morris, they already have declining tabacco sales, access to farmers who have the tools to grow/cultivate/separate and dry, AND have the equipment to mass produce cigarettes.

Economy of scale, those two will be able to undercut every other legal means of obtaining weed.
 
2012-11-06 01:34:28 PM
Can I vote in Colorado if I'm weed?
 
2012-11-06 01:36:19 PM

moefuggenbrew: Can I vote in Colorado if I'm weed?


You have to be corporate weed in order to vote.
 
2012-11-06 01:37:16 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: HAH Mexico is about as stupid as the potheads I know. Who benefits from legalized marijuana? RJR and Phillip Morris, they already have declining tabacco sales, access to farmers who have the tools to grow/cultivate/separate and dry, AND have the equipment to mass produce cigarettes.

Economy of scale, those two will be able to undercut every other legal means of obtaining weed.


I await the day.
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-06 01:38:12 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: HAH Mexico is about as stupid as the potheads I know. Who benefits from legalized marijuana? RJR and Phillip Morris, they already have declining tabacco sales, access to farmers who have the tools to grow/cultivate/separate and dry, AND have the equipment to mass produce cigarettes.

Economy of scale, those two will be able to undercut every other legal means of obtaining weed.


Grow it? Marijuana is easier than tobacco to grow and process, it's easy to do at home.
 
2012-11-06 01:38:14 PM

moefuggenbrew: Can I vote in Colorado if I'm weed?


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-11-06 01:39:08 PM

special20: DoBeDoBeDo: HAH Mexico is about as stupid as the potheads I know. Who benefits from legalized marijuana? RJR and Phillip Morris, they already have declining tabacco sales, access to farmers who have the tools to grow/cultivate/separate and dry, AND have the equipment to mass produce cigarettes.

Economy of scale, those two will be able to undercut every other legal means of obtaining weed.

I await the day.
[i.imgur.com image 625x370]


Fark that. I want my smokes to have only ONE ingredient: WEED As soon as "Big Tobacco" becomes "Big Weed" it will have over 500 ingredients.
 
2012-11-06 01:41:54 PM

Beaver1224: Obvious tag get the munchies?


Obvious tag had a wake-n-bake morning, can't figure out how pants work.
 
2012-11-06 01:42:15 PM

scottydoesntknow: signaljammer: The tobacco and beer analogies are weak, because their production requires lots more equipment and time than weed. Funny, people here who shout that growing weed is a mini-Manhattan-project never seem to describe the intricacies they allude to.

//wee bit harder than tomatoes
//emphasis on wee

Please stop pretending that growing actual GOOD cannabis is easy. Sure you can just throw some seeds in your backyard and get weed, but to actually have a strain that will kick your ass in one hit takes work.

Hell most people don't grow their own tomatoes, what makes you think they'll suddenly decide to grow cannabis?


Oh I'll "suddenly decide to," because I don't want to eat a handful of tomatoes on a sunny Sunday morning and go for a long walk in the park? I've tried it with tomatoes. It's not the same.
 
2012-11-06 01:44:29 PM

fanbladesaresharp: Y'all want to know just how much weed is grown in California? And the environmental damage after the logging years done? And the cartels that apparently people don't want to admit are already here or get shot?

here ya go:

http://lostcoastoutpost.com/2012/nov/5/aerial-tour-grow-city/

/i live there
//no, not that spot. not that one. might be close to the other one.
///NorCA has a "suburbia" of weed grow ops.


Now compare that with what legally grown crops look like.
If pot's legal a couple of those circles will be out producing that entire area, and a circle is a very small farm (that earns a few hundred thousand/year, at best). The price before any taxes will plummit. Whisky's pretty cheap before the taxes are on it too.
 
2012-11-06 01:45:33 PM
It's been many, many years since I've smoked weed. It was never really my thing because it always made me feel a bit paranoid. Back when I was in high school, (I'm old!) I could walk into the girls' bathroom and buy a joint for two bucks. One of my friends (who smoked a lot) was always hitting her mom up for ten bucks to "go to the movies" which she would then spend on a bag of pot. IIRC, there was a good bit of weed in the bag and it was almost always stinky homegrown that she had bought from someone who lived way out in BFE.

How much does it cost now? Do people still buy it by the joint?

If it were to be made legal, do you reckon that it could be grown so that it would be available in different 'strengths'? So that maybe someone like me could buy something to relax without feeling fried? Because if I could get something in mild, I would happily buy it.
 
2012-11-06 01:46:07 PM

santadog: special20: DoBeDoBeDo: HAH Mexico is about as stupid as the potheads I know. Who benefits from legalized marijuana? RJR and Phillip Morris, they already have declining tabacco sales, access to farmers who have the tools to grow/cultivate/separate and dry, AND have the equipment to mass produce cigarettes.

Economy of scale, those two will be able to undercut every other legal means of obtaining weed.

I await the day.
[i.imgur.com image 625x370]

Fark that. I want my smokes to have only ONE ingredient: WEED As soon as "Big Tobacco" becomes "Big Weed" it will have over 500 ingredients.


yeah but at least it will be cheaper than the good stuff
 
2012-11-06 01:49:37 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: santadog: special20: DoBeDoBeDo: HAH Mexico is about as stupid as the potheads I know. Who benefits from legalized marijuana? RJR and Phillip Morris, they already have declining tabacco sales, access to farmers who have the tools to grow/cultivate/separate and dry, AND have the equipment to mass produce cigarettes.

Economy of scale, those two will be able to undercut every other legal means of obtaining weed.

I await the day.
[i.imgur.com image 625x370]

Fark that. I want my smokes to have only ONE ingredient: WEED As soon as "Big Tobacco" becomes "Big Weed" it will have over 500 ingredients.

yeah but at least it will be cheaper than the good stuff


I only smoke the good stuff. Someone gave me an ounce of not good stuff about 2 months ago. It's untouched sitting with the spices in the kitchen. I'll bake with it eventually. As I posted earlier, I pay $175 per OUNCE. It could very well get cheaper if the amendment here in Colorado passes.
 
2012-11-06 01:49:42 PM

TeaCozy: It's been many, many years since I've smoked weed. It was never really my thing because it always made me feel a bit paranoid. Back when I was in high school, (I'm old!) I could walk into the girls' bathroom and buy a joint for two bucks. One of my friends (who smoked a lot) was always hitting her mom up for ten bucks to "go to the movies" which she would then spend on a bag of pot. IIRC, there was a good bit of weed in the bag and it was almost always stinky homegrown that she had bought from someone who lived way out in BFE.

How much does it cost now? Do people still buy it by the joint?

If it were to be made legal, do you reckon that it could be grown so that it would be available in different 'strengths'? So that maybe someone like me could buy something to relax without feeling fried? Because if I could get something in mild, I would happily buy it.


If not, you and me can go in together on a variety pack.

I'll take the frieds and you can have the milds.
 
2012-11-06 01:52:36 PM

santadog: Soon, you will hear the term "Big Marijuana".


Phillip Morris and RJR probably have contingency plans in place in the event of legalization, and then the cartels will find how hard it is to compete with people who have the financial muscle to start wars.
 
2012-11-06 01:56:39 PM

Tango_down: fark all of you.. I live in Ohio and can't find anything.. I have to smoke campaign ads to get high.



Bet that leaves a bad taste in your mouth
 
2012-11-06 01:57:40 PM

vudukungfu: santadog: Again, anyone can grow weed. It's an art to grow the ...

Looking forward to seeing the farmer's markets of the future.


It won't just be old people crashing into them!
 
2012-11-06 01:58:26 PM
Once it's legalized, all it takes is one state producing and exporting it in order to bring the prices down nationwide.

Can't wait.
 
2012-11-06 01:58:37 PM

SearchN: If you live in Colorado, yes.

/Just finished voting for legalization.



Or Washington. Where it is polling ahead by a substantial margin.
 
2012-11-06 01:58:51 PM

MurphyMurphy:
If not, you and me can go in together on a variety pack.

I'll take the frieds and you can have the milds.


Deal. :-)
 
2012-11-06 01:59:07 PM

santadog: Jon iz teh kewl: santadog: special20: DoBeDoBeDo: HAH Mexico is about as stupid as the potheads I know. Who benefits from legalized marijuana? RJR and Phillip Morris, they already have declining tabacco sales, access to farmers who have the tools to grow/cultivate/separate and dry, AND have the equipment to mass produce cigarettes.

Economy of scale, those two will be able to undercut every other legal means of obtaining weed.

I await the day.
[i.imgur.com image 625x370]

Fark that. I want my smokes to have only ONE ingredient: WEED As soon as "Big Tobacco" becomes "Big Weed" it will have over 500 ingredients.

yeah but at least it will be cheaper than the good stuff

I only smoke the good stuff. Someone gave me an ounce of not good stuff about 2 months ago. It's untouched sitting with the spices in the kitchen. I'll bake with it eventually. As I posted earlier, I pay $175 per OUNCE. It could very well get cheaper if the amendment here in Colorado passes.


some people prefer the cheap stuff cause it doesn't make them psychotic
 
2012-11-06 01:59:44 PM

toraque: It won't just be old people crashing into them!


They will sell a heck of a lot more zucchinni bread.
 
2012-11-06 02:01:09 PM
Some points-

1. Those who claim that growing good-quality cannabis is a sinch have never trimmed for days on end or had a mite infestation.

2. Most pot smokers are snobs and probably won't buy anything from Big Tobacco unless it is out of desperation.

3. I miss my old dispensary job (and have bittersweet nightly recurring dreams about being back there) and if Amendment 64 passes and I can find a job back in the industry I fully intend on moving back to CO, though probably not Fort Collins.

4. Even at my chain-smoking peak I was only burning through an ounce a week. A half-zip a day sounds insane and I want to party with that guy.

/Vote YES on 64- the Bring Radar Home initiative!
 
2012-11-06 02:01:20 PM

CheatCommando: santadog: Soon, you will hear the term "Big Marijuana".

Phillip Morris and RJR probably have contingency plans in place in the event of legalization, and then the cartels will find how hard it is to compete with people who have the financial muscle to start wars.


PM and RJR are the biggest threats to the "cottage" medical marijuana growers. When I worked for a grow facility in Longmont, the owners were constantly talking about the consequences to having it legalized, and Big Tobacco getting in on the scene was the major issue.
 
2012-11-06 02:01:42 PM
While I'm all for the legalization of pot, I'm not sure that we'll like what happens when the cartels find their profits being sucked dry by legalization efforts. Whether that manifests in more financial efforts to fight legalization (campaign donations, funding legal teams to fight the laws legalizing it, etc.), or flat out gang violence towards legal sellers/growers and attempts at muscling in on gaining a "Cut", I don't know.
 
2012-11-06 02:02:20 PM
In our Utopian Marijuana near-future, you will buy boutique strains that will taste and look amazing but won't get you "too" high if that is your desire.
 
2012-11-06 02:02:48 PM

Paris1127: /legalize gay marijuana?


hempbeach.com
Take a drag.
 
2012-11-06 02:02:57 PM

toraque: vudukungfu: santadog: Again, anyone can grow weed. It's an art to grow the ...

Looking forward to seeing the farmer's markets of the future.

It won't just be old people crashing into them!


The stoner-driven cars will be moving very slowly, so everyone will just push the vender stands out of the way and let them through.
 
2012-11-06 02:04:41 PM

radarlove: Some points-

1. Those who claim that growing good-quality cannabis is a sinch have never trimmed for days on end or had a mite infestation.

2. Most pot smokers are snobs and probably won't buy anything from Big Tobacco unless it is out of desperation.

3. I miss my old dispensary job (and have bittersweet nightly recurring dreams about being back there) and if Amendment 64 passes and I can find a job back in the industry I fully intend on moving back to CO, though probably not Fort Collins.

4. Even at my chain-smoking peak I was only burning through an ounce a week. A half-zip a day sounds insane and I want to party with that guy.

/Vote YES on 64- the Bring Radar Home initiative!


Longmont screwed all the dispensaries. My bosses lost out on almost half a million dollars in permits and fees places by the city. They've assembled with other outted growers/dispensaries and are taking the city to court.

/I miss that job. I giggled every day while there.
 
2012-11-06 02:06:21 PM

TeaCozy: It's been many, many years since I've smoked weed. It was never really my thing because it always made me feel a bit paranoid. Back when I was in high school, (I'm old!) I could walk into the girls' bathroom and buy a joint for two bucks. One of my friends (who smoked a lot) was always hitting her mom up for ten bucks to "go to the movies" which she would then spend on a bag of pot. IIRC, there was a good bit of weed in the bag and it was almost always stinky homegrown that she had bought from someone who lived way out in BFE.

How much does it cost now? Do people still buy it by the joint?

If it were to be made legal, do you reckon that it could be grown so that it would be available in different 'strengths'? So that maybe someone like me could buy something to relax without feeling fried? Because if I could get something in mild, I would happily buy it.


Yes. Even now, you can get it at different strengths and different effects. Sativa strains are probably what you'd want...it's a "head" high and not the body high you're talking about which comes more from Indica strains.

But, every body is different and effects can vary slightly.
 
2012-11-06 02:06:40 PM

Wasilla Hillbilly: In our Utopian Marijuana near-future, you will buy boutique strains that will taste and look amazing but won't get you "too" high if that is your desire.


My old boss was working on a strain that didn't get you high at all. 100% pain and nausea relief, 0% head farkery. Wave of the future. Brilliant.
 
2012-11-06 02:06:49 PM

SquiggsIN: WeenerGord: scottydoesntknow: Wait, that's right! Most americans pay for the convenience. Growing GOOD cannabis is a science, and most people don't have the time or motivation to dedicate to that.

If it ever does become legal, some hippie liberal Johnny Cannabisseed would prolly throw free seeds down every ditch and embankment and public park in the country, and weed would be as free to all as dandelions are. Wouldn't that be nice?

You must not be a cannabis user. If you were, you'd know there is a world of difference between "ditch weed" and high-end buds.



Yeah, you're right, I don't use any drugs. What's your point, weed snob? My point is that the drug war does more harm than good. Even thought I don't use the stuff, I think the Feds should stop destroying the lives of the people that do.

Are you really so stupid that you think the name makes the product? You think that if a seed with good genetics was planted out of doors, it could not grow as well as some stunted, clipped bonzai mutation, struggling to survive under artificial lights and getting soused with synthetic chemicals?
 
2012-11-06 02:07:16 PM

TeaCozy: It's been many, many years since I've smoked weed. It was never really my thing because it always made me feel a bit paranoid. Back when I was in high school, (I'm old!) I could walk into the girls' bathroom and buy a joint for two bucks. One of my friends (who smoked a lot) was always hitting her mom up for ten bucks to "go to the movies" which she would then spend on a bag of pot. IIRC, there was a good bit of weed in the bag and it was almost always stinky homegrown that she had bought from someone who lived way out in BFE.

How much does it cost now? Do people still buy it by the joint?

If it were to be made legal, do you reckon that it could be grown so that it would be available in different 'strengths'? So that maybe someone like me could buy something to relax without feeling fried? Because if I could get something in mild, I would happily buy it.


Not just strengths, but blends too. The long and the short of it is, THC is responsible for paranoia and CBD works as a depressant / relaxant. Sativa breeds have mostly THC, Indica breeds have a more balanced ratio. Smoke too much Indica and you'll end up taking a nap on the couch, not having a panic attack. CBD appears to be the source of a bunch of pot's medicinal uses, so deliberately growing CBD heavy strains is becoming more common as well, and some dispensaries actually label how much of each is in a given product.

Most people don't buy it by the joint, since people pick different portion sizes for different uses (glass pipes / vaporizers / cigar wraps / cooking).
 
2012-11-06 02:08:08 PM
I'll be voting YES on 64 later today. I dont smoke (job), but Im all for letting grown ass adults do it if they want.
 
2012-11-06 02:09:59 PM
They should end the farce of Healthcare and legalize the sale of prescription drugs without a prescription too. It would increase the velocity of sales which I'm sure Big Pharma is totally cool with.
 
2012-11-06 02:10:13 PM

Tango_down: fark all of you.. I live in Ohio and can't find anything.. I have to smoke campaign ads to get high.


Ohio seems to be kind of dry right now...

Not that I would know anything about that....

/*walks back inside as a Sheriff helicopter flies overhead*
 
2012-11-06 02:12:23 PM

The Decider: By the way, if it does pass, I give it two years before Big Tobacco completely shuts down the small mom and pop sellers and has a monopoly on sales. I have a feeling they've been preparing for this for some time.


I'm betting on big agribusiness. I think they're better positioned for this sort of thing, particularly being mostly privately held. Do you know who owns your food supply? Do you know what subsidiaries they control? Do they have to publish their accounting or ownership statements? Are they even US-based? If you're like most people you have no idea, and that's a big advantage when you want to produce controversial products.

But in either case (Altria or Cargill) they likely won't be any more interested in retail than they are for their existing product lines. They'll be perfectly happy to control the supply and let retail do as it will and deal with their own hassles for location licensing/etc.
 
2012-11-06 02:13:21 PM

WeenerGord: SquiggsIN: WeenerGord: scottydoesntknow: Wait, that's right! Most americans pay for the convenience. Growing GOOD cannabis is a science, and most people don't have the time or motivation to dedicate to that.

If it ever does become legal, some hippie liberal Johnny Cannabisseed would prolly throw free seeds down every ditch and embankment and public park in the country, and weed would be as free to all as dandelions are. Wouldn't that be nice?

You must not be a cannabis user. If you were, you'd know there is a world of difference between "ditch weed" and high-end buds.


Yeah, you're right, I don't use any drugs. What's your point, weed snob? My point is that the drug war does more harm than good. Even thought I don't use the stuff, I think the Feds should stop destroying the lives of the people that do.

Are you really so stupid that you think the name makes the product? You think that if a seed with good genetics was planted out of doors, it could not grow as well as some stunted, clipped bonzai mutation, struggling to survive under artificial lights and getting soused with synthetic chemicals?


No, it would not. There are controls with light indoors, like shining when it's dark. Those artificial lights, aren't just "lights". They are lights putting out specific rays for specific growing stages and flowering stages. And trust me.. those plants are doing anything but struggling under those lights. They are thriving. And who's sousing in syth chemicals? Maybe some, but the best is touted as organic, and Bat shiat is used.

Every hear of mites? Frost? Hail? Floods? Drought? Animals? Bugs? Birds? Thieves? Vandals?
 
2012-11-06 02:14:31 PM

santadog: Longmont screwed all the dispensaries. My bosses lost out on almost half a million dollars in permits and fees places by the city. They've assembled with other outted growers/dispensaries and are taking the city to court.

/I miss that job. I giggled every day while there.


Same story with Fort Collins. There's a ballot initiative there today to get the ban overturned, but even if it passes I probably wouldn't go back there unless explicitly asked to by my old boss. I'm too burned by everything that went down to ever want to set foot in Fort Collins again, but Josh Stanley was a truly exceptional boss and really knew what he was doing with regards to the business and with regards to patients and compassionate caregiving. Budding Health was a fantastic shop that was really doing it right.

I really miss being in that industry and fear that I won't really be happy doing anything else.
 
2012-11-06 02:16:26 PM

WeenerGord: Are you really so stupid that you think the name makes the product? You think that if a seed with good genetics was planted out of doors, it could not grow as well as some stunted, clipped bonzai mutation, struggling to survive under artificial lights and getting soused with synthetic chemicals?


Yeah, dude, the outdoor grow would probably be quite lively and impressive, but would not likely result in the high-grade smoke that people tend to prefer. Anything's possible, but the best weed comes from constant care, attention, and botanical intelligence. Indoor grows give you control over pretty much all aspects.
 
2012-11-06 02:18:00 PM

WeenerGord: SquiggsIN: WeenerGord: scottydoesntknow: Wait, that's right! Most americans pay for the convenience. Growing GOOD cannabis is a science, and most people don't have the time or motivation to dedicate to that.

If it ever does become legal, some hippie liberal Johnny Cannabisseed would prolly throw free seeds down every ditch and embankment and public park in the country, and weed would be as free to all as dandelions are. Wouldn't that be nice?

You must not be a cannabis user. If you were, you'd know there is a world of difference between "ditch weed" and high-end buds.


Yeah, you're right, I don't use any drugs. What's your point, weed snob? My point is that the drug war does more harm than good. Even thought I don't use the stuff, I think the Feds should stop destroying the lives of the people that do.

Are you really so stupid that you think the name makes the product? You think that if a seed with good genetics was planted out of doors, it could not grow as well as some stunted, clipped bonzai mutation, struggling to survive under artificial lights and getting soused with synthetic chemicals?


Cannabinoids are produced on the leaves and buds of the plant in response to harsh conditions; once of the tricks an indoor grower can use is to turn down the temperature just after flowering to force the plant to produce more oils to protect itself. The healthiest plant isn't necessarily the one that produces the best end product. I'm not saying the name makes the product, but with all of the crazy tools available to indoor growers, their plants aren't remotely "struggling to survive", they're purpose-bred and precision monitored.
 
2012-11-06 02:18:20 PM

The Decider: Just some clarification, at least on the Washington initiative. Growing your own will still be illegal, the whole point of the initiative is to get more tax money. You'll need to but it from a licensed retailer. All the old penalties still apply for home growing.

By the way, if it does pass, I give it two years before Big Tobacco completely shuts down the small mom and pop sellers and has a monopoly on sales. I have a feeling they've been preparing for this for some time.


The REAL question is; Will Federal LEO agencies allow pot to be sold as the state's laws want them to be. I don't see them lying down and losing their gravy train. They make a small fortune from prosecuting pot smokers and growers, plus the confiscation of homes, vehicles, and other property. I think there's gonna be a civil war in the court system, at least, to get pot free of the drug mongers. Someone in Congress needs to follow the money in the relationship between our agencies (DEA, FDA, FBI, and others) and the Mexican Cartels.

/I agree that big tobacco has been ready since the late 60s, but will the regulations laid down for tobacco be applied to Marijuana?
//there's no law making tobacco illegal to grow, but most don't. Will this be the way with MJ?
///And what about us ol' farks who grew up on that 60s weed. Where we gonna find 'shake' if everyone buys packs?
////More questions than virgules, I tells ya
 
2012-11-06 02:18:57 PM

scottydoesntknow: They said, however, that they did not believe that production will rob the cartels of significant profits, saying instead that they thought Mexican drug lords would instead try to participate in legal production inside the U.S.

Except in my experience mexican weed sucks so much. It stinks like ass, has waaaay too many sticks/seeds, and is dryer than an 80-year-old nun. The only reason people purchased mexican brick weed is because it's the only thing available. If (or when) legalized, the cartels would have to seriously ramp up their production/cultivation methods (which increases costs) or watch as every person passes their "Helado y Molta" push cart and goes into a legal herb shop.


Given how quickly the cartel's meth "factories" have been cranking out super-cheap, super high-quality blue-tinted meth (yes reality is now imitating a TV show), I think they could get some truly epic hydro facilties online pretty quickly. but then they'd likely be messing with a truly dangerous cartel with almost unlimited financial resources: US Big Tobacco, which will jump into this market with both feet once it gets just a skosh more respectable (don't believe me? Go see who holds the trademark on names like "maui wowie" and "hydro")
 
2012-11-06 02:20:00 PM

radarlove: My old boss was working on a strain that didn't get you high at all. 100% pain and nausea relief, 0% head farkery. Wave of the future. Brilliant.


If I smoked, and of course I don't as it's illegal. But if I did I'd try to find some Rascal OG - very low THC, very high CBD. No paranoia whatsoever.

/don't like the sativas I must say
 
2012-11-06 02:20:57 PM

JohnBigBootay: radarlove: My old boss was working on a strain that didn't get you high at all. 100% pain and nausea relief, 0% head farkery. Wave of the future. Brilliant.

If I smoked, and of course I don't as it's illegal. But if I did I'd try to find some Rascal OG - very low THC, very high CBD. No paranoia whatsoever.

/don't like the sativas I must say


Guess what? When it's legal, paranoia goes away!!!
 
2012-11-06 02:26:47 PM

santadog: No, it would not. There are controls with light indoors, like shining when it's dark. Those artificial lights, aren't just "lights". They are lights putting out specific rays for specific growing stages and flowering stages. And trust me.. those plants are doing anything but struggling under those lights. They are thriving. And who's sousing in syth chemicals? Maybe some, but the best is touted as organic, and Bat shiat is used.


Plants are meant to grow under natural sunlight. Artificials can only try to replicate the natural outdoor habitat as much as possible. And if you like the taste of Bat Shiat, more power to you.

santadog: Every hear of mites? Frost? Hail? Floods? Drought? Animals? Bugs? Birds? Thieves? Vandals?


Yeah, shiat happens. If it grew everywhere like dandelions, that would cut down on the thieving. As for all the rest, that is a part of nature. Do you insist that all your corn and wheat products be grown indoors to protect them from floods and drought and mites?

What you are defending is what you have been forced to do because of the drug war. If the drug war ends, you won't have to do all that anymore. Sure hope you weed snobs will be able to find something else to feel superior about.

Years ago I saw a photo online of a weed plant in some Australian guys back yard. It was taller than his house, and had flower clusters as long as a mans leg and as thick as a thigh. The base was like a small tree trunk.

I can see how weed snobs getting paid BIG bucks for little measly one and two inch long buds would feel intimidated by that.
 
2012-11-06 02:30:25 PM

WeenerGord: Are you really so stupid that you think the name makes the product? You think that if a seed with good genetics was planted out of doors, it could not grow as well as some stunted, clipped bonzai mutation, struggling to survive under artificial lights and getting soused with synthetic chemicals?


With regards to genetics, you should be made aware of the fact that many strains are specifically bred to be grown indoors. Some are bred for outdoor growth. You can grow an indoor strain outdoors and vice versa, but it will do better in the environment it was bred for. Many people intentionally grow "stunted clipped bonzai mutations" in what is known as a Sea Of Green (SOG) grow. You see, when you make many smaller plants and trim off excess unusable material (a process known as lolipopping) you tend to get smaller buds and smaller yields per plant but a much faster plant rotation, which in many cases means a greater yield overall. Again, some strains are suited for this, and some are not.

Your statement about plants struggling under indoor light is utter hokum though. A couple of 600w Metal Halide lights during veg and a couple of 1000w High Pressure Sodium lights during flowering will be pumping out more than enough lumens to keep your plants very, very happy.

And personally, I don't know anyone who uses harsh chemicals or nutes to grow their cannabis. Anyone who does usually finds their sales quickly slipping and without much of an increase in yield. Not worth it.
 
PJ-
2012-11-06 02:30:56 PM

TeaCozy: It's been many, many years since I've smoked weed. It was never really my thing because it always made me feel a bit paranoid. Back when I was in high school, (I'm old!) I could walk into the girls' bathroom and buy a joint for two bucks. One of my friends (who smoked a lot) was always hitting her mom up for ten bucks to "go to the movies" which she would then spend on a bag of pot. IIRC, there was a good bit of weed in the bag and it was almost always stinky homegrown that she had bought from someone who lived way out in BFE.

How much does it cost now? Do people still buy it by the joint?

If it were to be made legal, do you reckon that it could be grown so that it would be available in different 'strengths'? So that maybe someone like me could buy something to relax without feeling fried? Because if I could get something in mild, I would happily buy it.


By the joint where I`m from is long gone. Too many people taking advantage and putting anything but weed in the joint. Around here, you usually pay $10 a gram and about $50 for a 1/4 and $170 an ounce.

As per strengths, it's very easy to have varying potency while growing the plant. You could also do what my buddy does, roll up a joint, smoke part of it, out it, and smoke the rest later when you feel you need more. He can't handle the greens around here, no matter how much he smokes, it's quite funny to watch him after he blazes one up. I've watched him completely destroy a beautiful steak over dinner and then go lay down because he go so blitzed out.
 
2012-11-06 02:31:04 PM

santadog: Guess what? When it's legal, paranoia goes away!!!


Yeah, no. I'm not paranoid from the 5-0 necessarily. I just get all worried about everything on the strong sativas - also, can't sleep. So that's a no go. No problem - there's plenty of fine indicas luckily.
 
2012-11-06 02:32:46 PM
www.examiner.com
 
2012-11-06 02:34:21 PM

WeenerGord: santadog: No, it would not. There are controls with light indoors, like shining when it's dark. Those artificial lights, aren't just "lights". They are lights putting out specific rays for specific growing stages and flowering stages. And trust me.. those plants are doing anything but struggling under those lights. They are thriving. And who's sousing in syth chemicals? Maybe some, but the best is touted as organic, and Bat shiat is used.

Plants are meant to grow under natural sunlight. Artificials can only try to replicate the natural outdoor habitat as much as possible. And if you like the taste of Bat Shiat, more power to you.

santadog: Every hear of mites? Frost? Hail? Floods? Drought? Animals? Bugs? Birds? Thieves? Vandals?

Yeah, shiat happens. If it grew everywhere like dandelions, that would cut down on the thieving. As for all the rest, that is a part of nature. Do you insist that all your corn and wheat products be grown indoors to protect them from floods and drought and mites?

What you are defending is what you have been forced to do because of the drug war. If the drug war ends, you won't have to do all that anymore. Sure hope you weed snobs will be able to find something else to feel superior about.

Years ago I saw a photo online of a weed plant in some Australian guys back yard. It was taller than his house, and had flower clusters as long as a mans leg and as thick as a thigh. The base was like a small tree trunk.

I can see how weed snobs getting paid BIG bucks for little measly one and two inch long buds would feel intimidated by that.


Your ignorance to the industry shows.
That is all.
 
2012-11-06 02:41:15 PM

WeenerGord: Years ago I saw a photo online of a weed plant in some Australian guys back yard. It was taller than his house, and had flower clusters as long as a mans leg and as thick as a thigh. The base was like a small tree trunk.

I can see how weed snobs getting paid BIG bucks for little measly one and two inch long buds would feel intimidated by that.


If what you're saying is true, then it took years to grow that plant. In the same amount of time with a SOG grow, one could go through dozens of plants and have a yield far higher and of better quality than some mammoth redwood could produce.

I hate to say it, but...

Donnie, you're out of your element.
 
2012-11-06 02:43:10 PM

santadog: Your ignorance to the industry shows.
That is all.


Whatever, dude. I don't smoke that shiat at all, but I think it should be completely legal world wide. We are on the same side here, and just cos I think natural conditions are best for plants, you gotta pick a fight with me? Sounds like somebody is worried about losing their weed snob job.
 
2012-11-06 02:43:16 PM

JohnBigBootay: santadog: Guess what? When it's legal, paranoia goes away!!!

Yeah, no. I'm not paranoid from the 5-0 necessarily. I just get all worried about everything on the strong sativas - also, can't sleep. So that's a no go. No problem - there's plenty of fine indicas luckily.


I'm with ya- big indica guy here. Are you old? I've noticed most of us middle-aged-to-old folks prefer indicas, whereas the whippersnappers all like sativas.
 
2012-11-06 02:43:50 PM

Paris1127: If the photo at the top of the article is any indication, legalizing pot is a slippery-slope to gay marriage...
[www.gannett-cdn.com image 560x422]

/legalize gay marijuana?


I guess "getting stoned" could have an alternative meaning.
 
2012-11-06 02:44:10 PM
My concern is that we'd be importing the fighting, terrorism and corruption that exists in Mexico. because of the drug trade.
Cartel grow ops, trying to dominate the market; using whatever means to remove competition from the market.

Is it a bit naive to think that if the borders are changed, that Cartels will give up their old ways?
 
2012-11-06 02:46:50 PM

santadog: WeenerGord: santadog: No, it would not.

santadog: Every hear of mites? Frost? Hail? Floods? Drought? Animals? Bugs? Birds? Thieves? Vandals?

I can see how weed snobs getting paid BIG bucks for little measly one and two inch long buds would feel intimidated by that.

Your ignorance to the industry shows.
That is all.


I don't know about the 'Industry'. In fact, I don't care about the 'Industry'. When (not If...) it gets legalize , I WILL have a plant in my front yard, For decoration, I swear. and I'll buy my Marlboro joints at the store.
 
2012-11-06 02:47:07 PM

WeenerGord: Plants are meant to grow under natural sunlight. Artificials can only try to replicate the natural outdoor habitat as much as possible. And if you like the taste of Bat Shiat, more power to you


You do realize that today's technology allows peole to almost perfectly repicate outdoor growing while at the same time controlling all the other factors that make outdoor growing such a biatch?

But if you can show me a way to make the sun shine an extra four hours to trick the buds into producing more, or a way to control the rain, then I'll agree with you.
 
2012-11-06 02:47:31 PM

WeenerGord: scottydoesntknow: Wait, that's right! Most americans pay for the convenience. Growing GOOD cannabis is a science, and most people don't have the time or motivation to dedicate to that.

If it ever does become legal, some hippie liberal Johnny Cannabisseed would prolly throw free seeds down every ditch and embankment and public park in the country, and weed would be as free to all as dandelions are. Wouldn't that be nice?


And then all the people that actually know how to grow pot would hunt him down and lynch him for making it imposible to grow high quality stuff outdoors.

When it is legal we will probably hear about HOAs fining people for not picking out thier male plants and messing up thier neighboors crop.
 
2012-11-06 02:47:46 PM
Why Mexico is rooting for U.S. states to legalize pot on election day, Taco Bell strangely silent on the matter

Emphasis mine. Subby has perhaps partaken already today.
 
2012-11-06 02:48:08 PM

WeenerGord: santadog: Your ignorance to the industry shows.
That is all.

Whatever, dude. I don't smoke that shiat at all, but I think it should be completely legal world wide. We are on the same side here, and just cos I think natural conditions are best for plants, you gotta pick a fight with me? Sounds like somebody is worried about losing their weed snob job.


I think that people who professionally grow high-quality cannabis get a bit miffed when folks talk about how easy it is and how you just chuck a few seeds out the window and you're done, because in reality it is actually a tremendous pain in the ass to grow high quality stuff. Sure genetics is part of it, but it takes a pretty keen sense of horticulture and a serious commitment of time and effort to get the job done right.

It's really inaccurate to compare it to growing tomatoes. Exotic orchids would probably be more apt.
 
2012-11-06 02:48:15 PM
Legal pot in the US would cut into the CIA profits.
 
2012-11-06 02:49:18 PM

radarlove: then it took years to grow that plant.


Cannabis is an annual, Donnie.
 
2012-11-06 02:50:35 PM

radarlove: JohnBigBootay: santadog: Guess what? When it's legal, paranoia goes away!!!

Yeah, no. I'm not paranoid from the 5-0 necessarily. I just get all worried about everything on the strong sativas - also, can't sleep. So that's a no go. No problem - there's plenty of fine indicas luckily.

I'm with ya- big indica guy here. Are you old? I've noticed most of us middle-aged-to-old folks prefer indicas, whereas the whippersnappers all like sativas.


Yeah. I am old. Not 50 old, but close enough. At any rate I'm voting for legalization for an odd reason - so I can reliably find weaker strains I like. Up in the PAC NW we've got some strooooooong buds. Some of them too strong for me as I've been a two toke chump for a quarter century and I'm cool with that.

Also, there's lots and lots of folks out there who think they don't like weed because their singular experience wasn't positive - fact is if my first hit had been from a sativa plant I'd think I didn't like weed either. the weed world is a big one and it's 'high' time the average joe knew what he was buying instead of being forced to take the bag of the week with no idea what it is. Might get sativa (not too likely but still), might get indica, might get 3% THC, might get 20% thc.
 
2012-11-06 02:54:20 PM

WeenerGord: radarlove: then it took years to grow that plant.

Cannabis is an annual, Donnie.


Shhhhh! Don't tell that to my 3 year old Big Bud mother, or she'll die!

I like ya, WeenerGord, but you've gotta admit, there are people in this thread who know a lot more about growing pot than you do.
 
2012-11-06 02:58:13 PM

JohnBigBootay: radarlove: JohnBigBootay: santadog: Guess what? When it's legal, paranoia goes away!!!

Yeah, no. I'm not paranoid from the 5-0 necessarily. I just get all worried about everything on the strong sativas - also, can't sleep. So that's a no go. No problem - there's plenty of fine indicas luckily.

I'm with ya- big indica guy here. Are you old? I've noticed most of us middle-aged-to-old folks prefer indicas, whereas the whippersnappers all like sativas.

Yeah. I am old. Not 50 old, but close enough. At any rate I'm voting for legalization for an odd reason - so I can reliably find weaker strains I like. Up in the PAC NW we've got some strooooooong buds. Some of them too strong for me as I've been a two toke chump for a quarter century and I'm cool with that.

Also, there's lots and lots of folks out there who think they don't like weed because their singular experience wasn't positive - fact is if my first hit had been from a sativa plant I'd think I didn't like weed either. the weed world is a big one and it's 'high' time the average joe knew what he was buying instead of being forced to take the bag of the week with no idea what it is. Might get sativa (not too likely but still), might get indica, might get 3% THC, might get 20% thc.


Agreed. Back in Fort Collins I was working on a compendium of strains that I wanted to get published. Easy to do when you're getting three to five new strains to try every week for free. But here in NM, I don't even know what the hell I'm getting and they almost always screw you on the weight.
 
2012-11-06 02:58:45 PM

Wasilla Hillbilly: santadog: Wasilla Hillbilly: What remains to be seen is how it would effective the prices. I suspect the high end stuff would remain about the same with huge influxes of lesser grade for very cheap. If a big enough difference, you might see alot more bubble hash and such around.

Lived in Austin, Texas.. and now in Colorado. When I moved here in 2006, an ounce was the same price as in Austin for good quality bud (around $400). Now, I can get an ounce for $175.00 and it's better than the Texas variety. Prices didn't drop in Austin. We see a ton of hash here.

Interesting. Don't know why but I find it surprising that it would go that low. I guess when people are willing to spend upwards of $20-30 a gram for the best available even in semi-decrim areas, I would expect sellers to find a way to exploit that even if fully legalized. There's always someone willing to pay top dollar for whatever is considered the best or trendy. Similar to champagne.


And including champagne
 
2012-11-06 03:00:37 PM

WeenerGord: santadog: Your ignorance to the industry shows.
That is all.

Whatever, dude. I don't smoke that shiat at all, but I think it should be completely legal world wide. We are on the same side here, and just cos I think natural conditions are best for plants, you gotta pick a fight with me? Sounds like somebody is worried about losing their weed snob job.


I'm not a dude.
Pick a fight? How about educate?
Growing medical marijuana is not a "snob weed job". It's a service that provides patients with M.S, Cancer, chronic pain (like mine from spinal fusion of L4 and L5) and other ailments, relief with an organic alternative to pills.
Worried? I dont' work there anymore, so there's that.
Just stop trying to make like you know what you are talking about, when in reality, you don't.

What do you do for a living? Can I please tell you how it's really done even tho I have no experience?
 
2012-11-06 03:00:59 PM

Strategeryz0r: Am I the only one who finds it funny that Mexico is basically saying that 3 states in the US account for THIRTY PERCENT of the pot the cartels send up?

Way to represent Oregon/Washington/Colorado! USA! USA! USA!


I call bullsh*t on this. All the smokers that I know in the NW either grow their own, get it from a dispensary or sometimes it happens down from Canada. The only place I've seen people smoke that sh*tty Mexican schwag was in the South years ago.
 
2012-11-06 03:02:52 PM

radarlove: I like ya, WeenerGord, but you've gotta admit, there are people in this thread who know a lot more about growing pot than you do.


I don't need a PHD from Weed University to say that I think natural conditions are best for plants, and that it would be amusing if it grew everywhere like dandelions, which was all it took for the weed snobs to descend on me. You do what you have to do to keep it hidden, and keep profits up, and to brag on yourself and promote your mad skilz to keep profits up, I get it.

Will your profits drop if it does become legal and can be grown outside everywhere?
 
2012-11-06 03:02:52 PM

The Decider: By the way, if it does pass, I give it two years before Big Tobacco completely shuts down the small mom and pop sellers and has a monopoly on sales. I have a feeling they've been preparing for this for some time.


Unlikely as long as it remains illegal on a federal level. A multi-state billion dollar company is a big enough target for them. A mom&pop operation grossing under $1M a year normally isn't.

SirEattonHogg: If he ever had a pot brownie, he'd know the diff. It ain't that tasty. Luckily, I work for an industry that allows me to blaze or snort up. I don't partake, but nice to know I am not beholden to such restrictions.


Despite my support for legalizing it, I don't use. I've never used. How the heck would I know the difference, especially if I can chalk it up to 'wierd foreigner tastes' in a different country and simply figure the brownie was nasty? Or, in this case, that a weed infused brownie shouldn't taste like a normal one?

I support legalization because I think drug abuse should be treated as a medical issue, and legalization would help both that and defunding the organized gangs.

CheatCommando: Phillip Morris and RJR probably have contingency plans in place in the event of legalization, and then the cartels will find how hard it is to compete with people who have the financial muscle to start wars.


I'd say 'end wars'. Cartels can start them, but can't finish them. That being said, the cartels would have the trouble that to nix Morris's weed fields would put them up against not only Phillip Morris's private security, but even the police and US Military if they get too out of hand.

Not to mention the sheer scale at which commercial growers can operate on. You could ruin half their fields and they'd still be producing more weed at less than half the cost.
 
2012-11-06 03:03:22 PM

you have pee hands: Grammatik Polizei: Mexican cartels get more cash from heroin and meth. I don't think legalized pot will cut into their take much...

/drtfa

They get 40-50% of their total from pot from what I've read. They'll still be big orgs, but it would take a big bite out. And if some states legalize pot, and *gasp* nothing changes, maybe people will be more open to taking a look at our drug laws in a more general way.




You still can't buy alcohol in Indiana on Sundays.
 
2012-11-06 03:04:40 PM

santadog: Can I please tell you how it's really done even tho I have no experience?


You just go right ahead and try. It's a free country. Supposedly.
 
2012-11-06 03:16:07 PM

WeenerGord: I don't need a PHD from Weed University to say that I think natural conditions are best for plants


You're absolutely correct, you don't need any experience whatsoever to say that. But you do need some degree of experience to be right about it, and if you're not right in your assertions, then you damn well better expect people with more experience to correct you on it.

I'm sorry if you feel attacked by me, that was not my intention. Correcting erroneous information was.
 
2012-11-06 03:17:46 PM
Is a Mexican Think Tank anything like a keg of Carona?
 
2012-11-06 03:18:55 PM
It will be interesting when monesato gets into the GM pot game. They will probably come up with some low to mid grade stuff optimised for low labour production and start sueing the crap out of any nearby outdoor growers for having thier patented genes in thier crop. It should drive everything indoors. Then they can lobby for insane regulations on greenhouses to shut out most competitors.
 
2012-11-06 03:24:18 PM

WeenerGord: radarlove: I like ya, WeenerGord, but you've gotta admit, there are people in this thread who know a lot more about growing pot than you do.

I don't need a PHD from Weed University to say that I think natural conditions are best for plants, and that it would be amusing if it grew everywhere like dandelions, which was all it took for the weed snobs to descend on me. You do what you have to do to keep it hidden, and keep profits up, and to brag on yourself and promote your mad skilz to keep profits up, I get it.

Will your profits drop if it does become legal and can be grown outside everywhere?


The price will drop on the quality that gets created from growing outdoor, which is subpar, harsh and dirty due to the growing conditions and simply cannot compete with something grown indoor with perfect conditions. Perfect conditions vs random conditions. Stop talking about this because you dont know anything. Its ok that you are on the same side, but it doesnt remove your stupidity on the subject.
 
2012-11-06 03:28:29 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: You still can't buy alcohol in Indiana on Sundays.


Wow, you're worse than Pennsylvania. We couldn't buy alcohol on Sundays until a couple years ago, but eventually those sweet, sweet tax dollars won out.
 
PJ-
2012-11-06 03:38:23 PM

WeenerGord: radarlove: I like ya, WeenerGord, but you've gotta admit, there are people in this thread who know a lot more about growing pot than you do.

I don't need a PHD from Weed University to say that I think natural conditions are best for plants, and that it would be amusing if it grew everywhere like dandelions, which was all it took for the weed snobs to descend on me. You do what you have to do to keep it hidden, and keep profits up, and to brag on yourself and promote your mad skilz to keep profits up, I get it.

Will your profits drop if it does become legal and can be grown outside everywhere?


That is where you are wrong when it comes to high potency marijuana. Natural conditions for plants isn't always the best, as there is a lot more work to growing the good stuff. Monitoring PH levels, ensuring that the plant is getting proper nutrients for the certain stages of the growth, making sure that males and females are separated are just a few things to worry about. Using a tomato as an example, which location will produce a better tomato? An indoor farm, with proper watering equipment on a timer to ensure optimal water conditions in the plant with a regulated temperature using high quality soil, or from a farm that uses pesticides, watering is determined on looming temperature conditions and using recycled soil and manure to supplement nutrients?

Sure, you could throw a few seeds in the ground and hope for the best, but odds are you will be left with a plant that is producing no buds, effectively leaving you with a weed in your garden. But if you are lucky enough to plant one successful female, leaving it alone for the most part (watering and such aside) you will be able to have a smokable product, but pales in comparison to a plant grown indoors using a hydroponic setup.

For anybody trying to use the whole 'weed snob' approach, clearly you don't partake, or don't have the options of getting different strains. M39, White Rhino, Freezeline/freezeland, Blueberry all give you different kinds of highs, while also each having their own unique taste. Sure, you can say 'well you are just looking to get high', to which I say 'what kind of high?' Body buzz? Coma? Just a little tweak? There is a lot about weed that you can take into account, don't be mad that you aren't educated enough on the subject to take part, and feel the need to insult people over it.
 
2012-11-06 03:39:18 PM

radarlove: you damn well better expect people with more experience to correct you


All that I expect, is that no matter what you say on Fark, some assclown may pop up and troll you, and sure enough, it continues to happen.

You sure are full of yourself. Where TF do you get all your imagined "experience"? Do you have a horticultural degree?
 
2012-11-06 03:42:32 PM
local grown medicinal is far superior, and nobody died smuggling it across the desert.
 
2012-11-06 03:43:57 PM

Grammatik Polizei: Mexican cartels get more cash from heroin and meth. I don't think legalized pot will cut into their take much...

/drtfa


That's one chance I'm willing to take.
 
2012-11-06 03:45:31 PM

WeenerGord: radarlove: you damn well better expect people with more experience to correct you

All that I expect, is that no matter what you say on Fark, some assclown may pop up and troll you, and sure enough, it continues to happen.

You sure are full of yourself. Where TF do you get all your imagined "experience"? Do you have a horticultural degree?


Because it was his job. Just like it was my job.

What is it that you do for a living again?
 
2012-11-06 03:47:08 PM
In case anyone asks, I voted. I haven't missed a.....goddamit I Always vote and I'm 42. I put my thumb up.......
 
PJ-
2012-11-06 03:48:40 PM

WeenerGord: radarlove: you damn well better expect people with more experience to correct you

All that I expect, is that no matter what you say on Fark, some assclown may pop up and troll you, and sure enough, it continues to happen.

You sure are full of yourself. Where TF do you get all your imagined "experience"? Do you have a horticultural degree?


You do realize that there are people who chose to educate themselves on subjects that interest them. When it comes to weed, it's very easy to get educated by experts on the subject if you have a proper dealer. You can also get educated by visiting this magical place called the internet, where millions of people go regularly and offer their experiences on a wide variety of subjects.

To be quite honest though, how a plant will turn out is a pretty simple concept. The better the conditions, the better the product. Better soil, lighting, water, nutrients will always beat out natural growing conditions. Natural growing conditions aren't the same where you go around the world, some soil has less nutrients, so you have to supplement while others have things in the soil you don't want, and have to deal with that. With monitored soil, water and everything else, you know your plant is getting the specific requirements for it to thrive.

Don't be mad that there are people here that clearly are educated on this particular subject. If someone started saying a lot of ignorant statements in whatever your field of expertise is, wouldn't you feel compelled to correct them to ensure that they are speaking facts rather than fiction?
 
2012-11-06 03:50:42 PM

PJ-: Sure, you could throw a few seeds in the ground and hope for the best, but odds are


Where are you getting your odds? You are making them up, aren't you? You haven't done a study of natural vs hidden greenhouse, you are just claiming that what you have to do is the best, then claiming that you are "educated" and superior. I think you are full of shiat.
 
2012-11-06 03:51:30 PM

WeenerGord: santadog: Your ignorance to the industry shows.
That is all.

Whatever, dude. I don't smoke that shiat at all, but I think it should be completely legal world wide. We are on the same side here, and just cos I think natural conditions are best for plants, you gotta pick a fight with me? Sounds like somebody is worried about losing their weed snob job.


We aren't picking a fight with you because you think natural conditions are best. We're telling you that you are uninformed, ignorant, and flat out wrong. You obviously don't know much about the plant itself nor the industry surrounding it.
 
2012-11-06 03:51:32 PM

JohnBigBootay: SearchN: If you live in Colorado, yes.

/Just finished voting for legalization.


Or Washington. Where it is polling ahead by a substantial margin.


Yea just heard on the radio Washington and another (3rd) state are voting on it today as well, I just can't remember which. I am being optimistic about both Washington and Colorado. We try to pass something every cycle up here and we keep getting closer and closer. Really hoping it passes this time around, but it being an amendment to the state constitution has turned a lot of people off to it that otherwise are OK with legalization.
 
2012-11-06 03:51:43 PM
I started smoking in '77 and it wasn't long after that I started growing. Anybody can grow decent weed. Growing EXCELLENT weed requires two things. First and foremost, you need quality genetics. Sure, you can take bag seed from some decent street weed and end up with something better than what you started with, but the real high grade stuff comes from quality genetics. Secondly, you need to be able to provide the proper environment and nutrients in a consistent manner.

Anybody can grow great weed with the proper knowlege, quality genetics and correct environment. It ain't rocket surgery. It does have a learning curve, but like anything, once you've conquered that, it really is easy, though the bigger the grow, the more work and time it requires.

I've smoked the best (and worst!) money can buy. I've grown some of the best (and worst!) a person could hope for, both indoors and out.

That being said, the 2nd best stuff I've ever smoked was grown by me, and was a simple cross I made. I was accused of lacing it with something by several people it was so potent. Good genetics, loving care and a bit of luck.

The absolute best though, was some outdoor grown by an Alabama redneck. Yowza. 

It ain't hard to do, but not everyone has the patience and willingness to learn. I find it easy, but I enjoy doing it and I seem to have a natural knack for it. Then again, I know people that can kill cactus, so it just goes to show growing ain't for everybody.
 
2012-11-06 03:52:02 PM

PJ-: Blueberry


Oh hell yeah. I'd buy that shiat and put it in a little wicker basket by the front door over the holidays just because it smells so damn wonderful.
 
2012-11-06 03:52:44 PM

AllUpInYa: My concern is that we'd be importing the fighting, terrorism and corruption that exists in Mexico. because of the drug trade.
Cartel grow ops, trying to dominate the market; using whatever means to remove competition from the market.

Is it a bit naive to think that if the borders are changed, that Cartels will give up their old ways?


they'll have no incentive to continue violence. they either adapt to the new method of legitimate sales or they languish against corporate competition which was bred in the American gauntlet of business success.
 
2012-11-06 03:55:16 PM

SearchN: Yea just heard on the radio Washington and another (3rd) state are voting on it today as well, I just can't remember which. I am being optimistic about both Washington and Colorado. We try to pass something every cycle up here and we keep getting closer and closer. Really hoping it passes this time around, but it being an amendment to the state constitution has turned a lot of people off to it that otherwise are OK with legalization.


There's problems with all the bills up right now. I say vote for them anyway. If for no other reason than to start the national conversation in earnest and end this bizarre schedule 1 controlled substance bullshiat. Like I said - weed is easy to find and I've never had a legal problem over the decades. But it's time to end the ruining of lives by saddling young people with criminal records that haunt them in job searches for the rest of their lives. Legalize it and we can sort out the DUI stuff, etc. on down the road.
 
2012-11-06 03:55:48 PM

WeenerGord: radarlove: you damn well better expect people with more experience to correct you

All that I expect, is that no matter what you say on Fark, some assclown may pop up and troll you, and sure enough, it continues to happen.

You sure are full of yourself. Where TF do you get all your imagined "experience"? Do you have a horticultural degree?


Holy shiat man, you've flown off the deep end. If you actually read the thread, you'd know that radarlove worked at a dispensary.

It's not trolling to correct someone when they're spouting wrong information. It is trolling to ignore that correct information and contnue to talk out of your ass.
 
PJ-
2012-11-06 04:02:20 PM

WeenerGord: PJ-: Sure, you could throw a few seeds in the ground and hope for the best, but odds are

Where are you getting your odds? You are making them up, aren't you? You haven't done a study of natural vs hidden greenhouse, you are just claiming that what you have to do is the best, then claiming that you are "educated" and superior. I think you are full of shiat.


I'm getting my odds from my personal experience in growing plants in my youth. I've done my own studies on natural vs. greenhouse whether you chose to acknowledge that or not. I don't think i'm superior in the slightest, this subject just happened to take a big part of my youth.

If you really want to realize the difference between natural vs. hidden greenhouse, go find some people who smoke on a regular basis and ask them one question. 'Indo or Outo?' While not everybody will chose indo, because it's not the buzz they like (headaches, too incoherent to function, etc.), but a majority of the time indoor is a better product. It's easier to monitor the PH levels (like I mentioned earlier), easier to have a regular watering schedule (outdoors can be drowned or dehydrated very easily), and lessens the chance to have vermin destroying the plants.

Also, if someone is willing to spend money on a good indoor hydroponic grow op, they will be willing to spend money on a proper cropper. This ensures less leaf, less stems and less seeds, which gives you more smokable product for your dollar.
 
2012-11-06 04:02:36 PM

SquiggsIN: We're telling you that you are uninformed, ignorant, and flat out wrong.


This from a clown who smokes an ounce of marijuana a day. Yeah, I'm gonna be all impressed by anything you have to say. (not)

scottydoesntknow: It is trolling to ignore that correct information and contnue to talk out of your ass.


You'd know 

You idiots are beginning to change my mind tho. Maybe marijuana should NOT be legalized. It makes people stupid.
 
2012-11-06 04:04:10 PM

you have pee hands: HellRaisingHoosier: You still can't buy alcohol in Indiana on Sundays.

Wow, you're worse than Pennsylvania. We couldn't buy alcohol on Sundays until a couple years ago, but eventually those sweet, sweet tax dollars won out.


The package liquor and distributor lobby in Indiana is very, very powerful. They don't want to compete with grocery stores and other places that are already open 7 days a week. The same people that complain about too much government regulation are the same people supporting the continued ban on alcohol sales on Sundays.

/also, you cannot buy a car in Indiana on a Sunday. It's illegal to operate a dealership on Sundays in this stupid, backwards state.
 
2012-11-06 04:04:49 PM

WeenerGord: SquiggsIN: We're telling you that you are uninformed, ignorant, and flat out wrong.

This from a clown who smokes an ounce of marijuana a day. Yeah, I'm gonna be all impressed by anything you have to say. (not)

scottydoesntknow: It is trolling to ignore that correct information and contnue to talk out of your ass.

You'd know 

You idiots are beginning to change my mind tho. Maybe marijuana should NOT be legalized. It makes people stupid.


He actually said his friend does.. but hey.. who's keeping score?
 
PJ-
2012-11-06 04:04:55 PM
I'll leave one more thought here for this thread.

No stems no seeds that you don't need! That Acapulco gold is *puff puff* bad ass weed.
 
2012-11-06 04:05:17 PM

WeenerGord: radarlove: you damn well better expect people with more experience to correct you

All that I expect, is that no matter what you say on Fark, some assclown may pop up and troll you, and sure enough, it continues to happen.

You sure are full of yourself. Where TF do you get all your imagined "experience"? Do you have a horticultural degree?


That's because due to its gigantic userbase, no matter what you say on Fark someone is bound to know more about the subject than you. I don't go into lifeguard threads and say, "Backstroke is clearly better than breaststroke!" because I know shiat all about swimming and I know I'll get my ass handed to me. In fact, there are really only two things that I really know well because there are only two industries that I've spent a considerable amount of time in: the Medical Marijuana industry and the Adult Entertainment industry. I've spent many years in each and so I feel comfortable jumping into discussions about them and contributing. But the fact of the matter is that there is still probably someone on Fark who knows a lot more about growing pot or making smut than I do, and I generally cede to their experience. On any other topic, I pretty much know dick-all and freely admit to it. Except maybe eschatology, but that's just a hobby.

With regards to cannabis, I could spend every single day for the rest of my life learning something new about this plant and still never learn everything about it. It is a beautifully complex plant and I find it to be very humbling to my supposed intelligence and experience.
 
2012-11-06 04:05:55 PM

baronvonzipper: Mexican pot grows in the Northwest is the main reason I hike in the woods openly armed. They are everywhere out here.

/know your producer


hmm

i've considered carrying my heater when i go biking on trails around here, but just can't figure a way to do it that makes it at all accessible (backpack?? good luck getting to it in time --- some kind of holster on the bike frame ?? maybe i guess)

though my reasoning is more for bears / other critters &/or the occasional Nam vet or just crazy people in the woods

haven't come across a grow op - unless i cruised right past it
 
2012-11-06 04:10:47 PM

santadog: vudukungfu: santadog: I consume an ounce a month,

That's. . . a lot.
Soon you will have MASD telling you you're chronic.
Just like if you drink more than one beer in a lifetime.

It's not really. I'm a light weight in many circles.

/Spinal fusion L4/L5, chronic nerve pain.


an O a month?
only when the $ allows for it

/really not that much - granted, it's relative
//no spinal fusion or other terrible-ness - just don't like booze
///booze really don't like me - whiskey is the devil
 
2012-11-06 04:12:34 PM

inner ted: baronvonzipper: Mexican pot grows in the Northwest is the main reason I hike in the woods openly armed. They are everywhere out here.

/know your producer

hmm

i've considered carrying my heater when i go biking on trails around here, but just can't figure a way to do it that makes it at all accessible (backpack?? good luck getting to it in time --- some kind of holster on the bike frame ?? maybe i guess)

though my reasoning is more for bears / other critters &/or the occasional Nam vet or just crazy people in the woods

haven't come across a grow op - unless i cruised right past it


About 10 years ago, when I lived in San Diego, they found a HUGE grow op on Mount Palomar--home of the well-known observatory and a state park. It was over 100,000 plants, IIRC.

There were others in remote areas of state parks and even national parks. There probably still are. Guys would hike for miles with bags of fertilizer and other supplies, divert streams for irrigation, and leave mounds of trash and chemicals lying around after the harvest.
 
2012-11-06 04:12:44 PM

radarlove:
That's because due to its gigantic userbase, no matter what you say on Fark someone is bound to...Perfectly crommulant redacted... I find it to be very humbling to my supposed intelligence and experience.




How could you have experience in the Adult entertainment industry and not know if back stroke is better than breast stroke?
 
2012-11-06 04:12:55 PM

WeenerGord: SquiggsIN: We're telling you that you are uninformed, ignorant, and flat out wrong.

This from a clown who smokes an ounce of marijuana a day. Yeah, I'm gonna be all impressed by anything you have to say. (not)

scottydoesntknow: It is trolling to ignore that correct information and contnue to talk out of your ass.

You'd know 

You idiots are beginning to change my mind tho. Maybe marijuana should NOT be legalized. It makes people stupid.


Your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. I never said I smoked an ounce. As a matter of fact I almost NEVER smoke. When I do use cannabis recreationally I prefer a vaporizer. I do, however, have a cousin who does smoke between a half and a full ounce every single day.

Refusing to admit you are incorrect when faced with contradicting evidence is a sign of a delusional person. I don't mean to insult you but, perhaps you should seek help. Cannabis doesn't make people stupid, listening to stubborn fools like you, however, does spread ignorance. (which still doesn't make anyone stupid, ignorance isn't stupidity)
 
2012-11-06 04:13:49 PM

Wasilla Hillbilly: santadog: Wasilla Hillbilly: What remains to be seen is how it would effective the prices. I suspect the high end stuff would remain about the same with huge influxes of lesser grade for very cheap. If a big enough difference, you might see alot more bubble hash and such around.

Lived in Austin, Texas.. and now in Colorado. When I moved here in 2006, an ounce was the same price as in Austin for good quality bud (around $400). Now, I can get an ounce for $175.00 and it's better than the Texas variety. Prices didn't drop in Austin. We see a ton of hash here.

Interesting. Don't know why but I find it surprising that it would go that low. I guess when people are willing to spend upwards of $20-30 a gram for the best available even in semi-decrim areas, I would expect sellers to find a way to exploit that even if fully legalized. There's always someone willing to pay top dollar for whatever is considered the best or trendy. Similar to champagne.


prices fell here too
not sure if it was just the recession (hard to believe)
or if it was the glut of 'legal' herb

but something drove down costs

/from what i've heard
//not biatching
//portland, oregon
 
2012-11-06 04:15:57 PM

radarlove: WeenerGord: radarlove: you damn well better expect people with more experience to correct you

All that I expect, is that no matter what you say on Fark, some assclown may pop up and troll you, and sure enough, it continues to happen.

You sure are full of yourself. Where TF do you get all your imagined "experience"? Do you have a horticultural degree?

That's because due to its gigantic userbase, no matter what you say on Fark someone is bound to know more about the subject than you. I don't go into lifeguard threads and say, "Backstroke is clearly better than breaststroke!" because I know shiat all about swimming and I know I'll get my ass handed to me. In fact, there are really only two things that I really know well because there are only two industries that I've spent a considerable amount of time in: the Medical Marijuana industry and the Adult Entertainment industry. I've spent many years in each and so I feel comfortable jumping into discussions about them and contributing. But the fact of the matter is that there is still probably someone on Fark who knows a lot more about growing pot or making smut than I do, and I generally cede to their experience. On any other topic, I pretty much know dick-all and freely admit to it. Except maybe eschatology, but that's just a hobby.

With regards to cannabis, I could spend every single day for the rest of my life learning something new about this plant and still never learn everything about it. It is a beautifully complex plant and I find it to be very humbling to my supposed intelligence and experience.


it's just a gay plant
 
2012-11-06 04:18:15 PM

vudukungfu: radarlove:
That's because due to its gigantic userbase, no matter what you say on Fark someone is bound to...Perfectly crommulant redacted... I find it to be very humbling to my supposed intelligence and experience.



How could you have experience in the Adult entertainment industry and not know if back stroke is better than breast stroke?


Because I worked in...

25.media.tumblr.com

...both ends of the industry.

/YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!
 
2012-11-06 04:21:58 PM

inner ted: santadog: vudukungfu: santadog: I consume an ounce a month,

That's. . . a lot.
Soon you will have MASD telling you you're chronic.
Just like if you drink more than one beer in a lifetime.

It's not really. I'm a light weight in many circles.

/Spinal fusion L4/L5, chronic nerve pain.

an O a month?
only when the $ allows for it

/really not that much - granted, it's relative
//no spinal fusion or other terrible-ness - just don't like booze
///booze really don't like me - whiskey is the devil


It's $175 per month. :D
 
2012-11-06 04:21:59 PM
OK, admit it.
All you farkeres are stoned right now.
 
2012-11-06 04:23:23 PM

scottydoesntknow: They said, however, that they did not believe that production will rob the cartels of significant profits, saying instead that they thought Mexican drug lords would instead try to participate in legal production inside the U.S.

Except in my experience mexican weed sucks so much. It stinks like ass, has waaaay too many sticks/seeds, and is dryer than an 80-year-old nun. The only reason people purchased mexican brick weed is because it's the only thing available. If (or when) legalized, the cartels would have to seriously ramp up their production/cultivation methods (which increases costs) or watch as every person passes their "Helado y Molta" push cart and goes into a legal herb shop.


So much THIS. I had a roommate with a medical marijuana card and, as he described the dispensaries to me, they sound wonderful. Multiple high-quality strains to choose from, and the prices were comparable to what you'd pay on the street (for good quality; Mexican ditch weed is much cheaper of course). Plus, the added bonus of having a clean, controlled actual store to buy from. I'd gladly pay more for a high quality, safely available product.

Full legalization isn't gonna happen in my state anytime soon but if even one of these three bills passes I think it'll create a ripple effect, or at least open the dialog in favor of legalization. I think we'll see legalization in my lifetime, maybe not til I'm old and gray but by then I'll probably need the stuff for medical reasons.
 
2012-11-06 04:27:11 PM
FTFA: "It then assumes that purchasers around the U.S. will choose domestic marijuana when it is sold cheaper than the current price of Mexican marijuana."

That isn't an assumption. That is a Fact.
 
2012-11-06 04:27:41 PM

vudukungfu: OK, admit it.
All you farkeres are stoned right now.


I'm not. Yet. I'm currently doing research on my next batch of home brew. Can't skew the results by adding additional variables y'know
 
2012-11-06 04:28:04 PM

radarlove: In fact, there are really only two things that I really know well because there are only two industries that I've spent a considerable amount of time in: the Medical Marijuana industry and the Adult Entertainment industry.


I'm guessing that your memoirs will make an interesting read.
 
2012-11-06 04:29:37 PM

Firethorn: Grammatik Polizei: Mexican cartels get more cash from heroin and meth. I don't think legalized pot will cut into their take much...

/drtfa

I think that most of their profits are from weed - it's just that heroin and meth are higher margin.

Another benefit is that under legalization, you'd have fewer growers out in parks and reserves ready to shoot innocent campers and hikers.


And dumping fertilizer into environmentally sensitive land and waterways. It would be much better to regulate marijuana as any other crop, and I'm sure there would be a demand for certified organic, non-GMO mj.
 
2012-11-06 04:32:38 PM
Tobacco is legal for anyone to grow. in fact, it's actually a very plant when mature and flowering, and many people do grow it as an ornamental plant.

of course, to process it into something smokeable takes the better part of two years. After the growing season, the leaves have to be cut and gathered in a certain way, hung orderly in favorable environment for curing so that they don't rot or mold. and if handled properly and cut appropriately, the flavor will continue and develop with age. and yes, genetics, play a big role as well. when you see tobacco labeled as Virgina leaf, they are referring to the plant, NOT that it was necessarily grown in Virginia. truth be known, most tobacco grown in this country is usually Virginia leaf coming from the Carolinas I have danish grown and cut Virginia leaf that's just a wonderful example of the tobacconists art.

I have some 30 year old pipe tobacco that is phenomenal in a good seasoned pipe, or in a clay pipe so the tobacco shows and not the pipe. robust, almost leathery.. kinda like you are smoking and old book... it tastes better than that sounds, I assure you.

Point is.. any one can grow and cure their own tobacco, not to many do because its a fairly drawn out and labor intensive process to end up with a quality product. They go to the tobbaconist because it's convient to do so and most people trust the grower or crafts man to do the heavy lifting for them.

MOST PEOPLE

Legalization of Marijuana will follow the same path. there will be producers, and there will be consumers. and there will be FAR more consumers than producers. I seriously doubt if you will just b able to by a flat of seedlings from Lowes, I just don't think that there will be that much actual consumer interest in doing so.
not to mention, as far as I know, anyone can grow Hemp and or marijuana if you want to, you just need to purchase the agricultural tax stamp in order to do so, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

and that's not even speaking to the notion that just because the stuff is legalized on a state level, doesn't change the fact that its still tied up in the Volstead act on a federal level.

I don't smoke very often any more. only at home, and if I don't have to work the next day, if I'm hurting. I always keep a little around just for that, and mix it with tobacco when I do.

I want to see it legelized all the way around for everybody though, most notably because I'm against prohibition in it's entirety. but then, I make beer for a living. it's in my best interests to believe so. .
 
2012-11-06 04:33:04 PM

vudukungfu: OK, admit it.
All you farkeres are stoned right now.


i wish i could be. despite all fark evidence to the contrary i'm too busy today to get high.
 
2012-11-06 04:34:26 PM

flizzard: scottydoesntknow: signaljammer: The tobacco and beer analogies are weak, because their production requires lots more equipment and time than weed. Funny, people here who shout that growing weed is a mini-Manhattan-project never seem to describe the intricacies they allude to.

//wee bit harder than tomatoes
//emphasis on wee

Please stop pretending that growing actual GOOD cannabis is easy. Sure you can just throw some seeds in your backyard and get weed, but to actually have a strain that will kick your ass in one hit takes work.

Hell most people don't grow their own tomatoes, what makes you think they'll suddenly decide to grow cannabis?

Oh I'll "suddenly decide to," because I don't want to eat a handful of tomatoes on a sunny Sunday morning and go for a long walk in the park? I've tried it with tomatoes. It's not the same.


I dunno. Depends on how you do it...

i478.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-06 04:36:50 PM

vudukungfu: OK, admit it.
All you farkeres are stoned right now.


Good gods I wish.
 
2012-11-06 04:38:00 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: it's just a gay plant


What a gay plant might look like:

static.environmentalgraffiti.com
 
2012-11-06 04:44:04 PM
Taco Bell?

What does the Mexican phone company have to do with this?
 
2012-11-06 04:47:29 PM

SquiggsIN: Refusing to admit you are incorrect when faced with contradicting evidence is a sign of a delusional person. I don't mean to insult you but, perhaps you should seek help.


So now everyone who disagrees with you on the internet requires psychiatric intervention? That's a new low.

SquiggsIN: Cannabis doesn't make people stupid,


Oh, yes it does. Studies have shown that it does lower intelligence, although minimally.

SquiggsIN: listening to stubborn fools like you, however, does spread ignorance.


Ignorance is a state of being uninformed So, after reading my comments, people actually know less than they did before they read my comments? I have the power to erase knowledge from men's minds!!! Muahahaha!

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2012-11-06 04:54:58 PM

WeenerGord: SquiggsIN: Refusing to admit you are incorrect when faced with contradicting evidence is a sign of a delusional person. I don't mean to insult you but, perhaps you should seek help.

So now everyone who disagrees with you on the internet requires psychiatric intervention? That's a new low.

SquiggsIN: Cannabis doesn't make people stupid,

Oh, yes it does. Studies have shown that it does lower intelligence, although minimally.

SquiggsIN: listening to stubborn fools like you, however, does spread ignorance.

Ignorance is a state of being uninformed So, after reading my comments, people actually know less than they did before they read my comments? I have the power to erase knowledge from men's minds!!! Muahahaha!

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Tell that to my Genetics Prof. friend with 4 PHDs form Cornell, MIT, and UT. Just sayin.

And the only studies I can find, are in association to the developing brains of children.
 
2012-11-06 05:02:00 PM

WeenerGord: So now everyone who disagrees with you on the internet requires psychiatric intervention? That's a new low.


Seriously dude, you've made yourself look like an absolute moron in this thread, just stop talking.
 
2012-11-06 05:03:41 PM

WeenerGord: SquiggsIN: Cannabis doesn't make people stupid,

Oh, yes it does. Studies have shown that it does lower intelligence, although minimally.


I have to side with the Weiner on this one. There was a fark-linked article in the past couple of months that indicated that moderate smoking permanently lowered your IQ by a few points.
 
2012-11-06 05:08:31 PM

WeenerGord: SquiggsIN: Refusing to admit you are incorrect when faced with contradicting evidence is a sign of a delusional person. I don't mean to insult you but, perhaps you should seek help.

So now everyone who disagrees with you on the internet requires psychiatric intervention? That's a new low.


That's not true and Squiggles was wrong for saying as much. You're not a stupid person, or a crazy person, you're simply wrong about one small piece of information and have been very stubborn in your refusal to accept that you were wrong. It's okay, lots of people are like that. My old man is the same way- he thinks he knows literally everything about everything and if you tell him he's incorrect about something he'll shout you down. Lots and lots of folks are like that.

SquiggsIN: Cannabis doesn't make people stupid,

Oh, yes it does. Studies have shown that it does lower intelligence, although minimally.


True, but that was only in adolescents.

SquiggsIN: listening to stubborn fools like you, however, does spread ignorance.

Ignorance is a state of being uninformed So, after reading my comments, people actually know less than they did before they read my comments? I have the power to erase knowledge from men's minds!!! Muahahaha!


I think it would be more accurate to say that you're unknowingly spreading misinformation, which indeed could lead to other people being misinformed as well. You don't have the power to erase knowledge, but you do have the power to alter and influence it. We all do. We are very social creatures and this is largely how we learn- by listening to others. The first step, though, is humbly admitting that you don't know everything and that others out there have something to teach you.
 
2012-11-06 05:10:42 PM

SquiggsIN: vudukungfu : everything you said is accurate except the 2 plants = 1 year supply part. Look at places where cannabis is grown legally and they are not getting those yields even with the best methods. Most plants aren't going to get you more than an ounce or a few at most. Even the highest quality cannabis can be consumed at rates of an ounce a week or more. (I have a cousin that burns about a half an ounce a day)

Just like brewing your own beer or wine, with legalized cannabis there will be ridiculous regulations preventing the sale or transfer to other parties. Most people will seek distributors for the convenience factor. However, just like microbrewers/vintners, there will always be connoisseurs who see their products as an art form and would want to grow their own.



Two plants a year works for me.
www.esquire.com
 
2012-11-06 06:06:34 PM

JohnBigBootay: Or Washington. Where it is polling ahead by a substantial margin.


Where are you following the elections?

Every place I've pulled up still has zeros for everything.
 
2012-11-06 06:26:19 PM

Leeds: WeenerGord: SquiggsIN: Cannabis doesn't make people stupid,

Oh, yes it does. Studies have shown that it does lower intelligence, although minimally.

I have to side with the Weiner on this one. There was a fark-linked article in the past couple of months that indicated that moderate smoking permanently lowered your IQ by a few points.


And there are studies you, the American taxpayer has funded not once, but three times.
These studies refute this information. The plant is found to be non-toxic with no, none, not any long term effects.
There is a consensus(a "real" one) of these studies for decriminalizing the plant.
Your elected officials, both GOP and DFL have totally ignored the advice they spent krillions of your dollars obtaining.
Go figure.
 
2012-11-06 06:29:57 PM

radarlove: WeenerGord: radarlove: you damn well better expect people with more experience to correct you

All that I expect, is that no matter what you say on Fark, some assclown may pop up and troll you, and sure enough, it continues to happen.

You sure are full of yourself. Where TF do you get all your imagined "experience"? Do you have a horticultural degree?

That's because due to its gigantic userbase, no matter what you say on Fark someone is bound to know more about the subject than you. I don't go into lifeguard threads and say, "Backstroke is clearly better than breaststroke!" because I know shiat all about swimming and I know I'll get my ass handed to me. In fact, there are really only two things that I really know well because there are only two industries that I've spent a considerable amount of time in: the Medical Marijuana industry and the Adult Entertainment industry. I've spent many years in each and so I feel comfortable jumping into discussions about them and contributing. But the fact of the matter is that there is still probably someone on Fark who knows a lot more about growing pot or making smut than I do, and I generally cede to their experience. On any other topic, I pretty much know dick-all and freely admit to it. Except maybe eschatology, but that's just a hobby.

With regards to cannabis, I could spend every single day for the rest of my life learning something new about this plant and still never learn everything about it. It is a beautifully complex plant and I find it to be very humbling to my supposed intelligence and experience.


We do have all of recorded history with the plant to research.
 
2012-11-06 06:30:51 PM

Snarfangel: That choice will lead to a loss of $1.425 billion to the cartels if Colorado legalizes, $1.372 billion if Washington approves the ballot measure, and $1.839 billion if Oregon votes yes, the study says.

Woohoo, Oregon wins!

/Do we smoke the most pot or something?


I think that Eugene is pulling most of the weight on this one...
 
2012-11-06 06:36:35 PM

snocone: We do have all of recorded history with the plant to research.


Sure, but 3,500 years of recorded use is a lot for me to dig through and I'd rather learn by experience in this case. ;-)
 
2012-11-06 06:47:21 PM
snocone

The plant is found to be non-toxic with no, none, not any long term effects.

Except for lung cancer, but that's no big deal.
 
2012-11-06 06:49:30 PM
where'd weenergord go?

I was really hoping he'd attempt to support his argument on a topic he knows next to nothing about.

I guess it was just an internet argument where supporting your position is less required the more stubborn you are.
 
2012-11-06 06:57:45 PM

Civil_War2_Time: snocone

The plant is found to be non-toxic with no, none, not any long term effects.

Except for lung cancer, but that's no big deal.


Incorrect. Smoking anything produces carcinogens, to be sure, but cannabis has actually been shown to have anti-tumorial benefits, and there are a whole host of ways of indulging in it that do not require combustion and produce zero carcinogens.
 
2012-11-06 07:08:40 PM

Spam Pajamas: Two plants a year works for me.


I hope it grows up to be big and strong.
 
2012-11-06 07:15:45 PM

radarlove: Civil_War2_Time: snocone

The plant is found to be non-toxic with no, none, not any long term effects.

Except for lung cancer, but that's no big deal.

Incorrect. Smoking anything produces carcinogens, to be sure, but cannabis has actually been shown to have anti-tumorial benefits, and there are a whole host of ways of indulging in it that do not require combustion and produce zero carcinogens.


thing is, much of the same could be said of tobacco if you wanted to .
MUCH, not ALL..

you can just as easily pack your vaporizer with tobacco as you can with pot.

no idea why you would want to, but it can be done.

why are you arguing with people that fundamentally agree with you?
 
2012-11-06 07:18:55 PM

radarlove: Civil_War2_Time: snocone

The plant is found to be non-toxic with no, none, not any long term effects.

Except for lung cancer, but that's no big deal.

Incorrect. Smoking anything produces carcinogens, to be sure, but cannabis has actually been shown to have anti-tumorial benefits, and there are a whole host of ways of indulging in it that do not require combustion and produce zero carcinogens.


You and I both know that most people that partake in intaking weed don't do it through brownies, and/or any other method. I was an 18 year smoker, and I only ate brownies three times during that span. I don't intake any nowadays, and I don't miss it at all.

Yes, it has great benefits when taken in through a vaporizer or through brownies, there is NO argument against that. It's just not nearly the norm in any way, shape or form. A joint (or blunt) is probably at least 75% of the way people partake, and you know that.
 
2012-11-06 07:24:21 PM

Cerebral Knievel: radarlove: Civil_War2_Time: snocone

The plant is found to be non-toxic with no, none, not any long term effects.

Except for lung cancer, but that's no big deal.

Incorrect. Smoking anything produces carcinogens, to be sure, but cannabis has actually been shown to have anti-tumorial benefits, and there are a whole host of ways of indulging in it that do not require combustion and produce zero carcinogens.

thing is, much of the same could be said of tobacco if you wanted to .
MUCH, not ALL..

you can just as easily pack your vaporizer with tobacco as you can with pot.

no idea why you would want to, but it can be done.

why are you arguing with people that fundamentally agree with you?


I'm not arguing with people at all, I'm correcting incorrect information. Who is saying it or what their position is on any given issue is irrelevant to me if the information is wrong.

Tobacco, to the best of my knowledge, does not provide any medical benefits at all much less the anti-cancer benefits that cannabis has been shown to provide. Furthermore tobacco contains carcinogens regardless of whether it is smoked or not. Chewing tobacco will give you oral cancer just as quickly as smoking will give you lung cancer. 

/tried tobacco out of my vaporizer once...it was really, really, REALLY bad
 
2012-11-06 07:25:32 PM

Strik3r: We are voting to leagaize pot today ??????????????????

/ didn't get the memo...........


In Washington, that means voting for Initiative 502, baby! We're not just decriminalizing possession, we're licensing the growing, manufacturing, distributing of it, too.

It won't be long before half the state wakes and bakes. Should be fun.
 
2012-11-06 07:26:09 PM
Cerebral Knievel

I was typing out my reply, so I didn't see yours...obviously.

I am in complete agreement that it has its benefits, and once my lung cancer sets in from smoking so much of it, I'll probably be eating brownies and using a vaporizer to handle the chemo.

That's just a bit ironic...
 
2012-11-06 07:34:10 PM

Civil_War2_Time: A joint (or blunt) is probably at least 75% of the way people partake, and you know that.


In my experience a pipe, bong, bullet, etc is far more commonly used than joints or blunts. Of course with lower quality that changes. Your main point that smoking is the most often used method of ingestion is correct, but those numbers are changing. Vaporizers in particularl are becoming more affordable, portable and reliable. Edibles I suspect with generally remain fringe. They take a bit longer to come on and can be too much for even seasoned smokers if you eat more than you realize.
 
2012-11-06 07:39:35 PM

Civil_War2_Time: radarlove: Civil_War2_Time: snocone

The plant is found to be non-toxic with no, none, not any long term effects.

Except for lung cancer, but that's no big deal.

Incorrect. Smoking anything produces carcinogens, to be sure, but cannabis has actually been shown to have anti-tumorial benefits, and there are a whole host of ways of indulging in it that do not require combustion and produce zero carcinogens.

You and I both know that most people that partake in intaking weed don't do it through brownies, and/or any other method. I was an 18 year smoker, and I only ate brownies three times during that span. I don't intake any nowadays, and I don't miss it at all.

Yes, it has great benefits when taken in through a vaporizer or through brownies, there is NO argument against that. It's just not nearly the norm in any way, shape or form. A joint (or blunt) is probably at least 75% of the way people partake, and you know that.


I think your estimation of around 75% of people smoking is probably correct. This is purely anecdotal, but at my old dispensary our sales were split around 60%/40% between herb and edibles. We got a lot of people into vaporizers as well, as we really were a "health first" kind of dispensary that tailored to people with severe conditions, but I'm certain that a fair amount of our customers were smoking.

NOW, that being said, the original statement that you replied to was this:

"The plant is found to be non-toxic with no, none, not any long term effects."

To which you replied:

"Except for lung cancer"

Which again, I say is incorrect. The plant is not carcinogenic. Smoking is carcinogenic and should be discouraged no matter what is being smoked, but cannabis in and of itself will not give you cancer, and people should be encouraged to use it in a manner that is consistent with improving their health and quality of life.

I realize that we're splitting hairs and getting into semantics at this point, and I apologize for that because you and indeed all of Fark deserve a more robust discussion about the health hazards and benefits of cannabis use.
 
2012-11-06 07:51:22 PM

SquiggsIN: where'd weenergord go?

I was really hoping he'd attempt to support his argument on a topic he knows next to nothing about.

I guess it was just an internet argument where supporting your position is less required the more stubborn you are.


I imagine he's left work and is now walking into a bar so he can tell the bartender that, although he's never had a drink in his life, he knows that getting drunk on natural fermented berries you find on the forest floor is better than any of the hundreds of bottles they have in their bar because that's for 'Alcohol snobs".
 
2012-11-06 07:52:44 PM

Civil_War2_Time: I am in complete agreement that it has its benefits, and once my lung cancer sets in from smoking so much of it, I'll probably be eating brownies and using a vaporizer to handle the chemo.


Show me one case of someone getting lung cancer strictly from smoking marijuana.
 
2012-11-06 07:53:33 PM

Spam Pajamas: SquiggsIN: where'd weenergord go?

I was really hoping he'd attempt to support his argument on a topic he knows next to nothing about.

I guess it was just an internet argument where supporting your position is less required the more stubborn you are.

I imagine he's left work and is now walking into a bar so he can tell the bartender that, although he's never had a drink in his life, he knows that getting drunk on natural fermented berries you find on the forest floor is better than any of the hundreds of bottles they have in their bar because that's for 'Alcohol snobs".


i LOLed HARD
 
2012-11-06 07:54:49 PM

Wasilla Hillbilly: Civil_War2_Time: A joint (or blunt) is probably at least 75% of the way people partake, and you know that.

In my experience a pipe, bong, bullet, etc is far more commonly used than joints or blunts. Of course with lower quality that changes. Your main point that smoking is the most often used method of ingestion is correct, but those numbers are changing. Vaporizers in particularl are becoming more affordable, portable and reliable. Edibles I suspect with generally remain fringe. They take a bit longer to come on and can be too much for even seasoned smokers if you eat more than you realize.


I'm not arguing trends or anything like that. The "No. None." comment is just not factual in any way.
 
2012-11-06 08:08:34 PM
one thing I want to say to anti pot folks. regardless of what party you voted to be president in the past 5 elections you willingly voted for a pot smoker as our potus. dumasses. LOLOLOL.........
 
2012-11-06 08:33:52 PM

radarlove: Civil_War2_Time: radarlove: Civil_War2_Time: snocone

The plant is found to be non-toxic with no, none, not any long term effects.

Except for lung cancer, but that's no big deal.

Incorrect. Smoking anything produces carcinogens, to be sure, but cannabis has actually been shown to have anti-tumorial benefits, and there are a whole host of ways of indulging in it that do not require combustion and produce zero carcinogens.

You and I both know that most people that partake in intaking weed don't do it through brownies, and/or any other method. I was an 18 year smoker, and I only ate brownies three times during that span. I don't intake any nowadays, and I don't miss it at all.

Yes, it has great benefits when taken in through a vaporizer or through brownies, there is NO argument against that. It's just not nearly the norm in any way, shape or form. A joint (or blunt) is probably at least 75% of the way people partake, and you know that.

I think your estimation of around 75% of people smoking is probably correct. This is purely anecdotal, but at my old dispensary our sales were split around 60%/40% between herb and edibles. We got a lot of people into vaporizers as well, as we really were a "health first" kind of dispensary that tailored to people with severe conditions, but I'm certain that a fair amount of our customers were smoking.

NOW, that being said, the original statement that you replied to was this:

"The plant is found to be non-toxic with no, none, not any long term effects."

To which you replied:

"Except for lung cancer"

Which again, I say is incorrect. The plant is not carcinogenic. Smoking is carcinogenic and should be discouraged no matter what is being smoked, but cannabis in and of itself will not give you cancer, and people should be encouraged to use it in a manner that is consistent with improving their health and quality of life.

I realize that we're splitting hairs and getting into semantics at this point, and I apologize for that be ...


Yes, we're splitting hairs, but I will never agree that it is not a Carcinogen if smoked in abundance...like I have done. And, good for you that you helped people with providing it in a legal and safe way.

And that leads me into a reply to TheJoe03.

Who in the history of the world has ever JUST smoked weed, and nothing else? There's ALWAYS something else they have smoked...if just once. Maybe it takes only one cigarette, or 500 joints, or one Salvia hit that causes Cancer. Who knows. Nobody has ever studied people that have just smoked weed in their lives, so that study will never come about. Ever.

I don't want it legalized, but wholly decrinalized for small amounts (~1/4 oz.) in ALL states.
 
2012-11-06 08:54:44 PM

WorthNoting: JohnBigBootay: Or Washington. Where it is polling ahead by a substantial margin.

Where are you following the elections?

Every place I've pulled up still has zeros for everything.


No official polls out yet. Nitr til polls close on west coast. I was referring to unofficial preliminary polls.
 
2012-11-06 10:10:38 PM
Wow... I could do this all night.
 
2012-11-06 10:47:20 PM

Civil_War2_Time: snocone

The plant is found to be non-toxic with no, none, not any long term effects.

Except for lung cancer, but that's no big deal.


Eat it. Vape it. Apply it to your skin...

/smoking ain't the only way
 
2012-11-06 10:48:00 PM

Civil_War2_Time: snocone

The plant is found to be non-toxic with no, none, not any long term effects.

Except for lung cancer, but that's no big deal.


Eat it. Vape it. Apply it to your skin...

/smoking aint the only way
 
2012-11-06 10:49:13 PM
I don't know why that posted twice.
 
2012-11-06 11:45:27 PM
almost 2 million votes in and initiative 502 is up 55 to 45% in wa state!

/4:20
 
2012-11-07 01:41:57 AM
As a Colorado citizen, who smoked a fattie before I voted YES on 64, I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2012-11-07 12:26:28 PM

AllUpInYa: My concern is that we'd be importing the fighting, terrorism and corruption that exists in Mexico. because of the drug trade.
Cartel grow ops, trying to dominate the market; using whatever means to remove competition from the market.

Is it a bit naive to think that if the borders are changed, that Cartels will give up their old ways?


One would think that things would also escalate in terms of violent and illegal activity. You put any animal in a corner and it is bound to bite. Your only options are to put the dog down or figure out a way to tame it. This won't tame the dog. People think that by miraculously legalizing it the cartels will cease to exist operations. No, they will adapt and be even harder to combat. The same thing holds true how wars used to be fought to how they are fought now. Before, it was clear cut who the aggressors or your enemy was, they wore color coded uniforms signifying "I am your enemy". Now, with guerilla style warfare taking precedence, it is hard to pinpoint just who your enemy is, how many of them there are, and what the rules for "winning" are. I don't think flushing the rats OUT of the sewer and letting them run around the city is going to turn them suddenly into cute little pet mice. They are still rats.
 
2012-11-07 01:27:57 PM

scottydoesntknow: SquiggsIN: (I have a cousin that burns about a half an ounce a day)

I find that hard to believe. 14 grams a day? Does he do anything besides chain smoke one after the other?


He doesn`t SMOKE it you fool, he just burns it. Some people do that. I have no idea why though. Most of the ones I know who do that have bipolar and put lots of tobacco with it so it burns away without being smoked.
 
2012-11-07 01:34:25 PM

Civil_War2_Time: snocone

The plant is found to be non-toxic with no, none, not any long term effects.

Except for lung cancer, but that's no big deal.


It`s so much not a big deal that you made that up to try to make it look bad...

Of course, you can supply a link or citation to back up the cancer from only smoking weed rather than the cancer from smoking tobacco. Please. I need a good laugh.

You ARE campaigning for the prohibition of tobacco and alcohol aren`t you? Don`t want to be a hypocrite!

/some of the biggest killers are cooking over open fires indoors and frying food. Both are very bad for your lungs
 
2012-11-07 05:27:14 PM

dready zim: scottydoesntknow: SquiggsIN: (I have a cousin that burns about a half an ounce a day)

I find that hard to believe. 14 grams a day? Does he do anything besides chain smoke one after the other?

He doesn`t SMOKE it you fool, he just burns it. Some people do that. I have no idea why though. Most of the ones I know who do that have bipolar and put lots of tobacco with it so it burns away without being smoked.


Maybe it keeps mosquitoes away.
 
2012-11-07 05:58:48 PM
Does anyone know what the pot law will actually do now? I mean, if you live in Washington st, how soon can you start buying it? I assume they have to set up distribution lines, figure out tax layers, etc... Is there a plan yet, or an ETA?
 
2012-11-07 06:39:49 PM

the money is in the banana stand: One would think that things would also escalate in terms of violent and illegal activity.


Like what happened when alcohol prohibition ended? You might get some sputters and gasps, but going by history - both in the USA and other countries, violence will decrease. They just can't afford it. I'm willing to consider the occasional mobster family going legit and entering politics to be a acceptible consequence.

To put it another way, I see it less of 'flushing rats out of a sewer' and more getting rid of their food. Like pests, get rid of their food/money and they'll eventually move on.
 
2012-11-08 09:29:49 AM

BMFPitt: Wow... I could do this all night.


That's cocaine you're thinking of.
 
2012-11-08 04:11:02 PM
radarlove: So looks like Longmont is reversing. Interesting eh? I just heard on the news, "It's not clear at this time if licenses will be reinstated."
 
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