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2012-11-06 02:50:35 PM  

radarlove: JohnBigBootay: santadog: Guess what? When it's legal, paranoia goes away!!!

Yeah, no. I'm not paranoid from the 5-0 necessarily. I just get all worried about everything on the strong sativas - also, can't sleep. So that's a no go. No problem - there's plenty of fine indicas luckily.

I'm with ya- big indica guy here. Are you old? I've noticed most of us middle-aged-to-old folks prefer indicas, whereas the whippersnappers all like sativas.


Yeah. I am old. Not 50 old, but close enough. At any rate I'm voting for legalization for an odd reason - so I can reliably find weaker strains I like. Up in the PAC NW we've got some strooooooong buds. Some of them too strong for me as I've been a two toke chump for a quarter century and I'm cool with that.

Also, there's lots and lots of folks out there who think they don't like weed because their singular experience wasn't positive - fact is if my first hit had been from a sativa plant I'd think I didn't like weed either. the weed world is a big one and it's 'high' time the average joe knew what he was buying instead of being forced to take the bag of the week with no idea what it is. Might get sativa (not too likely but still), might get indica, might get 3% THC, might get 20% thc.
 
2012-11-06 02:54:20 PM  

WeenerGord: radarlove: then it took years to grow that plant.

Cannabis is an annual, Donnie.


Shhhhh! Don't tell that to my 3 year old Big Bud mother, or she'll die!

I like ya, WeenerGord, but you've gotta admit, there are people in this thread who know a lot more about growing pot than you do.
 
2012-11-06 02:58:13 PM  

JohnBigBootay: radarlove: JohnBigBootay: santadog: Guess what? When it's legal, paranoia goes away!!!

Yeah, no. I'm not paranoid from the 5-0 necessarily. I just get all worried about everything on the strong sativas - also, can't sleep. So that's a no go. No problem - there's plenty of fine indicas luckily.

I'm with ya- big indica guy here. Are you old? I've noticed most of us middle-aged-to-old folks prefer indicas, whereas the whippersnappers all like sativas.

Yeah. I am old. Not 50 old, but close enough. At any rate I'm voting for legalization for an odd reason - so I can reliably find weaker strains I like. Up in the PAC NW we've got some strooooooong buds. Some of them too strong for me as I've been a two toke chump for a quarter century and I'm cool with that.

Also, there's lots and lots of folks out there who think they don't like weed because their singular experience wasn't positive - fact is if my first hit had been from a sativa plant I'd think I didn't like weed either. the weed world is a big one and it's 'high' time the average joe knew what he was buying instead of being forced to take the bag of the week with no idea what it is. Might get sativa (not too likely but still), might get indica, might get 3% THC, might get 20% thc.


Agreed. Back in Fort Collins I was working on a compendium of strains that I wanted to get published. Easy to do when you're getting three to five new strains to try every week for free. But here in NM, I don't even know what the hell I'm getting and they almost always screw you on the weight.
 
2012-11-06 02:58:45 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: santadog: Wasilla Hillbilly: What remains to be seen is how it would effective the prices. I suspect the high end stuff would remain about the same with huge influxes of lesser grade for very cheap. If a big enough difference, you might see alot more bubble hash and such around.

Lived in Austin, Texas.. and now in Colorado. When I moved here in 2006, an ounce was the same price as in Austin for good quality bud (around $400). Now, I can get an ounce for $175.00 and it's better than the Texas variety. Prices didn't drop in Austin. We see a ton of hash here.

Interesting. Don't know why but I find it surprising that it would go that low. I guess when people are willing to spend upwards of $20-30 a gram for the best available even in semi-decrim areas, I would expect sellers to find a way to exploit that even if fully legalized. There's always someone willing to pay top dollar for whatever is considered the best or trendy. Similar to champagne.


And including champagne
 
2012-11-06 03:00:37 PM  

WeenerGord: santadog: Your ignorance to the industry shows.
That is all.

Whatever, dude. I don't smoke that shiat at all, but I think it should be completely legal world wide. We are on the same side here, and just cos I think natural conditions are best for plants, you gotta pick a fight with me? Sounds like somebody is worried about losing their weed snob job.


I'm not a dude.
Pick a fight? How about educate?
Growing medical marijuana is not a "snob weed job". It's a service that provides patients with M.S, Cancer, chronic pain (like mine from spinal fusion of L4 and L5) and other ailments, relief with an organic alternative to pills.
Worried? I dont' work there anymore, so there's that.
Just stop trying to make like you know what you are talking about, when in reality, you don't.

What do you do for a living? Can I please tell you how it's really done even tho I have no experience?
 
2012-11-06 03:00:59 PM  

Strategeryz0r: Am I the only one who finds it funny that Mexico is basically saying that 3 states in the US account for THIRTY PERCENT of the pot the cartels send up?

Way to represent Oregon/Washington/Colorado! USA! USA! USA!


I call bullsh*t on this. All the smokers that I know in the NW either grow their own, get it from a dispensary or sometimes it happens down from Canada. The only place I've seen people smoke that sh*tty Mexican schwag was in the South years ago.
 
2012-11-06 03:02:52 PM  

radarlove: I like ya, WeenerGord, but you've gotta admit, there are people in this thread who know a lot more about growing pot than you do.


I don't need a PHD from Weed University to say that I think natural conditions are best for plants, and that it would be amusing if it grew everywhere like dandelions, which was all it took for the weed snobs to descend on me. You do what you have to do to keep it hidden, and keep profits up, and to brag on yourself and promote your mad skilz to keep profits up, I get it.

Will your profits drop if it does become legal and can be grown outside everywhere?
 
2012-11-06 03:02:52 PM  

The Decider: By the way, if it does pass, I give it two years before Big Tobacco completely shuts down the small mom and pop sellers and has a monopoly on sales. I have a feeling they've been preparing for this for some time.


Unlikely as long as it remains illegal on a federal level. A multi-state billion dollar company is a big enough target for them. A mom&pop operation grossing under $1M a year normally isn't.

SirEattonHogg: If he ever had a pot brownie, he'd know the diff. It ain't that tasty. Luckily, I work for an industry that allows me to blaze or snort up. I don't partake, but nice to know I am not beholden to such restrictions.


Despite my support for legalizing it, I don't use. I've never used. How the heck would I know the difference, especially if I can chalk it up to 'wierd foreigner tastes' in a different country and simply figure the brownie was nasty? Or, in this case, that a weed infused brownie shouldn't taste like a normal one?

I support legalization because I think drug abuse should be treated as a medical issue, and legalization would help both that and defunding the organized gangs.

CheatCommando: Phillip Morris and RJR probably have contingency plans in place in the event of legalization, and then the cartels will find how hard it is to compete with people who have the financial muscle to start wars.


I'd say 'end wars'. Cartels can start them, but can't finish them. That being said, the cartels would have the trouble that to nix Morris's weed fields would put them up against not only Phillip Morris's private security, but even the police and US Military if they get too out of hand.

Not to mention the sheer scale at which commercial growers can operate on. You could ruin half their fields and they'd still be producing more weed at less than half the cost.
 
2012-11-06 03:03:22 PM  

you have pee hands: Grammatik Polizei: Mexican cartels get more cash from heroin and meth. I don't think legalized pot will cut into their take much...

/drtfa

They get 40-50% of their total from pot from what I've read. They'll still be big orgs, but it would take a big bite out. And if some states legalize pot, and *gasp* nothing changes, maybe people will be more open to taking a look at our drug laws in a more general way.




You still can't buy alcohol in Indiana on Sundays.
 
2012-11-06 03:04:40 PM  

santadog: Can I please tell you how it's really done even tho I have no experience?


You just go right ahead and try. It's a free country. Supposedly.
 
2012-11-06 03:16:07 PM  

WeenerGord: I don't need a PHD from Weed University to say that I think natural conditions are best for plants


You're absolutely correct, you don't need any experience whatsoever to say that. But you do need some degree of experience to be right about it, and if you're not right in your assertions, then you damn well better expect people with more experience to correct you on it.

I'm sorry if you feel attacked by me, that was not my intention. Correcting erroneous information was.
 
2012-11-06 03:17:46 PM  
Is a Mexican Think Tank anything like a keg of Carona?
 
2012-11-06 03:18:55 PM  
It will be interesting when monesato gets into the GM pot game. They will probably come up with some low to mid grade stuff optimised for low labour production and start sueing the crap out of any nearby outdoor growers for having thier patented genes in thier crop. It should drive everything indoors. Then they can lobby for insane regulations on greenhouses to shut out most competitors.
 
2012-11-06 03:24:18 PM  

WeenerGord: radarlove: I like ya, WeenerGord, but you've gotta admit, there are people in this thread who know a lot more about growing pot than you do.

I don't need a PHD from Weed University to say that I think natural conditions are best for plants, and that it would be amusing if it grew everywhere like dandelions, which was all it took for the weed snobs to descend on me. You do what you have to do to keep it hidden, and keep profits up, and to brag on yourself and promote your mad skilz to keep profits up, I get it.

Will your profits drop if it does become legal and can be grown outside everywhere?


The price will drop on the quality that gets created from growing outdoor, which is subpar, harsh and dirty due to the growing conditions and simply cannot compete with something grown indoor with perfect conditions. Perfect conditions vs random conditions. Stop talking about this because you dont know anything. Its ok that you are on the same side, but it doesnt remove your stupidity on the subject.
 
2012-11-06 03:28:29 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: You still can't buy alcohol in Indiana on Sundays.


Wow, you're worse than Pennsylvania. We couldn't buy alcohol on Sundays until a couple years ago, but eventually those sweet, sweet tax dollars won out.
 
PJ-
2012-11-06 03:38:23 PM  

WeenerGord: radarlove: I like ya, WeenerGord, but you've gotta admit, there are people in this thread who know a lot more about growing pot than you do.

I don't need a PHD from Weed University to say that I think natural conditions are best for plants, and that it would be amusing if it grew everywhere like dandelions, which was all it took for the weed snobs to descend on me. You do what you have to do to keep it hidden, and keep profits up, and to brag on yourself and promote your mad skilz to keep profits up, I get it.

Will your profits drop if it does become legal and can be grown outside everywhere?


That is where you are wrong when it comes to high potency marijuana. Natural conditions for plants isn't always the best, as there is a lot more work to growing the good stuff. Monitoring PH levels, ensuring that the plant is getting proper nutrients for the certain stages of the growth, making sure that males and females are separated are just a few things to worry about. Using a tomato as an example, which location will produce a better tomato? An indoor farm, with proper watering equipment on a timer to ensure optimal water conditions in the plant with a regulated temperature using high quality soil, or from a farm that uses pesticides, watering is determined on looming temperature conditions and using recycled soil and manure to supplement nutrients?

Sure, you could throw a few seeds in the ground and hope for the best, but odds are you will be left with a plant that is producing no buds, effectively leaving you with a weed in your garden. But if you are lucky enough to plant one successful female, leaving it alone for the most part (watering and such aside) you will be able to have a smokable product, but pales in comparison to a plant grown indoors using a hydroponic setup.

For anybody trying to use the whole 'weed snob' approach, clearly you don't partake, or don't have the options of getting different strains. M39, White Rhino, Freezeline/freezeland, Blueberry all give you different kinds of highs, while also each having their own unique taste. Sure, you can say 'well you are just looking to get high', to which I say 'what kind of high?' Body buzz? Coma? Just a little tweak? There is a lot about weed that you can take into account, don't be mad that you aren't educated enough on the subject to take part, and feel the need to insult people over it.
 
2012-11-06 03:39:18 PM  

radarlove: you damn well better expect people with more experience to correct you


All that I expect, is that no matter what you say on Fark, some assclown may pop up and troll you, and sure enough, it continues to happen.

You sure are full of yourself. Where TF do you get all your imagined "experience"? Do you have a horticultural degree?
 
2012-11-06 03:42:32 PM  
local grown medicinal is far superior, and nobody died smuggling it across the desert.
 
2012-11-06 03:43:57 PM  

Grammatik Polizei: Mexican cartels get more cash from heroin and meth. I don't think legalized pot will cut into their take much...

/drtfa


That's one chance I'm willing to take.
 
2012-11-06 03:45:31 PM  

WeenerGord: radarlove: you damn well better expect people with more experience to correct you

All that I expect, is that no matter what you say on Fark, some assclown may pop up and troll you, and sure enough, it continues to happen.

You sure are full of yourself. Where TF do you get all your imagined "experience"? Do you have a horticultural degree?


Because it was his job. Just like it was my job.

What is it that you do for a living again?
 
2012-11-06 03:47:08 PM  
In case anyone asks, I voted. I haven't missed a.....goddamit I Always vote and I'm 42. I put my thumb up.......
 
PJ-
2012-11-06 03:48:40 PM  

WeenerGord: radarlove: you damn well better expect people with more experience to correct you

All that I expect, is that no matter what you say on Fark, some assclown may pop up and troll you, and sure enough, it continues to happen.

You sure are full of yourself. Where TF do you get all your imagined "experience"? Do you have a horticultural degree?


You do realize that there are people who chose to educate themselves on subjects that interest them. When it comes to weed, it's very easy to get educated by experts on the subject if you have a proper dealer. You can also get educated by visiting this magical place called the internet, where millions of people go regularly and offer their experiences on a wide variety of subjects.

To be quite honest though, how a plant will turn out is a pretty simple concept. The better the conditions, the better the product. Better soil, lighting, water, nutrients will always beat out natural growing conditions. Natural growing conditions aren't the same where you go around the world, some soil has less nutrients, so you have to supplement while others have things in the soil you don't want, and have to deal with that. With monitored soil, water and everything else, you know your plant is getting the specific requirements for it to thrive.

Don't be mad that there are people here that clearly are educated on this particular subject. If someone started saying a lot of ignorant statements in whatever your field of expertise is, wouldn't you feel compelled to correct them to ensure that they are speaking facts rather than fiction?
 
2012-11-06 03:50:42 PM  

PJ-: Sure, you could throw a few seeds in the ground and hope for the best, but odds are


Where are you getting your odds? You are making them up, aren't you? You haven't done a study of natural vs hidden greenhouse, you are just claiming that what you have to do is the best, then claiming that you are "educated" and superior. I think you are full of shiat.
 
2012-11-06 03:51:32 PM  

JohnBigBootay: SearchN: If you live in Colorado, yes.

/Just finished voting for legalization.


Or Washington. Where it is polling ahead by a substantial margin.


Yea just heard on the radio Washington and another (3rd) state are voting on it today as well, I just can't remember which. I am being optimistic about both Washington and Colorado. We try to pass something every cycle up here and we keep getting closer and closer. Really hoping it passes this time around, but it being an amendment to the state constitution has turned a lot of people off to it that otherwise are OK with legalization.
 
2012-11-06 03:51:43 PM  
I started smoking in '77 and it wasn't long after that I started growing. Anybody can grow decent weed. Growing EXCELLENT weed requires two things. First and foremost, you need quality genetics. Sure, you can take bag seed from some decent street weed and end up with something better than what you started with, but the real high grade stuff comes from quality genetics. Secondly, you need to be able to provide the proper environment and nutrients in a consistent manner.

Anybody can grow great weed with the proper knowlege, quality genetics and correct environment. It ain't rocket surgery. It does have a learning curve, but like anything, once you've conquered that, it really is easy, though the bigger the grow, the more work and time it requires.

I've smoked the best (and worst!) money can buy. I've grown some of the best (and worst!) a person could hope for, both indoors and out.

That being said, the 2nd best stuff I've ever smoked was grown by me, and was a simple cross I made. I was accused of lacing it with something by several people it was so potent. Good genetics, loving care and a bit of luck.

The absolute best though, was some outdoor grown by an Alabama redneck. Yowza. 

It ain't hard to do, but not everyone has the patience and willingness to learn. I find it easy, but I enjoy doing it and I seem to have a natural knack for it. Then again, I know people that can kill cactus, so it just goes to show growing ain't for everybody.
 
2012-11-06 03:52:02 PM  

PJ-: Blueberry


Oh hell yeah. I'd buy that shiat and put it in a little wicker basket by the front door over the holidays just because it smells so damn wonderful.
 
2012-11-06 03:55:16 PM  

SearchN: Yea just heard on the radio Washington and another (3rd) state are voting on it today as well, I just can't remember which. I am being optimistic about both Washington and Colorado. We try to pass something every cycle up here and we keep getting closer and closer. Really hoping it passes this time around, but it being an amendment to the state constitution has turned a lot of people off to it that otherwise are OK with legalization.


There's problems with all the bills up right now. I say vote for them anyway. If for no other reason than to start the national conversation in earnest and end this bizarre schedule 1 controlled substance bullshiat. Like I said - weed is easy to find and I've never had a legal problem over the decades. But it's time to end the ruining of lives by saddling young people with criminal records that haunt them in job searches for the rest of their lives. Legalize it and we can sort out the DUI stuff, etc. on down the road.
 
2012-11-06 03:55:48 PM  

WeenerGord: radarlove: you damn well better expect people with more experience to correct you

All that I expect, is that no matter what you say on Fark, some assclown may pop up and troll you, and sure enough, it continues to happen.

You sure are full of yourself. Where TF do you get all your imagined "experience"? Do you have a horticultural degree?


Holy shiat man, you've flown off the deep end. If you actually read the thread, you'd know that radarlove worked at a dispensary.

It's not trolling to correct someone when they're spouting wrong information. It is trolling to ignore that correct information and contnue to talk out of your ass.
 
PJ-
2012-11-06 04:02:20 PM  

WeenerGord: PJ-: Sure, you could throw a few seeds in the ground and hope for the best, but odds are

Where are you getting your odds? You are making them up, aren't you? You haven't done a study of natural vs hidden greenhouse, you are just claiming that what you have to do is the best, then claiming that you are "educated" and superior. I think you are full of shiat.


I'm getting my odds from my personal experience in growing plants in my youth. I've done my own studies on natural vs. greenhouse whether you chose to acknowledge that or not. I don't think i'm superior in the slightest, this subject just happened to take a big part of my youth.

If you really want to realize the difference between natural vs. hidden greenhouse, go find some people who smoke on a regular basis and ask them one question. 'Indo or Outo?' While not everybody will chose indo, because it's not the buzz they like (headaches, too incoherent to function, etc.), but a majority of the time indoor is a better product. It's easier to monitor the PH levels (like I mentioned earlier), easier to have a regular watering schedule (outdoors can be drowned or dehydrated very easily), and lessens the chance to have vermin destroying the plants.

Also, if someone is willing to spend money on a good indoor hydroponic grow op, they will be willing to spend money on a proper cropper. This ensures less leaf, less stems and less seeds, which gives you more smokable product for your dollar.
 
2012-11-06 04:02:36 PM  

SquiggsIN: We're telling you that you are uninformed, ignorant, and flat out wrong.


This from a clown who smokes an ounce of marijuana a day. Yeah, I'm gonna be all impressed by anything you have to say. (not)

scottydoesntknow: It is trolling to ignore that correct information and contnue to talk out of your ass.


You'd know 

You idiots are beginning to change my mind tho. Maybe marijuana should NOT be legalized. It makes people stupid.
 
2012-11-06 04:04:49 PM  

WeenerGord: SquiggsIN: We're telling you that you are uninformed, ignorant, and flat out wrong.

This from a clown who smokes an ounce of marijuana a day. Yeah, I'm gonna be all impressed by anything you have to say. (not)

scottydoesntknow: It is trolling to ignore that correct information and contnue to talk out of your ass.

You'd know 

You idiots are beginning to change my mind tho. Maybe marijuana should NOT be legalized. It makes people stupid.


He actually said his friend does.. but hey.. who's keeping score?
 
PJ-
2012-11-06 04:04:55 PM  
I'll leave one more thought here for this thread.

No stems no seeds that you don't need! That Acapulco gold is *puff puff* bad ass weed.
 
2012-11-06 04:05:17 PM  

WeenerGord: radarlove: you damn well better expect people with more experience to correct you

All that I expect, is that no matter what you say on Fark, some assclown may pop up and troll you, and sure enough, it continues to happen.

You sure are full of yourself. Where TF do you get all your imagined "experience"? Do you have a horticultural degree?


That's because due to its gigantic userbase, no matter what you say on Fark someone is bound to know more about the subject than you. I don't go into lifeguard threads and say, "Backstroke is clearly better than breaststroke!" because I know shiat all about swimming and I know I'll get my ass handed to me. In fact, there are really only two things that I really know well because there are only two industries that I've spent a considerable amount of time in: the Medical Marijuana industry and the Adult Entertainment industry. I've spent many years in each and so I feel comfortable jumping into discussions about them and contributing. But the fact of the matter is that there is still probably someone on Fark who knows a lot more about growing pot or making smut than I do, and I generally cede to their experience. On any other topic, I pretty much know dick-all and freely admit to it. Except maybe eschatology, but that's just a hobby.

With regards to cannabis, I could spend every single day for the rest of my life learning something new about this plant and still never learn everything about it. It is a beautifully complex plant and I find it to be very humbling to my supposed intelligence and experience.
 
2012-11-06 04:05:55 PM  

baronvonzipper: Mexican pot grows in the Northwest is the main reason I hike in the woods openly armed. They are everywhere out here.

/know your producer


hmm

i've considered carrying my heater when i go biking on trails around here, but just can't figure a way to do it that makes it at all accessible (backpack?? good luck getting to it in time --- some kind of holster on the bike frame ?? maybe i guess)

though my reasoning is more for bears / other critters &/or the occasional Nam vet or just crazy people in the woods

haven't come across a grow op - unless i cruised right past it
 
2012-11-06 04:10:47 PM  

santadog: vudukungfu: santadog: I consume an ounce a month,

That's. . . a lot.
Soon you will have MASD telling you you're chronic.
Just like if you drink more than one beer in a lifetime.

It's not really. I'm a light weight in many circles.

/Spinal fusion L4/L5, chronic nerve pain.


an O a month?
only when the $ allows for it

/really not that much - granted, it's relative
//no spinal fusion or other terrible-ness - just don't like booze
///booze really don't like me - whiskey is the devil
 
2012-11-06 04:12:34 PM  

inner ted: baronvonzipper: Mexican pot grows in the Northwest is the main reason I hike in the woods openly armed. They are everywhere out here.

/know your producer

hmm

i've considered carrying my heater when i go biking on trails around here, but just can't figure a way to do it that makes it at all accessible (backpack?? good luck getting to it in time --- some kind of holster on the bike frame ?? maybe i guess)

though my reasoning is more for bears / other critters &/or the occasional Nam vet or just crazy people in the woods

haven't come across a grow op - unless i cruised right past it


About 10 years ago, when I lived in San Diego, they found a HUGE grow op on Mount Palomar--home of the well-known observatory and a state park. It was over 100,000 plants, IIRC.

There were others in remote areas of state parks and even national parks. There probably still are. Guys would hike for miles with bags of fertilizer and other supplies, divert streams for irrigation, and leave mounds of trash and chemicals lying around after the harvest.
 
2012-11-06 04:12:44 PM  

radarlove:
That's because due to its gigantic userbase, no matter what you say on Fark someone is bound to...Perfectly crommulant redacted... I find it to be very humbling to my supposed intelligence and experience.




How could you have experience in the Adult entertainment industry and not know if back stroke is better than breast stroke?
 
2012-11-06 04:13:49 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: santadog: Wasilla Hillbilly: What remains to be seen is how it would effective the prices. I suspect the high end stuff would remain about the same with huge influxes of lesser grade for very cheap. If a big enough difference, you might see alot more bubble hash and such around.

Lived in Austin, Texas.. and now in Colorado. When I moved here in 2006, an ounce was the same price as in Austin for good quality bud (around $400). Now, I can get an ounce for $175.00 and it's better than the Texas variety. Prices didn't drop in Austin. We see a ton of hash here.

Interesting. Don't know why but I find it surprising that it would go that low. I guess when people are willing to spend upwards of $20-30 a gram for the best available even in semi-decrim areas, I would expect sellers to find a way to exploit that even if fully legalized. There's always someone willing to pay top dollar for whatever is considered the best or trendy. Similar to champagne.


prices fell here too
not sure if it was just the recession (hard to believe)
or if it was the glut of 'legal' herb

but something drove down costs

/from what i've heard
//not biatching
//portland, oregon
 
2012-11-06 04:15:57 PM  

radarlove: WeenerGord: radarlove: you damn well better expect people with more experience to correct you

All that I expect, is that no matter what you say on Fark, some assclown may pop up and troll you, and sure enough, it continues to happen.

You sure are full of yourself. Where TF do you get all your imagined "experience"? Do you have a horticultural degree?

That's because due to its gigantic userbase, no matter what you say on Fark someone is bound to know more about the subject than you. I don't go into lifeguard threads and say, "Backstroke is clearly better than breaststroke!" because I know shiat all about swimming and I know I'll get my ass handed to me. In fact, there are really only two things that I really know well because there are only two industries that I've spent a considerable amount of time in: the Medical Marijuana industry and the Adult Entertainment industry. I've spent many years in each and so I feel comfortable jumping into discussions about them and contributing. But the fact of the matter is that there is still probably someone on Fark who knows a lot more about growing pot or making smut than I do, and I generally cede to their experience. On any other topic, I pretty much know dick-all and freely admit to it. Except maybe eschatology, but that's just a hobby.

With regards to cannabis, I could spend every single day for the rest of my life learning something new about this plant and still never learn everything about it. It is a beautifully complex plant and I find it to be very humbling to my supposed intelligence and experience.


it's just a gay plant
 
2012-11-06 04:18:15 PM  

vudukungfu: radarlove:
That's because due to its gigantic userbase, no matter what you say on Fark someone is bound to...Perfectly crommulant redacted... I find it to be very humbling to my supposed intelligence and experience.



How could you have experience in the Adult entertainment industry and not know if back stroke is better than breast stroke?


Because I worked in...

25.media.tumblr.com

...both ends of the industry.

/YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!
 
2012-11-06 04:21:58 PM  

inner ted: santadog: vudukungfu: santadog: I consume an ounce a month,

That's. . . a lot.
Soon you will have MASD telling you you're chronic.
Just like if you drink more than one beer in a lifetime.

It's not really. I'm a light weight in many circles.

/Spinal fusion L4/L5, chronic nerve pain.

an O a month?
only when the $ allows for it

/really not that much - granted, it's relative
//no spinal fusion or other terrible-ness - just don't like booze
///booze really don't like me - whiskey is the devil


It's $175 per month. :D
 
2012-11-06 04:21:59 PM  
OK, admit it.
All you farkeres are stoned right now.
 
2012-11-06 04:23:23 PM  

scottydoesntknow: They said, however, that they did not believe that production will rob the cartels of significant profits, saying instead that they thought Mexican drug lords would instead try to participate in legal production inside the U.S.

Except in my experience mexican weed sucks so much. It stinks like ass, has waaaay too many sticks/seeds, and is dryer than an 80-year-old nun. The only reason people purchased mexican brick weed is because it's the only thing available. If (or when) legalized, the cartels would have to seriously ramp up their production/cultivation methods (which increases costs) or watch as every person passes their "Helado y Molta" push cart and goes into a legal herb shop.


So much THIS. I had a roommate with a medical marijuana card and, as he described the dispensaries to me, they sound wonderful. Multiple high-quality strains to choose from, and the prices were comparable to what you'd pay on the street (for good quality; Mexican ditch weed is much cheaper of course). Plus, the added bonus of having a clean, controlled actual store to buy from. I'd gladly pay more for a high quality, safely available product.

Full legalization isn't gonna happen in my state anytime soon but if even one of these three bills passes I think it'll create a ripple effect, or at least open the dialog in favor of legalization. I think we'll see legalization in my lifetime, maybe not til I'm old and gray but by then I'll probably need the stuff for medical reasons.
 
2012-11-06 04:27:11 PM  
FTFA: "It then assumes that purchasers around the U.S. will choose domestic marijuana when it is sold cheaper than the current price of Mexican marijuana."

That isn't an assumption. That is a Fact.
 
2012-11-06 04:27:41 PM  

vudukungfu: OK, admit it.
All you farkeres are stoned right now.


I'm not. Yet. I'm currently doing research on my next batch of home brew. Can't skew the results by adding additional variables y'know
 
2012-11-06 04:28:04 PM  

radarlove: In fact, there are really only two things that I really know well because there are only two industries that I've spent a considerable amount of time in: the Medical Marijuana industry and the Adult Entertainment industry.


I'm guessing that your memoirs will make an interesting read.
 
2012-11-06 04:29:37 PM  

Firethorn: Grammatik Polizei: Mexican cartels get more cash from heroin and meth. I don't think legalized pot will cut into their take much...

/drtfa

I think that most of their profits are from weed - it's just that heroin and meth are higher margin.

Another benefit is that under legalization, you'd have fewer growers out in parks and reserves ready to shoot innocent campers and hikers.


And dumping fertilizer into environmentally sensitive land and waterways. It would be much better to regulate marijuana as any other crop, and I'm sure there would be a demand for certified organic, non-GMO mj.
 
2012-11-06 04:32:38 PM  
Tobacco is legal for anyone to grow. in fact, it's actually a very plant when mature and flowering, and many people do grow it as an ornamental plant.

of course, to process it into something smokeable takes the better part of two years. After the growing season, the leaves have to be cut and gathered in a certain way, hung orderly in favorable environment for curing so that they don't rot or mold. and if handled properly and cut appropriately, the flavor will continue and develop with age. and yes, genetics, play a big role as well. when you see tobacco labeled as Virgina leaf, they are referring to the plant, NOT that it was necessarily grown in Virginia. truth be known, most tobacco grown in this country is usually Virginia leaf coming from the Carolinas I have danish grown and cut Virginia leaf that's just a wonderful example of the tobacconists art.

I have some 30 year old pipe tobacco that is phenomenal in a good seasoned pipe, or in a clay pipe so the tobacco shows and not the pipe. robust, almost leathery.. kinda like you are smoking and old book... it tastes better than that sounds, I assure you.

Point is.. any one can grow and cure their own tobacco, not to many do because its a fairly drawn out and labor intensive process to end up with a quality product. They go to the tobbaconist because it's convient to do so and most people trust the grower or crafts man to do the heavy lifting for them.

MOST PEOPLE

Legalization of Marijuana will follow the same path. there will be producers, and there will be consumers. and there will be FAR more consumers than producers. I seriously doubt if you will just b able to by a flat of seedlings from Lowes, I just don't think that there will be that much actual consumer interest in doing so.
not to mention, as far as I know, anyone can grow Hemp and or marijuana if you want to, you just need to purchase the agricultural tax stamp in order to do so, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

and that's not even speaking to the notion that just because the stuff is legalized on a state level, doesn't change the fact that its still tied up in the Volstead act on a federal level.

I don't smoke very often any more. only at home, and if I don't have to work the next day, if I'm hurting. I always keep a little around just for that, and mix it with tobacco when I do.

I want to see it legelized all the way around for everybody though, most notably because I'm against prohibition in it's entirety. but then, I make beer for a living. it's in my best interests to believe so. .
 
2012-11-06 04:34:26 PM  

flizzard: scottydoesntknow: signaljammer: The tobacco and beer analogies are weak, because their production requires lots more equipment and time than weed. Funny, people here who shout that growing weed is a mini-Manhattan-project never seem to describe the intricacies they allude to.

//wee bit harder than tomatoes
//emphasis on wee

Please stop pretending that growing actual GOOD cannabis is easy. Sure you can just throw some seeds in your backyard and get weed, but to actually have a strain that will kick your ass in one hit takes work.

Hell most people don't grow their own tomatoes, what makes you think they'll suddenly decide to grow cannabis?

Oh I'll "suddenly decide to," because I don't want to eat a handful of tomatoes on a sunny Sunday morning and go for a long walk in the park? I've tried it with tomatoes. It's not the same.


I dunno. Depends on how you do it...

i478.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-06 04:36:50 PM  

vudukungfu: OK, admit it.
All you farkeres are stoned right now.


Good gods I wish.
 
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