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2012-11-06 01:38:14 PM

moefuggenbrew: Can I vote in Colorado if I'm weed?


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2012-11-06 01:39:08 PM

special20: DoBeDoBeDo: HAH Mexico is about as stupid as the potheads I know. Who benefits from legalized marijuana? RJR and Phillip Morris, they already have declining tabacco sales, access to farmers who have the tools to grow/cultivate/separate and dry, AND have the equipment to mass produce cigarettes.

Economy of scale, those two will be able to undercut every other legal means of obtaining weed.

I await the day.
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Fark that. I want my smokes to have only ONE ingredient: WEED As soon as "Big Tobacco" becomes "Big Weed" it will have over 500 ingredients.
 
2012-11-06 01:41:54 PM

Beaver1224: Obvious tag get the munchies?


Obvious tag had a wake-n-bake morning, can't figure out how pants work.
 
2012-11-06 01:42:15 PM

scottydoesntknow: signaljammer: The tobacco and beer analogies are weak, because their production requires lots more equipment and time than weed. Funny, people here who shout that growing weed is a mini-Manhattan-project never seem to describe the intricacies they allude to.

//wee bit harder than tomatoes
//emphasis on wee

Please stop pretending that growing actual GOOD cannabis is easy. Sure you can just throw some seeds in your backyard and get weed, but to actually have a strain that will kick your ass in one hit takes work.

Hell most people don't grow their own tomatoes, what makes you think they'll suddenly decide to grow cannabis?


Oh I'll "suddenly decide to," because I don't want to eat a handful of tomatoes on a sunny Sunday morning and go for a long walk in the park? I've tried it with tomatoes. It's not the same.
 
2012-11-06 01:44:29 PM

fanbladesaresharp: Y'all want to know just how much weed is grown in California? And the environmental damage after the logging years done? And the cartels that apparently people don't want to admit are already here or get shot?

here ya go:

http://lostcoastoutpost.com/2012/nov/5/aerial-tour-grow-city/

/i live there
//no, not that spot. not that one. might be close to the other one.
///NorCA has a "suburbia" of weed grow ops.


Now compare that with what legally grown crops look like.
If pot's legal a couple of those circles will be out producing that entire area, and a circle is a very small farm (that earns a few hundred thousand/year, at best). The price before any taxes will plummit. Whisky's pretty cheap before the taxes are on it too.
 
2012-11-06 01:45:33 PM
It's been many, many years since I've smoked weed. It was never really my thing because it always made me feel a bit paranoid. Back when I was in high school, (I'm old!) I could walk into the girls' bathroom and buy a joint for two bucks. One of my friends (who smoked a lot) was always hitting her mom up for ten bucks to "go to the movies" which she would then spend on a bag of pot. IIRC, there was a good bit of weed in the bag and it was almost always stinky homegrown that she had bought from someone who lived way out in BFE.

How much does it cost now? Do people still buy it by the joint?

If it were to be made legal, do you reckon that it could be grown so that it would be available in different 'strengths'? So that maybe someone like me could buy something to relax without feeling fried? Because if I could get something in mild, I would happily buy it.
 
2012-11-06 01:46:07 PM

santadog: special20: DoBeDoBeDo: HAH Mexico is about as stupid as the potheads I know. Who benefits from legalized marijuana? RJR and Phillip Morris, they already have declining tabacco sales, access to farmers who have the tools to grow/cultivate/separate and dry, AND have the equipment to mass produce cigarettes.

Economy of scale, those two will be able to undercut every other legal means of obtaining weed.

I await the day.
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Fark that. I want my smokes to have only ONE ingredient: WEED As soon as "Big Tobacco" becomes "Big Weed" it will have over 500 ingredients.


yeah but at least it will be cheaper than the good stuff
 
2012-11-06 01:49:37 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: santadog: special20: DoBeDoBeDo: HAH Mexico is about as stupid as the potheads I know. Who benefits from legalized marijuana? RJR and Phillip Morris, they already have declining tabacco sales, access to farmers who have the tools to grow/cultivate/separate and dry, AND have the equipment to mass produce cigarettes.

Economy of scale, those two will be able to undercut every other legal means of obtaining weed.

I await the day.
[i.imgur.com image 625x370]

Fark that. I want my smokes to have only ONE ingredient: WEED As soon as "Big Tobacco" becomes "Big Weed" it will have over 500 ingredients.

yeah but at least it will be cheaper than the good stuff


I only smoke the good stuff. Someone gave me an ounce of not good stuff about 2 months ago. It's untouched sitting with the spices in the kitchen. I'll bake with it eventually. As I posted earlier, I pay $175 per OUNCE. It could very well get cheaper if the amendment here in Colorado passes.
 
2012-11-06 01:49:42 PM

TeaCozy: It's been many, many years since I've smoked weed. It was never really my thing because it always made me feel a bit paranoid. Back when I was in high school, (I'm old!) I could walk into the girls' bathroom and buy a joint for two bucks. One of my friends (who smoked a lot) was always hitting her mom up for ten bucks to "go to the movies" which she would then spend on a bag of pot. IIRC, there was a good bit of weed in the bag and it was almost always stinky homegrown that she had bought from someone who lived way out in BFE.

How much does it cost now? Do people still buy it by the joint?

If it were to be made legal, do you reckon that it could be grown so that it would be available in different 'strengths'? So that maybe someone like me could buy something to relax without feeling fried? Because if I could get something in mild, I would happily buy it.


If not, you and me can go in together on a variety pack.

I'll take the frieds and you can have the milds.
 
2012-11-06 01:52:36 PM

santadog: Soon, you will hear the term "Big Marijuana".


Phillip Morris and RJR probably have contingency plans in place in the event of legalization, and then the cartels will find how hard it is to compete with people who have the financial muscle to start wars.
 
2012-11-06 01:56:39 PM

Tango_down: fark all of you.. I live in Ohio and can't find anything.. I have to smoke campaign ads to get high.



Bet that leaves a bad taste in your mouth
 
2012-11-06 01:57:40 PM

vudukungfu: santadog: Again, anyone can grow weed. It's an art to grow the ...

Looking forward to seeing the farmer's markets of the future.


It won't just be old people crashing into them!
 
2012-11-06 01:58:26 PM
Once it's legalized, all it takes is one state producing and exporting it in order to bring the prices down nationwide.

Can't wait.
 
2012-11-06 01:58:37 PM

SearchN: If you live in Colorado, yes.

/Just finished voting for legalization.



Or Washington. Where it is polling ahead by a substantial margin.
 
2012-11-06 01:58:51 PM

MurphyMurphy:
If not, you and me can go in together on a variety pack.

I'll take the frieds and you can have the milds.


Deal. :-)
 
2012-11-06 01:59:07 PM

santadog: Jon iz teh kewl: santadog: special20: DoBeDoBeDo: HAH Mexico is about as stupid as the potheads I know. Who benefits from legalized marijuana? RJR and Phillip Morris, they already have declining tabacco sales, access to farmers who have the tools to grow/cultivate/separate and dry, AND have the equipment to mass produce cigarettes.

Economy of scale, those two will be able to undercut every other legal means of obtaining weed.

I await the day.
[i.imgur.com image 625x370]

Fark that. I want my smokes to have only ONE ingredient: WEED As soon as "Big Tobacco" becomes "Big Weed" it will have over 500 ingredients.

yeah but at least it will be cheaper than the good stuff

I only smoke the good stuff. Someone gave me an ounce of not good stuff about 2 months ago. It's untouched sitting with the spices in the kitchen. I'll bake with it eventually. As I posted earlier, I pay $175 per OUNCE. It could very well get cheaper if the amendment here in Colorado passes.


some people prefer the cheap stuff cause it doesn't make them psychotic
 
2012-11-06 01:59:44 PM

toraque: It won't just be old people crashing into them!


They will sell a heck of a lot more zucchinni bread.
 
2012-11-06 02:01:09 PM
Some points-

1. Those who claim that growing good-quality cannabis is a sinch have never trimmed for days on end or had a mite infestation.

2. Most pot smokers are snobs and probably won't buy anything from Big Tobacco unless it is out of desperation.

3. I miss my old dispensary job (and have bittersweet nightly recurring dreams about being back there) and if Amendment 64 passes and I can find a job back in the industry I fully intend on moving back to CO, though probably not Fort Collins.

4. Even at my chain-smoking peak I was only burning through an ounce a week. A half-zip a day sounds insane and I want to party with that guy.

/Vote YES on 64- the Bring Radar Home initiative!
 
2012-11-06 02:01:20 PM

CheatCommando: santadog: Soon, you will hear the term "Big Marijuana".

Phillip Morris and RJR probably have contingency plans in place in the event of legalization, and then the cartels will find how hard it is to compete with people who have the financial muscle to start wars.


PM and RJR are the biggest threats to the "cottage" medical marijuana growers. When I worked for a grow facility in Longmont, the owners were constantly talking about the consequences to having it legalized, and Big Tobacco getting in on the scene was the major issue.
 
2012-11-06 02:01:42 PM
While I'm all for the legalization of pot, I'm not sure that we'll like what happens when the cartels find their profits being sucked dry by legalization efforts. Whether that manifests in more financial efforts to fight legalization (campaign donations, funding legal teams to fight the laws legalizing it, etc.), or flat out gang violence towards legal sellers/growers and attempts at muscling in on gaining a "Cut", I don't know.
 
2012-11-06 02:02:20 PM
In our Utopian Marijuana near-future, you will buy boutique strains that will taste and look amazing but won't get you "too" high if that is your desire.
 
2012-11-06 02:02:48 PM

Paris1127: /legalize gay marijuana?


hempbeach.com
Take a drag.
 
2012-11-06 02:02:57 PM

toraque: vudukungfu: santadog: Again, anyone can grow weed. It's an art to grow the ...

Looking forward to seeing the farmer's markets of the future.

It won't just be old people crashing into them!


The stoner-driven cars will be moving very slowly, so everyone will just push the vender stands out of the way and let them through.
 
2012-11-06 02:04:41 PM

radarlove: Some points-

1. Those who claim that growing good-quality cannabis is a sinch have never trimmed for days on end or had a mite infestation.

2. Most pot smokers are snobs and probably won't buy anything from Big Tobacco unless it is out of desperation.

3. I miss my old dispensary job (and have bittersweet nightly recurring dreams about being back there) and if Amendment 64 passes and I can find a job back in the industry I fully intend on moving back to CO, though probably not Fort Collins.

4. Even at my chain-smoking peak I was only burning through an ounce a week. A half-zip a day sounds insane and I want to party with that guy.

/Vote YES on 64- the Bring Radar Home initiative!


Longmont screwed all the dispensaries. My bosses lost out on almost half a million dollars in permits and fees places by the city. They've assembled with other outted growers/dispensaries and are taking the city to court.

/I miss that job. I giggled every day while there.
 
2012-11-06 02:06:21 PM

TeaCozy: It's been many, many years since I've smoked weed. It was never really my thing because it always made me feel a bit paranoid. Back when I was in high school, (I'm old!) I could walk into the girls' bathroom and buy a joint for two bucks. One of my friends (who smoked a lot) was always hitting her mom up for ten bucks to "go to the movies" which she would then spend on a bag of pot. IIRC, there was a good bit of weed in the bag and it was almost always stinky homegrown that she had bought from someone who lived way out in BFE.

How much does it cost now? Do people still buy it by the joint?

If it were to be made legal, do you reckon that it could be grown so that it would be available in different 'strengths'? So that maybe someone like me could buy something to relax without feeling fried? Because if I could get something in mild, I would happily buy it.


Yes. Even now, you can get it at different strengths and different effects. Sativa strains are probably what you'd want...it's a "head" high and not the body high you're talking about which comes more from Indica strains.

But, every body is different and effects can vary slightly.
 
2012-11-06 02:06:40 PM

Wasilla Hillbilly: In our Utopian Marijuana near-future, you will buy boutique strains that will taste and look amazing but won't get you "too" high if that is your desire.


My old boss was working on a strain that didn't get you high at all. 100% pain and nausea relief, 0% head farkery. Wave of the future. Brilliant.
 
2012-11-06 02:06:49 PM

SquiggsIN: WeenerGord: scottydoesntknow: Wait, that's right! Most americans pay for the convenience. Growing GOOD cannabis is a science, and most people don't have the time or motivation to dedicate to that.

If it ever does become legal, some hippie liberal Johnny Cannabisseed would prolly throw free seeds down every ditch and embankment and public park in the country, and weed would be as free to all as dandelions are. Wouldn't that be nice?

You must not be a cannabis user. If you were, you'd know there is a world of difference between "ditch weed" and high-end buds.



Yeah, you're right, I don't use any drugs. What's your point, weed snob? My point is that the drug war does more harm than good. Even thought I don't use the stuff, I think the Feds should stop destroying the lives of the people that do.

Are you really so stupid that you think the name makes the product? You think that if a seed with good genetics was planted out of doors, it could not grow as well as some stunted, clipped bonzai mutation, struggling to survive under artificial lights and getting soused with synthetic chemicals?
 
2012-11-06 02:07:16 PM

TeaCozy: It's been many, many years since I've smoked weed. It was never really my thing because it always made me feel a bit paranoid. Back when I was in high school, (I'm old!) I could walk into the girls' bathroom and buy a joint for two bucks. One of my friends (who smoked a lot) was always hitting her mom up for ten bucks to "go to the movies" which she would then spend on a bag of pot. IIRC, there was a good bit of weed in the bag and it was almost always stinky homegrown that she had bought from someone who lived way out in BFE.

How much does it cost now? Do people still buy it by the joint?

If it were to be made legal, do you reckon that it could be grown so that it would be available in different 'strengths'? So that maybe someone like me could buy something to relax without feeling fried? Because if I could get something in mild, I would happily buy it.


Not just strengths, but blends too. The long and the short of it is, THC is responsible for paranoia and CBD works as a depressant / relaxant. Sativa breeds have mostly THC, Indica breeds have a more balanced ratio. Smoke too much Indica and you'll end up taking a nap on the couch, not having a panic attack. CBD appears to be the source of a bunch of pot's medicinal uses, so deliberately growing CBD heavy strains is becoming more common as well, and some dispensaries actually label how much of each is in a given product.

Most people don't buy it by the joint, since people pick different portion sizes for different uses (glass pipes / vaporizers / cigar wraps / cooking).
 
2012-11-06 02:08:08 PM
I'll be voting YES on 64 later today. I dont smoke (job), but Im all for letting grown ass adults do it if they want.
 
2012-11-06 02:09:59 PM
They should end the farce of Healthcare and legalize the sale of prescription drugs without a prescription too. It would increase the velocity of sales which I'm sure Big Pharma is totally cool with.
 
2012-11-06 02:10:13 PM

Tango_down: fark all of you.. I live in Ohio and can't find anything.. I have to smoke campaign ads to get high.


Ohio seems to be kind of dry right now...

Not that I would know anything about that....

/*walks back inside as a Sheriff helicopter flies overhead*
 
2012-11-06 02:12:23 PM

The Decider: By the way, if it does pass, I give it two years before Big Tobacco completely shuts down the small mom and pop sellers and has a monopoly on sales. I have a feeling they've been preparing for this for some time.


I'm betting on big agribusiness. I think they're better positioned for this sort of thing, particularly being mostly privately held. Do you know who owns your food supply? Do you know what subsidiaries they control? Do they have to publish their accounting or ownership statements? Are they even US-based? If you're like most people you have no idea, and that's a big advantage when you want to produce controversial products.

But in either case (Altria or Cargill) they likely won't be any more interested in retail than they are for their existing product lines. They'll be perfectly happy to control the supply and let retail do as it will and deal with their own hassles for location licensing/etc.
 
2012-11-06 02:13:21 PM

WeenerGord: SquiggsIN: WeenerGord: scottydoesntknow: Wait, that's right! Most americans pay for the convenience. Growing GOOD cannabis is a science, and most people don't have the time or motivation to dedicate to that.

If it ever does become legal, some hippie liberal Johnny Cannabisseed would prolly throw free seeds down every ditch and embankment and public park in the country, and weed would be as free to all as dandelions are. Wouldn't that be nice?

You must not be a cannabis user. If you were, you'd know there is a world of difference between "ditch weed" and high-end buds.


Yeah, you're right, I don't use any drugs. What's your point, weed snob? My point is that the drug war does more harm than good. Even thought I don't use the stuff, I think the Feds should stop destroying the lives of the people that do.

Are you really so stupid that you think the name makes the product? You think that if a seed with good genetics was planted out of doors, it could not grow as well as some stunted, clipped bonzai mutation, struggling to survive under artificial lights and getting soused with synthetic chemicals?


No, it would not. There are controls with light indoors, like shining when it's dark. Those artificial lights, aren't just "lights". They are lights putting out specific rays for specific growing stages and flowering stages. And trust me.. those plants are doing anything but struggling under those lights. They are thriving. And who's sousing in syth chemicals? Maybe some, but the best is touted as organic, and Bat shiat is used.

Every hear of mites? Frost? Hail? Floods? Drought? Animals? Bugs? Birds? Thieves? Vandals?
 
2012-11-06 02:14:31 PM

santadog: Longmont screwed all the dispensaries. My bosses lost out on almost half a million dollars in permits and fees places by the city. They've assembled with other outted growers/dispensaries and are taking the city to court.

/I miss that job. I giggled every day while there.


Same story with Fort Collins. There's a ballot initiative there today to get the ban overturned, but even if it passes I probably wouldn't go back there unless explicitly asked to by my old boss. I'm too burned by everything that went down to ever want to set foot in Fort Collins again, but Josh Stanley was a truly exceptional boss and really knew what he was doing with regards to the business and with regards to patients and compassionate caregiving. Budding Health was a fantastic shop that was really doing it right.

I really miss being in that industry and fear that I won't really be happy doing anything else.
 
2012-11-06 02:16:26 PM

WeenerGord: Are you really so stupid that you think the name makes the product? You think that if a seed with good genetics was planted out of doors, it could not grow as well as some stunted, clipped bonzai mutation, struggling to survive under artificial lights and getting soused with synthetic chemicals?


Yeah, dude, the outdoor grow would probably be quite lively and impressive, but would not likely result in the high-grade smoke that people tend to prefer. Anything's possible, but the best weed comes from constant care, attention, and botanical intelligence. Indoor grows give you control over pretty much all aspects.
 
2012-11-06 02:18:00 PM

WeenerGord: SquiggsIN: WeenerGord: scottydoesntknow: Wait, that's right! Most americans pay for the convenience. Growing GOOD cannabis is a science, and most people don't have the time or motivation to dedicate to that.

If it ever does become legal, some hippie liberal Johnny Cannabisseed would prolly throw free seeds down every ditch and embankment and public park in the country, and weed would be as free to all as dandelions are. Wouldn't that be nice?

You must not be a cannabis user. If you were, you'd know there is a world of difference between "ditch weed" and high-end buds.


Yeah, you're right, I don't use any drugs. What's your point, weed snob? My point is that the drug war does more harm than good. Even thought I don't use the stuff, I think the Feds should stop destroying the lives of the people that do.

Are you really so stupid that you think the name makes the product? You think that if a seed with good genetics was planted out of doors, it could not grow as well as some stunted, clipped bonzai mutation, struggling to survive under artificial lights and getting soused with synthetic chemicals?


Cannabinoids are produced on the leaves and buds of the plant in response to harsh conditions; once of the tricks an indoor grower can use is to turn down the temperature just after flowering to force the plant to produce more oils to protect itself. The healthiest plant isn't necessarily the one that produces the best end product. I'm not saying the name makes the product, but with all of the crazy tools available to indoor growers, their plants aren't remotely "struggling to survive", they're purpose-bred and precision monitored.
 
2012-11-06 02:18:20 PM

The Decider: Just some clarification, at least on the Washington initiative. Growing your own will still be illegal, the whole point of the initiative is to get more tax money. You'll need to but it from a licensed retailer. All the old penalties still apply for home growing.

By the way, if it does pass, I give it two years before Big Tobacco completely shuts down the small mom and pop sellers and has a monopoly on sales. I have a feeling they've been preparing for this for some time.


The REAL question is; Will Federal LEO agencies allow pot to be sold as the state's laws want them to be. I don't see them lying down and losing their gravy train. They make a small fortune from prosecuting pot smokers and growers, plus the confiscation of homes, vehicles, and other property. I think there's gonna be a civil war in the court system, at least, to get pot free of the drug mongers. Someone in Congress needs to follow the money in the relationship between our agencies (DEA, FDA, FBI, and others) and the Mexican Cartels.

/I agree that big tobacco has been ready since the late 60s, but will the regulations laid down for tobacco be applied to Marijuana?
//there's no law making tobacco illegal to grow, but most don't. Will this be the way with MJ?
///And what about us ol' farks who grew up on that 60s weed. Where we gonna find 'shake' if everyone buys packs?
////More questions than virgules, I tells ya
 
2012-11-06 02:18:57 PM

scottydoesntknow: They said, however, that they did not believe that production will rob the cartels of significant profits, saying instead that they thought Mexican drug lords would instead try to participate in legal production inside the U.S.

Except in my experience mexican weed sucks so much. It stinks like ass, has waaaay too many sticks/seeds, and is dryer than an 80-year-old nun. The only reason people purchased mexican brick weed is because it's the only thing available. If (or when) legalized, the cartels would have to seriously ramp up their production/cultivation methods (which increases costs) or watch as every person passes their "Helado y Molta" push cart and goes into a legal herb shop.


Given how quickly the cartel's meth "factories" have been cranking out super-cheap, super high-quality blue-tinted meth (yes reality is now imitating a TV show), I think they could get some truly epic hydro facilties online pretty quickly. but then they'd likely be messing with a truly dangerous cartel with almost unlimited financial resources: US Big Tobacco, which will jump into this market with both feet once it gets just a skosh more respectable (don't believe me? Go see who holds the trademark on names like "maui wowie" and "hydro")
 
2012-11-06 02:20:00 PM

radarlove: My old boss was working on a strain that didn't get you high at all. 100% pain and nausea relief, 0% head farkery. Wave of the future. Brilliant.


If I smoked, and of course I don't as it's illegal. But if I did I'd try to find some Rascal OG - very low THC, very high CBD. No paranoia whatsoever.

/don't like the sativas I must say
 
2012-11-06 02:20:57 PM

JohnBigBootay: radarlove: My old boss was working on a strain that didn't get you high at all. 100% pain and nausea relief, 0% head farkery. Wave of the future. Brilliant.

If I smoked, and of course I don't as it's illegal. But if I did I'd try to find some Rascal OG - very low THC, very high CBD. No paranoia whatsoever.

/don't like the sativas I must say


Guess what? When it's legal, paranoia goes away!!!
 
2012-11-06 02:26:47 PM

santadog: No, it would not. There are controls with light indoors, like shining when it's dark. Those artificial lights, aren't just "lights". They are lights putting out specific rays for specific growing stages and flowering stages. And trust me.. those plants are doing anything but struggling under those lights. They are thriving. And who's sousing in syth chemicals? Maybe some, but the best is touted as organic, and Bat shiat is used.


Plants are meant to grow under natural sunlight. Artificials can only try to replicate the natural outdoor habitat as much as possible. And if you like the taste of Bat Shiat, more power to you.

santadog: Every hear of mites? Frost? Hail? Floods? Drought? Animals? Bugs? Birds? Thieves? Vandals?


Yeah, shiat happens. If it grew everywhere like dandelions, that would cut down on the thieving. As for all the rest, that is a part of nature. Do you insist that all your corn and wheat products be grown indoors to protect them from floods and drought and mites?

What you are defending is what you have been forced to do because of the drug war. If the drug war ends, you won't have to do all that anymore. Sure hope you weed snobs will be able to find something else to feel superior about.

Years ago I saw a photo online of a weed plant in some Australian guys back yard. It was taller than his house, and had flower clusters as long as a mans leg and as thick as a thigh. The base was like a small tree trunk.

I can see how weed snobs getting paid BIG bucks for little measly one and two inch long buds would feel intimidated by that.
 
2012-11-06 02:30:25 PM

WeenerGord: Are you really so stupid that you think the name makes the product? You think that if a seed with good genetics was planted out of doors, it could not grow as well as some stunted, clipped bonzai mutation, struggling to survive under artificial lights and getting soused with synthetic chemicals?


With regards to genetics, you should be made aware of the fact that many strains are specifically bred to be grown indoors. Some are bred for outdoor growth. You can grow an indoor strain outdoors and vice versa, but it will do better in the environment it was bred for. Many people intentionally grow "stunted clipped bonzai mutations" in what is known as a Sea Of Green (SOG) grow. You see, when you make many smaller plants and trim off excess unusable material (a process known as lolipopping) you tend to get smaller buds and smaller yields per plant but a much faster plant rotation, which in many cases means a greater yield overall. Again, some strains are suited for this, and some are not.

Your statement about plants struggling under indoor light is utter hokum though. A couple of 600w Metal Halide lights during veg and a couple of 1000w High Pressure Sodium lights during flowering will be pumping out more than enough lumens to keep your plants very, very happy.

And personally, I don't know anyone who uses harsh chemicals or nutes to grow their cannabis. Anyone who does usually finds their sales quickly slipping and without much of an increase in yield. Not worth it.
 
PJ-
2012-11-06 02:30:56 PM

TeaCozy: It's been many, many years since I've smoked weed. It was never really my thing because it always made me feel a bit paranoid. Back when I was in high school, (I'm old!) I could walk into the girls' bathroom and buy a joint for two bucks. One of my friends (who smoked a lot) was always hitting her mom up for ten bucks to "go to the movies" which she would then spend on a bag of pot. IIRC, there was a good bit of weed in the bag and it was almost always stinky homegrown that she had bought from someone who lived way out in BFE.

How much does it cost now? Do people still buy it by the joint?

If it were to be made legal, do you reckon that it could be grown so that it would be available in different 'strengths'? So that maybe someone like me could buy something to relax without feeling fried? Because if I could get something in mild, I would happily buy it.


By the joint where I`m from is long gone. Too many people taking advantage and putting anything but weed in the joint. Around here, you usually pay $10 a gram and about $50 for a 1/4 and $170 an ounce.

As per strengths, it's very easy to have varying potency while growing the plant. You could also do what my buddy does, roll up a joint, smoke part of it, out it, and smoke the rest later when you feel you need more. He can't handle the greens around here, no matter how much he smokes, it's quite funny to watch him after he blazes one up. I've watched him completely destroy a beautiful steak over dinner and then go lay down because he go so blitzed out.
 
2012-11-06 02:31:04 PM

santadog: Guess what? When it's legal, paranoia goes away!!!


Yeah, no. I'm not paranoid from the 5-0 necessarily. I just get all worried about everything on the strong sativas - also, can't sleep. So that's a no go. No problem - there's plenty of fine indicas luckily.
 
2012-11-06 02:32:46 PM
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2012-11-06 02:34:21 PM

WeenerGord: santadog: No, it would not. There are controls with light indoors, like shining when it's dark. Those artificial lights, aren't just "lights". They are lights putting out specific rays for specific growing stages and flowering stages. And trust me.. those plants are doing anything but struggling under those lights. They are thriving. And who's sousing in syth chemicals? Maybe some, but the best is touted as organic, and Bat shiat is used.

Plants are meant to grow under natural sunlight. Artificials can only try to replicate the natural outdoor habitat as much as possible. And if you like the taste of Bat Shiat, more power to you.

santadog: Every hear of mites? Frost? Hail? Floods? Drought? Animals? Bugs? Birds? Thieves? Vandals?

Yeah, shiat happens. If it grew everywhere like dandelions, that would cut down on the thieving. As for all the rest, that is a part of nature. Do you insist that all your corn and wheat products be grown indoors to protect them from floods and drought and mites?

What you are defending is what you have been forced to do because of the drug war. If the drug war ends, you won't have to do all that anymore. Sure hope you weed snobs will be able to find something else to feel superior about.

Years ago I saw a photo online of a weed plant in some Australian guys back yard. It was taller than his house, and had flower clusters as long as a mans leg and as thick as a thigh. The base was like a small tree trunk.

I can see how weed snobs getting paid BIG bucks for little measly one and two inch long buds would feel intimidated by that.


Your ignorance to the industry shows.
That is all.
 
2012-11-06 02:41:15 PM

WeenerGord: Years ago I saw a photo online of a weed plant in some Australian guys back yard. It was taller than his house, and had flower clusters as long as a mans leg and as thick as a thigh. The base was like a small tree trunk.

I can see how weed snobs getting paid BIG bucks for little measly one and two inch long buds would feel intimidated by that.


If what you're saying is true, then it took years to grow that plant. In the same amount of time with a SOG grow, one could go through dozens of plants and have a yield far higher and of better quality than some mammoth redwood could produce.

I hate to say it, but...

Donnie, you're out of your element.
 
2012-11-06 02:43:10 PM

santadog: Your ignorance to the industry shows.
That is all.


Whatever, dude. I don't smoke that shiat at all, but I think it should be completely legal world wide. We are on the same side here, and just cos I think natural conditions are best for plants, you gotta pick a fight with me? Sounds like somebody is worried about losing their weed snob job.
 
2012-11-06 02:43:16 PM

JohnBigBootay: santadog: Guess what? When it's legal, paranoia goes away!!!

Yeah, no. I'm not paranoid from the 5-0 necessarily. I just get all worried about everything on the strong sativas - also, can't sleep. So that's a no go. No problem - there's plenty of fine indicas luckily.


I'm with ya- big indica guy here. Are you old? I've noticed most of us middle-aged-to-old folks prefer indicas, whereas the whippersnappers all like sativas.
 
2012-11-06 02:43:50 PM

Paris1127: If the photo at the top of the article is any indication, legalizing pot is a slippery-slope to gay marriage...
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/legalize gay marijuana?


I guess "getting stoned" could have an alternative meaning.
 
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