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2012-11-06 08:46:31 AM  
Maybe it's not too late to save Hostess
 
2012-11-06 09:51:40 AM  
Obvious tag get the munchies?
 
2012-11-06 10:07:46 AM  
If the photo at the top of the article is any indication, legalizing pot is a slippery-slope to gay marriage...
www.gannett-cdn.com

/legalize gay marijuana?
 
2012-11-06 10:13:43 AM  
They said, however, that they did not believe that production will rob the cartels of significant profits, saying instead that they thought Mexican drug lords would instead try to participate in legal production inside the U.S.

Except in my experience mexican weed sucks so much. It stinks like ass, has waaaay too many sticks/seeds, and is dryer than an 80-year-old nun. The only reason people purchased mexican brick weed is because it's the only thing available. If (or when) legalized, the cartels would have to seriously ramp up their production/cultivation methods (which increases costs) or watch as every person passes their "Helado y Molta" push cart and goes into a legal herb shop.
 
2012-11-06 12:02:16 PM  
We are voting to leagaize pot today ??????????????????

/ didn't get the memo...........
 
2012-11-06 12:03:15 PM  

Paris1127: If the photo at the top of the article is any indication, legalizing pot is a slippery-slope to gay marriage...
[www.gannett-cdn.com image 560x422]

/legalize gay marijuana?


First your women start sleeping with jazz men, then your men start sleeping with each other.
 
2012-11-06 12:03:58 PM  

Taco Bell strangely silent on the matter


Possibly because Taco Bell is completely unrelated to Mexico?


I know, in the future all restaurants are Taco Bell.
 
2012-11-06 12:05:39 PM  
I actually had a pot brownie from an SF dispensary 2 months ago (a buddy gets in on an expired prescription for "back pain").

Holy crap that was strong. I never was into pot because smoking it has little effect on me, but eating it? Honestly, that was like intense. 

CSB, dude.
 
2012-11-06 12:06:27 PM  
... Because we're farked up as it is, and having less deaths will at least make it a little bit more tolerable to live here?.
 
2012-11-06 12:07:40 PM  
Shut up Mexico, no one wants to smoke your brown weed.
 
2012-11-06 12:10:12 PM  

scottydoesntknow: They said, however, that they did not believe that production will rob the cartels of significant profits, saying instead that they thought Mexican drug lords would instead try to participate in legal production inside the U.S.

Except in my experience mexican weed sucks so much. It stinks like ass, has waaaay too many sticks/seeds, and is dryer than an 80-year-old nun. The only reason people purchased mexican brick weed is because it's the only thing available. If (or when) legalized, the cartels would have to seriously ramp up their production/cultivation methods (which increases costs) or watch as every person passes their "Helado y Molta" push cart and goes into a legal herb shop.


Apparently they already have. I've seen articles from up and down the west coast about both Asian and Mexican gangs/cartels operating indoor high end grow ops.
 
2012-11-06 12:10:16 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Taco Bell strangely silent on the matter


Possibly because Taco Bell is completely unrelated to Mexico?


I know, in the future all restaurants are Taco Bell.


Nah man, it's becuz stoopid stoners spend all their money on the weed and can only afford Taco Bell to quell their munchies.
 
2012-11-06 12:11:03 PM  

SirEattonHogg: I actually had a pot brownie from an SF dispensary 2 months ago (a buddy gets in on an expired prescription for "back pain").

Holy crap that was strong. I never was into pot because smoking it has little effect on me, but eating it? Honestly, that was like intense. 

CSB, dude.


I am the same way I have smoked it and just got tired and thats it woke up with a headache. But eat it and jeebus.
 
2012-11-06 12:12:03 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Shut up Mexico, no one wants to smoke your brown weed.


Then why the hell so much money and guns pour down from the US?.
 
2012-11-06 12:12:59 PM  

davidphogan: scottydoesntknow: They said, however, that they did not believe that production will rob the cartels of significant profits, saying instead that they thought Mexican drug lords would instead try to participate in legal production inside the U.S.

Except in my experience mexican weed sucks so much. It stinks like ass, has waaaay too many sticks/seeds, and is dryer than an 80-year-old nun. The only reason people purchased mexican brick weed is because it's the only thing available. If (or when) legalized, the cartels would have to seriously ramp up their production/cultivation methods (which increases costs) or watch as every person passes their "Helado y Molta" push cart and goes into a legal herb shop.

Apparently they already have. I've seen articles from up and down the west coast about both Asian and Mexican gangs/cartels operating indoor high end grow ops.


And, the Russian Mafia is also doing business with the Zetas.
 
2012-11-06 12:16:22 PM  
Mexican pot grows in the Northwest is the main reason I hike in the woods openly armed. They are everywhere out here.

/know your producer
 
2012-11-06 12:16:52 PM  
Mexican cartels get more cash from heroin and meth. I don't think legalized pot will cut into their take much...

/drtfa
 
2012-11-06 12:17:03 PM  
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2012-11-06 12:11:03 PM
SirEattonHogg: I actually had a pot brownie from an SF dispensary 2 months ago (a buddy gets in on an expired prescription for "back pain").

Holy crap that was strong. I never was into pot because smoking it has little effect on me, but eating it? Honestly, that was like intense.

CSB, dude.

I am the same way I have smoked it and just got tired and thats it woke up with a headache. But eat it and jeebus.


I'm the same - minus the headache. Eating it threw me for such a loop I actually had to tell my buddy that I was a bit freaked out. I didn't expect it at all. Thank goodness I didn't eat the whole brownie.
 
2012-11-06 12:21:09 PM  
Paris1127:
/legalize gay marijuana?

Absolutely, we should all be allowed to smoke whatever we choose - from weed to pole.
 
2012-11-06 12:22:40 PM  
Who do you think spent a shiat ton of money to kill California's pot legalization .
 
2012-11-06 12:27:01 PM  
Taco Bell has nothing to do with mexican food, stoned subby.
 
2012-11-06 12:31:18 PM  
So much Derp every legalize Pot thread.
Bottom line is: If you legalize it, anyone can grow their own stash.
If you can't, then you suck at gardening.
Two plant will get an adult through a full year of personal use, and gifts to friends.
No one will make any money outside of a few light fixture sales folks.
And the government (bought and paid for by Monsanto, Dow, Pfiser, etc, etc, ) doesn't like it.
Not one bit.
No money for them.

Boo farking hoo.
 
2012-11-06 12:31:35 PM  
I'm in Colorado and votes for it.

Don't have time to smoke, but TWOD needs to end and this is a good first step.
 
2012-11-06 12:32:08 PM  

Grammatik Polizei: Mexican cartels get more cash from heroin and meth. I don't think legalized pot will cut into their take much...

/drtfa


They get 40-50% of their total from pot from what I've read. They'll still be big orgs, but it would take a big bite out. And if some states legalize pot, and *gasp* nothing changes, maybe people will be more open to taking a look at our drug laws in a more general way.
 
2012-11-06 12:34:06 PM  
I think once (if) pot is nationally legalized, then the cartels will surely struggle in that market.
 
2012-11-06 12:34:41 PM  

CygnusDarius: CapeFearCadaver: Shut up Mexico, no one wants to smoke your brown weed.

Then why the hell so much money and guns pour down from the US?.


Don't ask me, I'm just a pothead.
 
2012-11-06 12:35:37 PM  
Maybe I should read the article, but I'm guessing it has something to do with dead Mexicans.
 
2012-11-06 12:36:42 PM  

vudukungfu: So much Derp every legalize Pot thread.
Bottom line is: If you legalize it, anyone can grow their own stash.
If you can't, then you suck at gardening.
Two plant will get an adult through a full year of personal use, and gifts to friends.
No one will make any money outside of a few light fixture sales folks.
And the government (bought and paid for by Monsanto, Dow, Pfiser, etc, etc, ) doesn't like it.
Not one bit.
No money for them.

Boo farking hoo.


Just like how everyone is already a farmer and brewer and never buys anything that can grow out of the ground or sold in the beer aisle.

Wait, that's right! Most americans pay for the convenience. Growing GOOD cannabis is a science, and most people don't have the time or motivation to dedicate to that.
 
2012-11-06 12:36:58 PM  

SquiggsIN:
2 plants? umm.. no it won't get a regular user through a year.


Either you're chronic, or you grow bonsai weed.
 
2012-11-06 12:37:09 PM  
Good one submitter. I got a good laugh out of the Taco Bell comment.
 
2012-11-06 12:37:30 PM  
That choice will lead to a loss of $1.425 billion to the cartels if Colorado legalizes, $1.372 billion if Washington approves the ballot measure, and $1.839 billion if Oregon votes yes, the study says.

Woohoo, Oregon wins!

/Do we smoke the most pot or something?
 
2012-11-06 12:38:15 PM  

vudukungfu: So much Derp every legalize Pot thread.
Bottom line is: If you legalize it, anyone can grow their own stash.
If you can't, then you suck at gardening.
Two plant will get an adult through a full year of personal use, and gifts to friends.

In other words, "I've never grown pot."

 
2012-11-06 12:38:21 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Just like how everyone is already a farmer and brewer and never buys anything that can grow out of the ground or sold in the beer aisle.

.


Here in Vermont, most people I hang with brew their own.
 
2012-11-06 12:41:44 PM  

vudukungfu: scottydoesntknow: Just like how everyone is already a farmer and brewer and never buys anything that can grow out of the ground or sold in the beer aisle.

.

Here in Vermont, most people I hang with brew their own.


You're losing this one, buddy. Sorry.
 
2012-11-06 12:43:42 PM  

Grammatik Polizei: Mexican cartels get more cash from heroin and meth. I don't think legalized pot will cut into their take much...

/drtfa


I think that most of their profits are from weed - it's just that heroin and meth are higher margin.

Another benefit is that under legalization, you'd have fewer growers out in parks and reserves ready to shoot innocent campers and hikers.
 
2012-11-06 12:44:28 PM  

lewismarktwo: Englebert Slaptyback: Taco Bell strangely silent on the matter


Possibly because Taco Bell is completely unrelated to Mexico?


I know, in the future all restaurants are Taco Bell.

Nah man, it's becuz stoopid stoners spend all their money on the weed and can only afford Taco Bell to quell their munchies.


And smart stoners know how to get their weed for free and don't have to resort to *gag* taco hell.
 
2012-11-06 12:44:50 PM  

vudukungfu: scottydoesntknow: Just like how everyone is already a farmer and brewer and never buys anything that can grow out of the ground or sold in the beer aisle.

.

Here in Vermont, most people I hang with brew their own.


And that anecdotal evidence definitely translates to the entire population. That's why Anheuser-Busch is close to bankruptcy, all those home brewers....
 
2012-11-06 12:45:02 PM  
The point is that home brewing hasn't killed the market and neither would legal home growing, but it definitely could make a huge dent in Mexican and Canadian imports, especially if made legal to sell in stores.
 
2012-11-06 12:45:52 PM  
Mexico doesn't want weed to be legal any more than the US does. It's too profitable while it's contraband
 
2012-11-06 12:46:17 PM  

vudukungfu: So much Derp every legalize Pot thread.
Bottom line is: If you legalize it, anyone can grow their own stash.
If you can't, then you suck at gardening.
Two plant will get an adult through a full year of personal use, and gifts to friends.
No one will make any money outside of a few light fixture sales folks.
And the government (bought and paid for by Monsanto, Dow, Pfiser, etc, etc, ) doesn't like it.
Not one bit.
No money for them.

Boo farking hoo.


I live in Colorado. Right now "almost" anyone can grow their own stashes, and they / I don't. Anyone can grow "weed", not everyone can grow quality Med Mar. How many people grow their own tobacco? Anyone can grow tobacco.. but they don't.
I consume an ounce a month, so your "two plant" per person isn't realistic by any serious user.
Soon, you will hear the term "Big Marijuana".
 
2012-11-06 12:47:57 PM  
What remains to be seen is how it would effective the prices. I suspect the high end stuff would remain about the same with huge influxes of lesser grade for very cheap. If a big enough difference, you might see alot more bubble hash and such around.
 
2012-11-06 12:50:27 PM  

SquiggsIN: (I have a cousin that burns about a half an ounce a day)


I find that hard to believe. 14 grams a day? Does he do anything besides chain smoke one after the other?
 
2012-11-06 12:52:01 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: What remains to be seen is how it would effective the prices. I suspect the high end stuff would remain about the same with huge influxes of lesser grade for very cheap. If a big enough difference, you might see alot more bubble hash and such around.


Lived in Austin, Texas.. and now in Colorado. When I moved here in 2006, an ounce was the same price as in Austin for good quality bud (around $400). Now, I can get an ounce for $175.00 and it's better than the Texas variety. Prices didn't drop in Austin. We see a ton of hash here.
 
2012-11-06 12:52:35 PM  

Strik3r: We are voting to leagaize pot today ??????????????????

/ didn't get the memo...........


Make sure to vote twice.
 
2012-11-06 12:53:21 PM  

santadog: I consume an ounce a month,


That's. . . a lot.
Soon you will have MASD telling you you're chronic.
Just like if you drink more than one beer in a lifetime.
 
2012-11-06 12:55:07 PM  

Paris1127: If the photo at the top of the article is any indication, legalizing pot is a slippery-slope to gay marriage...
[www.gannett-cdn.com image 560x422]

/legalize gay marijuana?



You know what they say: Once they go hermaphrodite-

You've got seeds.
 
2012-11-06 12:55:59 PM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: The point is that home brewing hasn't killed the market and neither would legal home growing, but it definitely could make a huge dent in Mexican and Canadian imports, especially if made legal to sell in stores.


In fact, homebrewing has done quite the opposite. It has increased the beer market, and shifted the market demand to a broader scope of brews. It has induced more interest in beer itself, and the process of making it. There are more active breweries open now than before homebrewing was legal. And that number keeps increasing.

Once (if) MJ is legalized, you'll see a selection in a store much like you see with beer now. There will be the mass produced generic "this'll get you high" cheaper varieties, then there will be more catered strains for specific uses and effects. Even aroma and flavor will be marketable. There will be certain demographics who would grow some at home, just like homebrewers, but they'd mostly likely still buy at least some commercial strains, such as the ones they can't or don't grow at home, just like homebrewers still buy at least some commercial beer. These demographics may grow and shrink, but the fact that both corporate and micro breweries continue to thrive while homebrewing spreads across the country says a lot - mainly that an overwhelming majority don't make their own product(s) at home.
 
2012-11-06 12:56:48 PM  

vudukungfu: santadog: I consume an ounce a month,

That's. . . a lot.
Soon you will have MASD telling you you're chronic.
Just like if you drink more than one beer in a lifetime.


It's not really. I'm a light weight in many circles.

/Spinal fusion L4/L5, chronic nerve pain.
 
2012-11-06 12:56:50 PM  

SquiggsIN: Just like brewing your own beer or wine, with legalized cannabis there will be ridiculous regulations preventing the sale or transfer to other parties. Most people will seek distributors for the convenience factor. However, just like microbrewers/vintners, there will always be connoisseurs who see their products as an art form and would want to grow their own.


santadog: I live in Colorado. Right now "almost" anyone can grow their own stashes, and they / I don't. Anyone can grow "weed", not everyone can grow quality Med Mar. How many people grow their own tobacco? Anyone can grow tobacco.. but they don't.


Sorta, but people tend to miss the big point about marijuana. Achieving high end yields is really only particularly difficult when you're trying to hide it. If you were allowed to fence it off in your yard like your tomatoes, it's actually EASIER than tomatoes. It's the control needed for stealth and tight areas and producing a lot all at once that's hard. If it was legal, anyone could pick up a flat of marijuana seedlings at Lowes or Home Depot and produce regular quantities of sufficiently potent smokable marijuana. Most people won't bother to for the same reason as growing lettuce or tomatoes, NOT tobacco. Tobacco you actually need a reasonable amount of space to grow sufficient vegetative matter and reduce it down by drying. A decent size vegetable garden produce copious amounts of marijuana with only a couple plants, if you were allowed to let the things get to six feet tall and six feet wide.

Sure, people will always be able to produce denser, tastier, and more potent buds if they know what they are doing, but if I could replace my cherry tomatoes in my backyard with a marijuana bush of similar size, I could probably supply the entire neighborhood, and that's going to be "sufficient" for a lot of people.
 
2012-11-06 12:58:39 PM  

scottydoesntknow: SquiggsIN: (I have a cousin that burns about a half an ounce a day)

I find that hard to believe. 14 grams a day? Does he do anything besides chain smoke one after the other?


To go through that much he's probably vaporizing large quantities of crappier weed.
 
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