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2012-11-06 10:53:51 AM

RevCarter: theurge14: RevCarter: arcas: The problem is it's not entirely clear what Surface aims to be. It's sized like a tablet, has a touch interface like a tablet, and has an OS that seems better-suited for tablets than for traditional desktops/laptops so it's only natural that it's going to be compared to other tablets. If Microsoft wants to establish Surface as something more than just another tablet, they're going to have to come up with some sort of application where Surface excels but where traditional tablets and touchscreen laptops fall short. I'm not convinced they'll be able to do it seeing how tablet-like Surface appears to be.

Like Microsoft Office?

Are people really clamoring to work on Excel sheets on their tablet?

I am.


Likewise. If I can get the stuff done I need to on the device easily, I'm all over it.
 
2012-11-06 11:00:00 AM
When the version with the Intel Chip and Win8 pro comes out, you MAY -- (emphasis: MAY) see enterprises replacing laptops with those, thus reducing the need to buy an employee a tablet also or run the security risk of BYOD.

They will also be able to use existing custom applications, infrastructures, tools, and support teams to manage them. This is what MS is counting on. This RT version is targeted at consumers who want a device for their home but would like to occasionally create a document. No one, not even MS, expects it to "kill" the iPad.

Not saying it's gonna happen, but that is the plan.
 
2012-11-06 11:00:35 AM

RatOmeter: roflmaonow: We need a poll on FARK to see the breakdown of OS/Tech company allegiances are. At work I have a surprisingly good number of people who are OS neutral and having conversations regarding each unique OS with it's good or bad features is always a good discussion. I learn so much.

Most places online I read there just seems to be a bickering of MS vs. Apple with the occasional Linux user.

I've been aligned against Apple since the early to mid-80s - mostly because of price, their "no, this is what you want" marketing and their followers. Nothing much has changed on that front. I have admired their product execution in most cases, both hardware and software, but not enough to pay them for it.

I started as a happy Microsoft user back in the C/PM (Macro-80 assembler) and Atari (BASIC) days and kind of admired the image of a college dropout nerd helping to shape an emerging market. My admiration waned with Windows 9x and monopolistic, extortive behavior. From a technical and user viewpoint I liked NT, but they made (probably had to) some big technical/security compromises by folding drivers in too closely to ring 0. They went thoroughly off the rails with Vista - no farking clue how that could happen so badly. They seem to have pulled their technical shiat together since then, though I haven't had any chance nor much desire to try out 8 yet.

In the last decade, I've become most strongly aligned with Linux. Partly because it's $free, more because it's Free and mostly because it fits the kind of shiat I like to mess with. I use it at work in servers and embedded systems. I use it at home in my desktops, my laptops and netbooks. My kids use it in the same. I use it for home automation and security. I use it (with realtime extensions) in hobby automation projects. I use it with GNU Radio to do some really cool shiat with SDR hardware. Android seems to work fine for consumer stuff, I'd choose it over Apple, but meh, I'm no fanboy. And finally, Linus i ...


Thank you, that was a good read. I appreciate comments like these. I've come to a point now where I have no OS preference and have had a similar line of thinking along OS lines. Though not as technically astute on the linux front as you I want to get to that level of comfort with linux on a day to day basis and I'm not just talking GUI stuff.

As it currently stands I use win 7 on a daily basis mostly because of gaming. I know all other functionality is basically available either on OSX or linux and have no problem switching over to any alternative.
 
2012-11-06 11:07:06 AM

MightyPez: ManOfTeal: We are talking about the iPad vs every other tablet, the iPad came out in 2010, which would make it's technology, the technology by which all tablets are now judged, 2 years old. My argument is still valid.

"Well what I REALLY meant was a specific type of tablet I don't want to compare other tablets to are 2 years old..."

Right, gotcha. Microsoft Pushed tablets in 2000 but they didn't take. Now they are trying to compete with tablets of a current generation that are actually building a market, but we're not suppose to compare them?

What a strange world you live in.


I don't know where you are at right now but I'm on planet earth......

Back on topic.....I just want someone to weigh the pros and the cons of the Microsoft Surface without throwing in the, "Oh by the way, Apple's iPad does this better."

A completely unbiased, objective observation, that's all I want. Apparently, that's too much to ask for.
 
2012-11-06 11:10:15 AM

olapbill: RevCarter: theurge14: RevCarter: arcas: The problem is it's not entirely clear what Surface aims to be. It's sized like a tablet, has a touch interface like a tablet, and has an OS that seems better-suited for tablets than for traditional desktops/laptops so it's only natural that it's going to be compared to other tablets. If Microsoft wants to establish Surface as something more than just another tablet, they're going to have to come up with some sort of application where Surface excels but where traditional tablets and touchscreen laptops fall short. I'm not convinced they'll be able to do it seeing how tablet-like Surface appears to be.

Like Microsoft Office?

Are people really clamoring to work on Excel sheets on their tablet?

I am.

Likewise. If I can get the stuff done I need to on the device easily, I'm all over it.


Me too. If I could run Office, Indesign, Photoshop, Illustrator and had the ability to single-pixel control, I'd look at a tablet.
 
2012-11-06 11:17:26 AM

ManOfTeal: MightyPez: ManOfTeal: We are talking about the iPad vs every other tablet, the iPad came out in 2010, which would make it's technology, the technology by which all tablets are now judged, 2 years old. My argument is still valid.

"Well what I REALLY meant was a specific type of tablet I don't want to compare other tablets to are 2 years old..."

Right, gotcha. Microsoft Pushed tablets in 2000 but they didn't take. Now they are trying to compete with tablets of a current generation that are actually building a market, but we're not suppose to compare them?

What a strange world you live in.

I don't know where you are at right now but I'm on planet earth......

Back on topic.....I just want someone to weigh the pros and the cons of the Microsoft Surface without throwing in the, "Oh by the way, Apple's iPad does this better."

A completely unbiased, objective observation, that's all I want. Apparently, that's too much to ask for.


I don't think you understand what "unbiased" means. It certainly doesn't mean "ignore a competitive market."

Saying X product does something better or different doesn't constitute bias. It constitutes understanding a feature Y product has is done differently or better by product X.

These products don't exist in a vacuum and not comparing them to other products in the market does a serious disservice to people looking for information.

As an example, having an app market is a great feature. But as it stands, the Windows 8 market has very few apps compared to iPads of Android based tablets. That is an undeniable deficit at this point. So a great feature, but currently executed better on the competition.

That isn't subjective or biased. It's a fair review of a feature of a product.
 
2012-11-06 11:24:51 AM
So, surface tablet is out (unless it's given to me)

There's an android tablet with a similar setup though, fark if i can remember which one
 
2012-11-06 11:27:30 AM

the_sidewinder: jonny_q: f Microsoft could make a stylus-friendly tablet, but without going back to shiatty resistive screens, they would make some money off of me alone (hell, I'd sell the tablet with the app if the price was right)

The Surface Pro, in addition to having a 10 point capacitive multitouch screen, also has a Wacom digitizer in the screen. So there you go


then why the hell didn't they ship that first?
 
2012-11-06 11:30:02 AM

loonatic112358: So, surface tablet is out (unless it's given to me)

There's an android tablet with a similar setup though, fark if i can remember which one


I believe there are several now. I liked using the Asus Transformer setups quite a bit. Trackpad and keyboard on an optional (but expensive) dock accessory. Worked really well for RDP sessions whereas my iPad has always been semi-tolerable, but not great on.
 
2012-11-06 11:31:41 AM
I'm thinking of getting a tablet that has a more modern UI than the iPad.

Something like this:

gwydir.demon.co.uk
(hot)
 
2012-11-06 11:31:53 AM

MightyPez: I believe there are several now. I liked using the Asus Transformer setups quite a bit. Trackpad and keyboard on an optional (but expensive) dock accessory. Worked really well for RDP sessions whereas my iPad has always been semi-tolerable, but not great on


i plan to get either a convertible laptop or some sort of tablet so the kids can do school work on them, sort of waiting for these things to shake out and settle down before i bite though
 
2012-11-06 11:34:59 AM

loonatic112358: MightyPez: I believe there are several now. I liked using the Asus Transformer setups quite a bit. Trackpad and keyboard on an optional (but expensive) dock accessory. Worked really well for RDP sessions whereas my iPad has always been semi-tolerable, but not great on

i plan to get either a convertible laptop or some sort of tablet so the kids can do school work on them, sort of waiting for these things to shake out and settle down before i bite though


It's definitely a burgeoning market and difficult to nail down what is going to stick. An exciting time for enthusiasts, but a frustrating time for consumers.
 
2012-11-06 11:35:44 AM
I don't know anything about the surface because I can't see a reason to own a tablet. But I don't understand the complaints about the lack of apps in an app store. It's windows 8, can't it run anything windows 8 can run? Or does it not count if it's not in a special store labeled 'apps'? Or did they make it without the capability to download software and install it off of websites like a regular computer?
 
2012-11-06 11:38:45 AM

Dissociater: I don't know anything about the surface because I can't see a reason to own a tablet. But I don't understand the complaints about the lack of apps in an app store. It's windows 8, can't it run anything windows 8 can run? Or does it not count if it's not in a special store labeled 'apps'? Or did they make it without the capability to download software and install it off of websites like a regular computer?


There are two types of Windows 8 tablets - Windows 8 RT, which is meant to run on mobile hardware, which is what is out now on the Surface. This can't run Regular Windows programs. Soon they will release Windows 8 on x86 style hardware, which WILL run regular programs.
 
2012-11-06 11:41:15 AM

loonatic112358: There's an android tablet with a similar setup though, fark if i can remember which one


Pretty much all of the tier-1 OEM 10" Android tablets are going to be in-line with the hardware specs of the Surface. The Surface has a full USB port, but if that's really your most compelling need, so does the Lenovo Thinkpad tablet.

I got to play with one for a few minutes on Sunday. It has a well-polished feel to it and I liked the screen, but the ability to run "real" Microsoft Office isn't something I absolutely need from a tablet and that's basically the only argument I think could be made. I can see how it would be handy as a compromise device for a student, though. The soft keyboard on the cover does feel a lot nicer than the one my Xoom uses.
 
2012-11-06 11:44:06 AM

Dissociater: I don't know anything about the surface because I can't see a reason to own a tablet. But I don't understand the complaints about the lack of apps in an app store. It's windows 8, can't it run anything windows 8 can run? Or does it not count if it's not in a special store labeled 'apps'? Or did they make it without the capability to download software and install it off of websites like a regular computer?


It's not Windows 8. It's Windows RT, which just happens to look pretty much exactly like Windows 8, but compiled for a different computing architecture and without the ability to run code made for any previous version of Windows, just like iOS devices can't run OSX software even though they're from the same code base.
 
2012-11-06 11:48:21 AM

LasersHurt: There are two types of Windows 8 tablets - Windows 8 RT, which is meant to run on mobile hardware, which is what is out now on the Surface. This can't run Regular Windows programs. Soon they will release Windows 8 on x86 style hardware, which WILL run regular programs.


Can't Windows 8 x86 also run the RT apps? Not contradicting you, just (hopefully correctly) supplementing.
 
2012-11-06 11:49:03 AM

LasersHurt: Dissociater: I don't know anything about the surface because I can't see a reason to own a tablet. But I don't understand the complaints about the lack of apps in an app store. It's windows 8, can't it run anything windows 8 can run? Or does it not count if it's not in a special store labeled 'apps'? Or did they make it without the capability to download software and install it off of websites like a regular computer?

There are two types of Windows 8 tablets - Windows 8 RT, which is meant to run on mobile hardware, which is what is out now on the Surface. This can't run Regular Windows programs. Soon they will release Windows 8 on x86 style hardware, which WILL run regular programs.


Well that seems short sighted. I'm guessing it's a cost issue?
 
2012-11-06 11:50:31 AM
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LasersHurt: Dissociater: I don't know anything about the surface because I can't see a reason to own a tablet. But I don't understand the complaints about the lack of apps in an app store. It's windows 8, can't it run anything windows 8 can run? Or does it not count if it's not in a special store labeled 'apps'? Or did they make it without the capability to download software and install it off of websites like a regular computer?

There are two types of Windows 8 tablets - Windows 8 RT, which is meant to run on mobile hardware, which is what is out now on the Surface. This can't run Regular Windows programs. Soon they will release Windows 8 on x86 style hardware, which WILL run regular programs.


Yep, with Windows 8 we will see the first real tablet pc.
 
2012-11-06 11:53:19 AM
the price point was too high for gimped Win RT. I'll seriously consider a Surface Pro for my next laptop purchase though.
 
2012-11-06 11:58:00 AM
Went to the Microsoft Store the other day and played with a Surface tablet (I have a toddler so I regularly go for walks with him at the nearby mall).

It's pretty. That's about it. It's not super-intuitive. For example, I wanted to see what apps were available. I found the Store icon, clicked on it, and it took me to the store. So far so good.

I could not figure out how to search. At all. There was no search icon. Touching the edges of the screen did nothing. If I typed with the hardware keyboard, it would automatically start searching, but if I have to bring a hardware keyboard with me everywhere then I may as well get a laptop.

Also, the app selection is pretty poor. I'm surprised they didn't make the Surface compatible with Windows Phone - it's the same processor architecture so a software compatibilty layer shouldn't have been too much of a hassle.
 
2012-11-06 12:04:32 PM
I have both an iPad and now a Surface. The iPad does have more apps, but the main thing I was using it for? Browsing the web while watching tv or doing something else. Played the occasional game and some reading. The problems started to arise when I wanted to do more substantial editing of a document or commenting on a forum. The iPad could do some of this, but I wasn't happy with the way it did. I also felt "boxed in" by the walled garden that is Apple. I tried android tablets (Asus, Samsunger) and it seemed less than the iPad, the app selection was good, but the implementation/hardware wasn't great. The surface is different. App selection is definitely less. But it feels less walled. The hardware is really solid, slightly less than the iPad (especially screen), but better than the android tablets I tried. (Disclaimer: the Nexus 10 may be a better guage). I can go from tablet consumption to excel spreadsheet editing without much thought. Now when I do the family budget, I can do it from the couch rather than my office.

The iPad is a great consumption device, but sucky input device. The surface is a good consumption device and a good input device. Long story short: if you want to do mainly consumption, stick with the iPad. If you want something to kind of bridge the gap and allow for better input and editing go for the Surface. If you want a a cheaper tablet, go with the previous gen iPad. If you want something you can attach your world to, go with Android.

Oh, and smartglass is pretty damn sweet, and Xbox music is good. I realize these are coming to android and iOS, but the implementation here is awesome.
 
2012-11-06 12:05:19 PM
Got mine for free from Co. Works great, took afternoon to get used to interface. If I was buying it myself, I'd wait for Pro, but Free is good. I think the RT release was a bad idea in its entirety. I understand why they split it up, but lets get to the one that can load my legacy software. Thats the one that kills the competition.
 
2012-11-06 12:12:07 PM

treesloth: LasersHurt: There are two types of Windows 8 tablets - Windows 8 RT, which is meant to run on mobile hardware, which is what is out now on the Surface. This can't run Regular Windows programs. Soon they will release Windows 8 on x86 style hardware, which WILL run regular programs.

Can't Windows 8 x86 also run the RT apps? Not contradicting you, just (hopefully correctly) supplementing.


I'm not sure, but I believe you cannot.

Dissociater: LasersHurt: Dissociater: I don't know anything about the surface because I can't see a reason to own a tablet. But I don't understand the complaints about the lack of apps in an app store. It's windows 8, can't it run anything windows 8 can run? Or does it not count if it's not in a special store labeled 'apps'? Or did they make it without the capability to download software and install it off of websites like a regular computer?

There are two types of Windows 8 tablets - Windows 8 RT, which is meant to run on mobile hardware, which is what is out now on the Surface. This can't run Regular Windows programs. Soon they will release Windows 8 on x86 style hardware, which WILL run regular programs.

Well that seems short sighted. I'm guessing it's a cost issue?


Two different product lines. The hardware for the x86 tablets will be quite a bit more expensive. The idea is, I guess, for the RT line to integrate with Windows, but largely be a mobile device first and foremost. The x86 devices will be straight-up PCs in your hands.
 
2012-11-06 12:17:26 PM

Dissociater: I don't know anything about the surface because I can't see a reason to own a tablet.


I bought a Nook Color for my mother. I got it back when she passed away. I chipped it with an N2A Android SD chip, and the thing never leaves my hand it seems. I don't use it for browsing much, and don't do e-mail on it, but for reading and playing games, you can't beat it. I also like the smaller form factor, you can wrap your hand around it unlike the bigger tablets, so it's more secure from dropping it. I'd have never bought it for myself, but now that I have it, I love the darned thing.
 
2012-11-06 12:38:46 PM
It costs too much. If they wanted to succeed, they should have started with a 7in tablet and priced it in the Nexus7/Kindle Fire/Nook Color|Tablet range. The HP TouchPad was a great device, but was priced far too high for the market. The Surface is in the same boat.
 
2012-11-06 12:50:12 PM

ManOfTeal: Except that cars, books, and music have been around for centuries. Tablets are about two years old. Excuse me for wanting a completely unbiased review of a relatively new technology. How stupid of me.


How do you expect to get an unbiased review of anything, even if it's in a relatively new category? It isn't merely what this particular tablet can do, it's important to know what it can do relative to other contenders a reader may contemplate buying. The opinion of the article is that Surface does most things less well than other tablets, and when you throw in its key advantage (the keyboard), it's not competitive on price. That all seems like information that would be handy to know if you're looking to buy one of these things.
 
2012-11-06 12:50:19 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I'd like to know how many Microsoft execs were involved in the development of this thing. It's something that only a large committee of vice presidents could come up with.


I was thinking the same thing.

Sounds like executives, marketers, and product managers over-ran the engineers again.
 
2012-11-06 12:52:21 PM

Lord Dimwit: I could not figure out how to search. At all. There was no search icon. Touching the edges of the screen did nothing. If I typed with the hardware keyboard, it would automatically start searching, but if I have to bring a hardware keyboard with me everywhere then I may as well get a laptop.


Search for every application in Win8/RT is done by first swiping in from the right side

/Which is communicated during the setup bits of the OS
//Maybe they should also communicate it on in store documentation for the OS
 
2012-11-06 12:54:50 PM

bhcompy: It costs too much. If they wanted to succeed, they should have started with a 7in tablet and priced it in the Nexus7/Kindle Fire/Nook Color|Tablet range. The HP TouchPad was a great device, but was priced far too high for the market. The Surface is in the same boat.


The 32 GB version is sold out on every MS online store except for China's, and the MS stores were apparently pretty packed at launch

/Whether or not that means they sold a lot remains to be seen, maybe in the fiscal quarter report
 
2012-11-06 12:56:43 PM

LasersHurt: Dissociater: I don't know anything about the surface because I can't see a reason to own a tablet. But I don't understand the complaints about the lack of apps in an app store. It's windows 8, can't it run anything windows 8 can run? Or does it not count if it's not in a special store labeled 'apps'? Or did they make it without the capability to download software and install it off of websites like a regular computer?

There are two types of Windows 8 tablets - Windows 8 RT, which is meant to run on mobile hardware, which is what is out now on the Surface. This can't run Regular Windows programs. Soon they will release Windows 8 on x86 style hardware, which WILL run regular programs.


That's a bummer; I was at least intriqued with the Surface under the notion that it was a closer to an iPad/Macbook Air hybrid. As just an alternative to the iPad with a keyboard, it is less interesting.
 
2012-11-06 01:00:55 PM

Nuclear Monk: That's a bummer; I was at least intriqued with the Surface under the notion that it was a closer to an iPad/Macbook Air hybrid. As just an alternative to the iPad with a keyboard, it is less interesting.


The Surface Pro is probably more of the kind of thing you are looking for
 
2012-11-06 01:06:18 PM
There are so many ideas that could have been done...

A serious investment in flexible display and Kinect like controls when used at home, the office, or other setting. Though simple, one of those could have made a game changer. They didn't.

Everyone is copying/modeling another person's design. No innovation is going into these tablets as far as I can see.

Oh sure, there may be some innovation. The complete lack of jaw dropping innovation makes the current tablet market fall on its knees. They're popular now, but if it is anything like the Netbook drop, 2 - 3 years from now people will be tired of the tablet.
 
2012-11-06 01:06:30 PM

Nuclear Monk: LasersHurt: Dissociater: I don't know anything about the surface because I can't see a reason to own a tablet. But I don't understand the complaints about the lack of apps in an app store. It's windows 8, can't it run anything windows 8 can run? Or does it not count if it's not in a special store labeled 'apps'? Or did they make it without the capability to download software and install it off of websites like a regular computer?

There are two types of Windows 8 tablets - Windows 8 RT, which is meant to run on mobile hardware, which is what is out now on the Surface. This can't run Regular Windows programs. Soon they will release Windows 8 on x86 style hardware, which WILL run regular programs.

That's a bummer; I was at least intriqued with the Surface under the notion that it was a closer to an iPad/Macbook Air hybrid. As just an alternative to the iPad with a keyboard, it is less interesting.


Give it a few months. You'll get your Surface device (priced like a Macbook Air, more likely, but hey).
 
2012-11-06 01:07:54 PM

the_sidewinder: Nuclear Monk: That's a bummer; I was at least intriqued with the Surface under the notion that it was a closer to an iPad/Macbook Air hybrid. As just an alternative to the iPad with a keyboard, it is less interesting.

The Surface Pro is probably more of the kind of thing you are looking for


Ah...good, though ashame it's on the high end of the offerings. Still will probably look into it.
 
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2012-11-06 01:33:33 PM

bloobeary: It's an exceptionally flimsy laptop, with an ugly, klunky operating system.


Have you tried it? It's not in the least bit flimsy, at about 12mm thick it is 35% thinner than a macbook air, the OS is better than any other touch-screen OS on the market and it even runs stuff like office and word.

The fact is it is made by microsoft, which is a branding issue, not a tech issue.
 
2012-11-06 01:47:04 PM

Cooper420: Terrible article.

As for the rest of you, please actually spend time on something if you're going to make comments. Reviews only take you so far and are usually a product placement or "nothing is better than Apple, here's another example of crappy competition"

Use the hardware, try it out... then make a reasonable opinion to share.


My friend just spent a couple of minutes with one. His review was, "slow, clunky, and buggy. A typical Microsoft 1.0 release."

If it's slower at the same tasks than my current Android device, nothing else matters. I can imagine no benefit MS could add that would be worth me buying a new device that feels slower.

I'm sorry if you think I'm being unfair. In my head, it really is that simple. I've already spent the time getting used to Android. The MS logo is, if anything, a minor negative feature. So the Surface has to be significantly better at most tasks or a whole lot better at a few important tasks to even earn a second glance. Nobody I've heard/read, except for one former coworker now Microsoft employee, have made such a claim. Why would I need hands-on time with one?
 
2012-11-06 01:47:44 PM

treesloth: LasersHurt: There are two types of Windows 8 tablets - Windows 8 RT, which is meant to run on mobile hardware, which is what is out now on the Surface. This can't run Regular Windows programs. Soon they will release Windows 8 on x86 style hardware, which WILL run regular programs.

Can't Windows 8 x86 also run the RT apps? Not contradicting you, just (hopefully correctly) supplementing.


WinRT Apps fall into the categories of 'X86', 'X64', 'ARM', and 'Neutral'. Most app developers are picking 'x86' or 'Neutral' right now. That makes ARM specific apps a tiny minority.

Nuclear Monk: That's a bummer; I was at least intriqued with the Surface under the notion that it was a closer to an iPad/Macbook Air hybrid. As just an alternative to the iPad with a keyboard, it is less interesting.


A score of those will be announced in the next three months. Here is one that is already out.
 
2012-11-06 01:58:53 PM
The premise that we are entering a "post-PC" era is essentially flawed due to the touch screen user interface being inferior to the keyboard and mouse user interface for virtually all business applications. Microsoft has taken a wrong step by making their new OS optimized for tablets/touch screens. That their foray into hardware manufacturing, where they have limited competency and experience, has resulted in an inferior device is not surprising at all.
 
2012-11-06 02:01:36 PM
The commercial bugs me. First of all, it's been on ESPN (the channels I watch most) a ton lately. Second, the rhythm of them clicking around reminds me of the "Give me a break" Kit-Kat tune.
 
2012-11-06 02:04:48 PM
I'd bet money, like large sums of money, if you stuck an apple logo on it and changed the startup screen - you'd get thousands of people saying how great it is.
 
2012-11-06 02:11:03 PM
If Microsoft wanted this to be anything other than a flop, there would be a version of Office with a touch interface, and Surface wouldn't have a bigger profit margin than iPad.
 
2012-11-06 02:26:28 PM
For Tuesday, November 6, 2012

http://www.dilbert.com/
 
2012-11-06 02:31:19 PM
The only hardware MS should be making are mice, keyboards and for the love of everything holy could they please bring back the sidewinder.
 
2012-11-06 02:45:20 PM
I was, as is my habit after drinking an organic decaf soy latte, browsing through my local Apple Store, reminiscing with the Apple Geniuses about how Steve Jobs used to bake these wonderful pies (Apple, of course!), when I got a call on my iPhone 5. Sadly, my hands were full - I was buying another iPad Mini. So when I'd finished my transaction I immediately iMessaged my boss to find out what he wanted to chat about. When he told me I was going to be reviewing the Microsoft Surface, my beret almost fell off in surprise!
 
2012-11-06 02:52:04 PM

BullBearMS: If Microsoft wanted this to be anything other than a flop, there would be a version of Office with a touch interface, and Surface wouldn't have a bigger profit margin than iPad.


looks like there is/will be. and supposedly at no cost.
Link
 
2012-11-06 03:02:32 PM
"God why can't Microsoft sell anything," I type on this windows 7 based laptop
 
2012-11-06 03:03:50 PM

jgbrowning: olapbill: RevCarter: theurge14: RevCarter: arcas: The problem is it's not entirely clear what Surface aims to be. It's sized like a tablet, has a touch interface like a tablet, and has an OS that seems better-suited for tablets than for traditional desktops/laptops so it's only natural that it's going to be compared to other tablets. If Microsoft wants to establish Surface as something more than just another tablet, they're going to have to come up with some sort of application where Surface excels but where traditional tablets and touchscreen laptops fall short. I'm not convinced they'll be able to do it seeing how tablet-like Surface appears to be.

Like Microsoft Office?

Are people really clamoring to work on Excel sheets on their tablet?

I am.

Likewise. If I can get the stuff done I need to on the device easily, I'm all over it.

Me too. If I could run Office, Indesign, Photoshop, Illustrator and had the ability to single-pixel control, I'd look at a tablet.


Likewise, I use Office, PS. SolidWorks and other 'real' programs every day, so I am waiting for the Surface Pro to come out before buying a tablet. Surface Pro will run full versions of those programs, not just the dumbed down one for the first generation Surface.
 
2012-11-06 03:16:48 PM

StoneColdAtheist: Surface Pro will run full versions of those programs, not just the dumbed down one for the first generation Surface.


Yet ultrabooks already do that and have real keyboards and pointing devices to boot.
 
2012-11-06 03:35:20 PM

BullBearMS: StoneColdAtheist: Surface Pro will run full versions of those programs, not just the dumbed down one for the first generation Surface.

Yet ultrabooks already do that and have real keyboards and pointing devices to boot.


Point taken, but they also cost twice as much; are ~50% larger and weigh 6 times as much.

Will be buying something this fall/winter, so will keep my options open.
 
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