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2012-11-06 05:28:25 AM
I always thought a great sequel could be made about the opening up of the North Korean underground cities.
 
2012-11-06 08:18:42 AM
You connected-know all this is just Otherizing non white people as zombies.
 
2012-11-06 08:25:09 AM
Everybody involved in the decision to turn this book into a single "blockbuster" movie rather than a quality mini-series in the style of Band of Brothers should be beaten soundly about the head and shoulders with bamboo canes until they promise to never, ever, ever do anything so stupid again.
 
2012-11-06 08:50:50 AM
Book: A real science-based account of how the world would react to a plague.
Movie: ZOMG Zombies! Brad Pitt will save us! Thank Jesus Brad Pitt!
 
2012-11-06 09:23:33 AM
The "Starship Troopers" of zombie movies.
 
2012-11-06 09:24:08 AM

WTF Indeed: Book: A real science-based account of how the world would react to a plague.


Damn man, making me grab popcorn this early in the morning.

If there's one thing in zombie media that Farkers argue over, it's the realism of World War Z.

Personally, I loved the book (my girlfriend is reading it right now) and have absolutely no desire to see this movie. Pocket Ninja said everything I wanted to. It could've been one of the best miniseries out there, but instead they shat the bed and made it into a movie.
 
2012-11-06 09:24:08 AM
Indeed, but how about Yonkers in the movie?
 
2012-11-06 09:25:07 AM

give me doughnuts: The "Starship Troopers" of zombie movies.


Sold!
 
2012-11-06 09:25:21 AM

give me doughnuts: The "Starship Troopers" of zombie movies.


You say that like it is a bad thing.
 
2012-11-06 09:27:28 AM
I don't understand why the zombies look like flooding water.......
 
2012-11-06 09:28:40 AM

egomann: give me doughnuts: The "Starship Troopers" of zombie movies.

You say that like it is a bad thing.


Starship Troopers had some of the cheesiest writing I've ever seen, like SyFy Original movie bad. If it didn't have copious amounts of gore and a lot of boobs it would've been absolutely terrible.

"Rico, how do you know she's still alive?"
"I don't know how I know, but I know."
 
2012-11-06 09:29:42 AM
I paused my music for that piece of shiat?
 
2012-11-06 09:31:24 AM
Well, that looks like a sack of CGI shiat.

I don't blame Max Brooks for cashing in on his hard work, but putting in some script approval before selling might have been beneficial. This is a just a Brad Pitt vehicle with WWZ as a title.
 
2012-11-06 09:32:10 AM
Are... are those zombies... running????

*TEARS HAIR OUT OF HEAR*

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2012-11-06 09:33:27 AM
god damn stupid, the whole terror aspect from the book was that they just kept coming...this just looks stupid.
 
2012-11-06 09:34:56 AM
As sadened as I am at what they are doing to this book.... I will see this movie. And then I will probably go and see WWZ2 Hero of the Federation, and WWZ3 Maurader.
 
2012-11-06 09:35:25 AM
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2012-11-06 09:35:45 AM
FTA: The story revolves around United Nations employee Gerry Lane (Pitt), who traverses the world in a race against time to stop the Zombie pandemic that is toppling armies and governments and threatening to decimate humanity itself. Enos plays Gerry's wife Karen Lane; Kertesz is his comrade in arms, Segen.

Know how I know they didn't even read the damn book? I mean, there was a whole passage about the true meaning of "decimate" in the book, right around the part about the Russian army (not the gas part).
 
2012-11-06 09:36:36 AM

WTF Indeed: Book: A real science-based account of how the world would react to a plague.
Movie: ZOMG Zombies! Brad Pitt will save us! Thank Jesus Brad Pitt!


It's not science based. It's realistic bent of speculative fiction. It's no more factual than National Treasure is a historic accuracy.

So ready for the zombies everywhere thing to be done. It was fun and cool for a little while but it's just so insanely over saturating everything now.
 
2012-11-06 09:40:44 AM

kroonermanblack: WTF Indeed: Book: A real science-based account of how the world would react to a plague.
Movie: ZOMG Zombies! Brad Pitt will save us! Thank Jesus Brad Pitt!

It's not science based. It's realistic bent of speculative fiction. It's no more factual than National Treasure is a historic accuracy.

So ready for the zombies everywhere thing to be done. It was fun and cool for a little while but it's just so insanely over saturating everything now.


I bet ghosts are next. Mummies can have their turn in a couple more years.
 
2012-11-06 09:41:34 AM

Pocket Ninja: Everybody involved in the decision to turn this book into a single "blockbuster" movie rather than a quality mini-series in the style of Band of Brothers should be beaten soundly about the head and shoulders with bamboo canes until they promise to never, ever, ever do anything so stupid again.


yeegrek: FTA: The story revolves around United Nations employee Gerry Lane (Pitt), who traverses the world in a race against time to stop the Zombie pandemic that is toppling armies and governments and threatening to decimate humanity itself. Enos plays Gerry's wife Karen Lane; Kertesz is his comrade in arms, Segen.

Know how I know they didn't even read the damn book? I mean, there was a whole passage about the true meaning of "decimate" in the book, right around the part about the Russian army (not the gas part).


These. =\ I normally don't read fiction, but was sucked in by the humorous prospect and loved it. This movie is going to blow. =\
 
2012-11-06 09:42:56 AM

yeegrek: Well, that looks like a sack of CGI shiat.

I don't blame Max Brooks for cashing in on his hard work, but putting in some script approval before selling might have been beneficial. This is a just a Brad Pitt vehicle with WWZ as a title.


yawp.

we have Walking Dead for this sort of fun. or those stupid mila jovovich movies.

what was so neat about WWZ was how they explored so many aspects of what a zombie apocalypse would do to all levels of society: economic, manufacturing, social structures, raising kids afterwards, etc etc, and how different nations responded differently to it.

making some Jack Ryan James Bond meets Will Smith in World War I am iRobot-Legend wont even scratch the surface.
 
2012-11-06 09:43:48 AM
TIL the author of World War Z is Mel Brooks' son.
 
2012-11-06 09:44:51 AM
great, a CGI zombie snowball
 
2012-11-06 09:47:12 AM

kroonermanblack: WTF Indeed: Book: A real science-based account of how the world would react to a plague.
Movie: ZOMG Zombies! Brad Pitt will save us! Thank Jesus Brad Pitt!

It's not science based. It's realistic bent of speculative fiction. It's no more factual than National Treasure is a historic accuracy.

So ready for the zombies everywhere thing to be done. It was fun and cool for a little while but it's just so insanely over saturating everything now.


So you are saying...the zombies just keep coming...relentlessly...despite your best efforts and throwing everything you have at it, they just. keep. coming. I feel like there must be some sort of outlet, some method to describe that feeling of helplessness in the face of daunting odds and an unstoppable hungry horde. It is like all these zombie movies/books/shows/commercials/blogs/websites are some sort of semi-alive/semi-dead amalgamation of the essence of our humanity.
 
2012-11-06 09:48:53 AM
It's about time someone made a zombie movie!
 
2012-11-06 09:50:41 AM

Already Disturbed: great, a CGI zombie snowball


yeah wtf was that.
 
2012-11-06 09:52:01 AM

born_yesterday: It's about time someone made a zombie movie!


OR a television series. You know. And it should have a really annoying kid. And a wife who screwed around and you'd wish she'd shut the hell up. Yeah and a redneck. That'd be cool. And maybe AMC should...what...oh never mind.
 
2012-11-06 09:53:47 AM
Just re-listened to it in honor of Halloween. So many sads given for the fact that there won't be a Todd Wainio story, or pilot Eliopolis story.

So yeah. Fast Zombies and Brad Pitt. woohoo.
 
2012-11-06 09:56:19 AM
First look at look at footage from World War Z. Yonkers never had a chance

With a name like "Yonkers", it had to be screwed.
 
2012-11-06 09:57:06 AM

Pocket Ninja: Everybody involved in the decision to turn this book into a single "blockbuster" movie rather than a quality mini-series in the style of Band of Brothers should be beaten soundly about the head and shoulders with bamboo canes until they promise to never, ever, ever do anything so stupid again.



Yeah, it could have been done so brilliantly in the exact way the book was written.  I'm disappointed.
 
2012-11-06 09:58:59 AM

indarwinsshadow: born_yesterday: It's about time someone made a zombie movie!

OR a television series. You know. And it should have a really annoying kid. And a wife who screwed around and you'd wish she'd shut the hell up. Yeah and a redneck. That'd be cool. And maybe AMC should...what...oh never mind.


When are they going to start offering zombie based video games? I want to both a FPS where I have to survive a zombie apocolypse against other gamers and griefers, and I want a very dramtic narative adventure game.
 
2012-11-06 10:09:28 AM
I wasnt impressed. Looks like they are over using CGI which will ruin this kind of movie. Also the zombies looks a bit too agile.
 
2012-11-06 10:09:39 AM

KellyX: Are... are those zombies... running????

*TEARS HAIR OUT OF HEAR*

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Yeah....I had the same reaction.

I've always preferred the idea of slow zombies ( eg. Walking Dead, Romero)
 
2012-11-06 10:11:19 AM
Oh well, at least we'll be getting the unabridged audiobook before this travesty is released.

/yes, I'm still going to see it.
 
2012-11-06 10:33:05 AM
Looks like the zombies move like cheetahs and for a giant zombie blob. Looks meh ill make the roomie redbox it.
 
2012-11-06 10:35:57 AM
Being someone who grew up in Yonkers I was impressed how accurate Max was in the book. Recently a lot of movies and tv shows have been filming in Yonkers (boardwalk empire, pan am, the sitter I know of off hand) so I had hopes the Movie would take advantage of this and be just as accurate. Sadly it doesn't.
 
2012-11-06 10:38:36 AM

Saiga410: indarwinsshadow: born_yesterday: It's about time someone made a zombie movie!

OR a television series. You know. And it should have a really annoying kid. And a wife who screwed around and you'd wish she'd shut the hell up. Yeah and a redneck. That'd be cool. And maybe AMC should...what...oh never mind.

When are they going to start offering zombie based video games? I want to both a FPS where I have to survive a zombie apocolypse against other gamers and griefers, and I want a very dramtic narative adventure game.


Now hold on a minute. I'm still waiting on a collection of minigames on the Wii that will have me pointlessly waggling the remote while something vaguely like it happens onscreen. And a game for the PC that has me swapping around jewels on a grid, or finding hidden objects in a scene. Then you can have your zombie game.
 
2012-11-06 10:40:24 AM

KellyX: Are... are those zombies... running????

*TEARS HAIR OUT OF HEAD*



I know. I thought the same thing. They didn't have to make them run. If they read the book, making the zombies run means they took a significant concept in the book and tossed it out the window. The detailed descriptions of zombie behavior was a serious aspect of the book and one of the things that made it very interesting. It looks like they simply decided to make some cool moments and CGI and not include the cool moments and situations in the book. So basically, we're getting WWZ in name only. Nice.
 
2012-11-06 10:42:29 AM
While I believe the comic books are completely irrelevant to The Walking Dead series I agree with the disappointment that this film has strayed too far from the book.

My only hope is they put effort into making the final battles as "realistic" as possible. Meaning portraying them as quite, calm and relaxed. Say the same tone as the landing of the Mothership scene in Close Encounters.
 
2012-11-06 10:43:41 AM
Fast zombies and the UN "observer" being a hero? I'll pass. I'm not supporting that shiat with my dollars.
 
Poe
2012-11-06 10:48:49 AM
Damn, I knew it wasn't going to be a proper version of the book, but I wasn't prepared for this. I have said this before, but were I the Supreme Ruler of Earth, I would have had the filmmakers sit down and watch The Man From Earth. It's basically one guy telling a story to a small group of other people, and takes place almost entirely in a single room, but it's such a compelling story and it's told so well that you don't farking notice that they never showed you any of the stuff he talks about, you just see it in your minds eye. After the credits roll, I point to the screen and say "See that? Make it like that, but with zombies. The book is your storyboard, it gives you set descriptions and everything, so use it." It could either be done with interviews going to flashbacks with voiceovers from the interviewees, or they could do it hardcore mode and do straight interviews, and you never see a zombie in the film that isn't mostly frozen in ice (the Jesika Hendricks segment).
 
2012-11-06 10:50:40 AM

Gordon Bennett: Saiga410: indarwinsshadow: born_yesterday: It's about time someone made a zombie movie!

OR a television series. You know. And it should have a really annoying kid. And a wife who screwed around and you'd wish she'd shut the hell up. Yeah and a redneck. That'd be cool. And maybe AMC should...what...oh never mind.

When are they going to start offering zombie based video games? I want to both a FPS where I have to survive a zombie apocolypse against other gamers and griefers, and I want a very dramtic narative adventure game.

Now hold on a minute. I'm still waiting on a collection of minigames on the Wii that will have me pointlessly waggling the remote while something vaguely like it happens onscreen. And a game for the PC that has me swapping around jewels on a grid, or finding hidden objects in a scene. Then you can have your zombie game.


Not so fast there. I'm still waiting for games that utilize expensive hardware and encourage me to pointlessly yell at my TV for things that I can do with my controller. Only when I obtain that should you be entitled to those brilliant ideas.
 
2012-11-06 10:53:29 AM

Already Disturbed: great, a CGI zombie snowball


http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6217/tumblrmabbqc3nxp1ryd482.jpg
 
2012-11-06 10:54:28 AM
After this, can we officially expire the Zombies shiat? Holy fark, it's officially played the fark out.
 
2012-11-06 10:54:35 AM

Angry Buddha: Already Disturbed: great, a CGI zombie snowball

This time with competence...

img694.imageshack.us

 
2012-11-06 10:55:06 AM
That wasn't a movie trailer that was a commercial for farking Entertainment Tonight.
 
2012-11-06 11:03:51 AM
Well I don't know about YOU guys, but I'm judging the ENTIRE movie based on a 30 second trailer!
I'm so done!

"You ever see a movie and someone...somebodies always gotta ruin it. You know the book was better than the movie. Oh, shut up, nerd! There's a reason movies were invented, because books suck. Nobody likes to read. Like I'm gonna go read something I can watch in 2 hours and get done. Oh, ya, let me go find a book and sit under a tree and get lost in a World of make believe and become gay, ya let me do that instead.'
- John Caparulo
 
2012-11-06 11:03:53 AM
Loved the book, and I'll actually go see this theaters, so there!
 
2012-11-06 11:10:33 AM

InmanRoshi: After this, can we officially expire the Zombies shiat? Holy fark, it's officially played the fark out.


Disagree. I certainly don't consume all the zombie product. In fact I miss most of it. But there's no reason why zombies need ever go away. I mean we aren't gonna be done with ghosts or witches or vampires or aliens or werewolves or sherlock holmes or police procedurals anytime soon are we? Most of it will be shiat but occasionally not. The tableau is really unimportant at the end of the day.
 
2012-11-06 11:15:25 AM
CGI in those pics look worse than the gameplay of black ops.

/use real practical effects- less cgi. Somehow is always noticeable in a movie like this. Case in point any recent laughable Romero zombie flick.

This movie will make a mockery of the book. Ugh.
 
2012-11-06 11:18:40 AM

Zombie DJ: Well I don't know about YOU guys, but I'm judging the ENTIRE movie based on a 30 second trailer!
I'm so done!


I'm just setting my bar really farking low. Articles on Fark mentioined that Lindelof was brought on to finish the script, and that Pitt wouldn't even speak with the director because he had no clue what he was doing. As a movie lover, this will lead to a disappointing 2 hrs or whatever. As a lover of the Audio book, it's a falsified labeled shell. Both sides have reasons to speak dejectedly.

Plus the article had video saying the real trailer will be out thursday. Its a trailer for a trailer. I'm offended on a third front as a Farker.

Finally, fast zombie oblig:
www.screencuisine.net
 
2012-11-06 11:22:00 AM
What the hell does that preview for that movie have to do with World War Z the book? I knew it was going to be bad, I knew it was going to be nothing like the book. But god damn thats bad. DiCaprio and Pitt were battling it out for the soul of this book that brooks whored out to the highest bidder. If I knew it was going to be farked up this bad I woulda thrown a few bucks DiCaprio's way just to help out.

None of my money, you get none now. This is supposed to be a documentary/history piece, not a farking brad pitt ego trip.
 
2012-11-06 11:26:14 AM
That looked terrible.
 
2012-11-06 11:28:12 AM
It looks like a CGI shiat-fest. Given all of the production problems, the director and producers being not sure if the zombies would shuffle or run a week before filming, months of re-shoots, and Brad Pitt eventually being so fed-up he refused to speak with the director, this will probably bomb.
 
2012-11-06 11:32:21 AM
Zombies have to move slow and lethargic?
-Y'all are idiots.

Should be a mini-series?
-Idiots as well.


Looking forward to a WWZ/L4D-type movie myself.
 
2012-11-06 11:33:48 AM

fastfxr: Looking forward to a WWZ/L4D-type movie myself.


Did you even read the book?
 
2012-11-06 11:37:00 AM
So basically, it's the battle of the Hornburg with "undead" instead of Orcs?
 
2012-11-06 11:42:04 AM

InmanRoshi: After this, can we officially expire the Zombies shiat? Holy fark, it's officially played the fark out.


I don't agree.
Zombies aren't the main character of movies.
Vampires are. Werewolves are. But zombies are the thing that moves the plot for OTHER characters.
Like disaster movies. Floods, earthquakes, zombies.....
 
2012-11-06 11:45:05 AM
Looks like farking garbage. Thanks for farking up another good idea, Hollywood. Motherfarkers.
 
2012-11-06 11:47:53 AM
I was really hoping for a Ken Burns' style mini-series to allow full use of the text and not have to cut anything out - perfect for cable channels. Alas, my hopes were chewed when I saw what was in the box.
 
2012-11-06 11:51:53 AM

fastfxr: Zombies have to move slow and lethargic?
-Y'all are idiots.

Should be a mini-series?
-Idiots as well.


Looking forward to a WWZ/L4D-type movie myself.


You clearly haven't read the books, or even heard about them in passing. You're an idiot, please don't speak on subjects you are obviously ignorant on. Also, eat shiat and die.
 
2012-11-06 11:52:46 AM
"We need zombies, lots of them, but I don't want to pay a bunch of real people. Get me those CGI guys."

"Which ones?"

"Who is available....and cheap?"

"The guys that did the 'I Am Legend' monsters."

"Perfect!"
 
2012-11-06 12:05:03 PM

KellyX: Are... are those zombies... running????

*TEARS HAIR OUT OF HEAR*

[download.ultradownloads.com.br image 850x680]


They're not just running, it looks like they used a ton of cgi to make the zombie horde flow like water. So dumb.
 
2012-11-06 12:09:05 PM

Zombie DJ: InmanRoshi: After this, can we officially expire the Zombies shiat? Holy fark, it's officially played the fark out.

I don't agree.
Zombies aren't the main character of movies.
Vampires are. Werewolves are. But zombies are the thing that moves the plot for OTHER characters.
Like disaster movies. Floods, earthquakes, zombies.....


If there were a feature television serial show about earthquakes, and entire genres of fictional literature (term used loosely) about earthquakes, and movie after movie about earthquakes, and every other person and their dog dressed up and went to an "Earthquake Ball" for Halloween, and if every internet hack said "Hey, _____ is cool, but you know what would make it cooler? Add earthquakes, amirite?" Yes, earthquakes would be played the fark out.
 
2012-11-06 12:10:37 PM
Ugh.

Goddammitsomuch
 
2012-11-06 12:13:09 PM

Generation_D: You connected-know all this is just Otherizing non white people as zombies.


Darmok, when the walls fell.
 
2012-11-06 12:13:44 PM
I've waited so long for this damn movie that I'm no longer excited about it.

You dropped the ball, Hollywood.
 
2012-11-06 12:15:20 PM
OMG, it looks like such a stinking pile of shiat! No way I'm going to pay for ticket to see that.
 
2012-11-06 12:17:05 PM
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Yonkers! Yonkers! Yonkers!
 
2012-11-06 12:18:07 PM
Wow that looked crappy. it looks like friggin katamari damaci with zombies. how hard is it to do a zombie movie without CGI? its just makeup. You would think the cost of a couple hundred extras with makeup would be lower than the ridiculous amount of CGI that is used there. what a shame.
 
2012-11-06 12:18:57 PM
I am sick and tired of goddamn zombies. However, due to Farkers talking about it so much, I read World War Z this past summer. Good, if not great. Made for some nice junk food, and was fun. As many have noted previously and in this thread, it would have made for an interesting miniseries, where each episode is a new chapter, an exploration of some other aspect of the war. So much to work with in that format. Trying to make a 2 hour movie from the book is a fool's errand, and the filmmakers obviously didn't try. They just took one theme from the book, bent it beyond all recognition, and came away with something that shouldn't even be allowed to call itself what it does.

Goddamn, I'm sick of zombies.
 
2012-11-06 12:20:38 PM

give me doughnuts: The "Starship Troopers" of zombie movies.


You mean co-ed shower scenes? SOLD!
 
2012-11-06 12:39:59 PM

mooseyfate: fastfxr: Zombies have to move slow and lethargic?
-Y'all are idiots.

Should be a mini-series?
-Idiots as well.


Looking forward to a WWZ/L4D-type movie myself.

You clearly haven't read the books, or even heard about them in passing. You're an idiot, please don't speak on subjects you are obviously ignorant on. Also, eat shiat and die.


Umm yeah, I did. It was mildly entertaining, but I don't think each chapter requires its own series.
That's just the TV-watching couch-addict in you talking, I assume.


My comment on it was that slow zombies are boring...but I guess reading comprehension fails you.
 
2012-11-06 12:48:48 PM

Richard_The_Clown: Generation_D: You connected-know all this is just Otherizing non white people as zombies.

Darmok Shaka, when the walls fell.


FTFY
 
2012-11-06 12:49:59 PM
Fast zombies vs slow zombies..... can't we get a moderate speed zombie. Maybe one that walks at a brisk leasurely pace, like when you are late for an appointment but you do not want to bowl over a group of small kids in your way (as much as you would want to... social decorum bedamned.) Or maybe zombies that walk like speedwalkers at the mall at 7am.... it could be explained by some type of contamination at a supository factory... Oh well just spitballing here but why only shamble or able to do a 4 min mile for ever and ever..
 
2012-11-06 01:00:42 PM

fastfxr: mooseyfate: fastfxr: Zombies have to move slow and lethargic?
-Y'all are idiots.

Should be a mini-series?
-Idiots as well.


Looking forward to a WWZ/L4D-type movie myself.

You clearly haven't read the books, or even heard about them in passing. You're an idiot, please don't speak on subjects you are obviously ignorant on. Also, eat shiat and die.

Umm yeah, I did. It was mildly entertaining, but I don't think each chapter requires its own series.
That's just the TV-watching couch-addict in you talking, I assume.


My comment on it was that slow zombies are boring...but I guess reading comprehension fails you.


And yet rather than just shut up about something you have no idea about, you try your "politics thread" best to shift attention away from the fact that you're obviously wrong. If you actually HAD read the books, you'd know that Brooks goes out of his way in chapter 1 of the ZSHB to describe that voodoo zombies and "runners" simply do not exist in his zombie world.

As for the mini-series, I never stated that it should be, but as evidenced by all the production stills and trailer screenshots, they utterly failed to capture any part of the book in the film, so clearly it WOULD have been better off as a mini-series, and it has nothing to do with this laziness you've assumed about me. It has everything to do with how the book was written, but since you clearly haven't read it, you'd have no idea what I'm talking about. Go ahead. Run to Wikipedia and read the plot synopsis so you can hurry back and impress no one with how you "totally read it" because Scott Wanio and LMOE! And then to make your blinding ignorance worse, you put WWZ and L4D into the same "type" because, well, there's zombies in both of them, so clearly they're identical!

/what a farking mook
 
2012-11-06 01:03:29 PM

InmanRoshi: Zombie DJ: InmanRoshi: After this, can we officially expire the Zombies shiat? Holy fark, it's officially played the fark out.

I don't agree.
Zombies aren't the main character of movies.
Vampires are. Werewolves are. But zombies are the thing that moves the plot for OTHER characters.
Like disaster movies. Floods, earthquakes, zombies.....

If there were a feature television serial show about earthquakes, and entire genres of fictional literature (term used loosely) about earthquakes, and movie after movie about earthquakes, and every other person and their dog dressed up and went to an "Earthquake Ball" for Halloween, and if every internet hack said "Hey, _____ is cool, but you know what would make it cooler? Add earthquakes, amirite?" Yes, earthquakes would be played the fark out.


You should......get away from media for a while and let the rest of us enjoy our earthquakes then.
 
2012-11-06 01:04:05 PM
I've been calling this thing "Starship Zombies" for awhile now. But I had no idea how close I was to the truth.

At least I get to hear the lamentations of the gun porn guys when they show the Battle of Yonkers.
 
2012-11-06 01:06:16 PM

auralpleasure: Wow that looked crappy. it looks like friggin katamari damaci with zombies. how hard is it to do a zombie movie without CGI? its just makeup. You would think the cost of a couple hundred extras with makeup would be lower than the ridiculous amount of CGI that is used there. what a shame.


In fact I'm fairly certain the reason zombies were used in low rent movies is that all you need to do is smear on a little dirt, maybe some fake blood, and tear the clothes a little bit, then have the person shamble and grunt. I can't imagine a cheaper monster to film, other than an invisible ghost.
 
2012-11-06 01:11:12 PM

Zombie DJ: InmanRoshi: Zombie DJ: InmanRoshi: After this, can we officially expire the Zombies shiat? Holy fark, it's officially played the fark out.

I don't agree.
Zombies aren't the main character of movies.
Vampires are. Werewolves are. But zombies are the thing that moves the plot for OTHER characters.
Like disaster movies. Floods, earthquakes, zombies.....

If there were a feature television serial show about earthquakes, and entire genres of fictional literature (term used loosely) about earthquakes, and movie after movie about earthquakes, and every other person and their dog dressed up and went to an "Earthquake Ball" for Halloween, and if every internet hack said "Hey, _____ is cool, but you know what would make it cooler? Add earthquakes, amirite?" Yes, earthquakes would be played the fark out.

You should......get away from media for a while and let the rest of us enjoy our earthquakes then.


Relax. Take it easy on him. He is a little upset that all of this resurgent interest in the Zombie genre has taken attention from his favorite genre, the Sparkly Vampire genre.
 
2012-11-06 01:13:13 PM

Coelacanth: I've been calling this thing "Starship Zombies" for awhile now. But I had no idea how close I was to the truth.

At least I get to hear the lamentations of the gun porn guys when they show the Battle of Yonkers.


It's like they made a movie based solely on the cover of the book.

"Okay, there's some brown, a big title that says World War Z, and some blood. I'm thinking roiling seas of CGI undead!"

"But sir, the book is really more about the peop--"

"I said "ROILING SEAS OF CGI UNDEAD"!"

"Ugh...yes, sir..."
 
2012-11-06 01:14:43 PM
. . . it's like someone had some water effects and replaced the water with zombies. Do not want.

I remember reading the book and thinking that it would make an awesome series or fake documentary. This? This I do not like.
 
2012-11-06 01:18:44 PM

mooseyfate: Coelacanth: I've been calling this thing "Starship Zombies" for awhile now. But I had no idea how close I was to the truth.

At least I get to hear the lamentations of the gun porn guys when they show the Battle of Yonkers.

It's like they made a movie based solely on the cover of the book.

"Okay, there's some brown, a big title that says World War Z, and some blood. I'm thinking roiling seas of CGI undead!"

"But sir, the book is really more about the peop--"

"I said "ROILING SEAS OF CGI UNDEAD"!"

"Ugh...yes, sir..."


"Did you know that pound for pound, the zombie is the deadliest killer in the undead kingdom?"

"OK, some giant zombies, then, right, sir?"

/hopefully not obscure
 
2012-11-06 01:19:15 PM
Loved the book and I can't think of the last bad Brad Pitt movie I've seen. That equals my ass in a seat. Count me in!
 
2012-11-06 01:20:35 PM

give me doughnuts: The "Starship Troopers" of zombie movies.


Except that "Starship Troopers" was an idiotic book and the movie did a great job of mocking the sh*t out of it.
 
2012-11-06 01:23:38 PM
I like fast zombies. I have been a fan of them ever since i saw them in the remake of dawn of the dead, simply cause they are effin terrifying.

That being said I don't know if i am a fan of giant fluid blob of zombie...
 
2012-11-06 01:27:37 PM

Pochas: I like fast zombies. I have been a fan of them ever since i saw them in the remake of dawn of the dead, simply cause they are effin terrifying.

That being said I don't know if i am a fan of giant fluid blob of zombie...


Me, too. They have their place. DotD remake was awesome in my opinion! So were the 28 Days movies. But their place is NOT in a movie about a book that goes to great lengths to emphasize that the zombie in that setting are the shambling horde variety. It's a giant "fark You!" to Brooks Zombie fans everywhere.
 
2012-11-06 01:32:03 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: give me doughnuts: The "Starship Troopers" of zombie movies.

Except that "Starship Troopers" was an idiotic book and the movie did a great job of mocking the sh*t out of it.


Know how I know you missed the point of both?
 
2012-11-06 01:33:29 PM
Ugh.

That whole "race against time" bit seems to contradict the "ten years after" theme of the book, no? They said they had problems figuring out how to translate the reflective documentary style of the book, and it looks like they didn't.
 
2012-11-06 01:35:18 PM
screw you guys. all i expect out of this movie is a big budget OMFG ZOMBIES movie. I expect Pitt to deliver that. It won't be the book. That is fine. Walking Dead is not the books and it is doing fine (hell the last episode finally for the most part reached the quality of the books). The zombie flow looked cool and is something we haven't quite seen before, and I for one could use a new take. I love WWZ the book, and the audio book is for the most part great (altho some shiat you can write but can't say, some of the dialog in that audiobook should have been re-written to reflect how a person would speak) but the book would for the most part be boring as hell if it was filmed as is.... and do we really need a filmed sequence of a blind japanese man killing zombies? or an interview with a child talking about how her church was over-run? All I ask from this movie is a fantastic Yonkers battle. The rest Pitt can fill in.

The movie will likely be very good, even if not the book.
 
2012-11-06 01:41:51 PM

frepnog: screw you guys. all i expect out of this movie is a big budget OMFG ZOMBIES movie. I expect Pitt to deliver that. It won't be the book. That is fine. Walking Dead is not the books and it is doing fine (hell the last episode finally for the most part reached the quality of the books). The zombie flow looked cool and is something we haven't quite seen before, and I for one could use a new take. I love WWZ the book, and the audio book is for the most part great (altho some shiat you can write but can't say, some of the dialog in that audiobook should have been re-written to reflect how a person would speak) but the book would for the most part be boring as hell if it was filmed as is.... and do we really need a filmed sequence of a blind japanese man killing zombies? or an interview with a child talking about how her church was over-run? All I ask from this movie is a fantastic Yonkers battle. The rest Pitt can fill in.

The movie will likely be very good, even if not the book.


And this is pretty much case-in-point why 99% of zombie themed endeavors suck bloody cock.
 
2012-11-06 01:42:14 PM
Great book, any sci-fi/horro fan should read. I think the movie is going to be awful.
 
2012-11-06 01:42:42 PM
So I don't get my weiner dog zombie hunter squads then? :(
 
2012-11-06 01:42:46 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Except that "Starship Troopers" was an idiotic book and the movie did a great job of mocking the sh*t out of it.



1/10
 
2012-11-06 01:46:22 PM

fastfxr: Zombies have to move slow and lethargic?
-Y'all are idiots.

Should be a mini-series?
-Idiots as well.




The book is written as a mini series. A series of stories, unrelated characters and places. HBO should of snagged it up and just did each story as an hour long program.
 
2012-11-06 01:47:48 PM

ConConHead: So I don't get my weiner dog zombie hunter squads then? :(


Actually that was one of my favorite stories from the book
 
2012-11-06 01:47:55 PM
I don't know what everyone is complaining about. It's going to be awesome. Didn't you see the clip of those thousands of zombies pouring over each other while stuff exploded in the background? Sure the book had character development and insight, but you can't put that on screen. If Avatar and Prometheus have taught me anything it's that CGI makes everything better.
 
2012-11-06 01:48:43 PM
It looks pretty cool to me... I consider the book that last great thing in the genre. Since then, its all been played out. I don't watch Walking Dead.
 
2012-11-06 01:48:50 PM

ConConHead: So I don't get my weiner dog zombie hunter squads then? :(


Make it Corgis, then we'll talk.
 
2012-11-06 01:53:29 PM

mooseyfate: fastfxr: mooseyfate: fastfxr: Zombies have to move slow and lethargic?
-Y'all are idiots.

Should be a mini-series?
-Idiots as well.


Looking forward to a WWZ/L4D-type movie myself.

You clearly haven't read the books, or even heard about them in passing. You're an idiot, please don't speak on subjects you are obviously ignorant on. Also, eat shiat and die.

Umm yeah, I did. It was mildly entertaining, but I don't think each chapter requires its own series.
That's just the TV-watching couch-addict in you talking, I assume.


My comment on it was that slow zombies are boring...but I guess reading comprehension fails you.

And yet rather than just shut up about something you have no idea about, you try your "politics thread" best to shift attention away from the fact that you're obviously wrong. If you actually HAD read the books, you'd know that Brooks goes out of his way in chapter 1 of the ZSHB to describe that voodoo zombies and "runners" simply do not exist in his zombie world.

As for the mini-series, I never stated that it should be, but as evidenced by all the production stills and trailer screenshots, they utterly failed to capture any part of the book in the film, so clearly it WOULD have been better off as a mini-series, and it has nothing to do with this laziness you've assumed about me. It has everything to do with how the book was written, but since you clearly haven't read it, you'd have no idea what I'm talking about. Go ahead. Run to Wikipedia and read the plot synopsis so you can hurry back and impress no one with how you "totally read it" because Scott Wanio and LMOE! And then to make your blinding ignorance worse, you put WWZ and L4D into the same "type" because, well, there's zombies in both of them, so clearly they're identical!

/what a farking mook


I'm half tempted to post up the picture of it as it sits on my bookshelf between some WW2 book and some HST, but don't feel like entertaining the mouth-breather that much.


And Jeezus you're an idiot. "WWZ/L4D" implied a WWZ storyline with L4D speed zombies. Arguing your miniseries concept is a moot point, but it does prove to me you're a couch potato. Sorry, but yes, you'll have to get off your ass and go out in public to see this. Don't worry though--they have handicapped seating for those little electric scooters these days.


/Want fast zombies and none too concerned about the storyline as there was none in WWZ.
 
2012-11-06 01:58:47 PM
Lazy personal attacks, name-dropping of unrelated authors, implication of being an idiot because I believe the movie should at the very least be about the source material, and then to top it off, you say that the book had no plot because L4D. Yup. I'm the m
 
2012-11-06 02:02:17 PM

mooseyfate: Lazy personal attacks, name-dropping of unrelated authors, implication of being an idiot because I believe the movie should at the very least be about the source material, and then to top it off, you say that the book had no plot because L4D. Yup. I'm the m


Mouth-breather in this equation. You are the exact reason most things zombie suck ass. Thanks for doing your part to drive the genre into the ground. And no, I won't be getting off the couch to watch this garbage because I don't just mindlessly throw my money away on things that are obviously garbage. The same couldn't be said for you. Enjoy the shiatty movie, it was made to pander to people like you, anyways. Way to be a target demographic.
 
2012-11-06 02:02:50 PM
Never read the book but I have read a detailed synopsis of the battle of Yonkers bit. I really liked the whole aspect of the military leaders being too overconfident of their superiority against the slow moving zombies. That they funneled them into a main street under the assumption that their big guns could take care of any amount of zombies and that the slow horde just kept plodding forward until ground troops panicked and became overwhelmed.

With the fast moving zombies in the preview, I doubt we will see anything like that and I'm a bit disappointed. I thought it would have made for an awesome viewing experience. The might of the American army unleashing everything they have against an unending slow horde of zombies. I really wanted to see that done in a real gritty style with maybe even POV shots from the ground troops in the dug outs as they are slowly overrun.
 
2012-11-06 02:04:11 PM

mooseyfate: Lazy personal attacks, name-dropping of unrelated authors, implication of being an idiot because I believe the movie should at the very least be about the source material, and then to top it off, you say that the book had no plot because L4D. Yup. I'm the m


I would say that WWZ is a different enough take on zombies that it merits following the source material. Making it a series of vignettes about the world wide phenomenon makes for an interesting story. Why have Resident Evil:The Movie part 6, Zombies take Manhattan and label it WWZ? I need to get Kramer's lawyer to file an injunction against it.
 
2012-11-06 02:07:08 PM

Fano: mooseyfate: Lazy personal attacks, name-dropping of unrelated authors, implication of being an idiot because I believe the movie should at the very least be about the source material, and then to top it off, you say that the book had no plot because L4D. Yup. I'm the m

I would say that WWZ is a different enough take on zombies that it merits following the source material. Making it a series of vignettes about the world wide phenomenon makes for an interesting story. Why have Resident Evil:The Movie part 6, Zombies take Manhattan and label it WWZ? I need to get Kramer's lawyer to file an injunction against it.


Mouthbreather! Couch potato! You go slurp up this pig slop they threw in the dirt infront of you or you WILL NOT be getting pig slop tomorrow, young man!
 
2012-11-06 02:20:34 PM
Either the synopsis of the film is totally inaccurate or else the film has nothing to do with the book. The book was a retrospective telling of the events that occurred during the apocalypse from which humanity is now recovering. The synopsis of the film said it followed a U.N. employee running around the globe trying to STOP the apocalypse.

World War Z it most certainly is NOT.
 
2012-11-06 02:22:51 PM

Coelacanth: I've been calling this thing "Starship Zombies" for awhile now. But I had no idea how close I was to the truth.

At least I get to hear the lamentations of the gun porn guys when they show the Battle of Yonkers.


Spoiler alert: The U.S. military defeats the zombie queen in the climactic finale at Yonkers. All zombies worldwide crumple to the ground as their psychic link has been broken. Brad Pitt kisses his plucky female sidekick. There is a long shot of smoking city ruins, and... roll credits.
 
2012-11-06 02:25:17 PM

mooseyfate: frepnog: screw you guys. all i expect out of this movie is a big budget OMFG ZOMBIES movie. I expect Pitt to deliver that. It won't be the book. That is fine. Walking Dead is not the books and it is doing fine (hell the last episode finally for the most part reached the quality of the books). The zombie flow looked cool and is something we haven't quite seen before, and I for one could use a new take. I love WWZ the book, and the audio book is for the most part great (altho some shiat you can write but can't say, some of the dialog in that audiobook should have been re-written to reflect how a person would speak) but the book would for the most part be boring as hell if it was filmed as is.... and do we really need a filmed sequence of a blind japanese man killing zombies? or an interview with a child talking about how her church was over-run? All I ask from this movie is a fantastic Yonkers battle. The rest Pitt can fill in.

The movie will likely be very good, even if not the book.

And this is pretty much case-in-point why 99% of zombie themed endeavors suck bloody cock.


what? most zombie stuff sucks cock because it is either low budget crap, poorly acted, poorly written garbage, or is just lazy.

the big budget stuff is usually good. Zombieland was great. The Dawn of the Dead remake was necessary and destroys the original (even if the original is beloved and good, it is hard to watch these days). I expect this movie to be frikin AWESOME even if is isn't really the book.
 
2012-11-06 02:28:34 PM

mooseyfate: If you actually HAD read the books, you'd know that Brooks goes out of his way in chapter 1 of the ZSHB to describe that voodoo zombies and "runners" simply do not exist in his zombie world


i never read the book so could you or someone explain what he says about fast and voodoo zombies? im interested.

thanks

i actually prefer the fast moving zombies because they bring extra terror to zombies. i can watch "slow or fast" movers but i like the fast movers. ones that can run fast for days seems a lil extreme. maybe in burst like we do? who knows.
 
2012-11-06 02:32:04 PM

mooseyfate: Fano: mooseyfate: Lazy personal attacks, name-dropping of unrelated authors, implication of being an idiot because I believe the movie should at the very least be about the source material, and then to top it off, you say that the book had no plot because L4D. Yup. I'm the m

I would say that WWZ is a different enough take on zombies that it merits following the source material. Making it a series of vignettes about the world wide phenomenon makes for an interesting story. Why have Resident Evil:The Movie part 6, Zombies take Manhattan and label it WWZ? I need to get Kramer's lawyer to file an injunction against it.

Mouthbreather! Couch potato! You go slurp up this pig slop they threw in the dirt infront of you or you WILL NOT be getting pig slop tomorrow, young man!


Could you at least turn the garden hose on the pig slop so that I can have gravy with it?
 
2012-11-06 02:32:37 PM

Bleyo: Coelacanth: I've been calling this thing "Starship Zombies" for awhile now. But I had no idea how close I was to the truth.

At least I get to hear the lamentations of the gun porn guys when they show the Battle of Yonkers.

Spoiler alert: The U.S. military defeats the zombie queen in the climactic finale at Yonkers. All zombies worldwide crumple to the ground as their psychic link has been broken. Brad Pitt kisses his plucky female sidekick. There is a long shot of smoking city ruins, and... roll credits.


If I had the money, I'd give Atlas Shrugged the same treatment.
 
2012-11-06 02:33:38 PM
So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?
 
2012-11-06 02:37:10 PM

cefm: The synopsis of the film said it followed a U.N. employee running around the globe trying to STOP the apocalypse


If he was going around the world preaching the Rhodiker (I just butchered the heck out of that) Plan it would somewhat hold true to the book, though I doubt Pitt would want play a character that ruthless/heartless.
 
2012-11-06 02:38:40 PM

AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?


would run out of gas before running out of zombies.
 
2012-11-06 02:40:50 PM

AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?


Or just send in a bunch of gunships to mow them down from the air?

That's one of the main reasons zombie movies make me laugh. All it would take is some apaches, blackhawks with miniguns, and a ton of ammo to put an end to the zombie apocalypse. Sweep with the air assets, then send in the ground troops supported by armor to clean up the streets and sweep the buildings.

Quick, simple, easy, effective. Yet it's always the last thing any zombie film/book ever tries.
 
2012-11-06 02:41:19 PM

frepnog: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

would run out of gas before running out of zombies.


Do you KNOW how much America spends on the military? I doubt they would run out of gas. All they need to do is reduce the number of zombies down to a manageable level anyway for the ground troops to come in and clean up the mess. Fast zombies would be hard to pin down I suppose, but slow zombies would be easy pickins.
 
2012-11-06 02:44:00 PM

AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?


Cause those super zombies will all literally run to you, literally all pick you up at once, and literally flip you over!!!!1!1one!1!
 
2012-11-06 02:44:30 PM

Strategeryz0r: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

Or just send in a bunch of gunships to mow them down from the air?

That's one of the main reasons zombie movies make me laugh. All it would take is some apaches, blackhawks with miniguns, and a ton of ammo to put an end to the zombie apocalypse. Sweep with the air assets, then send in the ground troops supported by armor to clean up the streets and sweep the buildings.

Quick, simple, easy, effective. Yet it's always the last thing any zombie film/book ever tries.


To be fair, I can see that plan possibly failing if the zombies happen to be distributed across the whole country as it would be hard to find them all, but for large masses it shouldn't be too bad with an organized military and a bunch of armor. Then again, if we were too realistic we wouldn't get to enjoy zombies, so I'm always willing to forgive as long as its enjoyable.

/Never read WWZ
/zombie movie/tv show fan
 
2012-11-06 02:47:30 PM

AntonChigger: frepnog: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

would run out of gas before running out of zombies.

Do you KNOW how much America spends on the military? I doubt they would run out of gas. All they need to do is reduce the number of zombies down to a manageable level anyway for the ground troops to come in and clean up the mess. Fast zombies would be hard to pin down I suppose, but slow zombies would be easy pickins.


Max Brooks covered why modern technology wouldn't affect things that radically against the undead, short of nuking everything and even then that wouldn't solve it and then you'd have radioactive ones that didn't get evaporated instantly roaming around.
 
2012-11-06 02:49:43 PM

AntonChigger: Strategeryz0r: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

Or just send in a bunch of gunships to mow them down from the air?

That's one of the main reasons zombie movies make me laugh. All it would take is some apaches, blackhawks with miniguns, and a ton of ammo to put an end to the zombie apocalypse. Sweep with the air assets, then send in the ground troops supported by armor to clean up the streets and sweep the buildings.

Quick, simple, easy, effective. Yet it's always the last thing any zombie film/book ever tries.

To be fair, I can see that plan possibly failing if the zombies happen to be distributed across the whole country as it would be hard to find them all, but for large masses it shouldn't be too bad with an organized military and a bunch of armor. Then again, if we were too realistic we wouldn't get to enjoy zombies, so I'm always willing to forgive as long as its enjoyable.

/Never read WWZ
/zombie movie/tv show fan


Oh yeah, it's not a bulletproof plan. But it's certainly an advantage the zombies can't counter, and watching as the leaders of the world fail to utilize this advantage in every single zombie film/book is always a facepalm moment to me. But whatever, I love zombie shiat. So I'll flip the logical part of my brain off and enjoy it for what it is.
 
2012-11-06 02:53:25 PM

KellyX: AntonChigger: frepnog: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

would run out of gas before running out of zombies.

Do you KNOW how much America spends on the military? I doubt they would run out of gas. All they need to do is reduce the number of zombies down to a manageable level anyway for the ground troops to come in and clean up the mess. Fast zombies would be hard to pin down I suppose, but slow zombies would be easy pickins.

Max Brooks covered why modern technology wouldn't affect things that radically against the undead, short of nuking everything and even then that wouldn't solve it and then you'd have radioactive ones that didn't get evaporated instantly roaming around.


Um, my argument has nothing to do with modern tech and more to do with simple fact that a multi ton tank, armored vehicle, humvee, etc will flatten a zombie into a squishy paste no matter what universe you're in. I should say that I've flipped through the wiki, and if I recall correctly, Brooks still follows the classic destroy the brain rule, so any zombies remaining would be easier to target and shoot, especially if they are maimed by the vehicles, which would make them slower.
 
2012-11-06 02:54:37 PM

Fano: So basically, it's the battle of the Hornburg with "undead" instead of Orcs?


I was originally derived from the Zulu attack on the British. Not sure wtf this is supposed to be.
 
2012-11-06 02:58:10 PM

Strategeryz0r: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

Or just send in a bunch of gunships to mow them down from the air?

That's one of the main reasons zombie movies make me laugh. All it would take is some apaches, blackhawks with miniguns, and a ton of ammo to put an end to the zombie apocalypse. Sweep with the air assets, then send in the ground troops supported by armor to clean up the streets and sweep the buildings.

Quick, simple, easy, effective. Yet it's always the last thing any zombie film/book ever tries.


It will spoiler the book for you (and possibly the movie a little bit depending on what they have taken from the book) but if you are curious why that doesn't work, read a synopsis of the battle of Yonkers from WWZ. They try and bottleneck most of the zombies located in that particular area of NY and then use gunships and tanks.

The long and short of it is *SPOILER ALERT!!*


Many zombies are not killed but simply dismembered, some even cut in half. But the brain remains intact so the zombies then just become crawlers, which are still dangerous to any ground infantry as they are then low to the ground and harder to see approaching if there is lots of debris. And with their being several million zombies in the Yonkers area alone, the gunships and tanks expend their main and secondary weapons quite quickly before they can make any significant impact. The ground infantry are then left with an approaching mass of many hundreds of thousands of remaining zombies, many of which haven't even been touched by the artillery.

It actually feels really realistic in terms of how a military superpower might underestimate how dangerous a load of slow moving zombies could be and how the situation could quickly turn.
 
2012-11-06 02:58:58 PM

chuklz: Fano: So basically, it's the battle of the Hornburg with "undead" instead of Orcs?

I was originally derived from the Zulu attack on the British. Not sure wtf this is supposed to be.


The sound of one hand clapping: Never read the book but I have read a detailed synopsis of the battle of Yonkers bit. I really liked the whole aspect of the military leaders being too overconfident of their superiority against the slow moving zombies. That they funneled them into a main street under the assumption that their big guns could take care of any amount of zombies and that the slow horde just kept plodding forward until ground troops panicked and became overwhelmed.

With the fast moving zombies in the preview, I doubt we will see anything like that and I'm a bit disappointed. I thought it would have made for an awesome viewing experience. The might of the American army unleashing everything they have against an unending slow horde of zombies. I really wanted to see that done in a real gritty style with maybe even POV shots from the ground troops in the dug outs as they are slowly overrun.


Apparently watching a poor tactical plan unravel in slow motion is just not exciting enough. I like the idea of it being like Zulu at Isandhlwana. Watching the military slowly run out of bullets, with mass chaos as the line breaks and men resorting to side arm, bayonet and hand to hand during a broken retreat against a limitless, implacable horde... that would be tense stuff.
 
2012-11-06 02:59:35 PM

AntonChigger: KellyX: AntonChigger: frepnog: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

would run out of gas before running out of zombies.

Do you KNOW how much America spends on the military? I doubt they would run out of gas. All they need to do is reduce the number of zombies down to a manageable level anyway for the ground troops to come in and clean up the mess. Fast zombies would be hard to pin down I suppose, but slow zombies would be easy pickins.

Max Brooks covered why modern technology wouldn't affect things that radically against the undead, short of nuking everything and even then that wouldn't solve it and then you'd have radioactive ones that didn't get evaporated instantly roaming around.

Um, my argument has nothing to do with modern tech and more to do with simple fact that a multi ton tank, armored vehicle, humvee, etc will flatten a zombie into a squishy paste no matter what universe you're in. I should say that I've flipped through the wiki, and if I recall correctly, Brooks still follows the classic destroy the brain rule, so any zombies remaining would be easier to target and shoot, especially if they are maimed by the vehicles, which would make them slower.


I think the issue is there's chaos at the start and a lot of denial, but.. i think the biggie is that they basically swarm into huge herds of people and even if you try to drive your tank or car into a group of thousands, you're going to stop and be stuck.
 
2012-11-06 03:00:39 PM

Strategeryz0r: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

Or just send in a bunch of gunships to mow them down from the air?

That's one of the main reasons zombie movies make me laugh. All it would take is some apaches, blackhawks with miniguns, and a ton of ammo to put an end to the zombie apocalypse. Sweep with the air assets, then send in the ground troops supported by armor to clean up the streets and sweep the buildings.

Quick, simple, easy, effective. Yet it's always the last thing any zombie film/book ever tries.


The thing I always figured about Zombie movies is that they are set in a world where knowledge of Zombies doesn't exists. Everything that is happening to them is unknown and everybody is learning what is going on on the run. So therefore the idea of mowing them all down with machine guns wouldn't be the first thing government would think of. They would handle it like a riot situation at first trying to contain it not realizing what is going on. They will try to set up a line and hold that line. However the injured and bitten would be transferred to medical units behind the line and when they turn to Zombies the line is instantly broken and even more chaos would ensue as soldiers start deserting, police and medical people start running, just a complete breakdown. By the time it is figured out what is going on everything would be so disjointed that mowing them all down with machine guns wouldn't really be an option.

In just about every Zombie movie, even though it is never shown, it is always implied that this is what happened to the military, and now there is no central military as they all took off.
 
2012-11-06 03:00:58 PM

KellyX: AntonChigger: KellyX: AntonChigger: frepnog: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

would run out of gas before running out of zombies.

Do you KNOW how much America spends on the military? I doubt they would run out of gas. All they need to do is reduce the number of zombies down to a manageable level anyway for the ground troops to come in and clean up the mess. Fast zombies would be hard to pin down I suppose, but slow zombies would be easy pickins.

Max Brooks covered why modern technology wouldn't affect things that radically against the undead, short of nuking everything and even then that wouldn't solve it and then you'd have radioactive ones that didn't get evaporated instantly roaming around.

Um, my argument has nothing to do with modern tech and more to do with simple fact that a multi ton tank, armored vehicle, humvee, etc will flatten a zombie into a squishy paste no matter what universe you're in. I should say that I've flipped through the wiki, and if I recall correctly, Brooks still follows the classic destroy the brain rule, so any zombies remaining would be easier to target and shoot, especially if they are maimed by the vehicles, which would make them slower.

I think the issue is there's chaos at the start and a lot of denial, but.. i think the biggie is that they basically swarm into huge herds of people and even if you try to drive your tank or car into a group of thousands, you're going to stop and be stuck.


Recent filmed example: The van in Argo trying to get through the mobs. A tank would have trouble pushing through a mob that didn't care about living.
 
2012-11-06 03:01:27 PM
I did enjoy the book and I even got the audibook so I could listen to it on a road trip. I was upset about some of the things they cut out like North Korea. But it was cool that they had so many people narrate it. The Henry Rollins merc to the celebritys was great. That probably wont be in the movie.
 
2012-11-06 03:02:59 PM

KellyX: AntonChigger: KellyX: AntonChigger: frepnog: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

would run out of gas before running out of zombies.

Do you KNOW how much America spends on the military? I doubt they would run out of gas. All they need to do is reduce the number of zombies down to a manageable level anyway for the ground troops to come in and clean up the mess. Fast zombies would be hard to pin down I suppose, but slow zombies would be easy pickins.

Max Brooks covered why modern technology wouldn't affect things that radically against the undead, short of nuking everything and even then that wouldn't solve it and then you'd have radioactive ones that didn't get evaporated instantly roaming around.

Um, my argument has nothing to do with modern tech and more to do with simple fact that a multi ton tank, armored vehicle, humvee, etc will flatten a zombie into a squishy paste no matter what universe you're in. I should say that I've flipped through the wiki, and if I recall correctly, Brooks still follows the classic destroy the brain rule, so any zombies remaining would be easier to target and shoot, especially if they are maimed by the vehicles, which would make them slower.

I think the issue is there's chaos at the start and a lot of denial, but.. i think the biggie is that they basically swarm into huge herds of people and even if you try to drive your tank or car into a group of thousands, you're going to stop and be stuck.


Sounds like its mythbusters time. Lets round up several hundred or even thousand people we don't like, and see if they can stop an M1 Abrams at top speed (35 mph) from moving with their bare hands!
 
2012-11-06 03:05:09 PM

Freakin Rican: mooseyfate: If you actually HAD read the books, you'd know that Brooks goes out of his way in chapter 1 of the ZSHB to describe that voodoo zombies and "runners" simply do not exist in his zombie world

i never read the book so could you or someone explain what he says about fast and voodoo zombies? im interested.

thanks

i actually prefer the fast moving zombies because they bring extra terror to zombies. i can watch "slow or fast" movers but i like the fast movers. ones that can run fast for days seems a lil extreme. maybe in burst like we do? who knows.


The first chapter is basically just Max saying in so many words: "I know that Hollywood has portrayed zombies as runners, voodoo, and supernaturally powered; but here's how zombies work in the universe my books take place in.". He then spends the next few pages describing how real zombies (read: Brooks Zombies) are reanimated through a virus called Solonum, and how they CAN'T act like sprinter's and voodoo zombies because the virus just doesn't allow the reanimated to move in such a fashion. They also aren't capable of any form of intelligence or reasoning. So no hand tools, door knobs are beyond their abilities to operate, hell, even ladders and stairs are nearly impossible for them to navigate. Anyways, if you haven't read it yet, go snag a copy. It's an insanely fun read.
 
2012-11-06 03:05:42 PM

The sound of one hand clapping: The long and short of it is *SPOILER ALERT!!*


Many zombies are not killed but simply dismembered, some even cut in half. But the brain remains intact so the zombies then just become crawlers, which are still dangerous to any ground infantry as they are then low to the ground and harder to see approaching if there is lots of debris. And with their being several million zombies in the Yonkers area alone, the gunships and tanks expend their main and secondary weapons quite quickly before they can make any significant impact. The ground infantry are then left with an approaching mass of many hundreds of thousands of remaining zombies, many of which haven't even been touched by the artillery.

It actually feels really realistic in terms of how a military superpower might underestimate how dangerous a load of slow moving zombies could be and how the situation could quickly turn.


The biggest factor was what the zombies could survive which was terrifying, and with land warrior everyone saw the same thing, instantaneously experienced inaccurate data, panicked the same way, and once they were afraid Zs were behind them too.
 
2012-11-06 03:05:59 PM

AntonChigger: KellyX: AntonChigger: KellyX: AntonChigger: frepnog: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

would run out of gas before running out of zombies.

Do you KNOW how much America spends on the military? I doubt they would run out of gas. All they need to do is reduce the number of zombies down to a manageable level anyway for the ground troops to come in and clean up the mess. Fast zombies would be hard to pin down I suppose, but slow zombies would be easy pickins.

Max Brooks covered why modern technology wouldn't affect things that radically against the undead, short of nuking everything and even then that wouldn't solve it and then you'd have radioactive ones that didn't get evaporated instantly roaming around.

Um, my argument has nothing to do with modern tech and more to do with simple fact that a multi ton tank, armored vehicle, humvee, etc will flatten a zombie into a squishy paste no matter what universe you're in. I should say that I've flipped through the wiki, and if I recall correctly, Brooks still follows the classic destroy the brain rule, so any zombies remaining would be easier to target and shoot, especially if they are maimed by the vehicles, which would make them slower.

I think the issue is there's chaos at the start and a lot of denial, but.. i think the biggie is that they basically swarm into huge herds of people and even if you try to drive your tank or car into a group of thousands, you're going to stop and be stuck.

Sounds like its mythbusters time. Lets round up several hundred or even thousand people we don't like, and see if they can stop an M1 Abrams at top speed (35 mph) from moving with their bare hands!


I don't think it's about bare hands, it's more about mass... eventually it would just become more than the tank (in this example) could push against...

Also at what point does all the goo, bones, etc. gum up the tank's wheels?
 
2012-11-06 03:06:22 PM

thecpt: ConConHead: So I don't get my weiner dog zombie hunter squads then? :(

Make it Corgis, then we'll talk.


WAVE OF ZOMBIES!?

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2012-11-06 03:08:27 PM

KellyX: AntonChigger: KellyX: AntonChigger: KellyX: AntonChigger: frepnog: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

would run out of gas before running out of zombies.

Do you KNOW how much America spends on the military? I doubt they would run out of gas. All they need to do is reduce the number of zombies down to a manageable level anyway for the ground troops to come in and clean up the mess. Fast zombies would be hard to pin down I suppose, but slow zombies would be easy pickins.

Max Brooks covered why modern technology wouldn't affect things that radically against the undead, short of nuking everything and even then that wouldn't solve it and then you'd have radioactive ones that didn't get evaporated instantly roaming around.

Um, my argument has nothing to do with modern tech and more to do with simple fact that a multi ton tank, armored vehicle, humvee, etc will flatten a zombie into a squishy paste no matter what universe you're in. I should say that I've flipped through the wiki, and if I recall correctly, Brooks still follows the classic destroy the brain rule, so any zombies remaining would be easier to target and shoot, especially if they are maimed by the vehicles, which would make them slower.

I think the issue is there's chaos at the start and a lot of denial, but.. i think the biggie is that they basically swarm into huge herds of people and even if you try to drive your tank or car into a group of thousands, you're going to stop and be stuck.

Sounds like its mythbusters time. Lets round up several hundred or even thousand people we don't like, and see if they can stop an M1 Abrams at top speed (35 mph) from moving with their bare hands!

I don't think it's about bare hands, it's more about mass... eventually it would just become more than the tank (in this example) could push against...

Also at what point does all the goo, bones, etc. gum up the tank's ...


Im not sure human remains would do much to gum up a tanks treads, since they can probably grind through them until they reach asphalt again, but what do I know. In any case, get a few tanks behind them to push :)
 
2012-11-06 03:09:05 PM

The sound of one hand clapping: Strategeryz0r: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

Or just send in a bunch of gunships to mow them down from the air?

That's one of the main reasons zombie movies make me laugh. All it would take is some apaches, blackhawks with miniguns, and a ton of ammo to put an end to the zombie apocalypse. Sweep with the air assets, then send in the ground troops supported by armor to clean up the streets and sweep the buildings.

Quick, simple, easy, effective. Yet it's always the last thing any zombie film/book ever tries.

It will spoiler the book for you (and possibly the movie a little bit depending on what they have taken from the book) but if you are curious why that doesn't work, read a synopsis of the battle of Yonkers from WWZ. They try and bottleneck most of the zombies located in that particular area of NY and then use gunships and tanks.

The long and short of it is *SPOILER ALERT!!*


Many zombies are not killed but simply dismembered, some even cut in half. But the brain remains intact so the zombies then just become crawlers, which are still dangerous to any ground infantry as they are then low to the ground and harder to see approaching if there is lots of debris. And with their being several million zombies in the Yonkers area alone, the gunships and tanks expend their main and secondary weapons quite quickly before they can make any significant impact. The ground infantry are then left with an approaching mass of many hundreds of thousands of remaining zombies, many of which haven't even been touched by the artillery.

It actually feels really realistic in terms of how a military superpower might underestimate how dangerous a load of slow moving zombies could be and how the situation could quickly turn.


When you're shooting from above them, using weapons that spray bullets in the thousands upon thousands of rounds per minute. The odds of you hitting them in the head are increased so exponentially that it's practically assured you will land a kill shot. Even if you don't, the sheer damage inflicted will make the grunts job significantly easier, as the zombies will have significantly decreased mobility.

No matter what perspective you look at, the helicopter is the ultimate zombie death machine. Not to mention the collateral damage from something like that would be lessened compared to say, tanks firing shots all over the place, jets firebombing the streets, etc.

Running out of ammo is obviously the main issue(mini guns be hungry). However, supported properly with the helicopters moving in first to initially cut a swath in the horde, snipers hanging back landing easy head shots as they can, and main infantry/ground armor moving forward behind the helicopters(to support the assault). It's like a hot knife through butter at that point. Your main assault force(helos) is untouchable by the zombies, the ground pounders have a significantly easier job courtesy of the damage being done from above and afar, and your infantry can focus on landing direct kill shots without worrying about wasting ammunition the helos would be using(miniguns expend 7.62 rounds vs standard M16/M4's 5.56).

Granted this is all conjecture at this point. As zombies aren't real(yet), and this is assuming that you catch on to the outbreak early enough for your ground forces to not be facing hundreds of millions of zombies at a time.

Regardless of that, the military response to a zombie outbreak in films and movies seems to rely on heavily outdated strategy.

1) setup defensive line
2) funnel zombies into a main avenue
3) try and cut them down while they're in a massive group, from a large firing line

That's a very.. err.. revolutionary war style strategy that seems to make ill-use of all the equipment in the military's arsenal. It also seems to be standard zombie film/book protocol.

I mean give me a street full of zombies, a wing of A-10s, and a bunch of avenger strafing runs. Tell me that wont wipe out a shiatload of zombies.
 
2012-11-06 03:11:01 PM

Strategeryz0r: Regardless of that, the military response to a zombie outbreak in films and moviesbooks seems to rely on heavily outdated strateg


ftfm
 
2012-11-06 03:13:08 PM

mooseyfate: Freakin Rican: mooseyfate: If you actually HAD read the books, you'd know that Brooks goes out of his way in chapter 1 of the ZSHB to describe that voodoo zombies and "runners" simply do not exist in his zombie world

i never read the book so could you or someone explain what he says about fast and voodoo zombies? im interested.

thanks

i actually prefer the fast moving zombies because they bring extra terror to zombies. i can watch "slow or fast" movers but i like the fast movers. ones that can run fast for days seems a lil extreme. maybe in burst like we do? who knows.

The first chapter is basically just Max saying in so many words: "I know that Hollywood has portrayed zombies as runners, voodoo, and supernaturally powered; but here's how zombies work in the universe my books take place in.". He then spends the next few pages describing how real zombies (read: Brooks Zombies) are reanimated through a virus called Solonum, and how they CAN'T act like sprinter's and voodoo zombies because the virus just doesn't allow the reanimated to move in such a fashion. They also aren't capable of any form of intelligence or reasoning. So no hand tools, door knobs are beyond their abilities to operate, hell, even ladders and stairs are nearly impossible for them to navigate. Anyways, if you haven't read it yet, go snag a copy. It's an insanely fun read.


thanks!!! will do
im gonna get a couple copies for my sons. i brought them all up as zombie, vampire, werewolf fans. ask them about how to survive a zombie attack and they would give you a full 50 page report, ask them for one page of homework and they draw a blank. lol

i actually started reading the wiki stuff on it. cant get through it all here at work. looks good so far.
 
2012-11-06 03:14:17 PM

Strategeryz0r: The sound of one hand clapping: Strategeryz0r: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

Or just send in a bunch of gunships to mow them down from the air?

That's one of the main reasons zombie movies make me laugh. All it would take is some apaches, blackhawks with miniguns, and a ton of ammo to put an end to the zombie apocalypse. Sweep with the air assets, then send in the ground troops supported by armor to clean up the streets and sweep the buildings.

Quick, simple, easy, effective. Yet it's always the last thing any zombie film/book ever tries.

It will spoiler the book for you (and possibly the movie a little bit depending on what they have taken from the book) but if you are curious why that doesn't work, read a synopsis of the battle of Yonkers from WWZ. They try and bottleneck most of the zombies located in that particular area of NY and then use gunships and tanks.

The long and short of it is *SPOILER ALERT!!*


Many zombies are not killed but simply dismembered, some even cut in half. But the brain remains intact so the zombies then just become crawlers, which are still dangerous to any ground infantry as they are then low to the ground and harder to see approaching if there is lots of debris. And with their being several million zombies in the Yonkers area alone, the gunships and tanks expend their main and secondary weapons quite quickly before they can make any significant impact. The ground infantry are then left with an approaching mass of many hundreds of thousands of remaining zombies, many of which haven't even been touched by the artillery.

It actually feels really realistic in terms of how a military superpower might underestimate how dangerous a load of slow moving zombies could be and how the situation could quickly turn.

When you're shooting from above them, using weapons that spray bullets in the thousands upon thousands of rounds per mi ...


i would think even fire bombing them would work. naplam or something like that. just burn em to a crisp
 
2012-11-06 03:16:21 PM

cefm: Either the synopsis of the film is totally inaccurate or else the film has nothing to do with the book. The book was a retrospective telling of the events that occurred during the apocalypse from which humanity is now recovering. The synopsis of the film said it followed a U.N. employee running around the globe trying to STOP the apocalypse.

World War Z it most certainly is NOT.


A great big THIS.

If Brad Pitt, Hollywood or anyone else wanted to make an "EXPLOSIONS! BOOM! VROOM WOOOOO!" zombie movie, go right ahead. Don't put the name "WWZ" on it. Call it "Zombie 'Pocolypse" or something. Call it something else.

Don't take a beautifully written book that holds certain truths about the material it is covering, and then set it all on fire so you can call it by an instantly recognizable name to put butts in the seats.

Basically - this would be like having decided that Harry Potter needed to be female, Harrietta was raised by a wizarding family and trained to fight the evil bad guy from day one and the final scene of the first (and only) movie is Voldermort being destroyed forever.
 
2012-11-06 03:16:33 PM

Freakin Rican: Strategeryz0r: The sound of one hand clapping: Strategeryz0r: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

Or just send in a bunch of gunships to mow them down from the air?

That's one of the main reasons zombie movies make me laugh. All it would take is some apaches, blackhawks with miniguns, and a ton of ammo to put an end to the zombie apocalypse. Sweep with the air assets, then send in the ground troops supported by armor to clean up the streets and sweep the buildings.

Quick, simple, easy, effective. Yet it's always the last thing any zombie film/book ever tries.

It will spoiler the book for you (and possibly the movie a little bit depending on what they have taken from the book) but if you are curious why that doesn't work, read a synopsis of the battle of Yonkers from WWZ. They try and bottleneck most of the zombies located in that particular area of NY and then use gunships and tanks.

The long and short of it is *SPOILER ALERT!!*


Many zombies are not killed but simply dismembered, some even cut in half. But the brain remains intact so the zombies then just become crawlers, which are still dangerous to any ground infantry as they are then low to the ground and harder to see approaching if there is lots of debris. And with their being several million zombies in the Yonkers area alone, the gunships and tanks expend their main and secondary weapons quite quickly before they can make any significant impact. The ground infantry are then left with an approaching mass of many hundreds of thousands of remaining zombies, many of which haven't even been touched by the artillery.

It actually feels really realistic in terms of how a military superpower might underestimate how dangerous a load of slow moving zombies could be and how the situation could quickly turn.

When you're shooting from above them, using weapons that spray bullets in the thousands upon thousands o ...


Sure it would, the burning would eventually destroy the brain.

The inherent problem is that you're fire bombing your city centers. So if your end goal is to pacify the outbreak in hopes of rebuilding, you just caused a massive amount of needless collateral damage.

It's much easier to fix bullet holes than it is to rebuild entire city blocks because you burned them to the ground. Though if things became hopeless, that's obviously the first option. Just MOAB the shiat and be done with it.
 
2012-11-06 03:17:57 PM

Fano: KellyX: AntonChigger: KellyX: AntonChigger: frepnog: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

would run out of gas before running out of zombies.

Do you KNOW how much America spends on the military? I doubt they would run out of gas. All they need to do is reduce the number of zombies down to a manageable level anyway for the ground troops to come in and clean up the mess. Fast zombies would be hard to pin down I suppose, but slow zombies would be easy pickins.

Max Brooks covered why modern technology wouldn't affect things that radically against the undead, short of nuking everything and even then that wouldn't solve it and then you'd have radioactive ones that didn't get evaporated instantly roaming around.

Um, my argument has nothing to do with modern tech and more to do with simple fact that a multi ton tank, armored vehicle, humvee, etc will flatten a zombie into a squishy paste no matter what universe you're in. I should say that I've flipped through the wiki, and if I recall correctly, Brooks still follows the classic destroy the brain rule, so any zombies remaining would be easier to target and shoot, especially if they are maimed by the vehicles, which would make them slower.

I think the issue is there's chaos at the start and a lot of denial, but.. i think the biggie is that they basically swarm into huge herds of people and even if you try to drive your tank or car into a group of thousands, you're going to stop and be stuck.

Recent filmed example: The van in Argo trying to get through the mobs. A tank would have trouble pushing through a mob that didn't care about living.


A tank would plow over or through any number of zombies. Anything short of hardened fortifications isn't going to slow them down. Hell, one of the best things we could do is bring back some of the "funnies" models of Shermans from WW2. Imagine what a mine-flayer would do to a mass of zombies.
 
2012-11-06 03:19:19 PM

Strategeryz0r: When you're shooting from above them, using weapons that spray bullets in the thousands upon thousands of rounds per minute. The odds of you hitting them in the head are increased so exponentially that it's practically assured you will land a kill shot. Even if you don't, the sheer damage inflicted will make the grunts job significantly easier, as the zombies will have significantly decreased mobility.

No matter what perspective you look at, the helicopter is the ultimate zombie death machine. Not to mention the collateral damage from something like that would be lessened compared to say, tanks firing shots all over the place, jets firebombing the streets, etc.

Running out of ammo is obviously the main issue(mini guns be hungry). However, supported properly with the helicopters moving in first to initially cut a swath in the horde, snipers hanging back landing easy head shots as they can, and main infantry/ground armor moving forward behind the helicopters(to support the assault). It's like a hot knife through butter at that point. Your main assault force(helos) is untouchable by the zombies, the ground pounders have a significantly easier job courtesy of the damage being done from above and afar, and your infantry can focus on landing direct kill shots without worrying about wasting ammunition the helos would be using(miniguns expend 7.62 rounds vs standard M16/M4's 5.56).

Granted this is all conjecture at this point. As zombies aren't real(yet), and this is assuming that you catch on to the outbreak early enough for your ground forces to not be facing hundreds of millions of zombies at a time.

Regardless of that, the military response to a zombie outbreak in films and movies seems to rely on heavily outdated strategy.

1) setup defensive line
2) funnel zombies into a main avenue
3) try and cut them down while they're in a massive group, from a large firing line

That's a very.. err.. revolutionary war style strategy that seems to make ill-use of all the equipment in the military's arsenal. It also seems to be standard zombie film/book protocol.

I mean give me a street full of zombies, a wing of A-10s, and a bunch of avenger strafing runs. Tell me that wont wipe out a shiatload of zombies..


That will work all fine and well if you know that you are dealing with a Zombie invasion. But like I said before, in most stories about Zombies, Zombies and Zombie stories don't exists in the world the story takes place in. So by time they figure out what is going on, the military has all deserted, bases have been overrun and there isn't much of a centralized military left. Your plan wouldn't even be able to get off the ground in a situation like that.
 
2012-11-06 03:20:43 PM

frepnog: screw you guys. all i expect out of this movie is a big budget OMFG ZOMBIES movie. ... but the book would for the most part be boring as hell if it was filmed as is.... and do we really need a filmed sequence of a blind japanese man killing zombies? or an interview with a child talking about how her church was over-run? All I ask from this movie is a fantastic Yonkers battle.


I wouldn't mind seeing an elderly blind Japanese man going to town on zombies with a sword or spade. But I guess that's just me.

And seriously, your compliant about the book being boring would be like complaining about 28 Days Later being boring. Jim wakes up. Jim wanders round. Jim has some brushes and has to witness/do some harsh things. Jim finds help. Jim gets left for dead. Jim goes ape shiat. Swedes fly over. ONLY ONE BIG BATTLE WTFBBQCHIPS!!!

It's like comparing Bram Stoker's Dracula to Blade. "Waaahhhh, Blade doesn't have character development. Blade doesn't have vampire wife things played by Monica Belluci. Blade doesn't have an insane asylum. All I want is one sweet ass carriage race through Transylvania and some fightin' at a Castle."

And I leave you with this: Link
 
2012-11-06 03:23:07 PM

SuperChuck: Fano: KellyX: AntonChigger: KellyX: AntonChigger: frepnog: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

would run out of gas before running out of zombies.

Do you KNOW how much America spends on the military? I doubt they would run out of gas. All they need to do is reduce the number of zombies down to a manageable level anyway for the ground troops to come in and clean up the mess. Fast zombies would be hard to pin down I suppose, but slow zombies would be easy pickins.

Max Brooks covered why modern technology wouldn't affect things that radically against the undead, short of nuking everything and even then that wouldn't solve it and then you'd have radioactive ones that didn't get evaporated instantly roaming around.

Um, my argument has nothing to do with modern tech and more to do with simple fact that a multi ton tank, armored vehicle, humvee, etc will flatten a zombie into a squishy paste no matter what universe you're in. I should say that I've flipped through the wiki, and if I recall correctly, Brooks still follows the classic destroy the brain rule, so any zombies remaining would be easier to target and shoot, especially if they are maimed by the vehicles, which would make them slower.

I think the issue is there's chaos at the start and a lot of denial, but.. i think the biggie is that they basically swarm into huge herds of people and even if you try to drive your tank or car into a group of thousands, you're going to stop and be stuck.

Recent filmed example: The van in Argo trying to get through the mobs. A tank would have trouble pushing through a mob that didn't care about living.

A tank would plow over or through any number of zombies. Anything short of hardened fortifications isn't going to slow them down. Hell, one of the best things we could do is bring back some of the "funnies" models of Shermans from WW2. Imagine what a mine-flayer would do to a mas ...


If you've ever played Company of Heroes, you know EXACTLY what a mine-flayer does to people, in exquisite detail...

/damn Jerries

Also, an M1 Abrams is 67ish short tons according to wikipedia, compared to a van which is 2 or 3. Gonna be really, really hard to slow it down, especially when its design would allow it to simply drive over the top of the zombies like a ramp after knocking down the first wave, maybe.
 
2012-11-06 03:23:47 PM

Freakin Rican: i would think even fire bombing them would work. naplam or something like that. just burn em to a crisp


That was the initial strategy, and that's why they lose the battle.

SPOILERS.
What came out of the firebombing was the most horrifying part. Thermo-baric explosions made the Zs lungs come out of their mouths, and they were burnt crisps but they weren't dead. The smoky left overs allowed them to collect ranks, and distracted the army. Soon they crawled and walked out to now terrified soldiers.

Thats the kind of book this is. They really build up the reason to be scared of them, more than something that can kill humanity but something for which humans have to rewrite the book of war.
 
2012-11-06 03:27:20 PM

Strategeryz0r: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

Or just send in a bunch of gunships to mow them down from the air?

That's one of the main reasons zombie movies make me laugh. All it would take is some apaches, blackhawks with miniguns, and a ton of ammo to put an end to the zombie apocalypse. Sweep with the air assets, then send in the ground troops supported by armor to clean up the streets and sweep the buildings.

Quick, simple, easy, effective. Yet it's always the last thing any zombie film/book ever tries.


The only thing that takes out a zombie for sure is a headshot. If you can't achieve that, it's masturbation. Sending in ground troops is insane. In the original Night of the Living Dead, a gun might get you out of town. In Dawn of the Dead (2004 remake), a gun might get you next door. This? In the movie, a zombie bite can turn you in eight seconds.
 
2012-11-06 03:29:18 PM

thecpt: Freakin Rican: i would think even fire bombing them would work. naplam or something like that. just burn em to a crisp

That was the initial strategy, and that's why they lose the battle.

SPOILERS.
What came out of the firebombing was the most horrifying part. Thermo-baric explosions made the Zs lungs come out of their mouths, and they were burnt crisps but they weren't dead. The smoky left overs allowed them to collect ranks, and distracted the army. Soon they crawled and walked out to now terrified soldiers.

Thats the kind of book this is. They really build up the reason to be scared of them, more than something that can kill humanity but something for which humans have to rewrite the book of war.


Thermo-baric explosives aren't effective for firebombing because they aren't primarily intended to be incendiary devices, if I recall correctly. We are simply talking napalm, which sticks to everything and burns hot. The zombies can't movie if all their flesh and tendons, etc has burnt and sloughed off.
 
2012-11-06 03:34:06 PM
Battle of Yonkers audio if you don't have the book. Makes a good attempt to explain why all the modern weapons and strategy failed. Doesn't cover everything of course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGBN7IPkgGg
 
2012-11-06 03:35:12 PM

AntonChigger: thecpt: Freakin Rican: i would think even fire bombing them would work. naplam or something like that. just burn em to a crisp

That was the initial strategy, and that's why they lose the battle.

SPOILERS.
What came out of the firebombing was the most horrifying part. Thermo-baric explosions made the Zs lungs come out of their mouths, and they were burnt crisps but they weren't dead. The smoky left overs allowed them to collect ranks, and distracted the army. Soon they crawled and walked out to now terrified soldiers.

Thats the kind of book this is. They really build up the reason to be scared of them, more than something that can kill humanity but something for which humans have to rewrite the book of war.

Thermo-baric explosives aren't effective for firebombing because they aren't primarily intended to be incendiary devices, if I recall correctly. We are simply talking napalm, which sticks to everything and burns hot. The zombies can't movie if all their flesh and tendons, etc has burnt and sloughed off.


thats what i would think. burning them up there would be nothing left to move.


thecpt: Freakin Rican: i would think even fire bombing them would work. naplam or something like that. just burn em to a crisp

That was the initial strategy, and that's why they lose the battle.

SPOILERS.
What came out of the firebombing was the most horrifying part. Thermo-baric explosions made the Zs lungs come out of their mouths, and they were burnt crisps but they weren't dead. The smoky left overs allowed them to collect ranks, and distracted the army. Soon they crawled and walked out to now terrified soldiers.

Thats the kind of book this is. They really build up the reason to be scared of them, more than something that can kill humanity but something for which humans have to rewrite the book of war.


wow thats crazy!! that would scare the crap outta me.

i understand about the destroying of cities with fire bombing. maybe lead them out into an open area away from the cities?

would fire bombing possibly burn up carl? do we know where he is?
 
2012-11-06 03:40:58 PM

stuhayes2010: Great book, any sci-fi/horro fan should read. I think the movie is going to be awful.


No.

I read the survival guide when it came out because people I knew and people on fark were literally masturbating (and I use literally correct here) over it.

It was a useless uninteresting pile of fetid dog shiat.

And that was back when I was just as obsessed with everything zombie as everyone else.
 
2012-11-06 03:41:10 PM

Freakin Rican: AntonChigger: thecpt: Freakin Rican: i would think even fire bombing them would work. naplam or something like that. just burn em to a crisp

That was the initial strategy, and that's why they lose the battle.

SPOILERS.
What came out of the firebombing was the most horrifying part. Thermo-baric explosions made the Zs lungs come out of their mouths, and they were burnt crisps but they weren't dead. The smoky left overs allowed them to collect ranks, and distracted the army. Soon they crawled and walked out to now terrified soldiers.

Thats the kind of book this is. They really build up the reason to be scared of them, more than something that can kill humanity but something for which humans have to rewrite the book of war.

Thermo-baric explosives aren't effective for firebombing because they aren't primarily intended to be incendiary devices, if I recall correctly. We are simply talking napalm, which sticks to everything and burns hot. The zombies can't movie if all their flesh and tendons, etc has burnt and sloughed off.

thats what i would think. burning them up there would be nothing left to move.


thecpt: Freakin Rican: i would think even fire bombing them would work. naplam or something like that. just burn em to a crisp

That was the initial strategy, and that's why they lose the battle.

SPOILERS.
What came out of the firebombing was the most horrifying part. Thermo-baric explosions made the Zs lungs come out of their mouths, and they were burnt crisps but they weren't dead. The smoky left overs allowed them to collect ranks, and distracted the army. Soon they crawled and walked out to now terrified soldiers.

Thats the kind of book this is. They really build up the reason to be scared of them, more than something that can kill humanity but something for which humans have to rewrite the book of war.

wow thats crazy!! that would scare the crap outta me.

i understand about the destroying of cities with fire bombing. maybe lead them out into an open area away from the cities?

would fire bombing possibly burn up carl? do we know where he is? ...


carl is in the prison... taking care of business.
 
2012-11-06 03:44:39 PM

Strategeryz0r: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

Or just send in a bunch of gunships to mow them down from the air?

That's one of the main reasons zombie movies make me laugh. All it would take is some apaches, blackhawks with miniguns, and a ton of ammo to put an end to the zombie apocalypse. Sweep with the air assets, then send in the ground troops supported by armor to clean up the streets and sweep the buildings.

Quick, simple, easy, effective. Yet it's always the last thing any zombie film/book ever tries.

That was brought up in the book. It was combination of the military being built to fight enemies that wound/bleed out and MASSIVE numbers.
 
2012-11-06 03:47:43 PM

Freakin Rican: i understand about the destroying of cities with fire bombing. maybe lead them out into an open area away from the cities?


Cities have gotten too farking big. I remember when there was some kind of wilderness between cities, but now? Geez. In another twenty years, you won't know where Los Angeles ends, and Las Vegas begins.
 
2012-11-06 03:55:21 PM

Strategeryz0r: Regardless of that, the military response to a zombie outbreak in films and movies seems to rely on heavily outdated strategy.

1) setup defensive line
2) funnel zombies into a main avenue
3) try and cut them down while they're in a massive group, from a large firing line

That's a very.. err.. revolutionary war style strategy that seems to make ill-use of all the equipment in the military's arsenal. It also seems to be standard zombie film/book protocol.

I mean give me a street full of zombies, a wing of A-10s, and a bunch of avenger strafing runs. Tell me that wont wipe out a shiatload of zombies.


ALL military strategy in movies is derived from Napoleonic war strategies. Or even before. How many modern variations on "hold the line against a charge" have you seen in movies? Why do we have to see archers or guys with M-16s saying "steady.... steady... wait for it..." when they should just open fire on a charge as soon as they see the enemy? It's not like they have flintlock muskets that take time to reload. Cavalry charges went the way of the dodo as soon as reliable repeating rifles and machine guns were invented (acknowledging their occasional success, typically due to major blunders on the receiving side)
All movie naval battles (including space) seem to think that crossing the T, broadsiding, then boarding is a viable strategy.

This is more filmable and "Hollywood" than a front spread over hundreds of miles.
 
2012-11-06 03:56:38 PM

scottydoesntknow: egomann: give me doughnuts: The "Starship Troopers" of zombie movies.

You say that like it is a bad thing.

Starship Troopers had some of the cheesiest writing I've ever seen, like SyFy Original movie bad. If it didn't have copious amounts of gore and a lot of boobs it would've been absolutely terrible.

"Rico, how do you know she's still alive?"
"I don't know how I know, but I know."


Starship Troopers was a war propaganda movie. It was subversive. It was beautiful.
 
2012-11-06 04:03:16 PM

kroonermanblack: stuhayes2010: Great book, any sci-fi/horro fan should read. I think the movie is going to be awful.

No.

I read the survival guide when it came out because people I knew and people on fark were literally masturbating (and I use literally correct here) over it.

It was a useless uninteresting pile of fetid dog shiat.

And that was back when I was just as obsessed with everything zombie as everyone else.


I thought WWZ and the survival guide were 2 seperate books. Same author and same zombieverse...but one was a story and the other was...a fictional survival guide...
 
2012-11-06 04:10:39 PM

mooseyfate: mooseyfate: Lazy personal attacks, name-dropping of unrelated authors, implication of being an idiot because I believe the movie should at the very least be about the source material, and then to top it off, you say that the book had no plot because L4D. Yup. I'm the m

Mouth-breather in this equation. You are the exact reason most things zombie suck ass. Thanks for doing your part to drive the genre into the ground. And no, I won't be getting off the couch to watch this garbage because I don't just mindlessly throw my money away on things that are obviously garbage. The same couldn't be said for you. Enjoy the shiatty movie, it was made to pander to people like you, anyways. Way to be a target demographic.



You're not understanding this. It's being made into a MOVIE. Arguing a miniseries is moot, i.e. a waste of time.
As others have already stated, the 'zombie' thing is getting tiring. I mostly agree, because 'running' from zombies that can barely walk is relatively boring. But zombies that can run...well that's just downright entertaining.


As someone else said, making a zombie movie with the WWZ tag on it may be sacrilege (and to you it obviously is), but that's Hollywood. I'm sure you watched Transformers and Avengers, so you can't make the point of not supporting Hollywood, now can you?


/out...boring conversation anyway.
 
2012-11-06 04:12:08 PM

Coelacanth: Freakin Rican: i understand about the destroying of cities with fire bombing. maybe lead them out into an open area away from the cities?

Cities have gotten too farking big. I remember when there was some kind of wilderness between cities, but now? Geez. In another twenty years, you won't know where Los Angeles ends, and Las Vegas begins.


but at what point do we really care what we do to our cities? i would say, "my life is worth more". so firebombing a whole city wouldnt bother me none.
 
2012-11-06 04:13:39 PM

frepnog: Freakin Rican: AntonChigger: thecpt: Freakin Rican: i would think even fire bombing them would work. naplam or something like that. just burn em to a crisp

That was the initial strategy, and that's why they lose the battle.

SPOILERS.
What came out of the firebombing was the most horrifying part. Thermo-baric explosions made the Zs lungs come out of their mouths, and they were burnt crisps but they weren't dead. The smoky left overs allowed them to collect ranks, and distracted the army. Soon they crawled and walked out to now terrified soldiers.

Thats the kind of book this is. They really build up the reason to be scared of them, more than something that can kill humanity but something for which humans have to rewrite the book of war.

Thermo-baric explosives aren't effective for firebombing because they aren't primarily intended to be incendiary devices, if I recall correctly. We are simply talking napalm, which sticks to everything and burns hot. The zombies can't movie if all their flesh and tendons, etc has burnt and sloughed off.

thats what i would think. burning them up there would be nothing left to move.


thecpt: Freakin Rican: i would think even fire bombing them would work. naplam or something like that. just burn em to a crisp

That was the initial strategy, and that's why they lose the battle.

SPOILERS.
What came out of the firebombing was the most horrifying part. Thermo-baric explosions made the Zs lungs come out of their mouths, and they were burnt crisps but they weren't dead. The smoky left overs allowed them to collect ranks, and distracted the army. Soon they crawled and walked out to now terrified soldiers.

Thats the kind of book this is. They really build up the reason to be scared of them, more than something that can kill humanity but something for which humans have to rewrite the book of war.

wow thats crazy!! that would scare the crap outta me.

i understand about the destroying of cities with fire bombing. maybe lead them ...


lol carl sure did take care of business. kicking ass and taking names. hes all out of bubble gum.
it was a good epi this week.
 
2012-11-06 04:21:46 PM

Freakin Rican: but at what point do we really care what we do to our cities? i would say, "my life is worth more". so firebombing a whole city wouldnt bother me none.


What if that city 'belonged' to the Koch Brothers?
 
2012-11-06 04:23:31 PM

Coelacanth: Freakin Rican: but at what point do we really care what we do to our cities? i would say, "my life is worth more". so firebombing a whole city wouldnt bother me none.

What if that city 'belonged' to the Koch Brothers?


what if the Koch Bros are zombies?
 
2012-11-06 04:23:43 PM
Ww z was ok but my god it still thinks the military fights battles with revolutionary tactics. I mean Yonkers was ridiculous. Sit in a line and try to hold it at all costs against millions of zombies. I guess it's good visually but its the such a retarded strategy that the person suggesting it would be run out of the war room. Yes. Let's use a military that is designed to be highly mobile and just sort of sit them all in a couple miles wide line and wait for the bad guys to come to us. Also lets not use like half of our arsenal and no, of course we don't want the air force to help!
 
2012-11-06 04:26:24 PM

NINDroog: I don't know what everyone is complaining about. It's going to be awesome. Didn't you see the clip of those thousands of zombies pouring over each other while stuff exploded in the background? Sure the book had character development and insight, but you can't put that on screen. If Avatar and Prometheus have taught me anything it's that CGI makes everything better.


WWZ was a series of short interviews. There was no character development.

As far as "realism" the first thing that will have to go is all the ridiculous underwater stuff. It would be virtually impossible for a zombie to attack you from underwater. And the stuff with the divers fighting submerged divers was idiotic.
 
2012-11-06 04:27:59 PM

fastfxr: mooseyfate: mooseyfate: Lazy personal attacks, name-dropping of unrelated authors, implication of being an idiot because I believe the movie should at the very least be about the source material, and then to top it off, you say that the book had no plot because L4D. Yup. I'm the m

Mouth-breather in this equation. You are the exact reason most things zombie suck ass. Thanks for doing your part to drive the genre into the ground. And no, I won't be getting off the couch to watch this garbage because I don't just mindlessly throw my money away on things that are obviously garbage. The same couldn't be said for you. Enjoy the shiatty movie, it was made to pander to people like you, anyways. Way to be a target demographic.


You're not understanding this. It's being made into a MOVIE. Arguing a miniseries is moot, i.e. a waste of time.
As others have already stated, the 'zombie' thing is getting tiring. I mostly agree, because 'running' from zombies that can barely walk is relatively boring. But zombies that can run...well that's just downright entertaining.


As someone else said, making a zombie movie with the WWZ tag on it may be sacrilege (and to you it obviously is), but that's Hollywood. I'm sure you watched Transformers and Avengers, so you can't make the point of not supporting Hollywood, now can you?


/out...boring conversation anyway.


Maybe if our conversation was sprinting and made up of CGI and no imagination, you'd be hurling your money at it. And don't even counter with The Avengers, it actually hurts your argument. The Avengers was actually a good movie that used it's source material to enrich it, not ignore it flat out so they could just make shiat up as they went along. Transformers is pointless, because it's always been a shameless cash-grab. Maybe it would be easier if you just admit you willingly gobble down whatever boiling shiat is spoon-fed to you than it would be for me to admit that WWZ will be anything but a gaping goatse of a movie.
 
2012-11-06 04:28:52 PM
......fighting submerged zombies...
 
2012-11-06 04:30:04 PM

kroonermanblack: stuhayes2010: Great book, any sci-fi/horro fan should read. I think the movie is going to be awful.

No.

I read the survival guide when it came out because people I knew and people on fark were literally masturbating (and I use literally correct here) over it.

It was a useless uninteresting pile of fetid dog shiat.

And that was back when I was just as obsessed with everything zombie as everyone else.


I bet you get hard everytime you see a zombie related thread on Fark just because you get to whip that little gem out.

/Yep, I totally hated that thing you like before it was even cool to hate it
//Who wants to touch me?
 
2012-11-06 04:30:11 PM

Saiga410: Fast zombies vs slow zombies..... can't we get a moderate speed zombie. Maybe one that walks at a brisk leasurely pace, like when you are late for an appointment but you do not want to bowl over a group of small kids in your way (as much as you would want to... social decorum bedamned.) Or maybe zombies that walk like speedwalkers at the mall at 7am.... it could be explained by some type of contamination at a supository factory... Oh well just spitballing here but why only shamble or able to do a 4 min mile for ever and ever..


I always thought that Zombies should only move fast when they are new, but as they age, go through rigor mortis, dry out and deteriorate they get slower and slower.
 
2012-11-06 04:48:23 PM

T.M.S.: NINDroog: I don't know what everyone is complaining about. It's going to be awesome. Didn't you see the clip of those thousands of zombies pouring over each other while stuff exploded in the background? Sure the book had character development and insight, but you can't put that on screen. If Avatar and Prometheus have taught me anything it's that CGI makes everything better.

WWZ was a series of short interviews. There was no character development.

As far as "realism" the first thing that will have to go is all the ridiculous underwater stuff. It would be virtually impossible for a zombie to attack you from underwater. And the stuff with the divers fighting submerged divers was idiotic.


What was wrong with the underwater stuff? Most of the attacks were in fairly shallow water, no?
 
2012-11-06 04:49:01 PM

T.M.S.: NINDroog: I don't know what everyone is complaining about. It's going to be awesome. Didn't you see the clip of those thousands of zombies pouring over each other while stuff exploded in the background? Sure the book had character development and insight, but you can't put that on screen. If Avatar and Prometheus have taught me anything it's that CGI makes everything better.

WWZ was a series of short interviews. There was no character development.

As far as "realism" the first thing that will have to go is all the ridiculous underwater stuff. It would be virtually impossible for a zombie to attack you from underwater. And the stuff with the divers fighting submerged divers was idiotic.


You are incorrect even in correcting his misuse of the phrase. The Japanese kid's story is the very definition of character development. It was the entire point of his section. However, I'll grant you half a point in that both as the phrase is commonly used and as he applied it, the book does not qualify. It is, as you said, a collection of vignettes, some personal scale and providing a portrait of a character during the disaster and some of larger scope.

As for underwater zombies, I have no expertise to argue with, so instead, NO U!
 
2012-11-06 04:50:49 PM

give me doughnuts: The "Starship Troopers" of zombie movies.


The difference being that Starship Troopers is a fine film. This thing just looks like suck.
 
2012-11-06 04:51:28 PM

Coelacanth: Freakin Rican: i understand about the destroying of cities with fire bombing. maybe lead them out into an open area away from the cities?

Cities have gotten too farking big. I remember when there was some kind of wilderness between cities, but now? Geez. In another twenty years, you won't know where Los Angeles ends, and Las Vegas begins.


www.internationalhero.co.uk
 
2012-11-06 04:52:07 PM

scottydoesntknow: egomann: give me doughnuts: The "Starship Troopers" of zombie movies.

You say that like it is a bad thing.

Starship Troopers had some of the cheesiest writing I've ever seen, like SyFy Original movie bad. If it didn't have copious amounts of gore and a lot of boobs it would've been absolutely terrible.


But it did have copious amounts of gore and boobs (and Nazi Dougie Howser) which is why it was awesome.

In some alternate universe, I'm sure it sucked.
 
2012-11-06 05:09:04 PM

LowbrowDeluxe: T.M.S.: NINDroog: I don't know what everyone is complaining about. It's going to be awesome. Didn't you see the clip of those thousands of zombies pouring over each other while stuff exploded in the background? Sure the book had character development and insight, but you can't put that on screen. If Avatar and Prometheus have taught me anything it's that CGI makes everything better.

WWZ was a series of short interviews. There was no character development.

As far as "realism" the first thing that will have to go is all the ridiculous underwater stuff. It would be virtually impossible for a zombie to attack you from underwater. And the stuff with the divers fighting submerged divers was idiotic.

You are incorrect even in correcting his misuse of the phrase. The Japanese kid's story is the very definition of character development. It was the entire point of his section. However, I'll grant you half a point in that both as the phrase is commonly used and as he applied it, the book does not qualify. It is, as you said, a collection of vignettes, some personal scale and providing a portrait of a character during the disaster and some of larger scope.

As for underwater zombies, I have no expertise to argue with, so instead, NO U!


Yeah that one and a few others focused on how the war changed people. I agree I was imprecise. It's just the the term "character development" is tossed around a great deal these days when discussing zombie lore. And it has been endless used to excuse the dirge-like pace of The Walking Dead. That show did not need nine hours of season 2 to "develop" the characters. You could have watched Death of a Salesman three times instead and Miller did a pretty good job "developing" those characters in a fraction of the time.


Iceberg659: T.M.S.: NINDroog: I don't know what everyone is complaining about. It's going to be awesome. Didn't you see the clip of those thousands of zombies pouring over each other while stuff exploded in the background? Sure the book had character development and insight, but you can't put that on screen. If Avatar and Prometheus have taught me anything it's that CGI makes everything better.

WWZ was a series of short interviews. There was no character development.

As far as "realism" the first thing that will have to go is all the ridiculous underwater stuff. It would be virtually impossible for a zombie to attack you from underwater. And the stuff with the divers fighting submerged divers was idiotic.

What was wrong with the underwater stuff? Most of the attacks were in fairly shallow water, no?


No. The book wrongly presumes dead people could walk around on the ocean floor. And without lead boots that would be impossible.

Also, no zombie would be able to bite through a deep sea diving suit.
 
2012-11-06 05:17:00 PM

T.M.S.: No. The book wrongly presumes dead people could walk around on the ocean floor. And without lead boots that would be impossible.

Also, no zombie would be able to bite through a deep sea diving suit.


The book mentioned a severe chemical changes of the zombie body. I was willing to suspend disbelief in regards to floating considering in the same universe the zombie cells couldn't get frostbite. I don't remember a chapter about a deep sea diving suit, but I only listened to the audio version.
 
2012-11-06 05:17:24 PM

mooseyfate: fastfxr: mooseyfate: fastfxr: Zombies have to move slow and lethargic?
-Y'all are idiots.

Should be a mini-series?
-Idiots as well.


Looking forward to a WWZ/L4D-type movie myself.

You clearly haven't read the books, or even heard about them in passing. You're an idiot, please don't speak on subjects you are obviously ignorant on. Also, eat shiat and die.

Umm yeah, I did. It was mildly entertaining, but I don't think each chapter requires its own series.
That's just the TV-watching couch-addict in you talking, I assume.


My comment on it was that slow zombies are boring...but I guess reading comprehension fails you.

And yet rather than just shut up about something you have no idea about, you try your "politics thread" best to shift attention away from the fact that you're obviously wrong. If you actually HAD read the books, you'd know that Brooks goes out of his way in chapter 1 of the ZSHB to describe that voodoo zombies and "runners" simply do not exist in his zombie world.

As for the mini-series, I never stated that it should be, but as evidenced by all the production stills and trailer screenshots, they utterly failed to capture any part of the book in the film, so clearly it WOULD have been better off as a mini-series, and it has nothing to do with this laziness you've assumed about me. It has everything to do with how the book was written, but since you clearly haven't read it, you'd have no idea what I'm talking about. Go ahead. Run to Wikipedia and read the plot synopsis so you can hurry back and impress no one with how you "totally read it" because Scott Wanio and LMOE! And then to make your blinding ignorance worse, you put WWZ and L4D into the same "type" because, well, there's zombies in both of them, so clearly they're identical!

/what a farking mook


I'm going to assume that you are actually Max Brooks at this point. No one else would have this much tied up emotionally into this movie.

Take a step back and breath. I know you wanted this to be better than it will be, but that is no reason to be an ass on the internet to people who have a different opinion than you on a work of fiction.
 
2012-11-06 05:36:47 PM

Strategeryz0r: AntonChigger: So does anyone want to explain why the military didn't just drive around the city with tanks running over all the zombies?

Or just send in a bunch of gunships to mow them down from the air?

That's one of the main reasons zombie movies make me laugh. All it would take is some apaches, blackhawks with miniguns, and a ton of ammo to put an end to the zombie apocalypse. Sweep with the air assets, then send in the ground troops supported by armor to clean up the streets and sweep the buildings.

Quick, simple, easy, effective. Yet it's always the last thing any zombie film/book ever tries.


Well... WWZ covered the initial fiasco in some detail.

Basically, the military fell into Fulda Gap mode and failed to realize that zombies don't succumb to shockwave, don't succumb to penetrating trauma (except to the brain) and that they're attracted to noise. Miniguns don't do very well in the headshot department.

Once the military had their tactics figured out, however...
 
2012-11-06 05:41:26 PM

thecpt: T.M.S.: No. The book wrongly presumes dead people could walk around on the ocean floor. And without lead boots that would be impossible.

Also, no zombie would be able to bite through a deep sea diving suit.

The book mentioned a severe chemical changes of the zombie body. I was willing to suspend disbelief in regards to floating considering in the same universe the zombie cells couldn't get frostbite. I don't remember a chapter about a deep sea diving suit, but I only listened to the audio version.


It's been a while but I recall a chapter about commercial and military divers battling the zombies in deep water. It was a cool idea but very impractical.
 
2012-11-06 05:47:57 PM

give me doughnuts: The "Starship Troopers" of zombie movies.


Was thinking the same thing.

I'd also like to recommend these books for zombie lovers:

anythinghorror.files.wordpress.com

img2.imagesbn.com

www.fictitiousmusings.com
 
2012-11-06 05:56:28 PM

jaybeezey: mooseyfate: fastfxr: mooseyfate: fastfxr: Zombies have to move slow and lethargic?
-Y'all are idiots.

Should be a mini-series?
-Idiots as well.


Looking forward to a WWZ/L4D-type movie myself.

You clearly haven't read the books, or even heard about them in passing. You're an idiot, please don't speak on subjects you are obviously ignorant on. Also, eat shiat and die.

Umm yeah, I did. It was mildly entertaining, but I don't think each chapter requires its own series.
That's just the TV-watching couch-addict in you talking, I assume.


My comment on it was that slow zombies are boring...but I guess reading comprehension fails you.

And yet rather than just shut up about something you have no idea about, you try your "politics thread" best to shift attention away from the fact that you're obviously wrong. If you actually HAD read the books, you'd know that Brooks goes out of his way in chapter 1 of the ZSHB to describe that voodoo zombies and "runners" simply do not exist in his zombie world.

As for the mini-series, I never stated that it should be, but as evidenced by all the production stills and trailer screenshots, they utterly failed to capture any part of the book in the film, so clearly it WOULD have been better off as a mini-series, and it has nothing to do with this laziness you've assumed about me. It has everything to do with how the book was written, but since you clearly haven't read it, you'd have no idea what I'm talking about. Go ahead. Run to Wikipedia and read the plot synopsis so you can hurry back and impress no one with how you "totally read it" because Scott Wanio and LMOE! And then to make your blinding ignorance worse, you put WWZ and L4D into the same "type" because, well, there's zombies in both of them, so clearly they're identical!

/what a farking mook

I'm going to assume that you are actually Max Brooks at this point. No one else would have this much tied up emotionally into this movie.

Take a step back and breath. I know you wanted this to be better than it will be, but that is no reason to be an ass on the internet to people who have a different opinion than you on a work of fiction.


of all, this is Playground Rules and he started it. 2nd of all, Welcome to Farkistan, where everyone is a dick about everything. And last but not least, if YOU'D like to post something ignorant and completely indicative of the state of shiatty Hollywood blockbusters and book adaptations, I'd be more than happy to spend the remainder of my day spewing hate-filled bile at you as well. It's not okay that they've butchered this book so badly. You can say "it's just a movie" all you want, it's still not okay.
 
2012-11-06 06:02:25 PM
The problem with fast zombies is they represent an actual threat which is enough to unify survivors and force cooperation.
Slow zombies are underestimated and give survivors the 'luxury' of self interest and poor preparation.
The whole zombie genre is a thought experiment on the human psychological condition. It looks like a fun movie but the footage indicates they've missed the point entirely.
 
2012-11-06 06:04:52 PM
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This was a good zombie flick. Kind of low-budget, but it worked. And yes, it's a found-footage, camcorder flick, but it still works a lot better than a movie that has a CG wave of zombies.

It also shows why slow zombies are better, and why the zombies are not an antagonist, but a natural disaster. That's my main problem with Brooks' book-- He treats zombies like an invading army of monsters that can be defeated, and not like a natural disaster that can't be prevented.

I don't hate Brooks' book. I just think he introduced a lot of new people to a very bad version of the zombie formula, and they took the idea and came to the conclusion regarding what makes a "good" zombie story (to them: survival porn versus horror-drama).

A good zombie flick is a drama first, and the horror is in the choices the people have to face-- Not the monsters attacking, and not the inevitable gore. It's in the psychological effect, not the physical threats.

And I still say Brooks could have replaced zombies with aliens, robots, rabid dogs, or anything else and he would have been telling essentially the same story: Survivor tales about how they beat the strange enemy.
 
2012-11-06 06:13:21 PM

ZeroCorpse: This was a good zombie flick. Kind of low-budget, but it worked. And yes, it's a found-footage, camcorder flick, but it still works a lot better than a movie that has a CG wave of zombies.

It also shows why slow zombies are better, and why the zombies are not an antagonist, but a natural disaster. That's my main problem with Brooks' book-- He treats zombies like an invading army of monsters that can be defeated, and not like a natural disaster that can't be prevented.

I don't hate Brooks' book. I just think he introduced a lot of new people to a very bad version of the zombie formula, and they took the idea and came to the conclusion regarding what makes a "good" zombie story (to them: survival porn versus horror-drama).

A good zombie flick is a drama first, and the horror is in the choices the people have to face-- Not the monsters attacking, and not the inevitable gore. It's in the psychological effect, not the physical threats.

And I still say Brooks could have replaced zombies with aliens, robots, rabid dogs, or anything else and he would have been telling essentially the same story: Survivor tales about how they beat the strange enemy.


I think there's room for both versions, though. If Walking Dead threads are any indication, zombie survivor porn has a large audience already. People that want to sit back and say "What if" til three in the morning with their friends. Brooks' first book did an excellent job of capturing that feel, even of you were reading it alone and didn't discuss it with anybody. I liked that. It was fun. So was WWZ. It's not the golden standard of the zombie genre, but just because it got over exposed doesn't mean it's not damn good.
 
2012-11-06 06:55:47 PM

Father_Jack: what was so neat about WWZ was how they explored so many aspects of what a zombie apocalypse would do to all levels of society: economic, manufacturing, social structures, raising kids afterwards, etc etc, and how different nations responded differently to it.


If you think that's neat, then you should read the WW3 (not "Z") books that Brooks plagiarized down to minute plot details such as from this:

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Gives you much the same story, right down to the nature of post-conflict California, but with greater strength in writing style, more realistic handling of details and without sounding like it was done by a hack. Why go for the fanfic-esque story that hardly does more than word replace "nukes" with "zombies" when you can enjoy better books? There's a whole batch out there waiting to be discovered by those willing to read more than one book without pictures.

/I'd have liked WWZ when I read it, wanted to after all the hype that led me to it, but I hate plot plagiarists and crappy writing.
//WWZ is Twilight for zombie lovers. (Not really, but the writing is certainly in that class.)
 
2012-11-06 07:02:06 PM

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: Father_Jack: what was so neat about WWZ was how they explored so many aspects of what a zombie apocalypse would do to all levels of society: economic, manufacturing, social structures, raising kids afterwards, etc etc, and how different nations responded differently to it.

If you think that's neat, then you should read the WW3 (not "Z") books that Brooks plagiarized down to minute plot details such as from this:



Gives you much the same story, right down to the nature of post-conflict California, but with greater strength in writing style, more realistic handling of details and without sounding like it was done by a hack. Why go for the fanfic-esque story that hardly does more than word replace "nukes" with "zombies" when you can enjoy better books? There's a whole batch out there waiting to be discovered by those willing to read more than one book without pictures.

/I'd have liked WWZ when I read it, wanted to after all the hype that led me to it, but I hate plot plagiarists and crappy writing.
//WWZ is Twilight for zombie lovers. (Not really, but the writing is certainly in that class.)


I'm going to check that out because it looks like a good read, but normally people will include said cases of plagiarism if they actually occurred. Google didn't turn up anything, so maybe you can post the parts that were plagiarized. Unless your version of plagiarism just means "somebody else did something similar in the past", which I get the feeling is what you meant. Regardless, War Day, if it is as similar as you say, sounds like it could be some awesome reading material to gear me up for the coming apocalypse.
 
2012-11-06 07:12:51 PM

chewy milk: Ww z was ok but my god it still thinks the military fights battles with revolutionary tactics. I mean Yonkers was ridiculous. Sit in a line and try to hold it at all costs against millions of zombies. I guess it's good visually but its the such a retarded strategy that the person suggesting it would be run out of the war room. Yes. Let's use a military that is designed to be highly mobile and just sort of sit them all in a couple miles wide line and wait for the bad guys to come to us. Also lets not use like half of our arsenal and no, of course we don't want the air force to help!


Well that was kind of the point and the soldier even says something very close to that in the narrative.
 
2012-11-06 07:20:55 PM
wwzino

world war z in name only
 
2012-11-06 07:23:26 PM

Zombie DJ: InmanRoshi: After this, can we officially expire the Zombies shiat? Holy fark, it's officially played the fark out.

I don't agree.
Zombies aren't the main character of movies.
Vampires are. Werewolves are. But zombies are the thing that moves the plot for OTHER characters.
Like disaster movies. Floods, earthquakes, zombies.....


Since I've had time off work I've been thinking of doing some writing , and the idea was some fiction from the zombies perspective. But hasn't gotten off the ground yet.
 
2012-11-06 07:30:24 PM

chewy milk: Ww z was ok but my god it still thinks the military fights battles with revolutionary tactics. I mean Yonkers was ridiculous. Sit in a line and try to hold it at all costs against millions of zombies. I guess it's good visually but its the such a retarded strategy that the person suggesting it would be run out of the war room. Yes. Let's use a military that is designed to be highly mobile and just sort of sit them all in a couple miles wide line and wait for the bad guys to come to us. Also lets not use like half of our arsenal and no, of course we don't want the air force to help!


IIRC, *SPOILER ALERT sort of* it was "revolutionary tactics" that they turned to, and were successful with, in the end.
 
2012-11-06 07:43:02 PM
I liked the book and all, but I don't think there's a movie they could have made out of it that would make people happy. There's too many different stories in the book to make a cohesive single movie telling all of them. I'm willing to see it to see what they do with it. It does look like a typical Hollywood CGI blockbuster which is a turn off, but who knows.

Personally, my least favorite parts of the book were the military stories. There was simply too much military terminology thrown around for my liking. So I'm more disappointed they chose to focus on that rather than some of the other more unique civilian stories, but that's just a personal preference.

For all of you who are sick of zombies, you certainly don't have to see/watch/read anything about them if you feel this way. I'm personally sick of hearing about people who are sick of hearing about zombies :). Also, no one owns zombies so whenever people throw out that someone has bastardized zombies, it's just absurd. There are always going to be different iterations of topics. I don't like the Resident Evil movies, but I'm not going to say they ruined zombies. I just don't prefer their take on the subject. It's cool though, they can make their crappy movies and I'm free to not watch them but more power to people who enjoy them.
 
2012-11-06 07:49:10 PM
The zombies look like the vampires from the Will Smith version of I Am Legend.
 
2012-11-06 07:53:16 PM
In the book all the soldiers used a tool called the Lobotomizer aka Lobo.

How would that work well against a bunch of zombies RUNNING at you? Also the blind monk in Japan with the staff or the Air force pilot that had the broken ankle but ran away?
 
2012-11-06 07:54:52 PM
Everything about the army in World War Z was stupid as hell.

One dude in a tank could literally smash thousands upon thousands of zombies. Just crushing them flat under thousands upon thousands of pounds of metal and treads. Ask the Polish how well unarmed people did vs tank treads in WWII....And our modern tanks are stronger faster and better than the WWII ones.

Then once they military realized that they could crush zombies with tanks they would just up-armor thousands of bulldozers and crush all the farking zombies, while having patrols blare heavy metal music to draw them out into the open and head shot them to death.

World War Z is a fun read but farking stupid when you put any logic into it.
 
2012-11-06 08:12:31 PM

D2theMcV: chewy milk: Ww z was ok but my god it still thinks the military fights battles with revolutionary tactics. I mean Yonkers was ridiculous. Sit in a line and try to hold it at all costs against millions of zombies. I guess it's good visually but its the such a retarded strategy that the person suggesting it would be run out of the war room. Yes. Let's use a military that is designed to be highly mobile and just sort of sit them all in a couple miles wide line and wait for the bad guys to come to us. Also lets not use like half of our arsenal and no, of course we don't want the air force to help!

IIRC, *SPOILER ALERT sort of* it was "revolutionary tactics" that they turned to, and were successful with, in the end.


It's kind of funny, because every single one of his concerns is actually addressed IN THE BOOK. The Air Force was largely mothballed because of the immense amount of satellite and electrical support needed to operate them properly, not to mention the ever-present fuel problem. They were still flying old WWII era planes because those were designed before the days of reliable radar, electronic huds, and GPS satellites and could be more easily repaired in between missions than $100 million fighter jets. Revolutionary War Tactics became highly effective because when the enemy can't return fire, the only weapon more deadly than a soldier's rifle is his ability to keep his head in battle. Why waste resources and personnel chasing down Zeds and risking possible infection when you can stay in one highly organized group (which meant people were actually able to rest in shifts) and murder zeds around the clock as they come. "Half the arsenal" is shock and awe, and you can't shock and awe an enemy with no emotions. What real good would a bunker buster bomb do to an army of undead? Sabot rounds? Thermobaric weapons? Smart missiles become unguided rockets thanks to the world-wide infrastructure breakdown. The only truly viable options are napalm (not widely used post-Vietnam War, but I'm sure there's still stockpiles somewhere) and weapons of MASS destruction, but as someone else pointed out, the general idea behind combating the undead horde is to reclaim or retake infected areas, not turn it into a glass parking lot. So yeah, all that stuff's already been covered by the source material. Not that it matters for the movie, it appears. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone kill a zombie with a taser in this shiatstain of a movie.
 
2012-11-06 08:21:25 PM
I've nearly finished the book.

The movie looks like a big bag of suck.
 
2012-11-06 09:09:03 PM
Looks like I'll have to wait for the reboot...sigh... 


/Carl took a level in badass between seasons, I see
 
2012-11-06 09:35:32 PM
for some reason that reminded me of the critball

Link
 
2012-11-06 10:06:39 PM

mooseyfate: It's kind of funny, because every single one of his concerns is actually addressed IN THE BOOK. The Air Force was largely mothballed because of the immense amount of satellite and electrical support needed to operate them properly, not to mention the ever-present fuel problem. They were still flying old WWII era planes because those were designed before the days of reliable radar, electronic huds, and GPS satellites and could be more easily repaired in between missions than $100 million fighter jets. Revolutionary War Tactics became highly effective because when the enemy can't return fire, the only weapon more deadly than a soldier's rifle is his ability to keep his head in battle. Why waste resources and personnel chasing down Zeds and risking possible infection when you can stay in one highly organized group (which meant people were actually able to rest in shifts) and murder zeds around the clock as they come. "Half the arsenal" is shock and awe, and you can't shock and awe an enemy with no emotions. What real good would a bunker buster bomb do to an army of undead? Sabot rounds? Thermobaric weapons? Smart missiles become unguided rockets thanks to the world-wide infrastructure breakdown. The only truly viable options are napalm (not widely used post-Vietnam War, but I'm sure there's still stockpiles somewhere) and weapons of MASS destruction, but as someone else pointed out, the general idea behind combating the undead horde is to reclaim or retake infected areas, not turn it into a glass parking lot. So yeah, all that stuff's already been covered by the source material. Not that it matters for the movie, it appears. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone kill a zombie with a taser in this shiatstain of a movie.


I think the reason that some people don't like the book is because one guy doesn't win it all by himself.
 
2012-11-06 10:15:54 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: kroonermanblack: WTF Indeed: Book: A real science-based account of how the world would react to a plague.
Movie: ZOMG Zombies! Brad Pitt will save us! Thank Jesus Brad Pitt!

It's not science based. It's realistic bent of speculative fiction. It's no more factual than National Treasure is a historic accuracy.

So ready for the zombies everywhere thing to be done. It was fun and cool for a little while but it's just so insanely over saturating everything now.

So you are saying...the zombies just keep coming...relentlessly...despite your best efforts and throwing everything you have at it, they just. keep. coming. I feel like there must be some sort of outlet, some method to describe that feeling of helplessness in the face of daunting odds and an unstoppable hungry horde. It is like all these zombie movies/books/shows/commercials/blogs/websites are some sort of semi-alive/semi-dead amalgamation of the essence of our humanity.


If only there were a term... wait, there is. Lame.
 
2012-11-07 02:45:08 AM
Love the book, so I'm just going to pretend this movie is called something else and take it as it plays.

The zombies as army ants thing is a new take and I'm curious to see if they make it work.
 
2012-11-07 04:55:49 AM

AntonChigger: We are simply talking napalm, which sticks to everything and burns hot.


We shoot the dead, the young, the lame,
We do our best not to maim,
Because the kills don't count the same,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Flying low 'cross the cities,
Pilots doing what they please,
Dropping frags on refugees,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

See those walkers over there,
Watch me get them with a pair,
Blood and guts just everywhere,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

I've only seen it happen twice,
But both times it was mighty nice,
Shooting zeds stuck in the ice,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Napalm, son, is lots of fun,
Dropped in a bomb or shot from a gun,
It gets the walkers on the run,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Drop some napalm on a farm,
It won't do them any harm,
Just burn off their legs and arms,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

CIA with guns for hire,
Zombies running from a fire,
Napalm makes the fire go higher,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

I've been told it's not so neat,
To catch zeds burning in the street,
But burning flesh, it smells to sweet,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Children sucking on a mother's tit,
Wounded walkers in a pit,
Dow Chemical doesn't give a shiat,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Bombadiers don't care a bit,
Just as long as the pieces fit,
When you stuff the bodies in a pit,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Eighteen ghouls in a No Fire Zone,
"Lunch" under arms and going home,
Last in line goes home alone,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Zack in a sampan, sitting in the stern,
They don't know their boats will burn,
Those damn saifu will never learn,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Cobras flying in the sun,
Killing walkers is lots of fun,
Get one pregnant and it's two for one,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Shoot the walkers where they sit,
Take some pictures as you split,
All your life you'll remember it,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Ghouls are all hard core,
LOBOS never are a bore,
Throw those PSYOPS out the door,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Gather zeds as you fly over town,
By throwing flesh on the ground,
Then grease 'em when they gather 'round,
Napalm sticks to zeds.
 
2012-11-07 05:16:54 AM
so they took the title of a successful book and slapped it onto a typical hollywood piece of shiat script without even remaining faithful to the genre?

sure, sounds like a must see
 
2012-11-07 05:27:15 AM

eldritch2k4: AntonChigger: We are simply talking napalm, which sticks to everything and burns hot.

We shoot the dead, the young, the lame,
We do our best not to maim,
Because the kills don't count the same,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Flying low 'cross the cities,
Pilots doing what they please,
Dropping frags on refugees,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

See those walkers over there,
Watch me get them with a pair,
Blood and guts just everywhere,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

I've only seen it happen twice,
But both times it was mighty nice,
Shooting zeds stuck in the ice,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Napalm, son, is lots of fun,
Dropped in a bomb or shot from a gun,
It gets the walkers on the run,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Drop some napalm on a farm,
It won't do them any harm,
Just burn off their legs and arms,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

CIA with guns for hire,
Zombies running from a fire,
Napalm makes the fire go higher,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

I've been told it's not so neat,
To catch zeds burning in the street,
But burning flesh, it smells to sweet,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Children sucking on a mother's tit,
Wounded walkers in a pit,
Dow Chemical doesn't give a shiat,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Bombadiers don't care a bit,
Just as long as the pieces fit,
When you stuff the bodies in a pit,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Eighteen ghouls in a No Fire Zone,
"Lunch" under arms and going home,
Last in line goes home alone,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Zack in a sampan, sitting in the stern,
They don't know their boats will burn,
Those damn saifu will never learn,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Cobras flying in the sun,
Killing walkers is lots of fun,
Get one pregnant and it's two for one,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Shoot the walkers where they sit,
Take some pictures as you split,
All your life you'll remember it,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Ghouls are all hard core,
LOBOS never are a bore,
Throw those PSYOPS out the door,
Napalm sticks to zeds.

Gather zeds as you fly over town,
By throwing flesh on the ground,
Then grease 'em when the ...


*APPLAUDS*
 
2012-11-07 08:09:30 AM
I do love the book, but it really takes a healthy dose of suspension of disbelief anytime military units are talked about. It would have been a great mini-series and the audiobook is amazing. An extended audiobook is planned (unabridged).

The zombie hoard in the book would have been toast by tanks running them over and C-130 gunships. Never mind the shooting gallery that would have happened in the plain states (15 fully armed rednecks in an F-250 pretty much end a large chunk of the hoard). Never mind the bridges and other stuff that could be blown.
 
2012-11-07 09:23:05 AM

fusillade762: I'd also like to recommend these books for zombie lovers:


Day by Day Armageddon? Really? The writing was awful -- the author's grasp of the English language is tenuous, at best. He doesn't even know the difference between "shuttered" (what he wrote) and "shuddered" (what he should have written).
 
2012-11-07 10:19:56 AM

The Crepes of Wrath: fusillade762: I'd also like to recommend these books for zombie lovers:

Day by Day Armageddon? Really? The writing was awful -- the author's grasp of the English language is tenuous, at best. He doesn't even know the difference between "shuttered" (what he wrote) and "shuddered" (what he should have written).


It was written as a diary. Complaining about the use of language is like complaining about the cinematography of the Blair Witch Project.

But I agree it is a shiatty book. Not as bad as some of the others and I give him marks for accomplishing it but its kinda crappy.
 
2012-11-07 11:48:28 AM

T.M.S.: The Crepes of Wrath: fusillade762: I'd also like to recommend these books for zombie lovers:

Day by Day Armageddon? Really? The writing was awful -- the author's grasp of the English language is tenuous, at best. He doesn't even know the difference between "shuttered" (what he wrote) and "shuddered" (what he should have written).

It was written as a diary. Complaining about the use of language is like complaining about the cinematography of the Blair Witch Project.

But I agree it is a shiatty book. Not as bad as some of the others and I give him marks for accomplishing it but its kinda crappy.


crap. and i just went and got the book based on the recommendation in this thread. now i have misgivings.
 
2012-11-07 01:41:35 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: give me doughnuts: The "Starship Troopers" of zombie movies.

Except that "Starship Troopers" was an idiotic book and the movie did a great job of mocking the sh*t out of it.



Your derp to sentence ratio is pretty high. It's obvious you understood the book almost as well as Verhoeven did.
 
2012-11-07 01:41:45 PM
It's not a bad read. And it has a sincerity most zombie fiction lacks. It's just not particularly "good" as a novel.
 
2012-11-07 02:00:26 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: scottydoesntknow: egomann: give me doughnuts: The "Starship Troopers" of zombie movies.

You say that like it is a bad thing.

Starship Troopers had some of the cheesiest writing I've ever seen, like SyFy Original movie bad. If it didn't have copious amounts of gore and a lot of boobs it would've been absolutely terrible.

"Rico, how do you know she's still alive?"
"I don't know how I know, but I know."

Starship Troopers was a war propaganda movie. It was subversive. It was beautiful.



The movie was a steaming pile of vulture puke.
 
2012-11-07 03:22:29 PM

T.M.S.: It was written as a diary. Complaining about the use of language is like complaining about the cinematography of the Blair Witch Project.


Oddly enough, I've read plenty of books written in the style of a diary. Not once have I ever read one that appeared to be written by a 5th grader (unless the diary was purported to belong to a 5th grader). But this is the kind of dreck you have to slog through when you're dealing with the explosion in publishing.

/read another one that talked about the "robot hoard" instead of "horde"
//written by someone who claims to be a professor of literature
 
2012-11-07 03:30:31 PM
I just kind of noticed something watching that footage again.

The zombies are working together. And that wave of zombies knocking over the bus was acting like a pseudopod.

Not only are the zombies running, but do they have a hive mind too?
 
2012-11-07 03:31:14 PM

give me doughnuts: The movie was a steaming pile of vulture puke.


This is how you get favorited!
 
2012-11-07 03:38:38 PM

Coelacanth: I just kind of noticed something watching that footage again.

The zombies are working together. And that wave of zombies knocking over the bus was acting like a pseudopod.

Not only are the zombies running, but do they have a hive mind too?


They probably have laser eyes and swords in their arms, too.
 
2012-11-07 03:39:58 PM

mooseyfate: Coelacanth: I just kind of noticed something watching that footage again.

The zombies are working together. And that wave of zombies knocking over the bus was acting like a pseudopod.

Not only are the zombies running, but do they have a hive mind too?

They probably have laser eyes and swords in their arms, too.


It's Hollywood, you never know.
 
2012-11-07 03:49:43 PM
I listened to WWZ on tape as i drove from Northern Cal to Florida, alone. It was Interesting, but i'm not sure how it will do as a one shot movie. The story moved at a certain pace, that was part of the storyline.

I had set up a frame in the back of the pickup truck i was driving, with a canvas cover which rolled down and over the bed like a camper and a army cot to lay on when i wished to sleep.
I had a .45 long colt under my pillow, as i listened to WWZ and some golden age radio shows, it made for some strange dreams as a fell asleep in the new mexico desert...
csb////
 
2012-11-07 04:01:20 PM

The Crepes of Wrath: T.M.S.: It was written as a diary. Complaining about the use of language is like complaining about the cinematography of the Blair Witch Project.

Oddly enough, I've read plenty of books written in the style of a diary. Not once have I ever read one that appeared to be written by a 5th grader (unless the diary was purported to belong to a 5th grader). But this is the kind of dreck you have to slog through when you're dealing with the explosion in publishing.

/read another one that talked about the "robot hoard" instead of "horde"
//written by someone who claims to be a professor of literature


oh come now. i went and got the book based on a recommendation in this thread. about 30 pages into it.... it isn't that poorly written. it is written in the style of a normal guy that obviously never spent alot of time trying to be writer, just a guy recording shiat that happened. it isn't the best thing I have ever read but it is short and so far is actually pretty decent, as far as pulp fiction goes.

Want to read some poorly written zombie fiction? Both novels produced by the Walking Dead phenomenon are poorly written. good stories, written by a guy that really needs to hone his craft.
 
2012-11-07 05:27:16 PM

frepnog: T.M.S.: The Crepes of Wrath: fusillade762: I'd also like to recommend these books for zombie lovers:

Day by Day Armageddon? Really? The writing was awful -- the author's grasp of the English language is tenuous, at best. He doesn't even know the difference between "shuttered" (what he wrote) and "shuddered" (what he should have written).

It was written as a diary. Complaining about the use of language is like complaining about the cinematography of the Blair Witch Project.

But I agree it is a shiatty book. Not as bad as some of the others and I give him marks for accomplishing it but its kinda crappy.

crap. and i just went and got the book based on the recommendation in this thread. now i have misgivings.


Eh. Read it and decide for yourself. I enjoyed it.
 
2012-11-07 05:55:54 PM
I'm about 20 pages to the end... my wife loved LOVED LURVED the book... and I think it's just ok.


/dear god what is wrong with me
 
2012-11-07 09:11:20 PM

LDM90: kroonermanblack: WTF Indeed: Book: A real science-based account of how the world would react to a plague.
Movie: ZOMG Zombies! Brad Pitt will save us! Thank Jesus Brad Pitt!

It's not science based. It's realistic bent of speculative fiction. It's no more factual than National Treasure is a historic accuracy.

So ready for the zombies everywhere thing to be done. It was fun and cool for a little while but it's just so insanely over saturating everything now.

I bet ghosts are next. Mummies can have their turn in a couple more years.


I'm sick to shiat of the ghosts already. They have taken over every channel on cable as it is. Even farking Animal Planet is half ghost programs now - WTF?

Now mummies? I'd be okay with that.
 
2012-11-08 03:18:59 AM
Dear god, so many tards assuming an infinite supply of gasoline and spare parts for tanks and ground attack aircraft. In a world where millions of people who used to make those things and operate them are now shuffling zombies.

I'm pissed that this became a movie before Y: The Last Man. I love both stories, but Y came first. Maybe this means Y still has a chance of becoming a proper mini-series as it deserves. And being cast with Chris Gorham as Yorick.
 
2012-11-08 11:52:47 AM

Saiga410: indarwinsshadow: born_yesterday: It's about time someone made a zombie movie!

OR a television series. You know. And it should have a really annoying kid. And a wife who screwed around and you'd wish she'd shut the hell up. Yeah and a redneck. That'd be cool. And maybe AMC should...what...oh never mind.

When are they going to start offering zombie based video games? I want to both a FPS where I have to survive a zombie apocolypse against other gamers and griefers, and I want a very dramtic narative adventure game.


Arma 2 DayZ would like to meet you... Oh wait that was the joke... I apolagize.
 
2012-11-08 11:55:53 PM
To those who don't understand why hardcore WW:Z fans are mad:

Imagine if Donald Trump bought the Mona Lisa, then had it painted over as the likeness of Pamela Andersen, with big fake tits and everything, then he hired Peter North to fark the painting live on Pay-Per-View, with gratuitous spooge shot and everything and then for the finale they burned the painting.
Then, for months afterward, Donald Trump bragged about how the whole thing made him $20 million and he'd never heard of this "Mocha Lisa" before he bought it.
 
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