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2012-11-06 08:24:36 AM
Aw. No VW New Beetle. Otherwise great list, non slide-show.
 
2012-11-06 08:46:18 AM
Pretty much all the cars I though of reading Subby's headline. Except the Aztec.
 
2012-11-06 09:17:45 AM
Ford Thunderbird.

And the Saturn Sky, despite being the same car as the Pontiac Solstice, was infinitely better looking.
 
2012-11-06 09:20:26 AM
Too bad the Solstice was ended before it was really developed. The coupe was tremendous looking at the GXP had an incredible drivetrain when given a mild tune. It suffered from a horrible interior though. I almost bought one a few months back but couldn't see myself living with that interior.
 
2012-11-06 09:24:33 AM
At least with the Pontiac Aztec you can pretend like you're Walter White.
 
2012-11-06 09:24:48 AM
oh, another car blog post devoted to bashing domestics? Shocking.
 
2012-11-06 09:25:17 AM
Counterpoint: Morgan Aero8 & Caterham Super7

I agree on all points in the article, and everything GavinTheAlmighty said.
 
2012-11-06 09:28:17 AM

antidisestablishmentarianism: Pretty much all the cars I though of reading Subby's headline. Except the Aztec.


I think a lot of people want to forget the Aztec. My sister may be the only person who liked the look (and bought one). Sadly, one sale wasn't enough to keep the line alive.

/agree with the HHR - the only car with a windshield so small only midgets can drive it comfortably. I've only met 2 people who bought them with their own money. It's either a fleet vehicle or a rental.
 
2012-11-06 09:28:51 AM
What no Nissan Cube? I mean seriously did the design go, "Hey I like boxes, let's make a box on wheels and we will call it the Cube."
 
2012-11-06 09:33:59 AM
CSB:

About ten years ago a school mate and I were driving back from the movies and there was a billboard that said the loot jackpot was like $80million. He said "If I won that, first thing I would do is buy a PT Cruiser." I had to pull the car over because I laughed so hard. I asked why and he said "Those are awesome cars!" I laughed some more and pointed out that I was driving a six year old Kia and going to a PT Cruiser would be a step down.

My wife's two brothers both drive PT Cruisers. Every time we speak they tell me of a new problem their car has. For the one who bought his car first I have sympathy. For the one who bought his car years after his brother bought his and shelled out all the money on repairs, I just call him a dumbass for financing a car that he knows is a lemon.
 
2012-11-06 09:36:38 AM
I wouldn't have owned a PT Cruiser, but many people liked its look and utility and it sold over a million units. All the reviews I ever read of it listed the PT as an all-around adequate drive in many cases slightly better than comparable corssovers. I guess I just don't understand the enduring hate.
 
2012-11-06 09:45:02 AM

Slaves2Darkness: What no Nissan Cube? I mean seriously did the design go, "Hey I like boxes, let's make a box on wheels and we will call it the Cube."


A better Nissan classic-redux, the 1991 Figaro:

farm6.staticflickr.com
 
2012-11-06 09:47:21 AM

Great Janitor: CSB:

About ten years ago a school mate and I were driving back from the movies and there was a billboard that said the loot jackpot was like $80million. He said "If I won that, first thing I would do is buy a PT Cruiser." I had to pull the car over because I laughed so hard. I asked why and he said "Those are awesome cars!" I laughed some more and pointed out that I was driving a six year old Kia and going to a PT Cruiser would be a step down.

My wife's two brothers both drive PT Cruisers. Every time we speak they tell me of a new problem their car has. For the one who bought his car first I have sympathy. For the one who bought his car years after his brother bought his and shelled out all the money on repairs, I just call him a dumbass for financing a car that he knows is a lemon.


Aww shiat. You just summoned Kurmudgeon.

/my sister also has a broke-ass PT Cruiser
 
2012-11-06 09:53:29 AM
I used to want a DeLorean, but now I want this.

moviecitynews.comwww.ooyay.comimcdb.org
 
2012-11-06 10:02:58 AM

Bleyo: Great Janitor: CSB:

About ten years ago a school mate and I were driving back from the movies and there was a billboard that said the loot jackpot was like $80million. He said "If I won that, first thing I would do is buy a PT Cruiser." I had to pull the car over because I laughed so hard. I asked why and he said "Those are awesome cars!" I laughed some more and pointed out that I was driving a six year old Kia and going to a PT Cruiser would be a step down.

My wife's two brothers both drive PT Cruisers. Every time we speak they tell me of a new problem their car has. For the one who bought his car first I have sympathy. For the one who bought his car years after his brother bought his and shelled out all the money on repairs, I just call him a dumbass for financing a car that he knows is a lemon.

Aww shiat. You just summoned Kurmudgeon.

/my sister also has a broke-ass PT Cruiser


I had a Dodge Neon which has the same drive train as a PT Cruiser. I bought it new in 95 and it was trouble from the get go. Two months after purchace the fuel injectors broke, not clogged, broke. I took it to the dealer and they tried to say it wasn't covered under warranty. I told them that I would invoke the state lemon law and make them give me my money back so they fixed it. And that was just the start... What a piece of Shiat! And the worst thing was I traded a Chevy S10 pick up that I loved for it. As soon as my son was old enough to not ride in a car seat I traded the Neon for a GMC Sierra SLE. I do not miss the Neon.
 
2012-11-06 10:06:04 AM
Oops. Broke the site.
 
2012-11-06 10:16:56 AM

syberpud: antidisestablishmentarianism: Pretty much all the cars I though of reading Subby's headline. Except the Aztec.

I think a lot of people want to forget the Aztec. My sister may be the only person who liked the look (and bought one). Sadly, one sale wasn't enough to keep the line alive.


Ames, IA is full of Azteks. And by "full" I mean there are about eight of them around town. George White must've had a helluva sale.
 
2012-11-06 10:27:32 AM
Retro done right:

i236.photobucket.com

The inspiration:

farm6.static.flickr.com
 
2012-11-06 10:37:18 AM

Sybarite: I wouldn't have owned a PT Cruiser, but many people liked its look and utility and it sold over a million units. All the reviews I ever read of it listed the PT as an all-around adequate drive in many cases slightly better than comparable corssovers. I guess I just don't understand the enduring hate.

 

cdn0.sbnation.com
 
2012-11-06 10:47:04 AM

Edward_Lapine: At least with the Pontiac Aztec you can pretend like you're Walter White.


i saw the aztec in photos long before i finally saw one in person. i thought it was a car-sized vehicle that competed with a subaru 4wd wagon -- in that case it didn't look too bad.

but it turned out to be SUV-sized and looked terrible.
 
2012-11-06 10:49:18 AM

telkinsjr: Too bad the Solstice was ended before it was really developed. The coupe was tremendous looking at the GXP had an incredible drivetrain when given a mild tune. It suffered from a horrible interior though. I almost bought one a few months back but couldn't see myself living with that interior.


i wish GM had trimmed Pontiac back to 2 or 3 models instead of culling it
 
2012-11-06 10:52:48 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Retro done right:

[i236.photobucket.com image 640x480]

The inspiration:

[farm6.static.flickr.com image 500x332]


I'd say these were done nicely as well:
www.theautolog.com
www.allfordmustangs.com
 
2012-11-06 10:53:54 AM
Make a good car, then make it so good that you get to keep making it for 30 years, thereby effectively making it retro
 
2012-11-06 10:54:48 AM

loonatic112358: telkinsjr: Too bad the Solstice was ended before it was really developed. The coupe was tremendous looking at the GXP had an incredible drivetrain when given a mild tune. It suffered from a horrible interior though. I almost bought one a few months back but couldn't see myself living with that interior.

i wish GM had trimmed Pontiac back to 2 or 3 models instead of culling it


I never quite understood GM's obsession with putting out 4-5 different brands on what was basically the same car. It doesn't seem to do any good to have your own brands competing with each other.

I liked the Solstice (the Sky looked better), but I think the Miata was better than the base model and the S2000 was better than the turbo. I still like the G8 - great car all around (except for maybe the fuel economy). Other than that, I can't think of anything with a Pontiac badge that I would have considered, so I guess your 2-3 models would have been a good idea. Would have ticked off the dealers, but they did that anyway when they axed the brand.
 
2012-11-06 10:56:42 AM

Bukharin: I used to want a DeLorean, but now I want this.

[moviecitynews.com image 350x261][www.ooyay.com image 576x432][imcdb.org image 850x459]


I had a friend who owned a Messerschmidt. It was totally ridiculous to drive.
 
2012-11-06 11:01:14 AM
www.slipperybrick.com
 
2012-11-06 11:01:18 AM
I always liked the prowler.

www.fastlanecars.com
 
2012-11-06 11:01:33 AM
Also, I have never understood the hate for Prowlers. Granted, the first time I saw one was when I was in junior high and had been living most of my life riding around in my parents' Taurus, but still, I don't see why everyone things they're such terrible cars. Is it the power issue mentioned in the article? Because there are fixes for that...
 
2012-11-06 11:03:33 AM

Bukharin: I used to want a DeLorean, but now I want this.

[moviecitynews.com image 350x261][www.ooyay.com image 576x432][imcdb.org image 850x459]


I want one of these:

homepage.ntlworld.com
 
2012-11-06 11:04:00 AM
images.thecarconnection.com
 
2012-11-06 11:04:06 AM

potato_chip_eating_geek: I always liked the prowler.

[www.fastlanecars.com image 850x564]


Well hey there fellow Prowler liker! *high-five*
 
2012-11-06 11:05:02 AM
I don't know why they bothered to offer security systems for the Pontiac Ass-tick. The exterior on that car is its own theft prevention.
 
2012-11-06 11:05:11 AM

syberpud: antidisestablishmentarianism: Pretty much all the cars I though of reading Subby's headline. Except the Aztec.

I think a lot of people want to forget the Aztec. My sister may be the only person who liked the look (and bought one). Sadly, one sale wasn't enough to keep the line alive.

/agree with the HHR - the only car with a windshield so small only midgets can drive it comfortably. I've only met 2 people who bought them with their own money. It's either a fleet vehicle or a rental.


I'm not a overly huge person, only 5'10" 230# But the one time I was given an HHR as a rental at the dealership, I physically could not fit in the driver's seat. The outer lumbar section pads were lined up on my Erector spinæ muscles and I could not press against the seat back. My head was also resting on the headliner with the seat extended fully back. Ugh.. those things suck.
 
2012-11-06 11:05:50 AM

StrangeQ: Also, I have never understood the hate for Prowlers. Granted, the first time I saw one was when I was in junior high and had been living most of my life riding around in my parents' Taurus, but still, I don't see why everyone things they're such terrible cars. Is it the power issue mentioned in the article? Because there are fixes for that...


There are fixes for everything with cars. i think the point was that they shouldn't have to be fixed, they probably should have done it right in the first place instead of using more plastic than a Playboy centerfold and putting in an underpowered engine into something being presented as a retro sports/muscle car.
 
2012-11-06 11:07:03 AM

Lost Thought 00: Make a good car, then make it so good that you get to keep making it for 30 years, thereby effectively making it retro


Only 15 more years to go and my truck will be... nevermind, it's a Ranger. It's always going to look like a Ranger.
 
2012-11-06 11:08:14 AM

StrangeQ: Also, I have never understood the hate for Prowlers. Granted, the first time I saw one was when I was in junior high and had been living most of my life riding around in my parents' Taurus, but still, I don't see why everyone things they're such terrible cars. Is it the power issue mentioned in the article? Because there are fixes for that...


mostly the (lack of) power. Weak transmission, so slapping on a supercharger wasn't an upgrade option. ZERO trunk room--they sold matching trailers for those who wanted to transport more than a pair of socks, and a poorly-engineered canvas top that leaked like a sieve

I always thought they looked neat, if they had put the Viper V-10 in that little thing it would have been a beast.
 
2012-11-06 11:13:34 AM
weird, all 5 articles are about cars. Actually there should be a car tab. My only biatch about the article is that the Solstice was a pretty cool looking car when it had the v8.
 
2012-11-06 11:14:34 AM

Timmy the Tumor: StrangeQ: Also, I have never understood the hate for Prowlers. Granted, the first time I saw one was when I was in junior high and had been living most of my life riding around in my parents' Taurus, but still, I don't see why everyone things they're such terrible cars. Is it the power issue mentioned in the article? Because there are fixes for that...

mostly the (lack of) power. Weak transmission, so slapping on a supercharger wasn't an upgrade option. ZERO trunk room--they sold matching trailers for those who wanted to transport more than a pair of socks, and a poorly-engineered canvas top that leaked like a sieve

I always thought they looked neat, if they had put the Viper V-10 in that little thing it would have been a beast.


Also their tops leaked like a sieve. They were definitely meant to be garage kept, fair-weather only cars.
 
2012-11-06 11:22:31 AM

WordsnCollision: Slaves2Darkness: What no Nissan Cube? I mean seriously did the design go, "Hey I like boxes, let's make a box on wheels and we will call it the Cube."

A better Nissan classic-redux, the 1991 Figaro:

[farm6.staticflickr.com image 640x429]


9 wheel nuts? really?

/one of the Ford trucks 150/250light had 7 wheel nuts circa 1998.
 
2012-11-06 11:25:09 AM
StrangeQ

Also, I have never understood the hate for Prowlers. Granted, the first time I saw one was when I was in junior high and had been living most of my life riding around in my parents' Taurus, but still, I don't see why everyone things they're such terrible cars. Is it the power issue mentioned in the article? Because there are fixes for that...

So the answer is to spend 40+k and then more money to "fix" your brand new car?


/// i just think they're butt ugly.
 
2012-11-06 11:27:17 AM
In high school, one of the other kids on the football team got a Prowler from his dad for his birthday. It was sort of neat. But after a few months the novelty wore off, even with a bunch of poor high school kids.
 
2012-11-06 11:27:21 AM

potato_chip_eating_geek: I always liked the prowler.

[www.fastlanecars.com image 850x564]


I always liked how Prowlers looked, but I've heard lots of horror stories about actually owning one. I liked the Solstice, too. It's a chick car, but it looks pretty cool.
 
2012-11-06 11:29:00 AM
My wife has a PT. And I hate it. But she really wanted it, and I don't have to drive it that much so meh.

But when we bought it from CarMax they had to do a repair and needed to hold on to it for a couple of days. They gave us a loaner.... HHR.

Now THAT is the worst vehicle I've ever driven. Too small inside. All of the windows are tiny. And I dare say that it is slower (in all ways) that even the PT. The Aztec looks worse, but having never driven it I have to put the HHR at the top (bottom?) of my all-time worst cars ever list.
 
2012-11-06 11:33:57 AM

eKonk: loonatic112358: telkinsjr:
I never quite understood GM's obsession with putting out 4-5 different brands on what was basically the same car. It doesn't seem to do any good to have your own brands competing with each other.


it works for Volkswagen.

also for BMW, but instead of brands, different models are actually variations of the same car. the BMW 5 series, 5 series GT, 6 series, and 7 series are all the same.

VW is actually doing a matrix strategy: multiple variations of the same car across the brand, and across several brands. and with the same engines across the board.
 
2012-11-06 11:38:56 AM

lokis_mentor: I'm not a overly huge person, only 5'10" 230# But the one time I was given an HHR as a rental at the dealership, I physically could not fit in the driver's seat.


Really? I'm 6'1 and 245# and I've been using an HHR as a rental the last week. I fit fine in the driver's seat but I will say they could have made the front window a bit larger. The rental I had before that one was a Ford Fiesta... yeah not made for anyone over 5'8, great on gas though.
 
2012-11-06 11:42:55 AM
I love my Cruiser. It's paid for, and other than the idiot light staying on all the friggin time, it runs fine. It has a lot more room than people realize, so no one ever wants to borrow it or carpool in it.
 
2012-11-06 11:44:56 AM
I like the Solstice and damn what any of you think.
 
2012-11-06 11:50:44 AM

Sybarite: I wouldn't have owned a PT Cruiser, but many people liked its look and utility and it sold over a million units. All the reviews I ever read of it listed the PT as an all-around adequate drive in many cases slightly better than comparable corssovers. I guess I just don't understand the enduring hate.


I think the hate stems from the fact that this was supposed to be a retro styled, cool, hatchback, but it just sort of became a mini mom-mobile. The car just seems to lack any sort of street cred. Sort of like how the beetle and miata became "chick cars."
 
2012-11-06 11:51:15 AM

stupiddream: Bleyo: Great Janitor: CSB:


I had a Dodge Neon which has the same drive train as a PT Cruiser. I bought it new in 95 and it was trouble from the get go. Two months after purchace the fuel injectors broke, not clogged, broke. I took it to the dealer and they tried to say it wasn't covered under warranty. I told them that I would invoke the state lemon law and make them give me my money back so they fixed it. And that was just the start... What a piece of Shiat! And the worst thing was I traded a Chevy S10 pick up that I loved for it. As soon as my son was old enough to not ride in a car seat I traded the Neon for a GMC Sierra SLE. I do not miss the Neon.


My sister owned a Neon. Dodge had tried some new type of paint, I think - and after about a year it started bubbling up and flaking off. After two years, the thing looked like it had leprosy.
 
2012-11-06 11:54:37 AM
Prowler means "looks fast, goes slow" in the ancient Plymouth tongue.
 
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