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(The New York Times)   In the midst of increasing GOP criticism, Nate Silver posts his final forecast update: Oh, I'm afraid President Obama will be quite re-elected, when your talking points arrive   (fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com) divider line 47
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2012-11-06 08:27:19 AM
8 votes:
Well, I just went to TrueFreedomF-150JesusPoll.org and they're using actual science to prove that Romney is going to win with 1,076 Electoral Votes AND that he'll win the popular vote six billion to zero, as people around the world hold spontaneous elections demanding a Romney presidency and giving the Republicans a majority of 15,265-0 in the House.

Of course, they'll still blame Democrat obstructionism on that abortion ban they keep promising, but...
2012-11-06 09:08:06 AM
6 votes:

Thunderpipes: Sucky thing is, 7% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits, 2% growth is the new America under Democrat rule, and you guys love it. I have a one year old, he will have to contend with 30-40 trillion dollars of US debt by the time he is in college.


LOL... you think your kid gets into college?
2012-11-06 09:08:25 AM
5 votes:

bulldg4life: The fact that a former vulture capitalist who has been running for President for 7 years, has changed his opinion on every major electoral issue within the past 10 years, has not outlined a definitive budget plan past mathematically impossible platitudes, declared disdain for half the country, and lied repeatedly to the point where his lies aren't even newsworthy anymore is going to get more than 2% of the vote is quite disturbing.

The fact that people are openly advocating FOR him to be President is just plain scary.


I think we know why.

3.bp.blogspot.com
2012-11-06 09:09:55 AM
4 votes:
I'm going to spend the day posting pictures of Guy Fawkes and complaining about how people are too stupid to vote for Gary Johnson. Who's with me?
2012-11-06 08:51:46 AM
4 votes:

Even With A Chainsaw: MemeSlave: Headso: I hope the guy is right, supreme court justice appointees alone are a reason to fear a bishop president.

As opposed to a Catholic one? Or a Muslim? Or a Jew?

Or a queen, king, knight, rook, pawn?


i.imgur.com
2012-11-06 09:16:44 AM
3 votes:

Thunderpipes: eiger: Thunderpipes: I think Obama will win.

Sucky thing is, 7% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits, 2% growth is the new America under Democrat rule, and you guys love it. I have a one year old, he will have to contend with 30-40 trillion dollars of US debt by the time he is in college.

Just too many lazy, stupid young people around, and they breed much faster than working people. Democrats give money to people in exchange for votes, get elected, and the cycle repeats. We are Greece within a decade, but much more heavily armed.

Odd. B/c if you look at the actual numbers since World War II, it's the republicans who have been fiscally profligate with their tax cuts. Democratic presidents generally try to pay for their programs. But you go on believing the stories you've been told rather than the actual facts.

Facts are Obama just added 6 trillion to the debt in 4 years, and the outlook means at least another 4 if he gets elected. Facts are we have terribly growth, terrible unemployment, entitlement spending is exploding, and people are dropping out of the work force.

math does not lie. In no way can anything about the economy be called good. And Republicans had nothing to do with the housing crisis which caused the recession, no matter how much you want it to. We are done, period. At a certain point, you just cannot recover. Interest payments alone on the debt are now 350 billion a year I believer. 4 more years of Bambam it will be at 500 billion. Will just go up from there. Can tax the rich all you want, won't make a dent and will just slow growth.

Fact that Obama is even in the race shows how far we have fallen as a country. Think about it, you tools are orgasmic to vote for a President who is responsible for the worst financial outlook for the country in your life. Its like you want to be kicked in the junk. Half of college grads can't get a decent job, and you still orgasm over Obama? Just nuts.


Is this a thing?
2012-11-06 09:13:03 AM
3 votes:

Thunderpipes: ....And Republicans had nothing to do with the housing crisis which caused the recession....


In the future, if you're wondering, this is when I decided to put you on ignore.
2012-11-06 09:08:53 AM
3 votes:
i309.photobucket.com
2012-11-06 08:48:52 AM
3 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Well, I just went to TrueFreedomF-150JesusPoll.org and they're using actual science to prove that Romney is going to win with 1,076 Electoral Votes AND that he'll win the popular vote six billion to zero, as people around the world hold spontaneous elections demanding a Romney presidency and giving the Republicans a majority of 15,265-0 in the House.

Of course, they'll still blame Democrat obstructionism on that abortion ban they keep promising, but...


I went to "truefreedomf-150jesuspoll.org" so that I can keep my hopes up for a Romney victory but I got this instead... "Firefox can't find the server at truefreedomf-150jesuspoll.org."

YOU LIE. Why would you keep my hopes up with a fake link? 

I'm predicting Romney wins every state except for that Chinese communist state of Hawaii.
2012-11-06 02:58:37 AM
3 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: "All of this leaves Mr. Romney drawing to an inside straight. I hope you'll excuse the cliche, but it's appropriate here: in poker, making an inside straight requires you to catch one of 4 cards out of 48 remaining in the deck, the chances of which are about 8 percent. Those are now about Mr. Romney's chances of winning the Electoral College, according to the FiveThirtyEight forecast"


Which makes it a good time to put the GOP "all-in" because you know those fish will call.
2012-11-06 10:49:52 AM
2 votes:
Thunderpipes's kid isn't going to college and will probably fark a relative.
2012-11-06 10:40:26 AM
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: I understand this is a far left message board,


There are some intelligent, insightful conservative posters here. They just aren't you.
2012-11-06 10:08:17 AM
2 votes:

Sock Ruh Tease: Even With A Chainsaw: MemeSlave: Headso: I hope the guy is right, supreme court justice appointees alone are a reason to fear a bishop president.

As opposed to a Catholic one? Or a Muslim? Or a Jew?

Or a queen, king, knight, rook, pawn?

[i.imgur.com image 328x640]


imageshack.us
2012-11-06 09:44:20 AM
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: eiger: Thunderpipes: I think Obama will win.

Sucky thing is, 7% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits, 2% growth is the new America under Democrat rule, and you guys love it. I have a one year old, he will have to contend with 30-40 trillion dollars of US debt by the time he is in college.

Just too many lazy, stupid young people around, and they breed much faster than working people. Democrats give money to people in exchange for votes, get elected, and the cycle repeats. We are Greece within a decade, but much more heavily armed.

Odd. B/c if you look at the actual numbers since World War II, it's the republicans who have been fiscally profligate with their tax cuts. Democratic presidents generally try to pay for their programs. But you go on believing the stories you've been told rather than the actual facts.

Facts are Obama just added 6 trillion to the debt in 4 years, and the outlook means at least another 4 if he gets elected. Facts are we have terribly growth, terrible unemployment, entitlement spending is exploding, and people are dropping out of the work force.

math does not lie. In no way can anything about the economy be called good. And Republicans had nothing to do with the housing crisis which caused the recession, no matter how much you want it to. We are done, period. At a certain point, you just cannot recover. Interest payments alone on the debt are now 350 billion a year I believer. 4 more years of Bambam it will be at 500 billion. Will just go up from there. Can tax the rich all you want, won't make a dent and will just slow growth.

Fact that Obama is even in the race shows how far we have fallen as a country. Think about it, you tools are orgasmic to vote for a President who is responsible for the worst financial outlook for the country in your life. Its like you want to be kicked in the junk. Half of college grads can't get a decent job, and you still orgasm over Obama? Just nuts.


I feel ya. I feel it deep in my heart that Romney has the stones and deep personal strength of character and conviction to put this country on the right track, but we all just openly mock him. Maybe it's that weird jealousy, where someone is so superior to you, that you immediately attack out of some reptilian mind kind of way, to try and level the playing field. Romney is much better than we could ever hope for, and we'll be spanking ourselves later.


/amidointhisshiatrite?
2012-11-06 09:04:50 AM
2 votes:

eiger: Thunderpipes: I think Obama will win.

Sucky thing is, 7% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits, 2% growth is the new America under Democrat rule, and you guys love it. I have a one year old, he will have to contend with 30-40 trillion dollars of US debt by the time he is in college.

Just too many lazy, stupid young people around, and they breed much faster than working people. Democrats give money to people in exchange for votes, get elected, and the cycle repeats. We are Greece within a decade, but much more heavily armed.

Odd. B/c if you look at the actual numbers since World War II, it's the republicans who have been fiscally profligate with their tax cuts. Democratic presidents generally try to pay for their programs. But you go on believing the stories you've been told rather than the actual facts.


Facts are Obama just added 6 trillion to the debt in 4 years, and the outlook means at least another 4 if he gets elected. Facts are we have terribly growth, terrible unemployment, entitlement spending is exploding, and people are dropping out of the work force.

math does not lie. In no way can anything about the economy be called good. And Republicans had nothing to do with the housing crisis which caused the recession, no matter how much you want it to. We are done, period. At a certain point, you just cannot recover. Interest payments alone on the debt are now 350 billion a year I believer. 4 more years of Bambam it will be at 500 billion. Will just go up from there. Can tax the rich all you want, won't make a dent and will just slow growth.

Fact that Obama is even in the race shows how far we have fallen as a country. Think about it, you tools are orgasmic to vote for a President who is responsible for the worst financial outlook for the country in your life. Its like you want to be kicked in the junk. Half of college grads can't get a decent job, and you still orgasm over Obama? Just nuts.
2012-11-06 09:04:04 AM
2 votes:
Exit polls here (takes a while to load)
2012-11-06 08:50:56 AM
2 votes:

MemeSlave: Headso: I hope the guy is right, supreme court justice appointees alone are a reason to fear a bishop president.

As opposed to a Catholic one? Or a Muslim? Or a Jew?


Or a queen, king, knight, rook, pawn?
2012-11-06 08:17:21 AM
2 votes:
"I have a bad feeling about this..."

"That's no moon...that's Obama's campaign bus!"
2012-11-06 01:55:00 PM
1 votes:

hugram: Thunderpipes: ... math does not lie. In no way can anything about the economy be called good...

Fact that Obama is even in the race shows how far we have fallen as a country. Think about it, you tools are orgasmic to vote for a President who is responsible for the worst financial outlook for the country in your life. Its like you want to be kicked in the junk. Half of college grads can't get a decent job, and you still orgasm over Obama? Just nuts.

Horrific math and such below...

In case you don't remember the financial crisis, here is an article explaining the financial crisis timeline, which started on Feb of 2007.

A basic illustration of what was going on in late 2008...
[budget.senate.gov image 776x600]

A link showing a few newspaper headlines during the crisis...

A few September 2008 links from CNBC

Anyway, those scary headlines are no longer appearing.

Maybe it is because GDP performance during the Obama Administration has gone into positive growth.
[www.tradingeconomics.com image 700x300]

Many US corporate profits after tax are at an all-time high.
[research.stlouisfed.org image 630x378]

US stock markets performance during the Obama Administration...
DOW in 01/20/2009: 7,949.09
DOW in 11/01/2012: 13,232.62
Rate of Return: 66.47%

S&P 500 in 01/20/2009: 805.22
S&P 500 in 11/01/2012: 1,427.59
Rate of Return: 77.29%

NASDAQ in 01/20/2009: 1,440.86
NASDAQ in 11/01/2012: 3,020.06
Rate of Return: 109.60%


US stock markets performance since hitting the bottom on March 9th of 2009...
DOW in 03/09/2009: 6,547.05
DOW in 11/01/2012: 13,232.62
Rate of Return: 102.12%

S&P 500 in 03/09/2009: 676.53
S&P 500 in 11/01/2012: 1,427.59
Rate of Return: 111.02%

NASDAQ in 03/09/2009: 1,268.64
NASDAQ in 11/01/2012: 3,020.06
Rate of Return: 138.05%

Private jobs hemorrhage slowed down during the Obama Administration and eventually went into positive territory.
[farm9.staticflickr.com image 658x412]

Unemployment claims has been dropping, especially since the start ...


Marry me. Pump me full of your gametes this instant.
2012-11-06 01:32:46 PM
1 votes:
Am I going to have to post the actual bookie odds? OK. Ladbrokes has Obama at 1.20, +6 over the other guy.
2012-11-06 12:08:35 PM
1 votes:
Does Nate use some kind of Monte Carlo method to process the poll info and arrive at his results?

With a picture of a Monte Cristo sandwich so my tiny question does not get lost:

www.mightysweet.com

You are welcome.
2012-11-06 10:40:07 AM
1 votes:

INeedAName: Robots are Strong: I see Nate hedged ever so slightly at the end of his long commitment to liberal ascendancy. If he's wrong, he says he will have to "reexamine" his assumptions.

What he will need to reexamine is his overarching trust that conservatives cannot foster big turnouts through commitment and enthusiasm.

If he is wrong, Nate should not even be around any longer to reexamine anything. He will have proved that he, as Obama, is grossly incompetent at anything except telling a liberal audience and editors what they want to hear. He ought to be as unemployed as the millions of Americans who are victims of the Obama non-recovery.

The editors of the Times should have to reexamine who will replace him, and how they will rebuild their own reputation and loss of standing to FoxNews as the leading enlightened observers of the American political scene.

There is more than the oval office on the line here.

Brilliant post. Well done sir. You said all of the idiotic things an actual Republican thinks, and with a straight face too, as if you actually believed them yourself. I'm impressed.


Thanks! If I had to actually type that out I almost definitely couldn't have done it, but I can't make any claims to it. It was just the newest comment at 538 when I read the article. I was impressed too.
2012-11-06 10:31:55 AM
1 votes:

crazyeddie: Thunderpipes: So what will the liberal argument be in 2016 when the debt is 20-22 trillion? Can't wait to see that...

So no response to hugram's post, then? No rejoinder for the wall of facts that contradicts you at every turn? Ok then. If you can't play by the rules of civil and moral discourse, where each side actually presents evidence and reasons for believing things, then you can be dismissed for what we all know you are.

Either address the facts, or keep snivelling. The choice is yours. Do you have the backbone to do the right thing?


Nobody made any logical argument whatsoever, when they do, I respond.
2012-11-06 10:16:56 AM
1 votes:

Leeds: Who the f**k is Nate Silver and why has fark begun to mention him 20 times a day?

Did he even exist before this week?


I was gonna ask the same thing, then I read the thread and how you got flamed by the herpa derp crowd that wouldn't answer your question.

Thanks for posting the answer you had to go find for yourself.

Now I get the impresstion that is an eerily accurate statistician that came from the world of baseball (which is crazy about statistics). Welcome to my favorites list with the tag line "Guy willing to take the hit for asking the obvious questions I was about to."
2012-11-06 10:12:06 AM
1 votes:

Robots are Strong: I see Nate hedged ever so slightly at the end of his long commitment to liberal ascendancy. If he's wrong, he says he will have to "reexamine" his assumptions.

What he will need to reexamine is his overarching trust that conservatives cannot foster big turnouts through commitment and enthusiasm.

If he is wrong, Nate should not even be around any longer to reexamine anything. He will have proved that he, as Obama, is grossly incompetent at anything except telling a liberal audience and editors what they want to hear. He ought to be as unemployed as the millions of Americans who are victims of the Obama non-recovery.

The editors of the Times should have to reexamine who will replace him, and how they will rebuild their own reputation and loss of standing to FoxNews as the leading enlightened observers of the American political scene.

There is more than the oval office on the line here.


You do realize that a Romney victory doesn't disprove Silver in any way, shape, or form, right? Or do you not understand probabilities?
2012-11-06 10:10:44 AM
1 votes:

Robots are Strong: I see Nate hedged ever so slightly at the end of his long commitment to liberal ascendancy. If he's wrong, he says he will have to "reexamine" his assumptions.

What he will need to reexamine is his overarching trust that conservatives cannot foster big turnouts through commitment and enthusiasm.

If he is wrong, Nate should not even be around any longer to reexamine anything. He will have proved that he, as Obama, is grossly incompetent at anything except telling a liberal audience and editors what they want to hear. He ought to be as unemployed as the millions of Americans who are victims of the Obama non-recovery.

The editors of the Times should have to reexamine who will replace him, and how they will rebuild their own reputation and loss of standing to FoxNews as the leading enlightened observers of the American political scene.

There is more than the oval office on the line here.


Brilliant post. Well done sir. You said all of the idiotic things an actual Republican thinks, and with a straight face too, as if you actually believed them yourself. I'm impressed.
2012-11-06 10:08:21 AM
1 votes:
I'm shocked -- SHOCKED -- that a guy who's whole identity revolves around his big, dopey motorcycle ("Thunderpipes", LOL) isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer politically. :-)
2012-11-06 09:51:09 AM
1 votes:
Looks like tomorrow's headline is going to be "Truman Defeats Dewey"
2012-11-06 09:34:47 AM
1 votes:

ChuDogg: Thunderpipes: I think Obama will win.

Sucky thing is, 7% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits, 2% growth is the new America under Democrat rule, and you guys love it. I have a one year old, he will have to contend with 30-40 trillion dollars of US debt by the time he is in college.

Just too many lazy, stupid young people around, and they breed much faster than working people. Democrats give money to people in exchange for votes, get elected, and the cycle repeats. We are Greece within a decade, but much more heavily armed.

Obama will leave office 20 trillion in debt. It will be interesting the years 2018 to 2028, when the glut of these bonds get bought back. Interest rates will skyrocket to sell new treasury bonds and the bulk of US economic policy will be towards controlling interest rates, at the expense of the economy. Plus, that's about the time the SSA will begin selling their bond holdings back to the government.

I'm not voting as neither one is going to return to solvency. Almost as if it is part of the plan. I imagine we will officially be ruled by a cabal of international investors who take half of our wealth in interest payments. I can't imagine how any feels hopeful or optmistic during this election. The numbers speak for themself. There is no turning back.


Go cry in the corner, emo boy.
2012-11-06 09:31:40 AM
1 votes:

Leeds: Evidently it's because I don't read the New York Times.

// I just googled him, evidently he's one of those NYT folks.


He did baseball statistics prior to turning his attention to political statistics. He's so accurate that in the middle ages he'd probably have been accused of witchcraft. The move of his political statistics bloc, fivethirtyeight, was a relatively recent thing and his analysis factored heavily into reporting for the not only this election but the last two election cycles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_Silver
2012-11-06 09:30:55 AM
1 votes:

depmode98: trillions of dollars that were spent in obamas first time that added to the debt came in the form of the glorious wars the Republicans started. Now as an added bonus, you can pretend it was Democrats fault for having to spend the money for cleaning that shiat up.


Well, Obama should have kept it off the books like Bush did! Then it wouldn't have counted! Duh!
2012-11-06 09:28:59 AM
1 votes:

Sock Ruh Tease: Even With A Chainsaw: MemeSlave: Headso: I hope the guy is right, supreme court justice appointees alone are a reason to fear a bishop president.

As opposed to a Catholic one? Or a Muslim? Or a Jew?

Or a queen, king, knight, rook, pawn?

[i.imgur.com image 328x640]


I was kind of hoping Ryan would be a chip from checkers.
2012-11-06 09:27:40 AM
1 votes:

Leeds: Evidently it's because I don't read the New York Times.

// I just googled him, evidently he's one of those NYT folks.


you must have seen articles whining about him on American Thinker or WND between articles looking for the real birf certfcate.
2012-11-06 09:26:02 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: exploding the national debt


government spending during an economic downturn is day one stuff, bro.
2012-11-06 09:13:07 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: eiger: Thunderpipes: I think Obama will win.

Sucky thing is, 7% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits, 2% growth is the new America under Democrat rule, and you guys love it. I have a one year old, he will have to contend with 30-40 trillion dollars of US debt by the time he is in college.

Just too many lazy, stupid young people around, and they breed much faster than working people. Democrats give money to people in exchange for votes, get elected, and the cycle repeats. We are Greece within a decade, but much more heavily armed.

Odd. B/c if you look at the actual numbers since World War II, it's the republicans who have been fiscally profligate with their tax cuts. Democratic presidents generally try to pay for their programs. But you go on believing the stories you've been told rather than the actual facts.

Facts are Obama just added 6 trillion to the debt in 4 years, and the outlook means at least another 4 if he gets elected. Facts are we have terribly growth, terrible unemployment, entitlement spending is exploding, and people are dropping out of the work force.

math does not lie. In no way can anything about the economy be called good. And Republicans had nothing to do with the housing crisis which caused the recession, no matter how much you want it to. We are done, period. At a certain point, you just cannot recover. Interest payments alone on the debt are now 350 billion a year I believer. 4 more years of Bambam it will be at 500 billion. Will just go up from there. Can tax the rich all you want, won't make a dent and will just slow growth.

Fact that Obama is even in the race shows how far we have fallen as a country. Think about it, you tools are orgasmic to vote for a President who is responsible for the worst financial outlook for the country in your life. Its like you want to be kicked in the junk. Half of college grads can't get a decent job, and you still orgasm over Obama? Just nuts.


I think Headso's posts retry much sum it up:

Most people aren't voting based on an objective opinion of the candidates. Instead they're making their decision on a preconceived notion of a person.

Maybe Romney will suck, will never know unless he's elected. Obama has certainly sucked big time which is why I'm not voting for him
2012-11-06 09:12:49 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: ... math does not lie. In no way can anything about the economy be called good...

Fact that Obama is even in the race shows how far we have fallen as a country. Think about it, you tools are orgasmic to vote for a President who is responsible for the worst financial outlook for the country in your life. Its like you want to be kicked in the junk. Half of college grads can't get a decent job, and you still orgasm over Obama? Just nuts.


Horrific math and such below...

In case you don't remember the financial crisis, here is an article explaining the financial crisis timeline, which started on Feb of 2007.

A basic illustration of what was going on in late 2008...
budget.senate.gov

A link showing a few newspaper headlines during the crisis...

A few September 2008 links from CNBC

Anyway, those scary headlines are no longer appearing.

Maybe it is because GDP performance during the Obama Administration has gone into positive growth.
www.tradingeconomics.com

Many US corporate profits after tax are at an all-time high.
research.stlouisfed.org

US stock markets performance during the Obama Administration...
DOW in 01/20/2009: 7,949.09
DOW in 11/01/2012: 13,232.62
Rate of Return: 66.47%

S&P 500 in 01/20/2009: 805.22
S&P 500 in 11/01/2012: 1,427.59
Rate of Return: 77.29%

NASDAQ in 01/20/2009: 1,440.86
NASDAQ in 11/01/2012: 3,020.06
Rate of Return: 109.60%



US stock markets performance since hitting the bottom on March 9th of 2009...
DOW in 03/09/2009: 6,547.05
DOW in 11/01/2012: 13,232.62
Rate of Return: 102.12%

S&P 500 in 03/09/2009: 676.53
S&P 500 in 11/01/2012: 1,427.59
Rate of Return: 111.02%

NASDAQ in 03/09/2009: 1,268.64
NASDAQ in 11/01/2012: 3,020.06
Rate of Return: 138.05%


Private jobs hemorrhage slowed down during the Obama Administration and eventually went into positive territory.
farm9.staticflickr.com

Unemployment claims has been dropping, especially since the start of the stimulus.
s3.amazonaws.com

Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation between President Bush and President Obama.

Bush
01/20/2001: 4.2%
01/20/2009: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 85.71% increase

Obama
01/20/2009: 7.8%
Currently: 7.9%
Unemployment Rate Change: 1.28% increase


Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation when their budgets first took place

Bush
01/01/2002: 5.7%
12/31/2009: 9.9%
Unemployment Rate Change: 73.68% increase

Obama
01/01/2010: 9.9%
Currently: 7.9%
Unemployment Rate Change: 20.20% decrease

Unemployment rate was trending up steeply when Obama took over the White House...
media.ycharts.com

And now the unemployment rate has been trending down now during the Obama Administration...
i2.cdn.turner.com


...Even though The Senate has filibustered any bill that could help the economy and the employment situation.
m.static.newsvine.com

A list of a few jobs bills the Senate have blocked

One in particular that should offend our troops coming back since it seems the Senate GOP were too busy blocking a veterans jobs bill

Or having Mitch McConnell Admits That Republicans Took America Hostage and that his number one priority is to make sure President Obama is a one-term president... instead of helping with the economic issues our country faces.

Or the Tea Party Nation urged small business owners to not hire people in order to make Obama look bad

Or when a company with company policies about not hiring until Obama is gone based on nothing to do with the basic supply and demand process for his business goods.

Or having the GOP blocked a 10 percent tax break for small businesses that hires new employees

Even so, the job market did improve. Read all about it...

Private-sector job growth biggest in 3 years (new window)

Stealth signs of a stronger job market (new window)

Biggest unemployment rate improvement in nearly 28 years (new window)

Small businesses ramp up jobs (new window)

Jobs: 2 hopeful signs (new window)

The unemployment rate fell to 8.3%. That is the lowest since February 2009 (new window)

Stealth jobs boom: 6 months, 2 million jobs (new window)

Jobless claims plunged last week to a nearly four-year low (new window)

Manufacturing jobs boom is for real (new window)

If you are unemployed or underemployed, you don't have a 4 year degree (or higher) and blame Obama for your situation, then maybe you should get a college degree. It is not the Government's fault you don't have the necessary skills to compete in today's world. The Government can even help you pay for it (via student loans, grants, GI Bill etc.).
farm8.staticflickr.com

Housing market is recovering...
i2.cdn.turner.com

Foreclosures are down as well...
i2.cdn.turner.com

Car sales have gone up...
www.aei-ideas.org

Average weekly paychecks have improved.
i2.cdn.turner.com

Inflation has not been out of control.
i2.cdn.turner.com

Manufacturing has started to go up.
i2.cdn.turner.com

Consumer spending is up.
i2.cdn.turner.com

Consumer confident at a 4-year high

Your taxes have not gone up since Obama took office. This was a rooted fear from Tea Partiers. Take a look at a Forbes article written by Bruce Bartlett, a self-described fiscal conservative...
Forbes: Tea partiers confused, taxes 'lower by every measure' under Obama (Cutting to a new window)
2012-11-06 09:12:13 AM
1 votes:

Leeds: Who the f**k is Nate Silver and why has fark begun to mention him 20 times a day?

Did he even exist before this week?


do you live under a rock?
2012-11-06 09:12:11 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: eiger: Thunderpipes: I think Obama will win.

Sucky thing is, 7% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits, 2% growth is the new America under Democrat rule, and you guys love it. I have a one year old, he will have to contend with 30-40 trillion dollars of US debt by the time he is in college.

Just too many lazy, stupid young people around, and they breed much faster than working people. Democrats give money to people in exchange for votes, get elected, and the cycle repeats. We are Greece within a decade, but much more heavily armed.

Odd. B/c if you look at the actual numbers since World War II, it's the republicans who have been fiscally profligate with their tax cuts. Democratic presidents generally try to pay for their programs. But you go on believing the stories you've been told rather than the actual facts.

Facts are Obama just added 6 trillion to the debt in 4 years, and the outlook means at least another 4 if he gets elected. Facts are we have terribly growth, terrible unemployment, entitlement spending is exploding, and people are dropping out of the work force.

math does not lie. In no way can anything about the economy be called good. And Republicans had nothing to do with the housing crisis which caused the recession, no matter how much you want it to. We are done, period. At a certain point, you just cannot recover. Interest payments alone on the debt are now 350 billion a year I believer. 4 more years of Bambam it will be at 500 billion. Will just go up from there. Can tax the rich all you want, won't make a dent and will just slow growth.

Fact that Obama is even in the race shows how far we have fallen as a country. Think about it, you tools are orgasmic to vote for a President who is responsible for the worst financial outlook for the country in your life. Its like you want to be kicked in the junk. Half of college grads can't get a decent job, and you still orgasm over Obama? Just nuts.


And Romney's... plan... will fix this?

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2012-11-06 09:11:03 AM
1 votes:
So, when Obama ins, does that mean we get to declare it a "mandate" like Bush's supporters did when he won reelection?
2012-11-06 09:02:00 AM
1 votes:

Dwight_Yeast: VendorXeno: I elected to ignore the pollsters and look at the bookies, people who are the most inclined to be objective. Currently Obama is pretty heavily favored.

Nate Silver isn't a pollster. He's an aggregator of information who takes polling data and turns it into something useful.


I really enjoy seeing how much Silver gets Joe Scarboroughs panties in a bunch!
2012-11-06 09:01:42 AM
1 votes:
The fact that a former vulture capitalist who has been running for President for 7 years, has changed his opinion on every major electoral issue within the past 10 years, has not outlined a definitive budget plan past mathematically impossible platitudes, declared disdain for half the country, and lied repeatedly to the point where his lies aren't even newsworthy anymore is going to get more than 2% of the vote is quite disturbing.

The fact that people are openly advocating FOR him to be President is just plain scary.
2012-11-06 09:00:06 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes:

Just too many lazy, stupid young people around, and they breed much faster than working people. Democrats give money to people in exchange for votes, get elected, and the cycle repeats. We are Greece within a decade, but much more heavily armed.


I think most people would have gone with Rome as the comparative collapsing empire, rather than Greece, as Rome's collapse was due to far more internal strife and political conflict than Greece and its largely fiduciary failings created through not having a unified monetary policy with the EU, but getting to borrow money at EU rates. But, otherwise, 2/10.
2012-11-06 08:59:43 AM
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Headso: MemeSlave: Headso: I hope the guy is right, supreme court justice appointees alone are a reason to fear a bishop president.

As opposed to a Catholic one? Or a Muslim? Or a Jew?

any high level religious figure, he's not just a mormon he's a mormon bishop, so yeah a catholic bishop running for president would be just as bad as would their muslim and jewish counterparts.


Just curious, why does it make you feel so superior to be anti religion?

Even people who are considered geniuses have had faith.

Not flaming you, just curious about why you feel this way
2012-11-06 08:58:13 AM
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Guys, come on, I'm getting excited too, but this isn't anywhere close to a done deal yet.

Very definitely related.
2012-11-06 08:52:42 AM
1 votes:
I think Obama will win.

Sucky thing is, 7% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits, 2% growth is the new America under Democrat rule, and you guys love it. I have a one year old, he will have to contend with 30-40 trillion dollars of US debt by the time he is in college.

Just too many lazy, stupid young people around, and they breed much faster than working people. Democrats give money to people in exchange for votes, get elected, and the cycle repeats. We are Greece within a decade, but much more heavily armed.
2012-11-06 08:49:51 AM
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I elected to ignore the pollsters and look at the bookies, people who are the most inclined to be objective. Currently Obama is pretty heavily favored.
2012-11-06 08:44:59 AM
1 votes:
I'm not gonna unclench until the magic number 270 show up and corks start flying at the Obama campaign HQ.
 
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