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2012-11-06 09:09:22 AM  
Who the f**k is Nate Silver and why has fark begun to mention him 20 times a day?

Did he even exist before this week?
 
2012-11-06 09:09:35 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: Headso: MemeSlave: Headso: I hope the guy is right, supreme court justice appointees alone are a reason to fear a bishop president.

As opposed to a Catholic one? Or a Muslim? Or a Jew?

any high level religious figure, he's not just a mormon he's a mormon bishop, so yeah a catholic bishop running for president would be just as bad as would their muslim and jewish counterparts.

Just curious, why does it make you feel so superior to be anti religion?

Even people who are considered geniuses have had faith.

Not flaming you, just curious about why you feel this way


I wouldn't say that being leery of a bishop appointing supreme court justices is anti religion. They could decide issues like abortion rights and gay marriage.
 
2012-11-06 09:09:49 AM  

Headso: MemeSlave: Headso: I hope the guy is right, supreme court justice appointees alone are a reason to fear a bishop president.

As opposed to a Catholic one? Or a Muslim? Or a Jew?

any high level religious figure, he's not just a mormon he's a mormon bishop, so yeah a catholic bishop running for president would be just as bad as would their muslim and jewish counterparts.


Jews don't really have "bishops". There are rabbis (certified) and pulpit rabbis (certified and employed as congregation/synagogue leaders), but I don't know of any higher level than that. It's certainly not standard - maybe the local va'ad or some synagogue controlling organization (like Young Israel or something) makes some hiring decisions, but since Jews don't really have a rabbinical hierarchy (there's no Chief Rabbi for all Jews; if there is a nominal Chief Rabbi, it's a ceremonial or political post). </TMYK>

Anyway, I'd be leery of electing anyone who puts religious belief above earthly demands. If the sole reason you take or don't take a course of action is "god", stay the fark away from my agnostic government.
 
2012-11-06 09:09:53 AM  

Thunderpipes: eiger: Thunderpipes: I think Obama will win.

Sucky thing is, 7% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits, 2% growth is the new America under Democrat rule, and you guys love it. I have a one year old, he will have to contend with 30-40 trillion dollars of US debt by the time he is in college.

Just too many lazy, stupid young people around, and they breed much faster than working people. Democrats give money to people in exchange for votes, get elected, and the cycle repeats. We are Greece within a decade, but much more heavily armed.

Odd. B/c if you look at the actual numbers since World War II, it's the republicans who have been fiscally profligate with their tax cuts. Democratic presidents generally try to pay for their programs. But you go on believing the stories you've been told rather than the actual facts.

Facts are Obama just added 6 trillion to the debt in 4 years, and the outlook means at least another 4 if he gets elected. Facts are we have terribly growth, terrible unemployment, entitlement spending is exploding, and people are dropping out of the work force.

math does not lie. In no way can anything about the economy be called good. And Republicans had nothing to do with the housing crisis which caused the recession, no matter how much you want it to. We are done, period. At a certain point, you just cannot recover. Interest payments alone on the debt are now 350 billion a year I believer. 4 more years of Bambam it will be at 500 billion. Will just go up from there. Can tax the rich all you want, won't make a dent and will just slow growth.

Fact that Obama is even in the race shows how far we have fallen as a country. Think about it, you tools are orgasmic to vote for a President who is responsible for the worst financial outlook for the country in your life. Its like you want to be kicked in the junk. Half of college grads can't get a decent job, and you still orgasm over Obama? Just nuts.


How do you explain the international community all "voting" for Obama? Do you think it is in the best interest of the global economy that the US "falls as a country"?
 
2012-11-06 09:09:55 AM  
I'm going to spend the day posting pictures of Guy Fawkes and complaining about how people are too stupid to vote for Gary Johnson. Who's with me?
 
2012-11-06 09:10:53 AM  
It's easy to be a psychic when the votes have already been counted and you know how it came out. Let's stop all this Nate Silver worship. It's a clever illusion.
 
2012-11-06 09:11:03 AM  
So, when Obama ins, does that mean we get to declare it a "mandate" like Bush's supporters did when he won reelection?
 
2012-11-06 09:11:12 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: Headso: MemeSlave: Headso: I hope the guy is right, supreme court justice appointees alone are a reason to fear a bishop president.

As opposed to a Catholic one? Or a Muslim? Or a Jew?

any high level religious figure, he's not just a mormon he's a mormon bishop, so yeah a catholic bishop running for president would be just as bad as would their muslim and jewish counterparts.

Just curious, why does it make you feel so superior to be anti religion?

Even people who are considered geniuses have had faith.

Not flaming you, just curious about why you feel this way


He didn't say he didn't want religious people, he said he didn't want bishops or the equivalent. Probably because he suspects they would make awful decisions based on what was best for sky jesus and not the usa.

// it rings hollow to accuse someone of asserting superiority and then claiming 'totes not flamin ya, brah'
 
2012-11-06 09:11:59 AM  

Leeds: Did he even exist before this week?


only on the politics www.virtualvender.coca-cola.com
 
2012-11-06 09:11:59 AM  

TheOther: [i309.photobucket.com image 365x472]


Yep, That's why Obama wins even if Obama loses. Democrats have the best lawyers.
 
2012-11-06 09:12:03 AM  

Thunderpipes: math does not lie.


You're right, it doesn't:
www.blogforarizona.com

Think about it, you tools are orgasmic to vote for a President who is responsible for the worst financial outlook for the country in your life.

I'm sorry, but the prize for worst economic outlook goes to GW Bush, not BH Obama.  Looking at that graph in Jan of '09 looked much, MUCH worse than it does now. Not even a contest.
 
2012-11-06 09:12:11 AM  

Thunderpipes: eiger: Thunderpipes: I think Obama will win.

Sucky thing is, 7% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits, 2% growth is the new America under Democrat rule, and you guys love it. I have a one year old, he will have to contend with 30-40 trillion dollars of US debt by the time he is in college.

Just too many lazy, stupid young people around, and they breed much faster than working people. Democrats give money to people in exchange for votes, get elected, and the cycle repeats. We are Greece within a decade, but much more heavily armed.

Odd. B/c if you look at the actual numbers since World War II, it's the republicans who have been fiscally profligate with their tax cuts. Democratic presidents generally try to pay for their programs. But you go on believing the stories you've been told rather than the actual facts.

Facts are Obama just added 6 trillion to the debt in 4 years, and the outlook means at least another 4 if he gets elected. Facts are we have terribly growth, terrible unemployment, entitlement spending is exploding, and people are dropping out of the work force.

math does not lie. In no way can anything about the economy be called good. And Republicans had nothing to do with the housing crisis which caused the recession, no matter how much you want it to. We are done, period. At a certain point, you just cannot recover. Interest payments alone on the debt are now 350 billion a year I believer. 4 more years of Bambam it will be at 500 billion. Will just go up from there. Can tax the rich all you want, won't make a dent and will just slow growth.

Fact that Obama is even in the race shows how far we have fallen as a country. Think about it, you tools are orgasmic to vote for a President who is responsible for the worst financial outlook for the country in your life. Its like you want to be kicked in the junk. Half of college grads can't get a decent job, and you still orgasm over Obama? Just nuts.


And Romney's... plan... will fix this?

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-06 09:12:13 AM  

Leeds: Who the f**k is Nate Silver and why has fark begun to mention him 20 times a day?

Did he even exist before this week?


do you live under a rock?
 
2012-11-06 09:12:49 AM  

Thunderpipes: ... math does not lie. In no way can anything about the economy be called good...

Fact that Obama is even in the race shows how far we have fallen as a country. Think about it, you tools are orgasmic to vote for a President who is responsible for the worst financial outlook for the country in your life. Its like you want to be kicked in the junk. Half of college grads can't get a decent job, and you still orgasm over Obama? Just nuts.


Horrific math and such below...

In case you don't remember the financial crisis, here is an article explaining the financial crisis timeline, which started on Feb of 2007.

A basic illustration of what was going on in late 2008...
budget.senate.gov

A link showing a few newspaper headlines during the crisis...

A few September 2008 links from CNBC

Anyway, those scary headlines are no longer appearing.

Maybe it is because GDP performance during the Obama Administration has gone into positive growth.
www.tradingeconomics.com

Many US corporate profits after tax are at an all-time high.
research.stlouisfed.org

US stock markets performance during the Obama Administration...
DOW in 01/20/2009: 7,949.09
DOW in 11/01/2012: 13,232.62
Rate of Return: 66.47%

S&P 500 in 01/20/2009: 805.22
S&P 500 in 11/01/2012: 1,427.59
Rate of Return: 77.29%

NASDAQ in 01/20/2009: 1,440.86
NASDAQ in 11/01/2012: 3,020.06
Rate of Return: 109.60%



US stock markets performance since hitting the bottom on March 9th of 2009...
DOW in 03/09/2009: 6,547.05
DOW in 11/01/2012: 13,232.62
Rate of Return: 102.12%

S&P 500 in 03/09/2009: 676.53
S&P 500 in 11/01/2012: 1,427.59
Rate of Return: 111.02%

NASDAQ in 03/09/2009: 1,268.64
NASDAQ in 11/01/2012: 3,020.06
Rate of Return: 138.05%


Private jobs hemorrhage slowed down during the Obama Administration and eventually went into positive territory.
farm9.staticflickr.com

Unemployment claims has been dropping, especially since the start of the stimulus.
s3.amazonaws.com

Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation between President Bush and President Obama.

Bush
01/20/2001: 4.2%
01/20/2009: 7.8%
Unemployment Rate Change: 85.71% increase

Obama
01/20/2009: 7.8%
Currently: 7.9%
Unemployment Rate Change: 1.28% increase


Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation when their budgets first took place

Bush
01/01/2002: 5.7%
12/31/2009: 9.9%
Unemployment Rate Change: 73.68% increase

Obama
01/01/2010: 9.9%
Currently: 7.9%
Unemployment Rate Change: 20.20% decrease

Unemployment rate was trending up steeply when Obama took over the White House...
media.ycharts.com

And now the unemployment rate has been trending down now during the Obama Administration...
i2.cdn.turner.com


...Even though The Senate has filibustered any bill that could help the economy and the employment situation.
m.static.newsvine.com

A list of a few jobs bills the Senate have blocked

One in particular that should offend our troops coming back since it seems the Senate GOP were too busy blocking a veterans jobs bill

Or having Mitch McConnell Admits That Republicans Took America Hostage and that his number one priority is to make sure President Obama is a one-term president... instead of helping with the economic issues our country faces.

Or the Tea Party Nation urged small business owners to not hire people in order to make Obama look bad

Or when a company with company policies about not hiring until Obama is gone based on nothing to do with the basic supply and demand process for his business goods.

Or having the GOP blocked a 10 percent tax break for small businesses that hires new employees

Even so, the job market did improve. Read all about it...

Private-sector job growth biggest in 3 years (new window)

Stealth signs of a stronger job market (new window)

Biggest unemployment rate improvement in nearly 28 years (new window)

Small businesses ramp up jobs (new window)

Jobs: 2 hopeful signs (new window)

The unemployment rate fell to 8.3%. That is the lowest since February 2009 (new window)

Stealth jobs boom: 6 months, 2 million jobs (new window)

Jobless claims plunged last week to a nearly four-year low (new window)

Manufacturing jobs boom is for real (new window)

If you are unemployed or underemployed, you don't have a 4 year degree (or higher) and blame Obama for your situation, then maybe you should get a college degree. It is not the Government's fault you don't have the necessary skills to compete in today's world. The Government can even help you pay for it (via student loans, grants, GI Bill etc.).
farm8.staticflickr.com

Housing market is recovering...
i2.cdn.turner.com

Foreclosures are down as well...
i2.cdn.turner.com

Car sales have gone up...
www.aei-ideas.org

Average weekly paychecks have improved.
i2.cdn.turner.com

Inflation has not been out of control.
i2.cdn.turner.com

Manufacturing has started to go up.
i2.cdn.turner.com

Consumer spending is up.
i2.cdn.turner.com

Consumer confident at a 4-year high

Your taxes have not gone up since Obama took office. This was a rooted fear from Tea Partiers. Take a look at a Forbes article written by Bruce Bartlett, a self-described fiscal conservative...
Forbes: Tea partiers confused, taxes 'lower by every measure' under Obama (Cutting to a new window)
 
2012-11-06 09:13:03 AM  

Thunderpipes: ....And Republicans had nothing to do with the housing crisis which caused the recession....


In the future, if you're wondering, this is when I decided to put you on ignore.
 
2012-11-06 09:13:07 AM  

Thunderpipes: eiger: Thunderpipes: I think Obama will win.

Sucky thing is, 7% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits, 2% growth is the new America under Democrat rule, and you guys love it. I have a one year old, he will have to contend with 30-40 trillion dollars of US debt by the time he is in college.

Just too many lazy, stupid young people around, and they breed much faster than working people. Democrats give money to people in exchange for votes, get elected, and the cycle repeats. We are Greece within a decade, but much more heavily armed.

Odd. B/c if you look at the actual numbers since World War II, it's the republicans who have been fiscally profligate with their tax cuts. Democratic presidents generally try to pay for their programs. But you go on believing the stories you've been told rather than the actual facts.

Facts are Obama just added 6 trillion to the debt in 4 years, and the outlook means at least another 4 if he gets elected. Facts are we have terribly growth, terrible unemployment, entitlement spending is exploding, and people are dropping out of the work force.

math does not lie. In no way can anything about the economy be called good. And Republicans had nothing to do with the housing crisis which caused the recession, no matter how much you want it to. We are done, period. At a certain point, you just cannot recover. Interest payments alone on the debt are now 350 billion a year I believer. 4 more years of Bambam it will be at 500 billion. Will just go up from there. Can tax the rich all you want, won't make a dent and will just slow growth.

Fact that Obama is even in the race shows how far we have fallen as a country. Think about it, you tools are orgasmic to vote for a President who is responsible for the worst financial outlook for the country in your life. Its like you want to be kicked in the junk. Half of college grads can't get a decent job, and you still orgasm over Obama? Just nuts.


I think Headso's posts retry much sum it up:

Most people aren't voting based on an objective opinion of the candidates. Instead they're making their decision on a preconceived notion of a person.

Maybe Romney will suck, will never know unless he's elected. Obama has certainly sucked big time which is why I'm not voting for him
 
2012-11-06 09:13:29 AM  

urger: Exit polls here (takes a while to load)


Excellent.
 
2012-11-06 09:13:39 AM  

Leeds: Who the f**k is Nate Silver and why has fark begun to mention him 20 times a day?

Did he even exist before this week?


I take it you don't follow politics. Or get out of your mom's basement often.
 
2012-11-06 09:13:41 AM  

Thunderpipes: I think Obama will win.

Sucky thing is, 7% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits, 2% growth is the new America under Democrat rule, and you guys love it. I have a one year old, he will have to contend with 30-40 trillion dollars of US debt by the time he is in college.

Just too many lazy, stupid young people around, and they breed much faster than working people. Democrats give money to people in exchange for votes, get elected, and the cycle repeats. We are Greece within a decade, but much more heavily armed.


Obama will leave office 20 trillion in debt. It will be interesting the years 2018 to 2028, when the glut of these bonds get bought back. Interest rates will skyrocket to sell new treasury bonds and the bulk of US economic policy will be towards controlling interest rates, at the expense of the economy. Plus, that's about the time the SSA will begin selling their bond holdings back to the government.

I'm not voting as neither one is going to return to solvency. Almost as if it is part of the plan. I imagine we will officially be ruled by a cabal of international investors who take half of our wealth in interest payments. I can't imagine how any feels hopeful or optmistic during this election. The numbers speak for themself. There is no turning back.
 
2012-11-06 09:14:06 AM  

midigod: Thunderpipes: math does not lie.

You're right, it doesn't:
[www.blogforarizona.com image 500x294]

Think about it, you tools are orgasmic to vote for a President who is responsible for the worst financial outlook for the country in your life.

I'm sorry, but the prize for worst economic outlook goes to GW Bush, not BH Obama.  Looking at that graph in Jan of '09 looked much, MUCH worse than it does now. Not even a contest.


Bush had nothing to do with the housing crisis, it was Democrats. Doesn't matter who was elected, the country would have turned around, it is a matter of how much. 7% unemployment is the new norm. 67% debt to GDP when Bush left, we will pass 100% this year. When my son goes to college, that will be 180% of GDP. How can our kids possibly recover from this?
 
2012-11-06 09:14:12 AM  

Leeds: Who the f**k is Nate Silver and why has fark begun to mention him 20 times a day?

Did he even exist before this week?


1/10. I would have given you a zero, but someone actually took a bite
 
2012-11-06 09:15:35 AM  
For you newcomers: Thunderpipes is an old throwback shill that doesn't post in the politics tab anymore because he got tired of getting beaten to a bloody pulp in every thread.

Have fun with it, but it's really not worth a lot of your time.
 
2012-11-06 09:15:37 AM  
Thundergenius,

"In no way can anything about the economy be called good. "

The current economy is better in every way than the economy 3 months after Obama took office. (Though I'm sure those first 3 months are his fault in your eyes.)

Try removing your USA tunnel vision apparatus for a change. Economies all over the world are still struggling. I bet Obama responsible for the EU's troubles too?
 
2012-11-06 09:15:43 AM  

Leeds: Who the f**k is Nate Silver and why has fark begun to mention him 20 times a day?

Did he even exist before this week?


What good does it do you to announce your own stupidity to the rest of the world?
 
2012-11-06 09:16:36 AM  

Thunderpipes: I think Obama will win.

Sucky thing is, 7% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits, 2% growth is the new America under Democrat rule, and you guys love it. I have a one year old, he will have to contend with 30-40 trillion dollars of US debt by the time he is in college.

Just too many lazy, stupid young people around, and they breed much faster than working people. Democrats give money to people in exchange for votes, get elected, and the cycle repeats. We are Greece within a decade, but much more heavily armed.


You exhibit both of the chief symptoms of advanced paranoia - delusions of persecution, and delusions of grandeur. You are not the superior human being surrounded by inferiors that you imagine yourself to be, and nobody's out to get you or take your pitiful little pile of crap away from you. Quit whining, grow up, take responsibility, and heal your mental illness.
 
2012-11-06 09:16:44 AM  

Thunderpipes: eiger: Thunderpipes: I think Obama will win.

Sucky thing is, 7% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits, 2% growth is the new America under Democrat rule, and you guys love it. I have a one year old, he will have to contend with 30-40 trillion dollars of US debt by the time he is in college.

Just too many lazy, stupid young people around, and they breed much faster than working people. Democrats give money to people in exchange for votes, get elected, and the cycle repeats. We are Greece within a decade, but much more heavily armed.

Odd. B/c if you look at the actual numbers since World War II, it's the republicans who have been fiscally profligate with their tax cuts. Democratic presidents generally try to pay for their programs. But you go on believing the stories you've been told rather than the actual facts.

Facts are Obama just added 6 trillion to the debt in 4 years, and the outlook means at least another 4 if he gets elected. Facts are we have terribly growth, terrible unemployment, entitlement spending is exploding, and people are dropping out of the work force.

math does not lie. In no way can anything about the economy be called good. And Republicans had nothing to do with the housing crisis which caused the recession, no matter how much you want it to. We are done, period. At a certain point, you just cannot recover. Interest payments alone on the debt are now 350 billion a year I believer. 4 more years of Bambam it will be at 500 billion. Will just go up from there. Can tax the rich all you want, won't make a dent and will just slow growth.

Fact that Obama is even in the race shows how far we have fallen as a country. Think about it, you tools are orgasmic to vote for a President who is responsible for the worst financial outlook for the country in your life. Its like you want to be kicked in the junk. Half of college grads can't get a decent job, and you still orgasm over Obama? Just nuts.


Is this a thing?
 
2012-11-06 09:16:54 AM  

Headso: GrizzlyPouch: Headso: MemeSlave: Headso: I hope the guy is right, supreme court justice appointees alone are a reason to fear a bishop president.

As opposed to a Catholic one? Or a Muslim? Or a Jew?

any high level religious figure, he's not just a mormon he's a mormon bishop, so yeah a catholic bishop running for president would be just as bad as would their muslim and jewish counterparts.

Just curious, why does it make you feel so superior to be anti religion?

Even people who are considered geniuses have had faith.

Not flaming you, just curious about why you feel this way

I wouldn't say that being leery of a bishop appointing supreme court justices is anti religion. They could decide issues like abortion rights and gay marriage.


That's a good point but I offer this:

Shouldn't we be electing a president who would appoint justices who follow the law, and not what their own opinion is on political issues.

I'm not sure Obama has done this
 
2012-11-06 09:17:19 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: Headso: MemeSlave: Headso: I hope the guy is right, supreme court justice appointees alone are a reason to fear a bishop president.

As opposed to a Catholic one? Or a Muslim? Or a Jew?

any high level religious figure, he's not just a mormon he's a mormon bishop, so yeah a catholic bishop running for president would be just as bad as would their muslim and jewish counterparts.

Just curious, why does it make you feel so superior to be anti religion?


Not speaking for Headso, but I do agree with him on this point. For me, it is not that I am anti-religion, it is more that I would not trust a high ranking church official serving in the office of the president not to attempt to impose his religious view of morality on the rest of the country.
 
2012-11-06 09:19:03 AM  

hugram: Horrific math and such below...


Great summary but it will largely fall of deaf ears. Thunderpipes would already know these things if he wanted to. He has, instead, chosen to cocoon himself in an information bubble that reinforces what he wants to be true rather than what is.
 
2012-11-06 09:19:09 AM  

Thunderpipes: eiger: Thunderpipes: I think Obama will win.

Sucky thing is, 7% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits, 2% growth is the new America under Democrat rule, and you guys love it. I have a one year old, he will have to contend with 30-40 trillion dollars of US debt by the time he is in college.

Just too many lazy, stupid young people around, and they breed much faster than working people. Democrats give money to people in exchange for votes, get elected, and the cycle repeats. We are Greece within a decade, but much more heavily armed.

Odd. B/c if you look at the actual numbers since World War II, it's the republicans who have been fiscally profligate with their tax cuts. Democratic presidents generally try to pay for their programs. But you go on believing the stories you've been told rather than the actual facts.

Facts are Obama just added 6 trillion to the debt in 4 years, and the outlook means at least another 4 if he gets elected. Facts are we have terribly growth, terrible unemployment, entitlement spending is exploding, and people are dropping out of the work force.

math does not lie. In no way can anything about the economy be called good. And Republicans had nothing to do with the housing crisis which caused the recession, no matter how much you want it to. We are done, period. At a certain point, you just cannot recover. Interest payments alone on the debt are now 350 billion a year I believer. 4 more years of Bambam it will be at 500 billion. Will just go up from there. Can tax the rich all you want, won't make a dent and will just slow growth.

Fact that Obama is even in the race shows how far we have fallen as a country. Think about it, you tools are orgasmic to vote for a President who is responsible for the worst financial outlook for the country in your life. Its like you want to be kicked in the junk. Half of college grads can't get a decent job, and you still orgasm over Obama? Just nuts.


i know its thunderpipes, but even still...

i just cant believe people can be so willfully ignorant, so poorly informed, and come to such incredibly base and simple conclusions about things. And be defiant and self righteous about it.

This is weapons grade stupidity here, and it just makes me sad.
 
2012-11-06 09:20:04 AM  

Tellingthem: The FiveThirtyEight forecast of the national popular vote is within this range, projecting Mr. Obama's most likely margin of victory to be two or three percentage points,

Damn that is closer than I thought...


LOTS of people in the high population density northeast aren't going to vote because of the hurricane. Those states will still be blue and the EC votes will go to Obama, but voter turnout will be quite low. It's because of this that I predict Romney will do better in the popular vote than he normally would have, might even win it.
 
2012-11-06 09:20:49 AM  

barbu: GrizzlyPouch: Headso: MemeSlave: Headso: I hope the guy is right, supreme court justice appointees alone are a reason to fear a bishop president.

As opposed to a Catholic one? Or a Muslim? Or a Jew?

any high level religious figure, he's not just a mormon he's a mormon bishop, so yeah a catholic bishop running for president would be just as bad as would their muslim and jewish counterparts.

Just curious, why does it make you feel so superior to be anti religion?

Even people who are considered geniuses have had faith.

Not flaming you, just curious about why you feel this way

He didn't say he didn't want religious people, he said he didn't want bishops or the equivalent. Probably because he suspects they would make awful decisions based on what was best for sky jesus and not the usa.

// it rings hollow to accuse someone of asserting superiority and then claiming 'totes not flamin ya, brah'


Maybe. But his opinion is he would never vote for somebody in a ranking religious position regardless of the persons character or history.

This tells me he feels like high ranking religious people are fundamentally flawed (regardless of what type of person they are). This makes it seem like he feels superior
 
2012-11-06 09:22:09 AM  
Just wish even once, you liberals and your Messiah would explain how exploding the national debt and discouraging success leads us to long term, or even short term economic prosperity. Even the CBO has a damned gloomy forecast for the country.

You literally don't care about the future. At the end of his second term, Obama will have added more debt to the country than all Presidents in history that came before him, combined. And once again, you guys are all for that. It is not even a defensible position, no wonder you avoid talking about it.
 
2012-11-06 09:22:13 AM  
I refuse to talk about the outcome, but subby's headline made me giggle. So thanks for that, smitty.
 
2012-11-06 09:23:45 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: Headso: GrizzlyPouch: Headso: MemeSlave: Headso: I hope the guy is right, supreme court justice appointees alone are a reason to fear a bishop president.

As opposed to a Catholic one? Or a Muslim? Or a Jew?

any high level religious figure, he's not just a mormon he's a mormon bishop, so yeah a catholic bishop running for president would be just as bad as would their muslim and jewish counterparts.

Just curious, why does it make you feel so superior to be anti religion?

Even people who are considered geniuses have had faith.

Not flaming you, just curious about why you feel this way

I wouldn't say that being leery of a bishop appointing supreme court justices is anti religion. They could decide issues like abortion rights and gay marriage.

That's a good point but I offer this:

Shouldn't we be electing a president who would appoint justices who follow the law, and not what their own opinion is on political issues.

I'm not sure Obama has done this


I don't think anyone does that, you get democrats appointing people that are more leftish and republicans appointing people that are more rightish. My personal political leanings line up more with democrats than republicans especially on social issues. You may like the idea of a very religious man appointing justices because your political leanings are more like his.
 
2012-11-06 09:24:28 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: hugram: Horrific math and such below...

Great summary but it will largely fall of deaf ears. Thunderpipes would already know these things if he wanted to. He has, instead, chosen to cocoon himself in an information bubble that reinforces what he wants to be true rather than what is.


The funny thing is that he is a big car's guy. I remember when the economy was falling apart and when the Gov was bailing out the banks, he was saying "let them fail... we should save the auto industry instead"... This is before the auto bailout was even a thought.

Now that the auto industry was actually saved, thanks to Obama, I have not heard anything positive about the auto bailout from him. Maybe he has made positive comments about it... I just have not seem them.
 
2012-11-06 09:24:56 AM  

blackhalo: Leeds: Who the f**k is Nate Silver and why has fark begun to mention him 20 times a day?

Did he even exist before this week?

I take it you don't follow politics. Or get out of your mom's basement often.


Evidently it's because I don't read the New York Times.

// I just googled him, evidently he's one of those NYT folks.
 
2012-11-06 09:26:02 AM  

Thunderpipes: exploding the national debt


government spending during an economic downturn is day one stuff, bro.
 
2012-11-06 09:26:32 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: Headso: GrizzlyPouch: Headso: MemeSlave: Headso: I hope the guy is right, supreme court justice appointees alone are a reason to fear a bishop president.

As opposed to a Catholic one? Or a Muslim? Or a Jew?

any high level religious figure, he's not just a mormon he's a mormon bishop, so yeah a catholic bishop running for president would be just as bad as would their muslim and jewish counterparts.

Just curious, why does it make you feel so superior to be anti religion?

Even people who are considered geniuses have had faith.

Not flaming you, just curious about why you feel this way

I wouldn't say that being leery of a bishop appointing supreme court justices is anti religion. They could decide issues like abortion rights and gay marriage.

That's a good point but I offer this:

Shouldn't we be electing a president who would appoint justices who follow the law, and not what their own opinion is on political issues.

I'm not sure Obama has done this


It's a hit or miss deal, for Presidents from both parties. SCOTUS justices, historically, have quite a track record of not turning out to be who those who appointed them were expecting. Roberts certainly surprised a lot of people. The jury is still out on Kagan and Sotomayor - neither one of them have done much of note so far. But the chances are, they will end up confounding somebody's expectations - SCOTUS justices usually do.
 
2012-11-06 09:27:40 AM  

Leeds: Evidently it's because I don't read the New York Times.

// I just googled him, evidently he's one of those NYT folks.


you must have seen articles whining about him on American Thinker or WND between articles looking for the real birf certfcate.
 
2012-11-06 09:28:09 AM  

bulldg4life: The fact that a former vulture capitalist who has been running for President for 7 years, has changed his opinion on every major electoral issue within the past 10 years, has not outlined a definitive budget plan past mathematically impossible platitudes, declared disdain for half the country, and lied repeatedly to the point where his lies aren't even newsworthy anymore is going to get more than 2% of the vote is quite disturbing.

The fact that people are openly advocating FOR him to be President is just plain scary.


The fact that a former communist/community activist who has been President for 4 years, has changed his opinion on gay marriage to garner votes and not improved the economy in the past 4 years, has not outlined a definitive budget plan in any of his years as president, declared disdain for half the country, and lied repeatedly to the point where his lies aren't even newsworthy anymore is going to get more than 2% of the vote is quite disturbing.

The fact that people are openly advocating FOR him to be President is just plain scary.
 
2012-11-06 09:28:59 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: Even With A Chainsaw: MemeSlave: Headso: I hope the guy is right, supreme court justice appointees alone are a reason to fear a bishop president.

As opposed to a Catholic one? Or a Muslim? Or a Jew?

Or a queen, king, knight, rook, pawn?

[i.imgur.com image 328x640]


I was kind of hoping Ryan would be a chip from checkers.
 
2012-11-06 09:29:42 AM  

Last Man on Earth: God Is My Co-Pirate: Earpj: theorellior: I'm not gonna unclench until the magic number 270 show up and corks start flying at the Obama campaign HQ.

I'll be clenching right along with you.

I am Toby right now:

TOBY
Put it down! Put it down! Put it down!

BONNIE
Toby...

TOBY
No champagne.

BONNIE
We're just getting ready to...

TOBY
Put it down. Everyone in this room let me have your attention, please. The law of our
land mandates that Presidential appointees be confirmed by a majority of the Senate.
A majority being half plus one for a total of what, Ginger?

GINGER
51.

TOBY
51 yea votes is what we see on the screen before a drop of wine is swallowed! Because
there's a little thing called what, Bonnie?

BONNIE
Tempting fate?

TOBY
"Tempting fate" is what it's called. [starts collecting champagne glasses from everyone]
In the three months this man has been on my radar screen, I have aged 48 years. This is
my day of jubilee and I will not have it screwed up by what, Bonnie?

BONNIE
By tempting fate.

TOBY
By tempting fate!

Thank you! I wanted to post that exchange as well, but I couldn't find a video clip for it.


Not the same scene, but still relevant. The wrath from high atop the thing.
 
2012-11-06 09:29:56 AM  

Thunderpipes: Just wish even once, you liberals and your Messiah would explain how exploding the national debt and discouraging success leads us to long term, or even short term economic prosperity. Even the CBO has a damned gloomy forecast for the country.

You literally don't care about the future. At the end of his second term, Obama will have added more debt to the country than all Presidents in history that came before him, combined. And once again, you guys are all for that. It is not even a defensible position, no wonder you avoid talking about it.


trillions of dollars that were spent in obamas first time that added to the debt came in the form of the glorious wars the Republicans started. Now as an added bonus, you can pretend it was Democrats fault for having to spend the money for cleaning that shiat up.
 
2012-11-06 09:30:34 AM  

Thunderpipes: Just wish even once, you liberals and your Messiah would explain how exploding the national debt and discouraging success leads us to long term, or even short term economic prosperity. Even the CBO has a damned gloomy forecast for the country.


Yeah, but it's even gloomier under [the best guesses of] Romney's [incredibly vague] plans, if you like the CBO so much. *shrug* There hasn't been anything we could do about the deficit since the Boomers voted themselves $ALL in medical benefits, and you know perfectly well neither party is brave enough to cut Medicare (and that the old folks would vote them out and replace them with someone to reinstate it if they did).

/Trolls get hungry too; someone has to feed them.
 
2012-11-06 09:30:46 AM  

the_geek: Tellingthem: The FiveThirtyEight forecast of the national popular vote is within this range, projecting Mr. Obama's most likely margin of victory to be two or three percentage points,

Damn that is closer than I thought...

LOTS of people in the high population density northeast aren't going to vote because of the hurricane. Those states will still be blue and the EC votes will go to Obama, but voter turnout will be quite low. It's because of this that I predict Romney will do better in the popular vote than he normally would have, might even win it.


As far as I know, the only people that are still adversely affected enough by the storm to make it hard for them to vote are on Long Island and some on the coast of New Jersey. Even if nobody from those areas voted at all it still wouldn't have a significant effect on the popular vote. And plenty of them will still end up voting anyway.
 
2012-11-06 09:30:55 AM  

depmode98: trillions of dollars that were spent in obamas first time that added to the debt came in the form of the glorious wars the Republicans started. Now as an added bonus, you can pretend it was Democrats fault for having to spend the money for cleaning that shiat up.


Well, Obama should have kept it off the books like Bush did! Then it wouldn't have counted! Duh!
 
2012-11-06 09:31:40 AM  

Leeds: Evidently it's because I don't read the New York Times.

// I just googled him, evidently he's one of those NYT folks.


He did baseball statistics prior to turning his attention to political statistics. He's so accurate that in the middle ages he'd probably have been accused of witchcraft. The move of his political statistics bloc, fivethirtyeight, was a relatively recent thing and his analysis factored heavily into reporting for the not only this election but the last two election cycles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_Silver
 
2012-11-06 09:31:50 AM  

The Why Not Guy: sammyk: Kind of strange that there is a 7 point swing in one day and that's all that's said. If Obama takes Florida this one will be over early.

Nate's 55% or 52.5% refer to the candidates chances of winning the state based on computer simulations, not the poll numbers. A small gain in the polls can lead to a larger gain in chance of winning when other variables are factored in. The swings are higher so close to the election because the time has run out for a last minute game changer. Therefore even a small lead means a high percentage of victory.

Obama didn't gain 7% in Florida's polls. His odds of winning Florida went up by 7%.


I understand it's not a 7% shift in the polls. In a sense Nates model is similar to how Vegas would set the line on the superbowl. For Vegas to move the line that much on the day of the big game something significant would have to happen like a star player breaking his leg in a car wreck the night before.

Here are the FL polls for the last few days. IPSOS is the largest sample and it's moved 3 points towards a Romney win. I know the secret 538 sauce is very complex but I just don't see how it shifted that much on the last day.

POLLS 538 WT. DATE DEM REP MARGIN
Ipsos (online) 11/5 47.0 48.0 Romney +1.0
InsiderAdvantage 11/4 47.0 52.0 Romney +5.0
Ipsos (online) 11/4 46.0 46.0 Tie
PPP 11/4 50.0 49.0 Obama +1.0
Angus Reid 11/3 49.0 49.0 Tie
YouGov 11/3 47.0 48.0 Romney +1.0
Ipsos (online) 11/3 47.0 47.0 Tie
Mellman 11/2 47.0 45.0 Obama +2.0
Ipsos (online) 11/2 48.0 46.0 Obama +2.0
 
2012-11-06 09:32:14 AM  

bulldg4life: The fact that a former vulture capitalist who has been running for President for 7 years, has changed his opinion on every major electoral issue within the past 10 years, has not outlined a definitive budget plan past mathematically impossible platitudes, declared disdain for half the country, and lied repeatedly to the point where his lies aren't even newsworthy anymore is going to get more than 2% of the vote is quite disturbing.

The fact that people are openly advocating FOR him to be President is just plain scary.


SO MUCH THIS!
 
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