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(MSNBC)   Suzuki Motor Corp. to file Chapter 11, end car sales in U.S. Subby starting to regret his decision to buy a new model with "lifetime warranty" last year   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 68
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2012-11-05 10:45:29 PM  
This is a F*CK! :-(
 
2012-11-05 10:47:01 PM  
No biggie.. I'll just run right out and buy an Isuzu instea......

Oh wait.
 
2012-11-05 10:55:59 PM  
さようなら、よく
 
2012-11-05 11:09:12 PM  
Can't say that I recall seeing that many of them on the road lately. I used to have an old Samurai for dicking around on my property, it was a fun toy.
 
2012-11-05 11:15:10 PM  

nekom: Can't say that I recall seeing that many of them on the road lately.


I think their demise had a lot to do with their most recent branding/advertising effort.

Introducing models named Rustout, Sarcophagus, and Marginal Value 2.0 Tsi were probably poor choices, in retrospect.
 
2012-11-05 11:17:08 PM  
I didn't realize Suzuki made cars (just motorcycles in my head), so for a moment I thought subby meant Subaru.
 
2012-11-05 11:27:45 PM  

Gig103: I didn't realize Suzuki made cars (just motorcycles in my head), so for a moment I thought subby meant Subaru.


Yamaha makes guitars. Mind blown yet?
 
2012-11-05 11:28:51 PM  
Not enough black guys buying Hayabusas?
 
2012-11-05 11:30:35 PM  
Suzuki still makes cars?
 
2012-11-05 11:40:32 PM  

nekom: Yamaha makes guitars. Mind blown yet?


Mitsubishi makes satellites and refrigerators.
 
2012-11-05 11:55:43 PM  
In college I had one of these:

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We once moved a 10 foot long couch by standing it straight up on end in the back. It was a fun little car as long as you didn't take turns too fast, try to get up to 60 in under 10 minutes, wanted to stay warm in the winter, dry while it was raining, or take it off road. It also had a horrendous transmission that must have been designed by a blind, retired Japanese engineer with a drinking problem.
 
2012-11-06 04:28:42 AM  

nekom: Gig103: I didn't realize Suzuki made cars (just motorcycles in my head), so for a moment I thought subby meant Subaru.

Yamaha makes guitars. Mind blown yet?


All sorts of musical instruments really - the logo for Yamaha is 3 overlapping tuning forks, albeit slightly stylised.
 
2012-11-06 04:59:40 AM  

nekom: Can't say that I recall seeing that many of them on the road lately. I used to have an old Samurai for dicking around on my property, it was a fun toy.


Suzuki pretty much peaked in the car arena back in the 80s/90s. Then they started teaming up with Chevy/Geo for things like the Suzuki Swift, A.K.A. Geo Metro, and things started going downhill fast.

My roommate still has one of the last good Suzuki cars: a 94 Suzuki Sidekick. It looks pretty underwhelming, but with the 4x4 it handles superbly in conditions like snow. It's so light the damn thing rides on top of the snow most cars would sink into. Yet to get it stuck in anything, snow, mud, or otherwise. We've taken to calling it The Snowbeast.


markie_farkie: No biggie.. I'll just run right out and buy an Isuzu instea......

Oh wait.


Dammit, don't remind me. I drive a 93 Isuzu Trooper (manual, no less) and that thing is truly a joy to drive. After riding in it for a while, then getting in someone else's newer SUV, I start asking myself how it is we've made so many steps BACKWARDS in terms of making cars feel roomy.
 
2012-11-06 05:06:43 AM  

Triumph: nekom: Yamaha makes guitars. Mind blown yet?

Mitsubishi makes satellites and refrigerators.


Hyundai makes cars, but they also make EVERY PART INVOLVED IN MAKING THEIR CARS. Not just the assembly line machines, but the vehicles that ship the materials, the shipping containers the materials come in, the boats that haul those containers, the plant that refines the metal they use in production for all of those things....

Basically, it is possible that if you buy a Hyundai car that it literally has touched nothing other than other things made by Hyundai until it rolled off the production line.
 
2012-11-06 07:18:07 AM  

yukichigai: A.K.A. Geo Metro


don't knock the Metro...awesome little machine.
/50+mpg ftw!
 
2012-11-06 07:49:34 AM  

Triumph: nekom: Yamaha makes guitars. Mind blown yet?

Mitsubishi makes satellites and refrigerators.


Mitsubishi is probably the largest manufacturing corporation in the world. They make everything from big screen tv's to toasters. And we keep buying their shiat. And guess what? Just about everything they make sucks.
 
2012-11-06 07:52:13 AM  

nekom: Gig103: I didn't realize Suzuki made cars (just motorcycles in my head), so for a moment I thought subby meant Subaru.

Yamaha makes guitars. Mind blown yet?


I once owned a Yamaha guitar. Worst piece of shiat I ever played. Never buying a Japanese made instrument ever again. I know that they can produce a good instrument, but I am forever biased towards buying American made musical instruments. Electronics? Bah, who cares, but when it comes to guitars, nothing from overseas ever again.
 
2012-11-06 08:06:37 AM  
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R.I.P. Kissy Suzuki
 
2012-11-06 08:07:31 AM  

yukichigai: Triumph: nekom: Yamaha makes guitars. Mind blown yet?

Mitsubishi makes satellites and refrigerators.

Hyundai makes cars, but they also make EVERY PART INVOLVED IN MAKING THEIR CARS. Not just the assembly line machines, but the vehicles that ship the materials, the shipping containers the materials come in, the boats that haul those containers, the plant that refines the metal they use in production for all of those things....

Basically, it is possible that if you buy a Hyundai car that it literally has touched nothing other than other things made by Hyundai until it rolled off the production line.


Don't they have farms too, possibly having workers that eat company food?

I wonder what it means for Suzuki Canada. Not that there's many of their cars here either. In Quebec it's the Mazda craze when it comes to Japanese cars. Almost as many as Hondas.
 
2012-11-06 08:08:01 AM  

Gig103: I didn't realize Suzuki made cars (just motorcycles in my head), so for a moment I thought subby meant Subaru.


You are not alone. It's early, it's election day, and all I could do was sorta blink and go "... but... but... I wanted a BRZ..."
 
2012-11-06 08:16:56 AM  
I got a Grand Vitara as a rental "courtesy upgrade" (translation: we ran out of cheap cars) a few years ago. It wasn't a bad ride, certainly better for 6'2" me than the roller skate I had reserved. But the experience didn't make me want to put it on my short list for my next car, either.
 
2012-11-06 08:37:02 AM  

qsblues: I once owned a Yamaha guitar. Worst piece of shiat I ever played. Never buying a Japanese made instrument ever again. I know that they can produce a good instrument, but I am forever biased towards buying American made musical instruments. Electronics? Bah, who cares, but when it comes to guitars, nothing from overseas ever again.


Yamaha Pianos are really nice and will last 40 plus years with just an occasional tuning.
 
2012-11-06 08:44:42 AM  
I've never driven a Suzuki, but I was under the impression that the SX4 was a decent little car that was comparable to the MINI except with AWD.
 
kab
2012-11-06 08:50:21 AM  

nekom: Yamaha makes guitars. Mind blown yet?


And drums. And pianos.
 
2012-11-06 09:09:35 AM  

omahatattoo: I've never driven a Suzuki, but I was under the impression that the SX4 was a decent little car that was comparable to the MINI except with AWD.


not really. tall ride height creates an issue with body roll in corners. and poor mpg for its segment (22/30 with stick and FWD, 23/29 CVT & awd).

I have a soft spot for the Kizashi. Perhaps the depreciation will really kick in now, hmmmm.
 
2012-11-06 09:10:17 AM  

omahatattoo: I've never driven a Suzuki, but I was under the impression that the SX4 was a decent little car that was comparable to the MINI except with AWD.


Same here, although I have driven a couple Suzukis. The SX4 isn't a "nice" car - but it strikes me as a great little beater if you want or need AWD. Fuel economy was kind of lacking though. I also like the Kizashi more than most "midsize" sedans - it's similar in size to the older Mazda6, which I find much better than the large "midsize" crowd out there now.

But, I have no idea where the closest Suzuki car dealer is/was even located. Kind of a shame, I hate having fewer choices out there.
 
2012-11-06 09:20:38 AM  
My dad found an '87 Samurai in Arizona which he keeps there for going four-wheeling in the desert... it's pretty slow on the highway, but it'll go places where his diesel GMC won't fit.

IMO, the Samurai got badly jobbed by the press. I can't believe it would be any tippier than a Jeep CJ or Wrangler.
 
2012-11-06 09:42:15 AM  

Triumph: nekom: Yamaha makes guitars. Mind blown yet?

Mitsubishi makes satellites and refrigerators.


Mitsubishi also makes (and I am not making this up) canned vegetables and beer and cameras and soft drinks. (They've sold canned foods under the "Three Diamond" brand before, own Kirin Beer, and own Nikon. They also now own at least one Coca-Cola bottling plant in Japan.)

Folks don't realise how absolutely huge and diverse zaibatsu companies actually are (and the Korean chaebols are almost as diverse--Samsung not only makes smartphones but runs its own insurance company, store chains (under a non-Samsung brand) and a heavy-construction firm (Hyundai is almost as spread out) and Lotte literally covers everything from soup to nuts (food manufacturing, a Korean grocery chain that has some rather large stores in the US, hospitality services, and energy production).

The US doesn't really have anything to compare with Japanese mega-companies, and about the closest we've come to chaebols have been the operations of GE and GM and RCA back in the day (and arguably some entertainment companies nowadays, but you still don't have, say, Disney buying up M&M/Mars; you DO have that situation in Korea and Japan).
 
2012-11-06 09:54:57 AM  

Fubegra: IMO, the Samurai got badly jobbed by the press. I can't believe it would be any tippier than a Jeep CJ or Wrangler.


They weren't see also Bronco II, GM Truck Gas Tank fiasco, and many other what you are driving will kill you stories the press has done.
 
2012-11-06 10:23:33 AM  
Too bad, the Kizashi was one car I would consider. Sporty, available AWD, low price, good MPG, ETC. I'm really not in the market though at the moment.
Link
 
2012-11-06 10:43:11 AM  

kab: nekom: Yamaha makes guitars. Mind blown yet?

And drums. And pianos.


And brass instruments. I played a Yamaha bass trombone in high school, then bought one of my own in college. Beautiful horn, and difficult to overblow, even with a Bach Mega Tone mouthpiece.
 
2012-11-06 11:00:23 AM  
Maybe they'll start selling the DRZ 400SM in the states again... one can hope.
 
2012-11-06 11:05:03 AM  
Great. The warranty on our XL7 just expired. I wonder if there's even a point in trying to sell it...
 
2012-11-06 11:49:43 AM  
Maybe if they didn't sell a shiatty car and call it an 'Esteem' maybe it would have sold.
 
2012-11-06 12:05:37 PM  
Well, time to see if I can get a blowout deal on an 'Equator' pick-up truck...(they are pretty much stripped down, rebadged Nissan Frontiers)
 
2012-11-06 12:26:23 PM  

qsblues: nekom: Gig103: I didn't realize Suzuki made cars (just motorcycles in my head), so for a moment I thought subby meant Subaru.

Yamaha makes guitars. Mind blown yet?

I once owned a Yamaha guitar. Worst piece of shiat I ever played. Never buying a Japanese made instrument ever again. I know that they can produce a good instrument, but I am forever biased towards buying American made musical instruments. Electronics? Bah, who cares, but when it comes to guitars, nothing from overseas ever again.


Why? Gibson, Fender, even Martin and Taylor will happily sell you a piece of shiat, too, if you aren't careful in the music store. My experience with Yamaha acoustics has been mostly good. I did get a horrible one for my first guitar as a kid, though, because my mom had no clue what she was buying.
 
2012-11-06 12:35:28 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: Triumph: nekom: Yamaha makes guitars. Mind blown yet?

Mitsubishi makes satellites and refrigerators.

Mitsubishi also makes (and I am not making this up) canned vegetables and beer and cameras and soft drinks. (They've sold canned foods under the "Three Diamond" brand before, own Kirin Beer, and own Nikon. They also now own at least one Coca-Cola bottling plant in Japan.)

Folks don't realise how absolutely huge and diverse zaibatsu companies actually are (and the Korean chaebols are almost as diverse--Samsung not only makes smartphones but runs its own insurance company, store chains (under a non-Samsung brand) and a heavy-construction firm (Hyundai is almost as spread out) and Lotte literally covers everything from soup to nuts (food manufacturing, a Korean grocery chain that has some rather large stores in the US, hospitality services, and energy production).

The US doesn't really have anything to compare with Japanese mega-companies, and about the closest we've come to chaebols have been the operations of GE and GM and RCA back in the day (and arguably some entertainment companies nowadays, but you still don't have, say, Disney buying up M&M/Mars; you DO have that situation in Korea and Japan).



This is the greatest thing to ever come out of Lotte

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pOoSe2K5DU
 
2012-11-06 12:37:16 PM  

qsblues: nekom: Gig103: I didn't realize Suzuki made cars (just motorcycles in my head), so for a moment I thought subby meant Subaru.

Yamaha makes guitars. Mind blown yet?

I once owned a Yamaha guitar. Worst piece of shiat I ever played. Never buying a Japanese made instrument ever again. I know that they can produce a good instrument, but I am forever biased towards buying American made musical instruments. Electronics? Bah, who cares, but when it comes to guitars, nothing from overseas ever again.


You really needed to take it to be checked. Yammies are awesome guitars- the low end (Pacifica 112) are solid beginner instruments and the high end are the match of anything put out from other maker's custom shops. Used prices on the really high end ones (Pacifica 1412, SBG 3000) are above what they originally sold for. My 1990 Pacifica 921 is a truly great guitar with lots of nice touches you can't find elsewhere- the neck joint is the best I've ever seen, using a milled aluminum plate to fit everything together. All bolt necks should be made the same way

/Son has a Yamaha flute as well. Seems to be the standard introductory instrument- virtually every flautist has the same one.
 
2012-11-06 12:46:04 PM  

Eps05: In Quebec it's the Mazda craze when it comes to Japanese cars. Almost as many as Hondas.


This. Whenever we go to Montreal, we play the Mazda game and see how many Mazdas we can find in a simple walk from the hotel to St. Catherine or wherever else we're going. Never fails that we'll see 20 Mazdas in a five-block stroll.
 
2012-11-06 02:03:51 PM  
I test drove an Aerio SX hatchback vs. a Scion xB and a Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe. Ultimately I got the Scion even though the Suzuki had a better warranty, because, well, Suzuki wasn't reviewed favorably at all in Consumer Reports. I hear they make decent motor bikes, though.

/Love my Scion Toaster!
 
2012-11-06 02:13:40 PM  

drateR: Maybe they'll start selling the DRZ 400SM in the states again... one can hope.


Can't you just put street tires on a regular DRZ 400?
 
2012-11-06 02:18:27 PM  

MBZ321: Well, time to see if I can get a blowout deal on an 'Equator' pick-up truck...(they are pretty much stripped down, rebadged Nissan Frontiers)


Badass trucks too. Petersons 4 wheel did a trek across Siberia with a pair of them pulling "off road" rated pop-up campers. By the end of the trip, the campers shook themselves to pieces on the crappy roads while the trucks made it with only minimal issues.

I wouldn't mind having one.
 
2012-11-06 02:29:25 PM  
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2012-11-06 02:39:54 PM  

Triumph: nekom: Yamaha makes guitars. Mind blown yet?

Mitsubishi makes satellites and refrigerators.


Samsung builds ships.
 
2012-11-06 02:46:33 PM  

qsblues: Triumph: nekom: Yamaha makes guitars. Mind blown yet?

Mitsubishi makes satellites and refrigerators.

Mitsubishi is probably the largest manufacturing corporation in the world. They make everything from big screen tv's to toasters. And we keep buying their shiat. And guess what? Just about everything they make sucks.


They used to make some pretty awesome planes too
 
2012-11-06 02:46:36 PM  

yukichigai: Triumph: nekom: Yamaha makes guitars. Mind blown yet?

Mitsubishi makes satellites and refrigerators.

Hyundai makes cars, but they also make EVERY PART INVOLVED IN MAKING THEIR CARS. Not just the assembly line machines, but the vehicles that ship the materials, the shipping containers the materials come in, the boats that haul those containers, the plant that refines the metal they use in production for all of those things....

Basically, it is possible that if you buy a Hyundai car that it literally has touched nothing other than other things made by Hyundai until it rolled off the production line.


My 1995 Elantra had a Mitsubishi transmission. I know because I had to buy another one at 50,000 miles - and it was an automatic.
 
2012-11-06 02:50:31 PM  
Their reliability rankings were almost always in the toilet. I'm not surprised.
 
2012-11-06 03:15:51 PM  
They just got Daewoo'd.
 
2012-11-06 03:24:19 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: yukichigai: Triumph: nekom: Yamaha makes guitars. Mind blown yet?

Mitsubishi makes satellites and refrigerators.

Hyundai makes cars, but they also make EVERY PART INVOLVED IN MAKING THEIR CARS. Not just the assembly line machines, but the vehicles that ship the materials, the shipping containers the materials come in, the boats that haul those containers, the plant that refines the metal they use in production for all of those things....

Basically, it is possible that if you buy a Hyundai car that it literally has touched nothing other than other things made by Hyundai until it rolled off the production line.

My 1995 Elantra had a Mitsubishi transmission. I know because I had to buy another one at 50,000 miles - and it was an automatic.


Well, the Hyundais with Mitsu innards were kind of infamous for blowing their own transmissions (pretty much an issue with the original Excel onwards)--once they started building their own transmissions, things did get better :D
 
2012-11-06 03:49:01 PM  

eKonk: drateR: Maybe they'll start selling the DRZ 400SM in the states again... one can hope.

Can't you just put street tires on a regular DRZ 400?


Yeah, but they have different forks. And storing an extra set of wheels isn't ideal in a studio apt.

However, I checked a local dealer and it seems they are importing them again now.
 
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