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2012-11-06 08:39:31 AM

BarkingUnicorn: "I haven't decided yet" is a polite way of saying, "none of your business."


Best way that I've ever heard to say this came from my dad to a pollster. "You know, our ancestors fought for a secret ballot so that no one could pressure them into voting against their interests. People risked their lives, some lost their lives, just so that we could have the privileged of a secret ballot. Who am I to spit on their graves by publicly proclaiming my vote?"
 
2012-11-06 08:40:56 AM
And after all this time, you're still trying to make up your minds. The overwhelmingly likely reason is this: You have the reasoning power of a baked potato.

Or maybe they just don't follow politics at all. STFU asshole. Everyone should go out and vote and everyone should be encouraging everyone to go out and vote.
 
2012-11-06 08:46:40 AM

Happy Hours: A coward? He knows he won't win. I know he won't win. Standing up for your beliefs in the face of certain defeat is cowardice?


Yet he suckles from the Republican teat when it comes time for a race he can win. If he were truly principled he would be a Libertarian full-time, not part-time. My point is that you claim to have made a vote based on principles, yet you voted for a man with less principles than the two major-party candidates.
 
2012-11-06 08:47:30 AM

Happy Hours: Why do you want everyone to vote? Many people are morons


If you don't vote then the amount that politicians care about your demographic shrinks. Turning up and writing in "Robot Nixon" is better than not voting as at least you're bringing up the count for your demographic turning up at the polls.

This is why medicare is a sacred cow (at least for people who are currently old) and why student loans cannot be discharged through bankruptcy. Politicians care about old people because they turn up to the polls, why would they waste much time and effort appealing to young people who will probably sleep in anyway?
 
2012-11-06 08:49:55 AM

Happy Hours: quatchi: Happy Hours: Well, like I said, if Obama loses Colorado you can thank me.

Gary Johnson drains off a few young naive pot head votes but the he also drains off the votes of old people too embarrassed to vote GOP and too conditioned to not vote Dem so my guess is that it'll end up a wash and GJ and his voters will have a minimal, practically nonexistent impact if they don't actually end up helping Obama by splitting the RW vote.

Just a guess, of course.

I would love to vote for a Republican for president, just not Romney and unfortunately he was probably the best of all his opponents in the primaries (e.g. Santorum, Perry, Bachman, Gingrich).

If I'm embarrassed to vote Republican for president it's because they failed to produce any candidates I could support.

I've voted for Democrats before. I've even voted for Democrats in presidential elections before so it's not that I'm " too conditioned to not vote Dem". It's hard to say how Johnson voters would split if they had to choose between Romney and Obama. It's easy to say it's a wash, but you have nothing to back that up.

robotpirateninja: Actually your vote made Romney a more likely President. So you didn't vote against him, you helped him quite a bit.

Are you a farking moran? I already acknowledged that. By "Not Romney" I meant Obama. Was that not obvious to you? 

Let me repeat what I said earlier. I was very tempted to vote for Obama because I really don't want Romney in the White House.

Should I type that more slowly so it can sink in?

But I decided that I could not in good conscience vote for an asshole that I didn't believe in so despite running the risk of handing the election to Romney I voted for Gary Johnson.


I don't think you understand how the electoral college works in swift states. Johnson won't get those EC votes, but you've made it more likely Romney will win. If you really wanted to.vote against him, you'd have to have done so.
 
2012-11-06 08:49:59 AM

Happy Hours: There are other issues. There are civil rights, foreign policy and economic issues all of which Obama sucks at. Sure, Romney may suck more but that doesn't make Obama good at any of them.


There are plenty of criticisms to level against Obama, but him not being any good at foreign policy or economic issues doesn't strike me as objectively sincere on any level. Then again, I think Libertarianism is a stupid dream. For every good civil liberty position (legalize prostitution, marijuana), there is a disastrous fiscal policy that would plunge us into a complete collapse (abolish the Fed, slash governmental spending by 43% immediately). Moreover, the Federal government needs to be broad in certain areas. History teaches us that the states cannot be trusted to oversee certain civil rights (abortion, fair housing, employment equality, environmental regulations, terrorism prevention, etc). Plus he cites Ayn Rand as a major influence. But hey, congratulations on learning nothing from history and throwing your vote away on someone who, if they ever got power and enacted his policies, would surely destroy us all so you can light up a joint with your buddies in a public place.

/rant
 
2012-11-06 08:52:14 AM

DeaH: BarkingUnicorn: "I haven't decided yet" is a polite way of saying, "none of your business."

Best way that I've ever heard to say this came from my dad to a pollster. "You know, our ancestors fought for a secret ballot so that no one could pressure them into voting against their interests. People risked their lives, some lost their lives, just so that we could have the privileged of a secret ballot. Who am I to spit on their graves by publicly proclaiming my vote?"


If you know who you're voting for, you're not really undecided. I don't think the article was directed at people like your father.

If you don't include people who don't like to disclose who they're voting for and limit the field to people who are literally walking up to the voting booth unsure of what candidate they're going to vote for , then yes, those people really should stay home. Having a last minute change of heart is one thing (do you REALLY think President Romney is a good idea? Really?), but walking up to the booth totally clueless about which candidate you support is inexcusable. If you can't bother to be informed or form a rational opinion, you shouldn't participate in the process. An informed electorate is important for democracy, not a bunch of morons pushing random buttons with no knowledge of what they represent.
 
2012-11-06 09:11:22 AM
Dear Third-party voters,

Were you happy when Bush Jr. was re-elected? No? THEN F*CKING VOTE FOR ONE OF THE TWO PARTIES THAT HAS AN ACTUAL CHANCE OF WINNING. You're not "voting your concience", you're not "making a statement", you're making it easier for the shiattier candidates to win. "But, our two-party system has created two camps of extremists!" you cry. Well, you're f*cking wrong. A two-party system means more moderates and less extremists. It's f*cking science, biatches.

So please, when you vote today, pick the Democrat or the Republican candidate that you most agree with, because third-parties are just f*cking things up.

Sincerely,
Harbinger of the Doomed Rat
 
2012-11-06 09:11:50 AM

robotpirateninja: I don't think you understand how the electoral college works in swift states. Johnson won't get those EC votes, but you've made it more likely Romney will win. If you really wanted to.vote against him, you'd have to have done so.


Your reading comprehension sucks ass.

I understand how the electoral college works I'm not sure you do though. I'm well aware that Johnson won't get those EC votes but the fact remains that as of this moment nobody can say for certain whether Obama or Romney will get them.

And if you could farking read you'd understand that the choice for me was between "Not Romney" and my conscience.

You should just tear up your ballot right now because you cannot even understand the simplest of English words.

You're a farking moran. Yeah, I hope Romney does not win, but OTOH I cannot in good conscience throw my support behind Obama to achieve that goal.

And yes, I understand that if I had voted for Obama it would make it less likely that Romney would win in Colorado and thus it would be more likely that Obama would get the EC votes instead of Romney. That's just too farking bad.

If I had favored Romney over Obama, but voted for Johnson you could just as well be arguing that my Johnson vote made it that much more likely that Obama would win.

So which candidate does my Gary Johnson vote help? Obama or Romney? It doesn't farking help either one of them. It hurts both of them because I could just as easily marked Obama or Romney on my ballot, but I didn't. 

People as stupid as you should not be allowed to vote at all.
 
2012-11-06 09:14:37 AM
Everyone gets a vote even the stoopid. That is how democracy works.

//Look at the poor white folks from the mid west that continue to vote GOP so they can protect themselves from the gheys.
 
2012-11-06 09:18:26 AM

Happy Hours: robotpirateninja: I don't think you understand how the electoral college works in swift states. Johnson won't get those EC votes, but you've made it more likely Romney will win. If you really wanted to.vote against him, you'd have to have done so.

Your reading comprehension sucks ass.

I understand how the electoral college works I'm not sure you do though. I'm well aware that Johnson won't get those EC votes but the fact remains that as of this moment nobody can say for certain whether Obama or Romney will get them.

And if you could farking read you'd understand that the choice for me was between "Not Romney" and my conscience.

You should just tear up your ballot right now because you cannot even understand the simplest of English words.

You're a farking moran. Yeah, I hope Romney does not win, but OTOH I cannot in good conscience throw my support behind Obama to achieve that goal.

And yes, I understand that if I had voted for Obama it would make it less likely that Romney would win in Colorado and thus it would be more likely that Obama would get the EC votes instead of Romney. That's just too farking bad.

If I had favored Romney over Obama, but voted for Johnson you could just as well be arguing that my Johnson vote made it that much more likely that Obama would win.

So which candidate does my Gary Johnson vote help? Obama or Romney? It doesn't farking help either one of them. It hurts both of them because I could just as easily marked Obama or Romney on my ballot, but I didn't. 

People as stupid as you should not be allowed to vote at all.


I especially love the part where you admit your vote has absolutely zero impact and then you call other people "stupid."
 
2012-11-06 09:21:09 AM

Teufelaffe: I especially love the part where you admit your vote has absolutely zero impact and then you call other people "stupid."


Please point out where I "admit" my "vote has absolutely zero impact".

And yes, you are stupid for even thinking that.
 
2012-11-06 09:32:34 AM

Happy Hours: Please point out where I "admit" my "vote has absolutely zero impact".


Happy Hours: So which candidate does my Gary Johnson vote help? Obama or Romney? It doesn't farking help either one of them.


It's pretty sad when you're having trouble keeping up with your own posts.

And to head off your inevitable "b-b-but I said it hurt them!" response; no it didn't, and if you're smarter than your shoes, you know it didn't. A vote for a third-party candidate does not hurt the two major candidates in any way, shape, or form. Your vote accomplished nothing, you know it accomplished nothing, but you wanted to feel better about your accomplishing nothing, so you tried to dress it up as "hurting" the two major candidates.
 
2012-11-06 09:39:25 AM
NPR interviewed a Marine no longer serving (since you folks get pissy if people say ex- or former) who admitted he's always been a registered Republican, has always voted Republican, and will probably vote Romney, but just isn't quite 100% sure yet.

He runs a small cigar shop, and Romney is just going to be so good for small businesses he thinks he's going to have to vote for him, but is worried about Romney putting more troops in harms way, which is something he says he is always against. He also believes we really need to get our spending under control and he thinks Romney is the guy for that. But he said his first issue was the military aspect - in which he wants less chance of war and not more. So ya, there is your undecided voter and that is one of the more intelligent ones.
 
2012-11-06 09:57:13 AM

Teufelaffe: Happy Hours: Please point out where I "admit" my "vote has absolutely zero impact".

Happy Hours: So which candidate does my Gary Johnson vote help? Obama or Romney? It doesn't farking help either one of them.

It's pretty sad when you're having trouble keeping up with your own posts.

And to head off your inevitable "b-b-but I said it hurt them!" response; no it didn't, and if you're smarter than your shoes, you know it didn't. A vote for a third-party candidate does not hurt the two major candidates in any way, shape, or form. Your vote accomplished nothing, you know it accomplished nothing, but you wanted to feel better about your accomplishing nothing, so you tried to dress it up as "hurting" the two major candidates.


So you utterly failed to point out that I admitted that my vote had zero impact and you also completely failed point out which of the 2 major candidates my vote helped.

You say my vote had no impact and yet others say my vote helps Romney. How can it be both? I could just as easily (even more easily actually) have not voted at all and if the election is not decided by one vote have said my vote didn't matter anyway.

Ever heard of a concept called "fallacy of compositioni"?

What if thousands or millions of people stayed home and didn't vote because they believed their single vote didn't matter?

And why would my vote suddenly matter if I had voted for Obama instead of Johnson? Do you really think Obama is going to carry Colorado by a single farking vote? By your logic nobody in this state should even bother voting because everyone else will decide for us.

There were a number of other things besides President on my ballot. Did my vote matter for those? Are you going to tell me my vote for state senator, state representative and federal congressman didn't matter either? I might have voted for a loser in at least one of those elections too.

What about the 3 state amendments on the ballot. My vote didn't matter either? I'd be surprised if the vote goes my way on all 3 of those amendments. So would my vote only matter on the ones that go the way I voted? Why? Do you think they're all going to pass by just one farking vote? 

So please just 'fess up and tell me where and when my vote actually matters. If I vote for a winning candidate that would have won without my vote, does it matter that I voted? If I vote for a losing candidate that had no chance does it matter that I voted?

Same questions, but applied to ballot initiatives instead of candidates.

Maybe we should just take away voting rights from everyone since no single vote is likely to sway an election. Let's just resort to a good old monarchy or maybe a dictatorship. After all, your vote doesn't farking matter.


That's basically what you're arguing for.
 
2012-11-06 09:59:00 AM

Smackledorfer: NPR interviewed a Marine no longer serving (since you folks get pissy if people say ex- or former) who admitted he's always been a registered Republican, has always voted Republican, and will probably vote Romney, but just isn't quite 100% sure yet.

He runs a small cigar shop, and Romney is just going to be so good for small businesses he thinks he's going to have to vote for him, but is worried about Romney putting more troops in harms way, which is something he says he is always against. He also believes we really need to get our spending under control and he thinks Romney is the guy for that. But he said his first issue was the military aspect - in which he wants less chance of war and not more. So ya, there is your undecided voter and that is one of the more intelligent ones.


Well, obviously he shouldn't even bother voting - just ask twatwaffle. Any vote is basically a waste of time according to her..
 
2012-11-06 10:08:14 AM

Happy Hours: Smackledorfer: NPR interviewed a Marine no longer serving (since you folks get pissy if people say ex- or former) who admitted he's always been a registered Republican, has always voted Republican, and will probably vote Romney, but just isn't quite 100% sure yet.

He runs a small cigar shop, and Romney is just going to be so good for small businesses he thinks he's going to have to vote for him, but is worried about Romney putting more troops in harms way, which is something he says he is always against. He also believes we really need to get our spending under control and he thinks Romney is the guy for that. But he said his first issue was the military aspect - in which he wants less chance of war and not more. So ya, there is your undecided voter and that is one of the more intelligent ones.

Well, obviously he shouldn't even bother voting - just ask twatwaffle. Any vote is basically a waste of time according to her..


You are a very special kind of stupid.

But since you're so very, very, convinced that you're not, please explain to the class how your vote for a third-party in an election that will not be won by a third-party is different from not voting. Let me be abundantly clear here, I am talking about YOUR vote. Not voting in general, not "what if millions of people voted for Honey Boo-Boo", but YOUR specific vote. So, please, regale us with your incredible brilliance and tell us how your one vote for a third-party means more to Obama and Romney than if you'd simply left that portion of the ballot blank.
 
2012-11-06 10:47:23 AM

Teufelaffe: please explain to the class how your vote for a third-party in an election that will not be won by a third-party is different from not voting.


Polls are one thing, but actual votes are more concrete. Even if a third party candidate fails to win, it will be a clear message sent out to the two primary parties that X number of people DO vote and WILL vote in favor of the ideas espoused by the third party candidate. Additionally, if a candidate loses because of a split on their 'side' of the political spectrum, the party may decide that the best way to move forward is to shift their values to be more inclusive of that viewpoint.

Now, this doesn't always happen, and I couldn't tell you an exact value for how much any given % of the vote going to a third party candidate directly affects the primary candidates, but you asked how it was different to vote for a third party vs. not voting, and there you have it: you are on record as a likely voter who has an opinion, and presumably are a potential voter to be picked up by a different candidate in the future.

Real world example would be the tea party. Their fielding of candidates and winning ground (and yes I know they aren't a real grassroots movement, but they are a self-identified voting group with viewpoints none-the-less) has had an effect on the views and attitudes of the republican party candidates (and not just the presidency) in the 2012 election.

On the opposite side, if a substantial number of people simply repeat BSRB and don't bother showing up (and btw, there is a lot more going on with respect to your ballot than the presidential candidates or even just the party candidates. You've got various county proposals, amendments to the state constitution, local offices, etc - if you don't vote at all then you are a farking idiot and deserve whatever bullshiat officials wind up in charge of your criminal justice system, controlling the way your taxes are spent, and you ought to be slapped if you stayed home and then biatch about a millage increase of some kind).
 
2012-11-06 10:56:30 AM

Teufelaffe: Let me be abundantly clear here, I am talking about YOUR vote. Not voting in general, not "what if millions of people voted for Honey Boo-Boo", but YOUR specific vote. So, please, regale us with your incredible brilliance and tell us how your one vote for a third-party means more to Obama and Romney than if you'd simply left that portion of the ballot blank.


Oh, and tragedy of the commons is a reason to act DESPITE your individual actions being too small to enact change, not an excuse to sit on your ass and shrug your shoulders. This applies to voting as well.

But if you want to play that "how does just my little ol' lonely vote matter" with respect to third parties, why not play it wrt to major players too? Why aren't you also whining about how your vote for the president doesn't count either, even though it is for one of the big two candidates, because the election didn't come down to a single vote? Or are you playing that stupid game as well (I haven't read the entire thread)?
 
2012-11-06 11:04:33 AM
Lastly (go go triple post! Threemendous!),

When it comes to voting for the President candidates, while I will insist voting 3rd party is better than not voting, I still think people need to accept that they will never, EVER, have the perfect candidate and will always be voting for the lesser of 2 (or 3, or 4, whatever) evils. But despite what many third partiers claim, the two parties are indeed very different. There are a potential two supreme court justice seats to be appointed in the next four years. If you care about nothing else, you should at least be capable of casting a vote in favor of the lesser evil as it pertains to such a long-lasting position.

You should also, if you really do care about the system and vote third party as a result, try to be active in one, or both, of the big two parties' primaries. Real policy issues within parties are decided at that level, and you can have an effect there (depending on your state order, sadly). You should also apply the same scrutiny to your third party candidate as you do to Barack or Romney. That is something I see lacking the most in the average third-party voter. They know everything about the main candidates and thus can talk for hours about their flaws (many of which I'll find myself nodding along with). But because their own candidate is such a small fry, and because they themselves know he/she won't win, they don't even bother learning much about them. This holds true for greens and libertarians alike. By all means get upset at the actions of Republicans and Democrats. Compare them, but don't forget to contrast them as well, and check yourself before you find you are putting a third party on a pedestal merely because it is different, as opposed to because it is truly better.
 
2012-11-06 03:06:19 PM

xria: DeathByGeekSquad: I love the peer pressure people are putting on each other to vote.

I don't like or support any candidates, ergo, I'm not voting. I won't vote because I feel it does much more harm than good to vote for the 'lesser of two evils' (a phrase I hear quite a bit around election season). I won't vote because it's my right to make that choice (abstain). I won't vote because I understand that politicians will view any vote as support of their entire platform, not just a particular portion that I happen to agree with.

While I would prefer that some individuals I've spoken with wouldn't vote, I can respect another's decision to vote even if they won't respect mine not to vote. I don't have to agree with your reasons, you don't have to agree with mine.

I really don't agree with the pressures people put on each other to vote.

Please explain (and not using Fox News as your news source) how Obama could even remotely be considered "evil", lesser or not.

/yeah, yeah, I know he is black already, that doesn't count as a reason for me, maybe it does for you and 40+% of America though


You should know that I don't trust the media to report anything accurately, and as such, generally bounce to their source material when applicable to bypass any slant for ratings/pageviews (the media is operating a business, they always work to generate those).

Obama is from Chicago, where I am from, and I understand the Chicago political landscape - you do not move up the ranks of the Chicago political scene without being signed off on, and you don't get signed off on unless you're willing to do what needs to be done. That is the Chicago political scene. There are many, many books on the subject of Chicago political corruption, hell, even Illinois-wide corruption. We held our first political corruption trials a scant two years after becoming a state.

I don't trust any politicians, because I have not met a trustworthy politician.
 
2012-11-06 03:14:19 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: xria: DeathByGeekSquad: I love the peer pressure people are putting on each other to vote.

I don't like or support any candidates, ergo, I'm not voting. I won't vote because I feel it does much more harm than good to vote for the 'lesser of two evils' (a phrase I hear quite a bit around election season). I won't vote because it's my right to make that choice (abstain). I won't vote because I understand that politicians will view any vote as support of their entire platform, not just a particular portion that I happen to agree with.

While I would prefer that some individuals I've spoken with wouldn't vote, I can respect another's decision to vote even if they won't respect mine not to vote. I don't have to agree with your reasons, you don't have to agree with mine.

I really don't agree with the pressures people put on each other to vote.

Please explain (and not using Fox News as your news source) how Obama could even remotely be considered "evil", lesser or not.

/yeah, yeah, I know he is black already, that doesn't count as a reason for me, maybe it does for you and 40+% of America though

You should know that I don't trust the media to report anything accurately, and as such, generally bounce to their source material when applicable to bypass any slant for ratings/pageviews (the media is operating a business, they always work to generate those).

Obama is from Chicago, where I am from, and I understand the Chicago political landscape - you do not move up the ranks of the Chicago political scene without being signed off on, and you don't get signed off on unless you're willing to do what needs to be done. That is the Chicago political scene. There are many, many books on the subject of Chicago political corruption, hell, even Illinois-wide corruption. We held our first political corruption trials a scant two years after becoming a state.

I don't trust any politicians, because I have not met a trustworthy politician.


"I'm not a Republican, nor a Democrat, nor do I support any Independent parties. However, I'll still talk crap about your 'side' " -deathbygeeksquad

Well, the important thing is you've found a way to feel superior to everyone.
 
2012-11-06 06:17:20 PM

Smackledorfer: DeathByGeekSquad: xria: DeathByGeekSquad: I love the peer pressure people are putting on each other to vote.

I don't like or support any candidates, ergo, I'm not voting. I won't vote because I feel it does much more harm than good to vote for the 'lesser of two evils' (a phrase I hear quite a bit around election season). I won't vote because it's my right to make that choice (abstain). I won't vote because I understand that politicians will view any vote as support of their entire platform, not just a particular portion that I happen to agree with.

While I would prefer that some individuals I've spoken with wouldn't vote, I can respect another's decision to vote even if they won't respect mine not to vote. I don't have to agree with your reasons, you don't have to agree with mine.

I really don't agree with the pressures people put on each other to vote.

Please explain (and not using Fox News as your news source) how Obama could even remotely be considered "evil", lesser or not.

/yeah, yeah, I know he is black already, that doesn't count as a reason for me, maybe it does for you and 40+% of America though

You should know that I don't trust the media to report anything accurately, and as such, generally bounce to their source material when applicable to bypass any slant for ratings/pageviews (the media is operating a business, they always work to generate those).

Obama is from Chicago, where I am from, and I understand the Chicago political landscape - you do not move up the ranks of the Chicago political scene without being signed off on, and you don't get signed off on unless you're willing to do what needs to be done. That is the Chicago political scene. There are many, many books on the subject of Chicago political corruption, hell, even Illinois-wide corruption. We held our first political corruption trials a scant two years after becoming a state.

I don't trust any politicians, because I have not met a trustworthy politician.

"I'm not a Republic ...


When you lower yourself to the level of slinging shiat at each other from entrenched positions that do little to resolve any of the actual problems our nation faces....

You know, the daily routine here on the Politics tab, eh?
 
2012-11-06 08:37:55 PM

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Dear Third-party voters,

Were you happy when Bush Jr. was re-elected? No? THEN F*CKING VOTE FOR ONE OF THE TWO PARTIES THAT HAS AN ACTUAL CHANCE OF WINNING. You're not "voting your concience", you're not "making a statement", you're making it easier for the shiattier candidates to win. "But, our two-party system has created two camps of extremists!" you cry. Well, you're f*cking wrong. A two-party system means more moderates and less extremists. It's f*cking science, biatches.

So please, when you vote today, pick the Democrat or the Republican candidate that you most agree with, because third-parties are just f*cking things up.

Sincerely,
Harbinger of the Doomed Rat


An attitude like that ensures mediocre Dem and Rep candidates constantly getting elected. How can you disagree?
 
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