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2012-11-06 12:20:41 AM  
I doubt the election is being stolen. But if it is, that's treason and the death penalty is in order.
 
2012-11-06 12:21:14 AM  

skullkrusher: I know that the "liberal" media isn't ignoring it out of negligence of maliciousness. But you're right, if I were gonna rig an election, I'd have a farking contract and a paper trail chronicling my evil doing. I wouldn't try to do it on the sly. It just makes perfect sense!


I believe you would be stupid enough to have a contract. Just as I believe the guy in charge would have to have something in writing to get a change done. And he would be stupid enough to put it in writing. They have to get paid, after all.

Yes. Stupid birds of a feather. Thanks for admitting you are clueless AND willing to overlook this, since it's not Democrats...
 
2012-11-06 12:22:02 AM  
You didn't expect Republicans to win on their platform, did you?
 
2012-11-06 12:22:11 AM  

MFK: you have to actually sign your ballot? I thought they were supposed to be secret ballots?


I don't know how those ballots work, but when I vote for my local credit union's board of directors it goes like this:
- Mark choices on ballot
- Put ballot into generic envelope #1
- Put that envelope into slightly larger envelope #2 which has my account number (or something) on it
- Put envelope #2 into the mail

In theory at least, when the envelope is received they first verify (from envelope #2) that I am eligible to vote and then put sealed envelope #1 into an anonymous pile to be opened and counted in the next phase.
 
2012-11-06 12:22:11 AM  

skullkrusher: you're cute when yer dum


Deflect!!!! Deflect!!

If this were a Democrat, you'd be calling for an investigation. It's sad people like you exist.
 
2012-11-06 12:23:32 AM  

skullkrusher: mediablitz: But it's okay. Skullcrusher assured everyone it's just tinfoil hat nuttery to even question this. Of course, Obama isn't involved...

you're cute when yer dum


And it's ugly when you are partisan against America...

But you don't "really care" right? You just live in the Politics tab for fun, right?
 
2012-11-06 12:25:56 AM  

Ivo Shandor: MFK: you have to actually sign your ballot? I thought they were supposed to be secret ballots?

I don't know how those ballots work, but when I vote for my local credit union's board of directors it goes like this:
- Mark choices on ballot
- Put ballot into generic envelope #1
- Put that envelope into slightly larger envelope #2 which has my account number (or something) on it
- Put envelope #2 into the mail

In theory at least, when the envelope is received they first verify (from envelope #2) that I am eligible to vote and then put sealed envelope #1 into an anonymous pile to be opened and counted in the next phase.


That is exactly how they do the voting here in Oregon.
 
2012-11-06 12:26:06 AM  

mediablitz: skullkrusher: you're cute when yer dum

Deflect!!!! Deflect!!

If this were a Democrat, you'd be calling for an investigation. It's sad people like you exist.


People should most certainly look into this. There should absolutely be transparency in how these machines work. I don't think this is a plot to rig the election though. Of course, what I was responding to - ya know, my post you quoted? - was the implication that the "liberal" media is either intentionally ignoring this to suit an agenda or that they were incompetent and missing a major story. Of course, in your rush to make an ass of yourself, that wasn't too important to you and you decided to invent a position for me. Kudos, sir. You never fail to disappoint. Except your parents. They must be terribly ashamed.
 
2012-11-06 12:27:31 AM  

mediablitz: skullkrusher: I know that the "liberal" media isn't ignoring it out of negligence of maliciousness. But you're right, if I were gonna rig an election, I'd have a farking contract and a paper trail chronicling my evil doing. I wouldn't try to do it on the sly. It just makes perfect sense!

I believe you would be stupid enough to have a contract. Just as I believe the guy in charge would have to have something in writing to get a change done. And he would be stupid enough to put it in writing. They have to get paid, after all.

Yes. Stupid birds of a feather. Thanks for admitting you are clueless AND willing to overlook this, since it's not Democrats...


You must've missed the dozen or so times I've said I am pulling for BO tomorrow, eh? Or maybe that's just part of my ruse...
 
2012-11-06 12:31:49 AM  
If karma is real then Obama will lose Ohio, but still win the election, and the results in Ohio will be so ridiculous that a hand count will be mandated and the feds will sue and the whole thing will get blown open and even unearth evidence from 2004 and the GOP will be forced into working with the Democrats to save face.

I'm really not that optimistic, but it is a possibility.
 
2012-11-06 12:32:57 AM  

mpirooz: If karma is real then Obama will lose Ohio, but still win the election, and the results in Ohio will be so ridiculous that a hand count will be mandated and the feds will sue and the whole thing will get blown open and even unearth evidence from 2004 and the GOP will be forced into working with the Democrats to save face.

I'm really not that optimistic, but it is a possibility.


Yeah and I thought no one would vote for Bush-Cheney the second time around.
 
2012-11-06 12:36:08 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Yeah and I thought no one would vote for Bush-Cheney the second time around.


That's just being naive.
 
2012-11-06 12:36:21 AM  

llachlan: UberDave:
First off, if someone in my office ever wrote something like this, they would be getting an ass whoopin'. And I think in the case of the voting machines, a rigorous enough QA should be able to ferret out any maliciousness hidden in the code. And if I were the person inspecting it for such, the QA process is exactly where I would start - Did they test using real-world data and did they test with a large enough sample?

I think you missed the point that the contest was to obscure the function of the code (or to provide the clue by using white space, either technique is employed). But yeah, I'd take a look at their unit tests and then the regression tests - if they can't produce any of either, insta injunction.



I totally understood what the contest was about. But we're talking about hiding subversive or malicious code in voting machine control software. He was using it as an example of what could be done. I don't think you would get away with such code from a software vendor...especially one that is most likely audited.

I get a lot of undocumented craziness that I have to edit or enhance but if I saw something that looked like one of these hardcore methods in the example, I would smack someone.

CSB - one of my fellow developers, who has since left the company, ripped a Rijndael encryption routine off the internet that was written in VB6. He embedded it in our legacy code because he and the stupid admin were too lazy to create an installshield that registered com exposed .NET libraries to the GAC (where I already had a Rigndael algorithm that consisted of a few lines of code). It took me a day to go through that undocumented nightmare to figure out the block size.
 
2012-11-06 12:38:45 AM  
If this is an attempt to steal the election it's a rather clumsy one and reeks of the desperation one feels when they find themselves further behind than anticipated. Romney needed it to be far closer in Ohio for these efforts to tip the balance, and for that matter he might even lose Florida in the bargain.

Tomorrow is going to be pretty smooth and surprisingly bereft of intrigue, except the artificial kind.
 
2012-11-06 12:38:58 AM  
Husted needs to be hung up by his statisticals.
 
2012-11-06 12:39:30 AM  

Weaver95: DamnYankees: I just can't believe they could get away with blatantly cheating. I just can't. Please tell me I'm not insane.

I never thought I'd see bankers get away with stealing billions right there on live national TV either but that actually happened. not too difficult to believe in a blatant attempt to illegally influence an election after that sad affair.


This
 
2012-11-06 12:39:33 AM  

culebra: Tomorrow is going to be pretty smooth and surprisingly bereft of intrigue, except the artificial kind.


We'll know by 7:30.
 
2012-11-06 12:41:00 AM  
Why the hell are the vendors allowed to use proprietary software in the first place? The code for voting machines should be open source, public record.

If, as a vendor, you don't want that, fine... withdraw your bid. No contract for you.

If that shiat's open source, everyone in the world can hunt for and identify vulnerabilities beforehand and seek out shenanigans and irregularities after the fact.

Clear and transparent elections, biatches.
 
2012-11-06 12:43:06 AM  

pciszek: 11208 John Galt Boulevard


Plug this into google maps:

11208 John Galt Boulevard, Omaha, NE

/ you betcha
 
2012-11-06 12:43:09 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: I may be crazy here, but John Husted seems incredibly ham-handed and terrible at the job of stealing elections.


That's the really terrifying part. If the partisan machinations of anti-democracy demagogues like Husted come across to us as blatant and ham-fisted, than what kind of shiat are smarter people getting away with that we won't ever know about?
 
2012-11-06 12:44:14 AM  

King Something: /what happened to the Smart and Funny buttons?
//is it because this thread was redlit for half a minute?


That's what happens when you install uncertified software patches.

Though this is the second thread I've seen with the buttons missing today.

Lenny_da_Hog: Forbidden Doughnut: Ivo Shandor: Forbidden Doughnut: In my State (Oregon), I fill out a paper ballot using black ink, place it in the official envelope that came with it, and then sign the back. One can drop off the ballot at designated sites or simply mail it in*. AFAIK, I haven't heard of any glaring problems with this method,

Just make sure you fill in every section. If you leave one blank, someone in the mail room will have to help you decide.

*reads article*

Fark, I forgot about that....( Hope they slap a Class C Felony on that a**wipe)

My county. That better be what happens.


Mine, too. Small world.
 
2012-11-06 12:46:08 AM  

skullkrusher: mediablitz: skullkrusher: I know that the "liberal" media isn't ignoring it out of negligence of maliciousness. But you're right, if I were gonna rig an election, I'd have a farking contract and a paper trail chronicling my evil doing. I wouldn't try to do it on the sly. It just makes perfect sense!

I believe you would be stupid enough to have a contract. Just as I believe the guy in charge would have to have something in writing to get a change done. And he would be stupid enough to put it in writing. They have to get paid, after all.

Yes. Stupid birds of a feather. Thanks for admitting you are clueless AND willing to overlook this, since it's not Democrats...

You must've missed the dozen or so times I've said I am pulling for BO tomorrow, eh? Or maybe that's just part of my ruse...


filmbalaya.files.wordpress.com
Doesn't appreciate your ruse.
 
2012-11-06 12:46:18 AM  

poot_rootbeer: cameroncrazy1984: I may be crazy here, but John Husted seems incredibly ham-handed and terrible at the job of stealing elections.

That's the really terrifying part. If the partisan machinations of anti-democracy demagogues like Husted come across to us as blatant and ham-fisted, than what kind of shiat are smarter people getting away with that we won't ever know about?


You'll know on Wednesday morning.
 
2012-11-06 12:47:14 AM  

technicolor-misfit: Clear and transparent elections, biatches.


img171.imageshack.us
Only in Canada, you say? Pity.
 
2012-11-06 12:47:26 AM  

Hollie Maea: Ivo Shandor: MFK: you have to actually sign your ballot? I thought they were supposed to be secret ballots?

I don't know how those ballots work, but when I vote for my local credit union's board of directors it goes like this:
- Mark choices on ballot
- Put ballot into generic envelope #1
- Put that envelope into slightly larger envelope #2 which has my account number (or something) on it
- Put envelope #2 into the mail

In theory at least, when the envelope is received they first verify (from envelope #2) that I am eligible to vote and then put sealed envelope #1 into an anonymous pile to be opened and counted in the next phase.

That is exactly how they do the voting here in Oregon.


Yep, got my vote in for the Pres a couple of weeks ago. Sure is nice living in a civilized state that wants their citizens to vote instead of a state that does everything in its power to make it more difficult.
 
2012-11-06 12:48:37 AM  

GitOffaMyLawn: pciszek: 11208 John Galt Boulevard

Plug this into google maps:

11208 John Galt Boulevard, Omaha, NE

/ you betcha


The hell? Why no street view?
 
2012-11-06 12:57:17 AM  

Miss Stein: GitOffaMyLawn: pciszek: 11208 John Galt Boulevard

Plug this into google maps:

11208 John Galt Boulevard, Omaha, NE

/ you betcha

The hell? Why no street view?


You're surprised that Google's cam-cars haven't been everywhere?
 
2012-11-06 12:59:27 AM  

blender61: Weaver95: DamnYankees: I just can't believe they could get away with blatantly cheating. I just can't. Please tell me I'm not insane.

I never thought I'd see bankers get away with stealing billions right there on live national TV either but that actually happened. not too difficult to believe in a blatant attempt to illegally influence an election after that sad affair.

This


I'm so jaded I figure Roberts' vote on Obamacare was a throw-away. The SCOTUS gives Romney the presidency then overturns Obamacare--if Romney tries to get rid of what he created--through another decision.
 
2012-11-06 01:00:24 AM  
www.security.honeywell.com

jasonjeffrey.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-06 01:02:39 AM  
Remember, the Republicans stated that "The number-one job is to make Obama a one-term president". Considering everything else they've done these last 3.5 years, what's some outright fraud, tampering, and lying?
 
2012-11-06 01:04:02 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Considering everything else they've done these last 3.5 years, what's some outright fraud, tampering, and lying?


I think that's called "tuesday".
 
2012-11-06 01:06:47 AM  
There is are logical questions that weren't addressed in the article.

"being installed at the last minute on electronic vote tabulation systems in 39 Ohio counties."

Exactly which counties and what is their political make-up and voting history? Or more generally, why these particular counties?

Are all the counties with this particular type of machine affected?

straight to federal Court for the source code and at least one machine with the software installed to be disconnected from the system for post election analysis.
 
2012-11-06 01:07:08 AM  
So, we're really not gonna call in federal agents to go to polling places here and check the patch script?

Seriously? Nothing? Just let that slide?

In a country where I scratch my nuts in the boarding line at an airport, I get stripped and x-rayed delayed until my flight leaves me sitting in a holding room with a guy who f*cked up "pizza delivery driver"?

Nothing? Seriously? This is not a problem, here?
 
2012-11-06 01:13:52 AM  

skullkrusher: trolololol


Give it a rest, Husted. We're not buying it.
 
2012-11-06 01:15:31 AM  

MisterTweak: dramboxf: Why can't someone go to the software vendor with a warrant or an injunction or a writ or whatever and say "Source code, NOW!" and check to see if this is legit?

Here's the winners of a programming contest held last month. I am regularly awed by their creations. Also, I'm guessing a large national political party can afford to do a better job hiding a backdoor than a bunch of kids having a little laugh in their spare time. 

If ten lines of code can leave a team of the best programmers in the world scratching their head over what it's basic purpose is, I don't imagine a team of election judges will do much better.


In the future, if there is a future, all election source code must be passed through a panel of sophomore CS students from five randomly picked universities as judges. If they cannot understand it or find a flaw, the company, the developers and c-level execs are never allowed to participate in election device manufacturing for the next 50 years.
 
2012-11-06 01:17:32 AM  

bunner: Nothing? Seriously? This is not a problem, here?


t1.gstatic.com 

/aaaand time for bed. Have fun exercising your democracy tomorrow, folks. (nsfw audio)
 
2012-11-06 01:19:06 AM  
FTA: "Cobol"

WTF? Selection for the most important job in the world comes down to a mnemonic circuit constructed from stone knives and bear skins.
 
2012-11-06 01:22:17 AM  

Girl From The North Country: nekom: DamnYankees: I just can't believe they could get away with blatantly cheating. I just can't. Please tell me I'm not insane.

Never ascribe to malice that which can be easily explained by incompetence. There exists the chance that this is a clerical SNAFU with no nefarious intention behind it. Unless I'm missing something, nobody is making any accusation here other than that software was installed in a way that was not kosher.

this is "unspeakably stupid, excessively complex and insanely risky. In medical terms it is the equivalent of doing open heart surgery as part of a method of removing somebody's hemorrhoids. Whoever came up with this idea is either the dumbest Information Technology professional in the US or has criminal intent against the Ohio election process."


When I read that, in my mind I was hearing it in Toby Ziegler's voice.
 
2012-11-06 01:30:36 AM  
So I am looking at Rove's site and the DiY on 270towin, and noticing some discrepancies. Rove's has FL at 29 EV, MA 11, and NJ at 14; 270 has them at 27, 12, and 15 respectively.

o_O
 
2012-11-06 01:32:42 AM  

cmdwedge: HOW ARE YOU PEOPLE PUTTING UP WITH THIS?!?


The simple answer is that the states are responsible for their own elections; subsequently, there are 50 different sets of voting laws.

If we were to go to a national voting system, the Republicans would argue States' Rights and block any initiative.

Stories like this truly make me ashamed of my country.
 
2012-11-06 01:34:42 AM  

mainstreet62: Britney Spear's Speculum: Shrew2u: The TRO filed against Husted is being heard tomorrow morning, thankfully:

Link to case page at Moritz Law School (pops)

/keeping my fingers, toes, eyes, etc., crossed

Maybe we should cross dicks.

Wow.

There's not much on Fark that renders me speechless, but that brought my entire thought process to a screeching halt.


One thing Fark has taught me: It's not gay if the balls don't touch.
 
2012-11-06 01:43:12 AM  

Delay: FTA: The memo claims that "its function is to aid in the reporting of results" by converting them "into a format that can be read by the Secretary of State's election night reporting system." OK, I read the contract. Basically, the Secretary of State has told the company to do whatever the SoS wants and neither the company nor the SoS will disclose the modification of the voting machines.

Company address? 11208 John Galt Boulevard. A company that picks this as their business address is attempting to make a statement.


They wanted to be around the corner from Omaha Steaks in case something falls off the truck?
 
2012-11-06 01:51:53 AM  

Brontes: Those aren't logical tests but assignment operators int he if statements.

True, but that code prolly wouldnt compile. I don't think you can dereference an enum like that. An enum is like an int, with the values named. Not sure what that code would do if you ran it, nothing good. Maybe that dude was thing of a struct. I hope he doesnt write code for a living.
On topic, having spent stupid amounts of time getting software certified on systems that peoples lives depend on, this story pisses me the fark off.
 
2012-11-06 01:52:22 AM  

pciszek: Delay: Company address? 11208 John Galt Boulevard.

Could you please point to a source on this?


Letterhead. See the footer
 
2012-11-06 01:57:14 AM  

MisterRonbo: pciszek: Delay: Company address? 11208 John Galt Boulevard.

Could you please point to a source on this?

Letterhead. See the footer


Enhancing the voting experience? Why don't they just roll tanks past the polling places and incarcerate anybody not wearing a GOP button? I wonder if, like they did last election year, the city will suddenly have to send out emergency white like and crosswalk painting crews to the intersections of the polling places, including the one across the street from my house. Anybody feeling all at home and brave and free?
 
2012-11-06 02:09:10 AM  

dr_blasto: So, best case there's no instant results. Worst case is tabulation error or fraud in the instant results?

I expect the judge to request source code and final compiled versions. If there's funny business, they should frog march the SOS to jail and arraign him for fraud. If the code is on the up and up, they should still pressure him out of office for such a fantastically absurd breach of security.


Well written covert code can, as far as I'm aware, be exceedingly difficult to spot, even for the experts. There are ways that back doors and exploits can be written into the program's without them looking malicious themselves.
 
2012-11-06 02:27:20 AM  
After reading the thread, I have to say I agree with whoever suggested that this software patch could be to remove actual cheating code prepared in advance.

The contract was made to make sure it could be done in case the election looked so hopeless they would cut their losses and call off the fix in order to not risk the fallout from the original planned fraud actually occurring. Especially since the risk wouldn't be worth it at that point.

Calling it a patch to fix whatever is a good way to cover up the called-off cheating. If this change was the actual cheating, then that's about the worst way they could have done it.

To me, it just seems more likely they're calling it off since Ohio probably isn't going to actually matter.

Makes more sense to have the cheat built-in and carefully planned without last minute changes and then sloppily call it off than to sloppily apply the cheat at zero hour. If the cheating was going ahead, wouldn't want to appear doing anything suspect around now.

So now, it gets investigated, everything checks out and Husted and crew get to say, "see? We didn't mess with anything, you paranoid Dems. Make sure you trust us next time!"
 
2012-11-06 02:33:40 AM  

LibertyHiller: Delay: FTA: The memo claims that "its function is to aid in the reporting of results" by converting them "into a format that can be read by the Secretary of State's election night reporting system." OK, I read the contract. Basically, the Secretary of State has told the company to do whatever the SoS wants and neither the company nor the SoS will disclose the modification of the voting machines.

Company address? 11208 John Galt Boulevard. A company that picks this as their business address is attempting to make a statement.

They wanted to be around the corner from Omaha Steaks in case something falls off the truck?


No. Election Systems & Software, Inc. (ES&S 11208 John Galt Boulevard) is just the current name for Diebold's voting machine division. Diebold Same shiat different day.
 
2012-11-06 02:34:18 AM  

fusillade762: King Something: /what happened to the Smart and Funny buttons?
//is it because this thread was redlit for half a minute?

That's what happens when you install uncertified software patches.

Though this is the second thread I've seen with the buttons missing today.



It's because none of this shiat is either smart or funny.

Except me, I am dazzlingly brilliant and hysterically funny. But I have to go play video games now and kill shiat so I don't kill anyone for real tomorrow.
 
2012-11-06 02:35:05 AM  

Tamater: After reading the thread, I have to say I agree with whoever suggested that this software patch could be to remove actual cheating code prepared in advance.

The contract was made to make sure it could be done in case the election looked so hopeless they would cut their losses and call off the fix in order to not risk the fallout from the original planned fraud actually occurring. Especially since the risk wouldn't be worth it at that point.

Calling it a patch to fix whatever is a good way to cover up the called-off cheating. If this change was the actual cheating, then that's about the worst way they could have done it.

To me, it just seems more likely they're calling it off since Ohio probably isn't going to actually matter.

Makes more sense to have the cheat built-in and carefully planned without last minute changes and then sloppily call it off than to sloppily apply the cheat at zero hour. If the cheating was going ahead, wouldn't want to appear doing anything suspect around now.

So now, it gets investigated, everything checks out and Husted and crew get to say, "see? We didn't mess with anything, you paranoid Dems. Make sure you trust us next time!"


www.israellycool.com

So clearly, I cannot drink the wine in front of me.
 
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