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2012-11-05 11:42:30 PM  
Somewhere in The Simpsons' writers room:

Writer:
We should have Mr. Burns buy the voting machine company and replace the software the night before the big election for town mayor!

Matt Groening: No, that's too crazy for our audience to believe.

This is the level of our American Democracy.
 
2012-11-05 11:43:21 PM  

skullkrusher: Lenny_da_Hog: Britney Spear's Speculum: I expect many camera phone you tube videos showing people voting for Obama on a touch screen voting machine switching to romney.

I expect ammo prices to surge beginning Wednesday.

that's exactly when I expect my pumpkin futures to peak


I was early on the pumpkin farking, so I'm heading up the market. What to get in on it?
 
2012-11-05 11:47:10 PM  

tripleseven: John Husted also threw this one out there too:

"we can throw out any provisional ballots with errors on them. Of course, we'll let you fill them out yourselves, and they need to be filled out a particular way"
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/ohios-provisional - ballot-order-the-biggest-legal-story-of-the-weekend/264498/


That form is so farking simple it can only be filled out incorrectly on purpose.
 
2012-11-05 11:47:11 PM  
I have literally no idea how Americans are not screaming bloody murder about this sort of thing. A day out from the election, in a swing state, and unknown 'software patches' are being applied? What the hell?

Our most recent election here in the Australian Capital Territory (like the District of Columbia, essentially) uses both paper and electronic software. The electronic side is OPEN SOURCE so anyone can view the code and make sure it's fair and square.

HOW ARE YOU PEOPLE PUTTING UP WITH THIS?!?
 
2012-11-05 11:48:50 PM  

ComicBookGuy: Fail in Human Form: Shadow Blasko: seventypercent: Shadow Blasko: You do realize that this software was applied to the machines that count the paper ballots, right?

As long as the original paper ballots exist, they can always be counted and recounted, by hand if need be.

Yep. And thats what I think needs to happen.

Although I just read that if Ohio needs a vote audit, it will be December before we know the winner.

Wouldn't happen. The Supreme Court would just step in and decide the winner.

The GOP thinks SCOTUS would decide 5-4 in their favor, but Roberts might have some integrity.


[tinfoilhat] Roberts knew this was going to go down, so he threw POTUS a bone with the ACA so he could screw POTUS over with the bogus Ohio results in November. [/tinfoilhat]
 
2012-11-05 11:48:52 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: tripleseven: John Husted also threw this one out there too:

"we can throw out any provisional ballots with errors on them. Of course, we'll let you fill them out yourselves, and they need to be filled out a particular way"
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/ohios-provisional - ballot-order-the-biggest-legal-story-of-the-weekend/264498/

That form is so farking simple it can only be filled out incorrectly on purpose.


Even for people who don't read well or can't read English?
 
2012-11-05 11:49:06 PM  

UberDave:
First off, if someone in my office ever wrote something like this, they would be getting an ass whoopin'. And I think in the case of the voting machines, a rigorous enough QA should be able to ferret out any maliciousness hidden in the code. And if I were the person inspecting it for such, the QA process is exactly where I would start - Did they test using real-world data and did they test with a large enough sample?


I think you missed the point that the contest was to obscure the function of the code (or to provide the clue by using white space, either technique is employed). But yeah, I'd take a look at their unit tests and then the regression tests - if they can't produce any of either, insta injunction.
 
2012-11-05 11:49:30 PM  

cmdwedge: I have literally no idea how Americans are not screaming bloody murder about this sort of thing. A day out from the election, in a swing state, and unknown 'software patches' are being applied? What the hell?

Our most recent election here in the Australian Capital Territory (like the District of Columbia, essentially) uses both paper and electronic software. The electronic side is OPEN SOURCE so anyone can view the code and make sure it's fair and square.

HOW ARE YOU PEOPLE PUTTING UP WITH THIS?!?


To get to Ohio to put Husted's head on a stake, you'd either have to fly into some shiatty airports or use some shiatty interstate highways to get there.

Ah ha! Now I know why they didn't want Obama's Jobs Bill!
 
2012-11-05 11:51:39 PM  

MFAWG: mrshowrules: I'm going to say that this seems like absolutely nothing.

A) people in power don't like going to prison
B) when they do illegal shiat, they keep it low profile
3) too obvious

There's an old saying in NASCAR: If you're cheating at the front of the car, keep the officials looking at the back of it.

My guess is the fix is in, and it has nothing to do with the voting machines.


You, my frend, win a wizard hat, as that is exactly what they are doing
 
2012-11-05 11:52:39 PM  
Furthermore, why did they keep the contract a secret? Why did they wait until just before the election to have this work done? And why did they feel it was appropriate to circumvent both federal and state testing and certification programs for the software in the bargain?

These are all VERY good questions.


No, this does not mean I am charging that there is a conspiracy to rig or steal the Ohio election. While there certainly could be, if there is, I don't know about it, nor am I charging there is any such conspiracy at this time.

This caveat would be more convincing if the headline didn't read: "Is the GOP stealing Ohio?"
 
2012-11-05 11:53:37 PM  

dramboxf: Why can't someone go to the software vendor with a warrant or an injunction or a writ or whatever and say "Source code, NOW!" and check to see if this is legit?


They might give you some source code, but how do you know it is what was used in the machines?
 
2012-11-05 11:55:38 PM  

Blue_Blazer: BarkingUnicorn: tripleseven: John Husted also threw this one out there too:

"we can throw out any provisional ballots with errors on them. Of course, we'll let you fill them out yourselves, and they need to be filled out a particular way"
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/ohios-provisional - ballot-order-the-biggest-legal-story-of-the-weekend/264498/

That form is so farking simple it can only be filled out incorrectly on purpose.

Even for people who don't read well or can't read English?


Oh, yeah, you're right. In this country, we let turnips vote.
 
2012-11-05 11:56:39 PM  

cmdwedge: HOW ARE YOU PEOPLE PUTTING UP WITH THIS?!?


Honestly, because the Republican party is so deranged that we have to pick our battles with them. Suspicious activity is not enough for anyone to go after without irrefutable proof. The GOP base has been conditioned to associate any remark against them as political persecution, that are then mentally reinforced by their double standards. It's how half the country vote for a party that proudly acts against the interests of the constituency. Diebold will keep being caught with it's hand in the cookie jar. Eventually, it's going to get stuck in there and that will be an uproar.
 
2012-11-05 11:56:49 PM  

Delay: Company address? 11208 John Galt Boulevard.


Could you please point to a source on this?
 
2012-11-05 11:57:11 PM  
I hope I'm the only one, and I certainly hope I'm wrong, but I have a very foreboding feeling about tomorrow. Not in the "I'm concerned Romney may win" sense, but rather in the "I'm concerned there may be mass shootings/riots at polling place" sense. This has been a nasty campaign, that culminated four years of nasty rhetoric, and there are a lot of mentally unbalanced folks out there.
 
2012-11-05 11:58:21 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Blue_Blazer: BarkingUnicorn: tripleseven: John Husted also threw this one out there too:

"we can throw out any provisional ballots with errors on them. Of course, we'll let you fill them out yourselves, and they need to be filled out a particular way"
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/ohios-provisional - ballot-order-the-biggest-legal-story-of-the-weekend/264498/

That form is so farking simple it can only be filled out incorrectly on purpose.

Even for people who don't read well or can't read English?

Oh, yeah, you're right. In this country, we let turnips vote.


You may support literacy tests and that's like your opinion man, but you appear to agree with my assertion. So you see the problem now? Or do you support disenfranchisement?
 
2012-11-05 11:58:31 PM  

SouthParkCon: Considering the only reports of electronic voting issues are Romney votes going to Obama I am surprised anyone on the Left is saying anything. After all as a Progressive you do whatever it takes to win for the "Greater Good".


'Moral Compass' ring a bell, asshat?
 
2012-11-06 12:00:19 AM  

cmdwedge: I have literally no idea how Americans are not screaming bloody murder about this sort of thing. A day out from the election, in a swing state, and unknown 'software patches' are being applied? What the hell?

Our most recent election here in the Australian Capital Territory (like the District of Columbia, essentially) uses both paper and electronic software. The electronic side is OPEN SOURCE so anyone can view the code and make sure it's fair and square.

HOW ARE YOU PEOPLE PUTTING UP WITH THIS?!?


What do you mean, "you people?"
 
2012-11-06 12:00:32 AM  

AlwaysRightBoy: skullkrusher: Lenny_da_Hog: Britney Spear's Speculum: I expect many camera phone you tube videos showing people voting for Obama on a touch screen voting machine switching to romney.

I expect ammo prices to surge beginning Wednesday.

that's exactly when I expect my pumpkin futures to peak

I was early on the pumpkin farking, so I'm heading up the market. What to get in on it?


too late. Gotta get in around October 24th
 
2012-11-06 12:00:47 AM  

pciszek: Delay: Company address? 11208 John Galt Boulevard.

Could you please point to a source on this?


http://www.essvote.com/HTML/contact/contact.html (bottom of the page, "ES&S Corporate Headquarters")
 
2012-11-06 12:01:30 AM  

Blue_Blazer: BarkingUnicorn: Blue_Blazer: BarkingUnicorn: tripleseven: John Husted also threw this one out there too:

"we can throw out any provisional ballots with errors on them. Of course, we'll let you fill them out yourselves, and they need to be filled out a particular way"
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/ohios-provisional - ballot-order-the-biggest-legal-story-of-the-weekend/264498/

That form is so farking simple it can only be filled out incorrectly on purpose.

Even for people who don't read well or can't read English?

Oh, yeah, you're right. In this country, we let turnips vote.

You may support literacy tests and that's like your opinion man, but you appear to agree with my assertion. So you see the problem now? Or do you support disenfranchisement?


Yes, I support disenfranchisement. I just haven't figured out the qualifications for voting.
 
2012-11-06 12:01:36 AM  
If you are ondering how deep it goes, Lockheed martin won the contract to tabulate the census. And even though the NYT down played the effect redistricting was having, it turns out it is having a significant impact in keeping the majority party in a congress with a 9% approval rating in power. Also, does any body wonder shy, for the first time in history the exit poles were way off when Bush won? Proven Satistical analysis methods completely failed.. hmm. I guess it might explain why progressives for plutocrats, and cross party support for endless wars represent our current political make up. Mean while the FEC cannot bring any actions against anyone due to built in deadlock.
 
2012-11-06 12:02:19 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Forbidden Doughnut: In my State (Oregon), I fill out a paper ballot using black ink, place it in the official envelope that came with it, and then sign the back. One can drop off the ballot at designated sites or simply mail it in*. AFAIK, I haven't heard of any glaring problems with this method,

Just make sure you fill in every section. If you leave one blank, someone in the mail room will have to help you decide.


*reads article*

Fark, I forgot about that....( Hope they slap a Class C Felony on that a**wipe)
 
2012-11-06 12:02:58 AM  

that bosnian sniper: This has been a nasty campaign



The 2008 campaign was A LOT worse. To my knowledge, nobody at Romney's rallies were shouting "kill him!" and other shiat like that. There are still a lot of angry racists with guns in the GOP who could lose their shiat if it looks like Romney's getting beat tomorrow, but overall this has been a much nicer campaign than when we had McCain and Caribou Barbie attempting to finesse the rightwing extremist rage into votes.
 
2012-11-06 12:03:16 AM  

Ivo Shandor: pciszek: Delay: Company address? 11208 John Galt Boulevard.

Could you please point to a source on this?

http://www.essvote.com/HTML/contact/contact.html (bottom of the page, "ES&S Corporate Headquarters")


I'm shocked - SHOCKED - that the company formerly known as Diebold could be suspected in voter machine shenanigans in a swing state.
 
2012-11-06 12:03:30 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Blue_Blazer: BarkingUnicorn: Blue_Blazer: BarkingUnicorn: tripleseven: John Husted also threw this one out there too:

"we can throw out any provisional ballots with errors on them. Of course, we'll let you fill them out yourselves, and they need to be filled out a particular way"
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/ohios-provisional - ballot-order-the-biggest-legal-story-of-the-weekend/264498/

That form is so farking simple it can only be filled out incorrectly on purpose.

Even for people who don't read well or can't read English?

Oh, yeah, you're right. In this country, we let turnips vote.

You may support literacy tests and that's like your opinion man, but you appear to agree with my assertion. So you see the problem now? Or do you support disenfranchisement?

Yes, I support disenfranchisement. I just haven't figured out the qualifications for voting.


I find that disgusting but I respect your honesty.
 
2012-11-06 12:03:53 AM  

Blue_Blazer: cmdwedge: I have literally no idea how Americans are not screaming bloody murder about this sort of thing. A day out from the election, in a swing state, and unknown 'software patches' are being applied? What the hell?

Our most recent election here in the Australian Capital Territory (like the District of Columbia, essentially) uses both paper and electronic software. The electronic side is OPEN SOURCE so anyone can view the code and make sure it's fair and square.

HOW ARE YOU PEOPLE PUTTING UP WITH THIS?!?

What do you mean, "you people?"


Haha, as soon as I posted that, I knew someone would pick me up. No offence intended, mates!
 
2012-11-06 12:04:28 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: Ivo Shandor: Forbidden Doughnut: In my State (Oregon), I fill out a paper ballot using black ink, place it in the official envelope that came with it, and then sign the back. One can drop off the ballot at designated sites or simply mail it in*. AFAIK, I haven't heard of any glaring problems with this method,

Just make sure you fill in every section. If you leave one blank, someone in the mail room will have to help you decide.

*reads article*

Fark, I forgot about that....( Hope they slap a Class C Felony on that a**wipe)


My county. That better be what happens.

I also want that Clerk recalled. She's inept.
 
2012-11-06 12:04:50 AM  
I think it would not be out of line for us as a country to execute anyone attempting to steal a democratic election in this country. In a democracy, there really isn't much of a worse crime than subverting the democratic process.
 
2012-11-06 12:05:13 AM  

Delay: FTA: The memo claims that "its function is to aid in the reporting of results" by converting them "into a format that can be read by the Secretary of State's election night reporting system." OK, I read the contract. Basically, the Secretary of State has told the company to do whatever the SoS wants and neither the company nor the SoS will disclose the modification of the voting machines.

Company address? 11208 John Galt Boulevard. A company that picks this as their business address is attempting to make a statement.

Americans have a word for this. This is fraud.


Aw, shiat.
 
2012-11-06 12:06:17 AM  

cmdwedge: Blue_Blazer: cmdwedge: I have literally no idea how Americans are not screaming bloody murder about this sort of thing. A day out from the election, in a swing state, and unknown 'software patches' are being applied? What the hell?

Our most recent election here in the Australian Capital Territory (like the District of Columbia, essentially) uses both paper and electronic software. The electronic side is OPEN SOURCE so anyone can view the code and make sure it's fair and square.

HOW ARE YOU PEOPLE PUTTING UP WITH THIS?!?

What do you mean, "you people?"

Haha, as soon as I posted that, I knew someone would pick me up. No offence intended, mates!


Somebody had to do it, might as well be me.
 
2012-11-06 12:06:28 AM  

violentsalvation: I see the excuse / reason / blame piece is all written up. Can either party use this, depending on the outcome?


Both parties should be using it regardless of the outcome, but only one retains any remnant of faith in the right to vote. To the other the notion is quaint.
 
2012-11-06 12:06:50 AM  
That states are allowed to use closed-source proprietary electronic voting machines is a crime in itself. Maybe we do need the UN in here monitoring our elections because it seems that some states can't handle that task.
 
2012-11-06 12:06:55 AM  
A better way to rig an election is throw all the votes towards the guy you want to win. Then it not only gives you a win, but makes him look like he tried to blatently steal an election with 105% of registed voters.
 
2012-11-06 12:07:36 AM  

DamnYankees: dr_blasto: Well, and not get caught. Seems like if he had plans to steal elections, getting caught shouldn't be a part of them.

I don't even know if that's true. As long you get caught after the election and not before, you're probably ok. You think there's any chance if Romney wins the state, and then we find out later there was fraud, that will be overturned and the state will be given to Obama? No chance in hell that happens, conservatives would go INSANE.


The election should be voided and held again. And those responsible for the cheating should be going to the pokey for a few years.
 
2012-11-06 12:10:32 AM  

Delay: FTA: The memo claims that "its function is to aid in the reporting of results" by converting them "into a format that can be read by the Secretary of State's election night reporting system." OK, I read the contract. Basically, the Secretary of State has told the company to do whatever the SoS wants and neither the company nor the SoS will disclose the modification of the voting machines.

Company address? 11208 John Galt Boulevard. A company that picks this as their business address is attempting to make a statement.

Americans have a word for this. This is fraud.


Not only that, you know who owns ES&S? The McCarthy Group... Hmm... McCarthy, eh? The symbolism goes deeper and deeper. Ya know who else owns it? The Omaha World-Herald Company. Who owns The Omaha World-Herald Company? Berkshire Hathaway. who do we know from Berkshire-Hathaway? Oh, that's right. Warren Buffett.
Warren Buffett is a double secret agent for the Kochian Objectivist agenda!
 
2012-11-06 12:11:04 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Shrew2u: The TRO filed against Husted is being heard tomorrow morning, thankfully:

Link to case page at Moritz Law School (pops)

/keeping my fingers, toes, eyes, etc., crossed

Maybe we should cross dicks.


Wow.

There's not much on Fark that renders me speechless, but that brought my entire thought process to a screeching halt.
 
2012-11-06 12:12:08 AM  

skullkrusher: organizmx: Dont worry guys, I'm sure the liberal media will be ALL over this.

and if they're not it won't be because there's nothing there, it'll be a trigger for you to tighten the tinfoil.


Back off everyone. Skullcrusher KNOWS there is nothing to this.

Whew!
 
2012-11-06 12:12:51 AM  

AlwaysRightBoy: NutWrench: Screw it. Those machines have been tampered with. They should go straight to paper ballots for all the affected districts and figure out what's been done to the machines later.

Jersey went to paper a few days ago in all the affected disaster districts. The question I would have is can Ohio get the paper ballots to the polling stations in time?

I will voting on paper tomorrow.


Ohio voter here. My precinct has always had paper ballots that are machine scanned. At least there's a paper trail.
 
2012-11-06 12:13:30 AM  

Shadow Blasko: The software is on the counting machines... not the voting machines.

This means that unless the counting is done by hand... all is suspect.


I haven't been through the thread yet, but I did read the article. This is my question to Farkers more tekkie than myself:

Can't the software on the voting machines (i.e., the source file) be audited? Couldn't that data then be used to verify the data on the counting or results machines? Isn't this what forensic IT folks do?

C'mon Farkers - give me some hope.
 
2012-11-06 12:13:42 AM  
The Republicans only have to make the process look questionable. They don't have to win. They just have to be able to go to court and up to the SCOTUS. Where they'll win it all.

Remember Roberts' vote on Obamacare? Crumbs from the table before the big decision. Then after giving the election to you know who, reverse the Obamacare decision based on a new approach.
 
2012-11-06 12:14:30 AM  

MisterTweak: incendi: MisterTweak: Also, I'm guessing a large national political party can afford to do a better job hiding a backdoor than a bunch of kids having a little laugh in their spare time.

On the other hand, Republicans. Technology. These things do not get along well. A cut-rate programmer who knows his employer doesn't know how he works his magic doesn't have much motivation to be subtle about things.

Elections, especially close ones, are won by people who know the minute trivia of the rules - and it's much more efficient to get 100 votes tossed out rather than get 100 more votes - so very much so if you can pre-select which ones you want thrown out.

I am sure democrats have done it, but the GOP really is the gold standard in this category. When I understood how vote caging works, I felt as if I had shaken the hand of satan himself.


Did he thank you for playing Twisted Metal?

images.wikia.com
 
2012-11-06 12:14:32 AM  

mediablitz: skullkrusher: organizmx: Dont worry guys, I'm sure the liberal media will be ALL over this.

and if they're not it won't be because there's nothing there, it'll be a trigger for you to tighten the tinfoil.

Back off everyone. Skullcrusher KNOWS there is nothing to this.

Whew!


I know that the "liberal" media isn't ignoring it out of negligence of maliciousness. But you're right, if I were gonna rig an election, I'd have a farking contract and a paper trail chronicling my evil doing. I wouldn't try to do it on the sly. It just makes perfect sense!
 
2012-11-06 12:15:22 AM  

skullkrusher: mediablitz: skullkrusher: organizmx: Dont worry guys, I'm sure the liberal media will be ALL over this.

and if they're not it won't be because there's nothing there, it'll be a trigger for you to tighten the tinfoil.

Back off everyone. Skullcrusher KNOWS there is nothing to this.

Whew!

I know that the "liberal" media isn't ignoring it out of or negligence of maliciousness. But you're right, if I were gonna rig an election, I'd have a farking contract and a paper trail chronicling my evil doing. I wouldn't try to do it on the sly. It just makes perfect sense!

 
2012-11-06 12:17:04 AM  

skullkrusher: I know that the "liberal" media isn't ignoring it out of or negligence of maliciousness. But you're right, if I were gonna rig an election, I'd have a farking contract and a paper trail chronicling my evil doing. I wouldn't try to do it on the sly. It just makes perfect sense!


ugh, wrong "of". You get it
 
2012-11-06 12:17:40 AM  

DamnYankees: I just saw a Romney ad. That's literally the first ad I've seen all election cycle.


I'm glad you found your way off the island.
Terrible shame about Wilson though.
My condolences.
 
2012-11-06 12:17:59 AM  

Blue_Blazer: BarkingUnicorn: Blue_Blazer: BarkingUnicorn: Blue_Blazer: BarkingUnicorn: tripleseven: John Husted also threw this one out there too:

"we can throw out any provisional ballots with errors on them. Of course, we'll let you fill them out yourselves, and they need to be filled out a particular way"
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/ohios-provisional - ballot-order-the-biggest-legal-story-of-the-weekend/264498/

That form is so farking simple it can only be filled out incorrectly on purpose.

Even for people who don't read well or can't read English?

Oh, yeah, you're right. In this country, we let turnips vote.

You may support literacy tests and that's like your opinion man, but you appear to agree with my assertion. So you see the problem now? Or do you support disenfranchisement?

Yes, I support disenfranchisement. I just haven't figured out the qualifications for voting.

I find that disgusting but I respect your honesty.


In any case, the Voting Rights Act allows voters who cannot read or write to have "assistance by a person of the voter's choice..." so this simple form is still no obstacle.
 
2012-11-06 12:18:25 AM  

Pincy: That states are allowed to use closed-source proprietary electronic voting machines is a crime in itself. Maybe we do need the UN in here monitoring our elections because it seems that some states can't handle that task.


Christine Todd Whitman, talking about Florida, said we wouldn't even ALLOW shiat like that in other countries. She's monitored elections in other countries, and was shocked at Florida. This is a REPUBLICAN talking.

Can you imagine elections somewhere else where one party okays a change to the tabulation software just before the election?

But it's okay. Skullcrusher assured everyone it's just tinfoil hat nuttery to even question this. Of course, Obama isn't involved...
 
2012-11-06 12:19:15 AM  

mediablitz: But it's okay. Skullcrusher assured everyone it's just tinfoil hat nuttery to even question this. Of course, Obama isn't involved...


you're cute when yer dum
 
2012-11-06 12:20:20 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Jesus H Christ, when is this farking country going to hold a grown-up election? Can we do this shiat right just ONCE this century????

Some farking beacon of democracy we are.


This century just started. We've got DECADES to get even more f*cked up than it has been already.
 
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