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2012-11-05 11:12:22 PM
Oh...good..we already have the built in excuse. We won't go by the empirical data (the actual vote) we're gonna go by our gut feeling of what we think the evil GOP is doing.

/I'm sure none of you see the irony.
 
2012-11-05 11:12:38 PM

Dedmon: SilentStrider: A Terrible Human: SilentStrider: DamnYankees: I just saw a Romney ad. That's literally the first ad I've seen all election cycle.

Where do you live? I want to move there by the next election.

I live in southeast Ky and throughout the year I've seen maybe 3 Romney ads. The ads I see the most are the Obama ones and then ones for the state and local races. No signs or anything this year. it's weird.

I'm in PA, and there's an ad every time I turn on the tv.

Down here in New Orleans, I have yet to see a single presidential election advertisement. It's so locked for Rmoney down here that neither candidate even tries to compaign here.
New Orleans is pretty cool, but it's surrounded by southerners. :(


"They're hicks, Rita!"

//there should just be express trains between cool cities and the rest of the red countryside can f*cking rot
 
2012-11-05 11:13:18 PM
I didn't start seeing political ads until the Romney "chick watching iPad then talking to camera" ones yesterday during the NBC Sunday night football game.

Thought I had successfully avoided them
 
2012-11-05 11:13:22 PM

dr_blasto: MFAWG: mrshowrules: I'm going to say that this seems like absolutely nothing.

A) people in power don't like going to prison
B) when they do illegal shiat, they keep it low profile
3) too obvious

There's an old saying in NASCAR: If you're cheating at the front of the car, keep the officials looking at the back of it.

My guess is the fix is in, and it has nothing to do with the voting machines.

Yeah, but to be fair, they're all idiots.


That too. We've established that the post-Modern GOP isn't filled with rocket surgeons. That makes an 'Office Space' scenario seem at least as likely as successful voter fraud.

s3-ak.buzzfed.com

HOT!
 
2012-11-05 11:13:26 PM

seventypercent: At the end of the day, there is no substitute for paper.


You do realize that this software was applied to the machines that count the paper ballots, right?
 
2012-11-05 11:13:34 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: Obama can still win with Wisconsin, Iowa, Colorado, and New Hampshire, all of which are leaning his way.


He'd also need Nevada to make that work.
 
2012-11-05 11:13:37 PM
It's okay, guys! Florida just turned light blue on Nate Silver's map!

/I know, I know.
//Still, I need it to turn all the way blue to hit my 332-206 prediction!
 
2012-11-05 11:14:34 PM
Ohio voter here voting tomorrow. I was not very happy when we switched to electronic voting. Especially if A gop sos has access to modifying software. Oh, and if a candidates kid's company can "purchase" machines. Why bother voting? What farking country is this anyway? I will vote, as I always do, but I will not be surprised if Romney squeaks by in an Ohio win. And if he does, and there is proof that shiat was tampered with, I will not be surprised if absolutely nothing comes of it. Bush part 2 Iranian boogaloo
 
MFK
2012-11-05 11:14:36 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: NutWrench: Screw it. Those machines have been tampered with. They should go straight to paper ballots for all the affected districts and figure out what's been done to the machines later.

In my State (Oregon), I fill out a paper ballot using black ink, place it in the official envelope that came with it, and then sign the back. One can drop off the ballot at designated sites or simply mail it in*. AFAIK, I haven't heard of any glaring problems with this method, and other States should adopt our way of voting.

It's much easier to cast your ballot, and less creepy than "E-voting"

/ of course, other parts of the country probably don't want people to vote...


you have to actually sign your ballot? I thought they were supposed to be secret ballots?
 
2012-11-05 11:15:07 PM
You want to rig the Ohio election with voting machine software, you make the trigger configurable. You have access to tallies. You write an algo to start switching votes to the target party if the other takes too much of a lead. You pad each hour of the election with enough to give your guy the lead but few enough to appear legit but to avoid a suspicious run at the end of the polling period. Voila. Rigged election, no need to generate more votes than registered voters or any of that stuff.
You don't install an emergency patch the day before the election because you're afraid the one you wrote was too obvious.

Oh, and you demand $50,000,000 to deliver an election because you could go to jail for farking ever if caught
 
2012-11-05 11:15:13 PM

skipjack: Oh...good..we already have the built in excuse. We won't go by the empirical data (the actual vote) we're gonna go by our gut feeling of what we think the evil GOP is doing.

/I'm sure none of you see the irony.


The assholes did it to themselves.

wvir.images.worldnow.com 

But you knew that.
 
2012-11-05 11:15:19 PM

skipjack: Oh...good..we already have the built in excuse. We won't go by the empirical data (the actual vote) we're gonna go by our gut feeling of what we think the evil GOP is doing.

/I'm sure none of you see the irony.


Adding new software to voting tabulators that hasn't been approved is against the law in Ohio.
 
2012-11-05 11:15:46 PM
Tampering with voting hardware, ballots or results should be a capital offence.
 
2012-11-05 11:15:54 PM

skipjack: Oh...good..we already have the built in excuse. We won't go by the empirical data (the actual vote) we're gonna go by our gut feeling of what we think the evil GOP is doing.

/I'm sure none of you see the irony.


Pay no attention to the elephant behind the curtain!
 
2012-11-05 11:16:05 PM

MFAWG: mrshowrules: I'm going to say that this seems like absolutely nothing.

A) people in power don't like going to prison
B) when they do illegal shiat, they keep it low profile
3) too obvious

There's an old saying in NASCAR: If you're cheating at the front of the car, keep the officials looking at the back of it.

My guess is the fix is in, and it has nothing to do with the voting machines.


Good point. It might be fixed but I doubt it has anything to do with these updates.
 
2012-11-05 11:16:46 PM

dramboxf: Why can't someone go to the software vendor with a warrant or an injunction or a writ or whatever and say "Source code, NOW!" and check to see if this is legit?


Why do you hate the free market?
 
2012-11-05 11:17:18 PM

RedEyedWings: I'm obviously horrified as many would be by this prospect, but this just seems almost *too* shifty for an attempt at real election fraud. You think it would be done much more subtly and secretively.

Also, the guy who runs the secret service, FBI, CIA and NSC has a vested interest in sniffing out any conspiracy...and one imagines they someone would have caught wind of something.

Still I, like most Canadians, won't sleep easily until you guys get the hell out and vote and re-elect your sane, conservative, (yep) black president.


The current crop of GOP policymakers have been pushing a scorch and burn, any means necessary to take down Obama strategy from day 1 of his presidency. People like Glenn Beck and Limbaugh telling the GOP that burning America to the ground and destroying our economy is worth it to hurt Obama.

And the GOP in Ohio is, well, a disgustingly corrupt good ol boy system basically imported from the deep inbred south.
 
2012-11-05 11:17:22 PM

Shadow Blasko: You do realize that this software was applied to the machines that count the paper ballots, right?


As long as the original paper ballots exist, they can always be counted and recounted, by hand if need be.
 
2012-11-05 11:17:56 PM
i159.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-05 11:18:32 PM
They're going for it.
 
2012-11-05 11:19:01 PM

seventypercent: Shadow Blasko: You do realize that this software was applied to the machines that count the paper ballots, right?

As long as the original paper ballots exist, they can always be counted and recounted, by hand if need be.


Yep. And thats what I think needs to happen.

Although I just read that if Ohio needs a vote audit, it will be December before we know the winner.
 
2012-11-05 11:19:48 PM
I am normally in the "never attribute to conspiracy what can be attributed to incompetency" mode, but in this case:

1) There have been voter frauds on the local level in various states in the past 10 years. Every single time, the Republican was the beneficiary of the oddity or anomaly.

2) In Ohio in 2012 there are laws that say to never patch voting machines within certain days of an election.

3) The secretary of state circumvented those laws

4) In order to apply what has been described as a benign patch, that none the less there was not a simple rational PR statement made about, until days later, and after the story changed once.

Motive and opportunity appear to be present. Somebody should be getting a judge to sign off on subpoena of whatever they can.

I'm still questioning why elections do not have a built-in paper trail. As boasted about earlier, Washington State flirted briefly with the Diebold method in 2000, before howling citizen protest from all sides brought transparency following the close and contested 2004 governors' election.

Key difference: Here, the Republican was the one that was the aggrieved party.

So thats what it probably takes -- a Republican being cheated (or having the appearances of being cheated) ... then watch as these roadblocks to transparency in the process come flying down.
 
2012-11-05 11:19:53 PM

Lionel Mandrake: [i159.photobucket.com image 401x271]


Jesus H. Was Kathleen Harris rotoscoped for that photo? A Thief Darkly.
 
2012-11-05 11:20:40 PM

seventypercent: Ivo Shandor: Yup. Obviously a real-world cheat would have to be more sophisticated because a 100% vote would stand out quite clearly, but maybe if it was only happening on one machine out of 10 at each polling location and people only got to see the overall counts...

When it comes to electronic voting, it's honest-to-God accidental bugs that worry me the most. I know that conspiracy theories are popular, especially around elections, and there's a certain sinister allure to the idea of a mustache-twisting, Persian-catted Diebold executive manipulating election results behind the scenes. I just don't think that's terribly likely -- it would only take one whistleblower to bring the whole thing down, and that would result in the end of the company and long prison sentences for those involved (even if such justice had to wait for a few years until the beneficiaries of said shenanigans were out of office.)

At the end of the day, there is no substitute for paper.


That whistleblower would be suicided within 24 hours, the company wouldn't lose a dime and those involved would not get so much as a stern talking-to.

/what happened to the Smart and Funny buttons?
//is it because this thread was redlit for half a minute?
 
2012-11-05 11:21:45 PM

qorkfiend: Generation_D: What I can't get my mind around is how this is possible without oversight.

Because the guy in charge of oversight is the guy who ordered this done.


Citizen oversight. Get out there and scream. By the thousands.

Are Ohio Democrats incapable of a mass protest any more? Don't you have internet forums where people do nothing all day but dream them up?

Sorry, if you are being systemically cheated and do nothing then really part of this is on you. While it would be nice to assume your elected officials remain honest, sometimes you are faced with overwhelming evidence they aren't. And if thats the case and you do nothing, you failed.
 
2012-11-05 11:22:40 PM

Shadow Blasko: seventypercent: Shadow Blasko: You do realize that this software was applied to the machines that count the paper ballots, right?

As long as the original paper ballots exist, they can always be counted and recounted, by hand if need be.

Yep. And thats what I think needs to happen.

Although I just read that if Ohio needs a vote audit, it will be December before we know the winner.


Better late than wrong
 
2012-11-05 11:22:40 PM
Considering the only reports of electronic voting issues are Romney votes going to Obama I am surprised anyone on the Left is saying anything. After all as a Progressive you do whatever it takes to win for the "Greater Good".
 
2012-11-05 11:22:59 PM
TMLO for pres.
 
2012-11-05 11:23:26 PM

coeyagi: Lionel Mandrake: [i159.photobucket.com image 401x271]

Jesus H. Was Kathleen Harris rotoscoped for that photo? A Thief Darkly.


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2012-11-05 11:24:40 PM

seventypercent: it would only take one whistleblower to bring the whole thing down,


His name was Michael Connell. Was.
 
2012-11-05 11:26:09 PM

SouthParkCon: Considering the only reports of electronic voting issues are Romney votes going to Obama I am surprised anyone on the Left is saying anything. After all as a Progressive you do whatever it takes to win for the "Greater Good".


1/1000. You could have used more Fox News talking points, Mike Turzai, ACORN, Breitbart.

Put your f*cking back into it.
 
2012-11-05 11:26:55 PM
Can we all agree Republicans are evil, now?
 
2012-11-05 11:27:03 PM

coeyagi: SouthParkCon: Considering the only reports of electronic voting issues are Romney votes going to Obama I am surprised anyone on the Left is saying anything. After all as a Progressive you do whatever it takes to win for the "Greater Good".

1/1000. You could have used more Fox News talking points, Mike Turzai, ACORN, Breitbart.

Put your f*cking back into it.


when he's right he's right
 
2012-11-05 11:29:02 PM

skullkrusher: coeyagi: SouthParkCon: Considering the only reports of electronic voting issues are Romney votes going to Obama I am surprised anyone on the Left is saying anything. After all as a Progressive you do whatever it takes to win for the "Greater Good".

1/1000. You could have used more Fox News talking points, Mike Turzai, ACORN, Breitbart.

Put your f*cking back into it.

when he's right he's right


Yes, yes, but it sure was a balanced post with shredded registration forms and voter suppression laws, wasn't it?

"Greater Good!" I should have given him more points for that.
 
2012-11-05 11:29:02 PM

Shadow Blasko: seventypercent: Shadow Blasko: You do realize that this software was applied to the machines that count the paper ballots, right?

As long as the original paper ballots exist, they can always be counted and recounted, by hand if need be.

Yep. And thats what I think needs to happen.

Although I just read that if Ohio needs a vote audit, it will be December before we know the winner.


Wouldn't happen. The Supreme Court would just step in and decide the winner.
 
2012-11-05 11:30:14 PM

coeyagi: skullkrusher: coeyagi: SouthParkCon: Considering the only reports of electronic voting issues are Romney votes going to Obama I am surprised anyone on the Left is saying anything. After all as a Progressive you do whatever it takes to win for the "Greater Good".

1/1000. You could have used more Fox News talking points, Mike Turzai, ACORN, Breitbart.

Put your f*cking back into it.

when he's right he's right

Yes, yes, but it sure was a balanced post with shredded registration forms and voter suppression laws, wasn't it?

"Greater Good!" I should have given him more points for that.


Nothing old fashioned like that in that thar post
 
2012-11-05 11:30:14 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: I expect many camera phone you tube videos showing people voting for Obama on a touch screen voting machine switching to romney.


I expect ammo prices to surge beginning Wednesday.
 
2012-11-05 11:31:22 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Britney Spear's Speculum: I expect many camera phone you tube videos showing people voting for Obama on a touch screen voting machine switching to romney.

I expect ammo prices to surge beginning Wednesday.


that's exactly when I expect my pumpkin futures to peak
 
2012-11-05 11:31:29 PM

coeyagi: SouthParkCon: Considering the only reports of electronic voting issues are Romney votes going to Obama I am surprised anyone on the Left is saying anything. After all as a Progressive you do whatever it takes to win for the "Greater Good".

1/1000. You could have used more Fox News talking points, Mike Turzai, ACORN, Breitbart.

Put your f*cking back into it.


He put about as much effort into that as Romney does when he pretends to have human empathy.

Needs to get him one of Commander Data's emotion chips implanted before the next election.
 
2012-11-05 11:31:40 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Britney Spear's Speculum: I expect many camera phone you tube videos showing people voting for Obama on a touch screen voting machine switching to romney.

I expect ammo prices to surge beginning Wednesday.


Proof that the country should have elected Romney! RISING PRICES FOR WINCHESTER AMMO! RISING PRICES FOR SKOAL!
 
2012-11-05 11:32:23 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Britney Spear's Speculum: I expect many camera phone you tube videos showing people voting for Obama on a touch screen voting machine switching to romney.

I expect ammo prices to surge beginning Wednesday.


Welcome to four years ago. At this rate ammo is going to rival gold as a commodity.
 
2012-11-05 11:34:15 PM

cretinbob: ww2.hdnux.com


what is this i dont even
 
2012-11-05 11:34:52 PM

SouthParkCon: Considering the only reports of electronic voting issues are Romney votes going to Obama I am surprised anyone on the Left is saying anything. After all as a Progressive you do whatever it takes to win for the "Greater Good".


The difference being that Obama voters are still complaining about fraud, EVEN IF IT BENEFITS THEM.

Republicans, if they aren't outright perpetrating the fraud, tend to try and deflect, or sweep it under the rug if it benefits them.
 
2012-11-05 11:34:52 PM

skipjack: Oh...good..we already have the built in excuse. We won't go by the empirical data (the actual vote) we're gonna go by our gut feeling of what we think the evil GOP is doing.

/I'm sure none of you see the irony.


You mean the irony that no one will know what the "actual vote" really is?
 
2012-11-05 11:34:53 PM

Fail in Human Form: Lenny_da_Hog: Britney Spear's Speculum: I expect many camera phone you tube videos showing people voting for Obama on a touch screen voting machine switching to romney.

I expect ammo prices to surge beginning Wednesday.

Welcome to four years ago. At this rate ammo is going to rival gold as a commodity.


Items Whose Prices Expected to Rise on Nov. 7, 2012, as divined by Hon. Nathan Artemis Joel Silver, Esq.:

-Ammo
-Confederate Flags
-White Linen
-2x4s
-Lighter Fluid
-Lighters
-Sisal Rope
 
2012-11-05 11:34:54 PM
Voting software should be uniform across the country and should be required to be open source with code posted at the FEC website. Any change should require certification by a consortium of experts in academia and the private sector.

Elections are too important to be left to partisan elected officials.
 
2012-11-05 11:38:46 PM

Stile4aly: Voting software should be uniform across the country and should be required to be open source with code posted at the FEC website. Any change should require certification by a consortium of experts in academia and the private sector.

Elections are too important to be left to partisan elected officials.


There should be no voting systems without physical accounting records.

Fill in form. Scan form. Keep form for accountability.
 
2012-11-05 11:38:59 PM
I love voting. It's like the Fourth of July Olympics. I take a nice walk to my polling place, enjoy the people watching, and wear my "I voted" sticker all day. It's one of the few things that I openly nerd-out over.
 
2012-11-05 11:39:13 PM
Fail in Human Form: Shadow Blasko: seventypercent: Shadow Blasko: You do realize that this software was applied to the machines that count the paper ballots, right?

As long as the original paper ballots exist, they can always be counted and recounted, by hand if need be.

Yep. And thats what I think needs to happen.

Although I just read that if Ohio needs a vote audit, it will be December before we know the winner.

Wouldn't happen. The Supreme Court would just step in and decide the winner.


The GOP thinks SCOTUS would decide 5-4 in their favor, but Roberts might have some integrity.
 
2012-11-05 11:40:58 PM

johnnyrocket: Can we all agree Republicans are evil, now?


well...it's more of an 'all poodles are dogs/not all dogs are poodles' kind of situation. but there do seem to be quite a lot of amoral sons of biatches in the Republican party these days.
 
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